Non Government Organization

[biblereader]

The WT was reconized by the UN as a NGO (non government organization) in 1991, at that time there was no swearing of allegance or promise of supporting the UN required to be reconized as a DIP NGO which is what the classifacation that the WT joined as, another kind of NGO a ECOSOC did have to promise to support the UN, which the WT was not but a DIP.

This membership as a DIP NGO allowed acsess to a huge libary for researching.

In 2000/2001 a new form was made which required that a DIP NGO whould promise to support the UN at that time the WT withdrew as a NGO.

The WT is still a non government organization, as it is politically neutral and no earthly government has any controll on it, it just no longer is recognized by the UN due to there polocy change requiring that all NGO's now support the UN, which is why the WT quit as a UN recgonized NGO.

I dont know if this link has been poster here yet, but it has some excellent information.

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/

Later Bruce

[watchman]

Let me be blunt: The guy who calls himself thirdwitness is a liar. (his real name is Weldon, a long-time inactive JW from the Panhandle of Texas)

First, no one has ever said the WT was made to swear allegiance to the UN. However, associate level NGO's have ALWAYS been required to use a portion of their resources to promote the UN. The DPI web site says so in black and white. The purpose of the UN inlisting NGOs in the first place has always been to use them to promote the UN's agenda. That is the ONLY reason the UN would accept an NGO applicant -- if they met the criteria laid out by the DPI.

Secondly, it was not necessary for the WT to become an associate NGO to use the library -- at least not before 9-11-2001. Thirdwitness and the WT are knowingly lying.

Third, the WT regularly updated the UN as to its special fields of interests. For example, the WT claimed to have a special interest in the field of human rights, and so in 1998 (I believe) the DPI listed the WT as an NGO in that field, which indicates that there was an annual accredidation form.

watchman

[Sketch]

http://boingboing.net/images/294168009_b25decaddf.jpg

[Jinnvisible]

First, no one has ever said the WT was made to swear allegiance to the UN. However, associate level NGO's have ALWAYS been required to use a portion of their resources to promote the UN. The DPI web site says so in black and white. The purpose of the UN inlisting NGOs in the first place has always been to use them to promote the UN's agenda.[/b]

I`m feeling this watchman.

Judas didn`t actually have to sign a piece of paper with the Romans did he ? It comes off like an attempt to bury the issue in burocracy.

The Watchtower society shares distinct dynamics with the Golden Calf idol. It is hard to accept yet it isnt the first time an instrument of God`s become an idol.

Biblereader, it is an unfortunate situation. I commiserate with you, I wish it had never happened.

Moses led Israelites and a vast mixed company out of Egypt and bondage with Jehoavh`s power. (The book of Numbers)

Now Jesus has a vast company of followers drawn out of the nations with Jehovah`s spirit. (John 6:44)

Moses returned from the lofty heights of the mountain to inspect the people finding a portion unfaithful and due a cutting off. (Exodus 32:7-8 )

Jesus prophesied that upon his return to inspect his household from the lofty heights, he also would find unfaithful leaders amongst his people. These ones also due a cutting off. (Matthew 24:48-51)

Finally, it was concern about Moses`s delaying in the mountain that began the Idolatry which caused offence. (Exodus 32:1)

Jesus also warns of unfaithfulness due to his `so called` delaying from the heights. (Mathew 24:48 )

Do we pour scorn and beat down fellow slaves because we can see how few hours are conducted in the ministry ? Holding one mans conscience over anothers ?

The golden calf was a god formed from the old system (Egyptian god). Have we formed a new Idol with golden truths brought along from Christendom ?

We are now a people figuratively waiting at the foot of the mountain for our Prophet king to return with new scrolls to lead us into a Promised land without cutting off.

Idolatry due to the Master`s apparent delaying ?

