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Nambo
02-02-2007, 07:56 AM
So, reading that both Hitler and Mark have thier philisopical roots in Hegel, and that the end result of both Idioligies would be a totalitarion rule by the elite, got me thinking of a possible explaination for Daniels image of the final Government being a mixture of Iron and Clay.

So both the clay of communisim/socialism, and the Iron of Facism looked towards the end result of a One World Order, maybe rival Illuminati seeking to arrive at the same mutual goal via differant means.

What of today though?
Though still in effect in China, communism seems to have gone from the East, or has it just gone by name only?, are those Markist ideals still heald dear by the Russian Elite?
Facism however seems to be making a real comeback in the West however, is it just coincidence that Bushes grandfather financed Hitler and George W likes to surround himslf with Facsist symbolisim such as the axe in the wheat fachi.
Allthough Bush likes to call his world dictatorship democracy, I cannot see how it differs from Hitlers plans, allthough Hitler was more honest about it.
As for Blairs new Britain, with its miriad of CTTV cameras and destruction of freedom of speach.

What Iam getting at though is, when the New World Order arrives, the final kingdom of Mankind, the feet of Daniels image, what will it compose of?, will it not be a joining of the differant and opposing ideoligies of the Facist Iron West with the Clay of Eastern socialism in order to bring about the common goal of the New World Order under the United Nations?

watchman
02-02-2007, 11:56 AM
Communism and facism are both products of imperialism and have been used by the oligarchy to oppose the American system of economy. The iron represents the imperial form of government, in all its guises. The clay more accurately represents the republican, democratic form of government.

Jeshurun
02-02-2007, 01:48 PM
From what I've read about Putin's plans, it's the same old Soviet regime. On one hand it seems they might work together with the West to bring global tyranny, but on the other hand, their ideologies are still very much conflicting, and it seems that those of the Illuminati planning their New World Order will encounter serious conflicts that they didn't foresee. Also Communist China, the Li family is one of the 13 Illuminati families, but are their goals more in line with the Soviets? I would think so. I don't think they plan on giving all their dominion to the West, according to their past track record. It all seems to be building toward lots of violence and bloodshed.

watchman
02-02-2007, 08:43 PM
From what I've read about Putin's plans, it's the same old Soviet regime.[/b]

That's what the mainstream press says. In reality Putin is a nationalist. He is trying to save his nation from the oligarchs. After the fall of the Soviet Union the Western banks and multinationals looted Russia, nearly causing the break-up of the entire nation. Putin reversed that and has reclaimed Russia's vast natural resources for Russia. Naturally the Western oil companies and banks hate the power of the nation-state to act against their private interests. That's why the West demonizes Putin as reverting to Communism.

Berean
02-02-2007, 09:11 PM
If Putin isn't a communist (which he probably isn't), at least he's a fascist. No freedom of press, no freedom of religion, and very agressive foreign policy.

Sketch
02-02-2007, 09:20 PM
No freedom of press, no freedom of religion, and very agressive foreign policy.[/b]

Don't look now, but you've just described the evil slave.... who, funny enough, say that they TOO are trying to protect their people from the oligarchs....

Good becomes bad, bad becomes good, cats and dogs living together, TOTAL CHAOS!!!!

Jeshurun
02-02-2007, 10:05 PM
I keep forgetting that the oligarchs basically pull ALL the strings. I can't wait until they get a load of Jehovah's power.

Nambo
02-03-2007, 07:43 AM
Communism and facism are both products of imperialism and have been used by the oligarchy to oppose the American system of economy. The iron represents the imperial form of government, in all its guises. The clay more accurately represents the republican, democratic form of government.[/b]

The Elite not mixing with the common people, yes, this does make more sence Watchman especaily if you take the view that the Elite/New World Order encompases a religious aspect that is the final form of Babylon the Great against who, at the end, the Wild Beast turns against, indicating that just like the Iron and Clay, traditional Human government and the satanic dictatorship of the Elite will not mix.