[Peter]

"Everyone who repents and leave Christendom (God's apostacized people) is compensated for the years they had no spritual food. Now they have food in abundance. The Northerner(UN or nations) will not destroy you as you will not be a part of Christendom. You have spiritual truths that help you to be obedient and avoid destruction. From you he will be driven away"

[watchman]

By the way, I have condensed the material in Strange Bedfellows (http://e-watchman.com/essays/watchtower-united-nations-strange-bedfellows.html)down so that it will fit into Lulu's 16 page brochure format. I also dropped the "bedfellows" theme so as to not unnecessarily offend JWs. So, hopefully in short order an attractive brochure will be available to hand to friends at the kingdom hall to inform them of the WT's treachery in this matter.

Even though it has been 7 years since the WT dropped its association with the DPI the issue is far from over. Jehovah has yet to speak on the matter and we may be sure that he will not be fooled by the WT's slick spokesmen or petty flim-flam men like Thirdwitness.

watchman

[Robin]

Is Third Witness hired by the WT or is he just doing the WT apologist thing on his own? He keeps posting his WT fluff pieces all over the internet.

Robin

[watchman]

Is Third Witness hired by the WT or is he just doing the WT apologist thing on his own? He keeps posting his WT fluff pieces all over the internet.

Robin[/b]

I am sure they are horrified by him.

[Reader]

The problem with many JW's is that they have never been taught how to understand a cohesive argument. Hence some slickster like Thirdwitness can grossly manipulate facts, bend truths, misrepresent other people's views, and focus on irrelevant trivialities to distract the issue, and as long as it agrees with the JW's point of view, they gobble it up like a once weekly ice cream ration at a fat camp.

Simple fact: there is a UN satellite library at Columbia University, as well as other locations around the world. For that information there was never any need to step foot on UN property.

What was their part of the agreement. To educate people about the UN. Ever heard of WHO? UNESCO? How about the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Human Rights? From where?

Conversely, ever heard of Doctors Without Borders? Habitat for Humanity? Feed the Children? Not from the WT.

Is it wrong to learn about these things? Absolutely not! It is wrong to secretly make an agreement to support the UN in a magazine that is dedicated to Jehovah, then obfuscate the truth about it when you are exposed by a newspaper? You tell me. How about letting hundreds, if not thousands, of Jesus' sheep be stumbled for 7 years and ongoing, without publishing an apology. "We're sorry, we meant well, but we made a mistake."

That's OK. I can't think of any scripture that talks about how much Jesus values his sheep. I'm sure he won't mind.

Reader

[watchman]

I appreciate your comments Reader.

Let me add, again, I have never read more than a few snippets from Thirdwitness's "jehovah'sjudgment," whatever, for the simple reason that I knew whatever thirdwitness had to say it would be proverbial male bovine manure. But since the link was posted here I read part of one page. The page I read is Did We agree to praise the UN? (http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/agree_to_praise_the_UN.html)

Like Reader pointed out, Thirdwitness is a master at manipulating facts, bending the truth, obfuscation and focusing on irrelevant trivialities. But if you have the stomach to read what this huckster has written then click on the link I provided. Please take note of the fact that 3rd-wit acknowledges that the DPI requires applying NGO's to submit samples of their work that demonstrate their committment to the work of the UN.
Now, stop right there. Don't read another word and ask yourself this: Why would the WT submit ANYTHING to the UN for their approval? Third Witness has no answer. He treats it as though it is irrelevant. He tries to divert the reader into a ridiculous tail-chasing excercise of whether the WT signed anything, as if that would mitigate the fact that the WT sought to give the DPI reviewers the impression that JW's shared the UN's ideals.

Also consider, what might the WT have submitted to the UN that would have won their approval? Is it possible that Ciro Aulicio took a folder over to the East River tower containing six samples of articles and pictures showing the UN as a scarlet colored wild beast? That's not likely. They obviously submitted articles, as I have pointed out in the Strange Bedfellows piece, that were specifically, adroitly, written to appear one way to the uninitiated and another way to unsuspecting JW's.

Essentially, the WT and weasels like thirdwitness want you to believe that the UN is lying. Notice how thirdwitness manipulates the truth as much by what he omits as by what he writes. For example, in the wake of the WT's exposure the UN issued an official statement saying very simply that the WT "agreed to meet the criteria." The letter is on the UN's DPI website (http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/ngo-docs.asp). (click on bottom link) The question is, why didn't thirdwitness post a link to it? Obviously, he wants to withhold information that might cause a person to think differently. That's why I say thirdwitness is a weasel.

Watchman

[watchman]

Here, anyone interested in some more male bovine manure from this thirdwitness weasel? I suppose if someone could find a way to convert Al's website in some sort of compost converter it would make for some great organic fertilizer. click on the link provided above and scroll down to the "summary" section: Thirdwitness states: "NGOs are just any organization that is not part of a government. NGOs are not just organizations linked to the UN. There are millions of NGOs. Thus, the Watchtower Society has always been an NGO, it is now, and always will be. "

This is a true statement. There are millions of non-governmental organizations in the world. The Watchtower is a non-governmental organization, true enough. BUT, there are only about 1,500 NGOs that are associated with the United Nations and for 10 years the Watchtower was one of them.

Watchman

[Peter]

Here’s another Thirdwitness apology

3rdwitness - Where Does Settlement Money Come From?

Where does this settlement money come from? Isn't it true that some of the money donated by the brothers and sisters for the worldwide work is being used for paying legal expenses? And since this is the case, is this not a misuse of funds and perhaps even a breach of trust?

Well truth be known, settlement money does not come from donations made to the worldwide work. Such donations are strictly used for the furtherance of the good news of the Kingdom. Since the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is a huge corportation, overseeing thousands of Kingdom Halls and other assets, they must quite naturally purchase insurance as any corporation must do. Thus the Watchtower Society has created a fund just for that purpose called the Kingdom Hall Assistance Arrangement. Money is donated specifically to that account by the congregations.

For example, in the United States an average of less than 40 cents per publisher is donated each month to that insurance fund. When claims of negligence for any reason are made against the Watchtower Society, congregations, or elders and ministerial servants performing assigned duties for the congregations or Watchtower Society and/or settlements are reached to curtail expenses, their insurance pays. Of course, there may be a deductible to pay in which case the Watchtower Society would pay that out of the excess funds in the Kingdom Hall Assistance Arrangement account.

To those who object to the Watchtower Society using donated funds to defend themselves, what is the alternative? Open up the bank accounts to one and all who have a dispute or who claim abuse? Is that being responsible with donations?

[watchman]

Oh, that is a good one. So, Thirdwitness would have us believe that all the loyal JW's who drop their 40 cents into the box every month for the "insurance fund" are aware that the WT has denied in court that elders have any moral obligation to protect children from sexual predators in the congregation. Thirdwitness would have the gullible believe that it is not immoral to pay out-of-court settlements with gag-orders attached for the specific purpose of legally silenceing abuse victims. Is it less immoral if the hush money comes from an insurance company, than directly from the WT?

Watchman

[Sketch]

Oh, that is a good one. So, Thirdwitness would have us believe....[/b]

One thing I think we're getting away from is the message. 3rdwitness is only espousing the same cock and bull that the WTS espouses. The WTS is defenseless against the stated facts, and when that hapens, the WTS attacks the SOURCE of the information, which is what seems to be happening here.... Don't attack the source. 3rdwitness is only a WTS puppet. you're wasting your time and energy and he is no doubt enjoying every second of "screen-time" he gets from you all... as aggrevating as it may be, its best to ignore him...

/it will never heal until you stop scratching it...

[Peter]

<div class='quotemain'>Oh, that is a good one. So, Thirdwitness would have us believe....[/b]

One thing I think we&#39;re getting away from is the message. 3rdwitness is only espousing the same cock and bull that the WTS espouses. The WTS is defenseless against the stated facts, and when that hapens, the WTS attacks the SOURCE of the information, which is what seems to be happening here.... Don&#39;t attack the source. 3rdwitness is only a WTS puppet. you&#39;re wasting your time and energy and he is no doubt enjoying every second of "screen-time" he gets from you all... as aggrevating as it may be, its best to ignore him...

/it will never heal until you stop scratching it...
[/b][/quote]

There are times sketch when we all need a good scratch and a rant or two.

:Crash: :ranting2: :38786-6:

[watchman]

<div class='quotemain'>Oh, that is a good one. So, Thirdwitness would have us believe....[/b]

One thing I think we&#39;re getting away from is the message. 3rdwitness is only espousing the same cock and bull that the WTS espouses. The WTS is defenseless against the stated facts, and when that hapens, the WTS attacks the SOURCE of the information, which is what seems to be happening here.... Don&#39;t attack the source. 3rdwitness is only a WTS puppet. you&#39;re wasting your time and energy and he is no doubt enjoying every second of "screen-time" he gets from you all... as aggrevating as it may be, its best to ignore him...

/it will never heal until you stop scratching it...
[/b][/quote]

I do ignore thirdwitness and Al. But, given the fact that there is a specific website devoted to "exposing" me, a site which biblereader has here called attention to, it seems appropriate for me to comment on "the source of the information."

watchman

[Jinnvisible]

<div align="left">[/b]Matthew 24:10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another</div>

[biblereader]

Was it right or wrong for the WT to be an NGO?

If they had to support it in any way, yes.

But it does appear that in 1991 no such support was required or even hinted at.

And when it became a requirement or when the WT became aware of it being a requirement, they promptly withdrew as an NGO.

Growth of the OR continued in the 1990&#39;s so it did not hinder Jehovah&#39;s sprirt on His people.

1990 3.6 million pubs.
1994 4.2
1997 4.95
2000 5.5
2004 6.04
2007 6.9

Nice steady growth, and think ---- this growth has been continuing despite many negitive factors ---- those that get df-ed, and those who dissassociate themselfs, there are those that just stop coming not df-ed or di-as, also many die, in the last 5 years we have had 6 die in our little congregation of 30 publishers.

I shall continue to wait on my God.

Later Bruce

[Candace]

Was it right or wrong for the WT to be an NGO?

If they had to support it in any way, yes.

But it does appear that in 1991 no such support was required or even hinted at.

And when it became a requirement or when the WT became aware of it being a requirement, they promptly withdrew as an NGO.

Growth of the OR continued in the 1990&#39;s so it did not hinder Jehovah&#39;s sprirt on His people.

1990 3.6 million pubs.
1994 4.2
1997 4.95
2000 5.5
2004 6.04
2007 6.9

Nice steady growth, and think ---- this growth has been continuing despite many negitive factors ---- those that get df-ed, and those who dissassociate themselfs, there are those that just stop coming not df-ed or di-as, also many die, in the last 5 years we have had 6 die in our little congregation of 30 publishers.

I shall continue to wait on my God.

Later Bruce[/b]

Excerpt from http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf :

Please be informed that it is the policy of the Department of Public Information of the United Nations to keep correspondence between the United Nations and NGOs associated with DPI confidential. However, please see below the paragraph included in all letters sent to NGOs approved for association in 1992: (emphasis added)

“The principal purpose of association of non-governmental organizations with the United Nations Department of Public Information is the redissemination of information in order to increase public understanding of the principles, activities and achievements of the United Nations and its Agencies. Consequently, it is important that you should keep us informed about your organization&#39;s information programme as it relates to the United Nations, including sending us issues of your relevant publications. We are enclosing a brochure on the “The United Nations and Non-Governmental Organizations”, which will give you some information regarding the NGO relationship.”

In addition, the criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI include the following:

• that the NGO share the principles of the UN Charter;

• operate solely on a not-for-profit basis;

• have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;

• have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins and pamphlets, organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting the cooperation of the media.

End of excerpt.

Additionally, the statistics you quote are rather meaningless considering that accounting procedures have been revised over the years, such as allowing publishers to turn in as little as 15 min. in order to be counted as a regular publisher, instead of the previous threshold of 60 min. per month. Another change is that the statistics of irregular publishers are counted differently, instead of using fractions of 12, the numbers are rounded up to a whole figure.

Add to that the number of bogus time slips that are turned in. One brother found out that his old congregation&#39;s secretary was turning in 10 hours a month for him and his wife. For the brother that represented 240 fraudulently reported hours, for the sister about 60 fraudulently reported hours. Did this secretary take it upon himself to turn in the fraudulent time slips, or did he receive direction from someone in a position of authority above him? Is this an isolated incident?

[Jinnvisible]

Was it right or wrong for the WT to be an NGO?[/b]
This is what happens when scriptural phrases such as `Wait on Jehovah` are used like media buzz words. They lose their spiritual meaning at the expense of something only alluded to, in this case faithfulness.</span>

[watchman]

Here is a link to a website of an organization that has been an NGO associated with the UN for 50 years. http://www.wnba-books.org/unngo/

[Peter]

Was it right or wrong for the WT to be an NGO?

If they had to support it in any way, yes.

But it does appear that in 1991 no such support was required or even hinted at.

And when it became a requirement or when the WT became aware of it being a requirement, they promptly withdrew as an NGO.

Growth of the OR continued in the 1990&#39;s so it did not hinder Jehovah&#39;s sprirt on His people.

1990 3.6 million pubs.
1994 4.2
1997 4.95
2000 5.5
2004 6.04
2007 6.9

Nice steady growth, and think ---- this growth has been continuing despite many negitive factors ---- those that get df-ed, and those who dissassociate themselfs, there are those that just stop coming not df-ed or di-as, also many die, in the last 5 years we have had 6 die in our little congregation of 30 publishers.

I shall continue to wait on my God.

Later Bruce[/b]

Biblereader I think that we could discus this until we are blue in the face, the fact of the matter is tied up in the 2004 UN letter.

Think about the reproach this has brought on Jehovah’s name not to mention how many have been stumbled within the organization; apostates have and still are having a field day with it.

Really for the sake of Jehovah’s name and those stumble why don’t the society make the original paperwork available to shut the mouths of it critics?

As for growth in the 90s how many of those who were baptized brought up as witnesses, and how many came from the ministry?

[Deborah]

Dear Bruce,

Your doing it again and you don&#39;t even know it. Look at the growth! See how wonderful the WT is?

What percentage of JW&#39;s say this: Stay close to the organization for our protection. If we follow what the society says, we&#39;ll be safe. The WT is looking out for us, stay close and pay attention. The WT has new light for us, isn&#39;t it wonderful?

Think about it. Most JW&#39;s think that the society is taking care of their salvation. This is so incredulous that I haven&#39;t words to describe how WRONG this is.

Other religions have GREATER growth than the WTBTS numbers. But, the society says NOT to look at those, right? Why? Because the WTBTS will look like itty, bitty ants in comparison. But, "don&#39;t worry" says the society. Only a "small number" will make it anyways (Like they can determine it. The bible says a great crowd that noone is able to number. So it&#39;s definitely bigger than WTBTS.)

Do you know what distresses me more? The fact that we have to repeatedly clarify the obvious. It really DOESN&#39;T make any of us feel better. WE ALL just want to get through the hour of test without the mark of the beast and help everyone else that we can.

Bruce, when you can worship without any form of medium, you will finally be worshiping in "spirit and truth".

This is probably too much for you. Any common sense that seeps in with be squashed by your WTBTS training. Hey, you didn&#39;t really want to think for yourself, anyways, DID YOU?

With Christian Love, Deborah


Was it right or wrong for the WT to be an NGO?

If they had to support it in any way, yes.

But it does appear that in 1991 no such support was required or even hinted at.

And when it became a requirement or when the WT became aware of it being a requirement, they promptly withdrew as an NGO.

Growth of the OR continued in the 1990&#39;s so it did not hinder Jehovah&#39;s sprirt on His people.

1990 3.6 million pubs.
1994 4.2
1997 4.95
2000 5.5
2004 6.04
2007 6.9

Nice steady growth, and think ---- this growth has been continuing despite many negitive factors ---- those that get df-ed, and those who dissassociate themselfs, there are those that just stop coming not df-ed or di-as, also many die, in the last 5 years we have had 6 die in our little congregation of 30 publishers.

I shall continue to wait on my God.

Later Bruce[/b]

OOPS!, Please forgive my upside down post. Deb

[panda]

found this link on another forum.

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/followingittotheletter.html

[FutureMan]

found this link on another forum.

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/followingittotheletter.html

Hello Panda in answer to their information, I do have this to say, the Watchtower Society, have some of the best legal eagles, in the world, do you think for a minute that they did not know the criteria for which they could register as a NGO?

To say that they did not know that this criteria had changed is a misnomer as they would have being notified as an NGO if this criteria had changed, by the UN itself.

But they were not only registered as an NGO with the UNited Nations, for they were also involved with the OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe) lobbying for freedom of worship and trying to legally establish themselves in various European countries as a legalized religion or organization.

There is a number of records to testify to this fact.


http://www.osce.org/

[FutureMan]

As I have stated once before on this subject, True Christians do not need governmental permission to worship God and preached the Good News as this permission comes directly from God's Son, Jesus Christ.

We also do not need to be legally recognized as a legal religion in any country, as this authority comes from God himself and his Son (Jesus Christ) who is the head of the Christian congregation .

Yes as the apostles said when brought before the authorities, "we obey God as ruler, rather than men" (Acts 5:29)

[shikinah]

I found this info today,
The U.N.'s shocking
millennium agenda
Geoff Metcalf interviews
United Nations expert Joan Veon
This link is an interesting interview about the inside activities of the UN, whats even more interesting it explains the real role of the NGO's and their importance to the UN.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010620065114/newnetizen.com/globalelite/unagendasep2kprint.htm




Shikinah

[noname]

Taken from website

-----

This is what we believe happened in the Society’s application process:
The Watchtower Society wanted access passes to the full extent of the DPI’s library facilities. They thought, “Hey, we’re big publishers on UN-related issues, we could make good use of their full library facilities! Why shouldn't we have access when other publishing houses do?” So, they sent copies of their articles to the DPI and requested that the DPI put the Society on their register of associated NGOs.
Then, it was the DPI who determined whether the Society met the criteria. “Yes, it looks like these guys do write a lot about us, and could make good use of our facilities. Sometimes it’s negative, but that’s allowed. They’re not racist, they’re pro-human rights and pro-religious freedom, and they publish millions of magazines. They would really benefit from using all of our library facilities. After all, we want to make it easier for people to write about the UN to help educate the public about what we do here. I see no reason why they can’t be associated and be given access passes.” Thus, they decided the Society did fall within their criteria, and so issued an application form.
The Society read the form and saw that it had nothing on it which conflicts with our Christian beliefs. They completed and returned the form (which needed no signature) and was accepted, proving that complete agreement with the UN was obviously never a requirement.
The Society could not have signed any agreement to meet the criteria, because no such agreement existed. If the Society had chosen to stop printing articles on the UN (and hence stopped using the UN’s library facilities), the DPI would have simply removed us from the register, as they have done with other NGOs. “Hey, it looks like the Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t using our libraries any more. We might as well remove them from our register of associated NGOs.”

-----------

[watchman]

According to the 6th chapter of Jeremiah, Jerusalem kept her badness cool, like in a cistern. Here is the span of verses. "For this is what Jehovah of armies has said: 'Cut down wood and throw up against Jerusalem a siege rampart. She is the city with which an accounting must be held. She is nothing but oppression in the midst of her. As a cistern keeps its waters cool, so she has kept her badness cool. Violence and despoiling are heard in her; sickness and plague are before my face constantly. Be corrected, O Jerusalem, that my soul may not turn away disgusted from you; that I may not set you as a desolate waste, a land not inhabited.”

Keep in mind that ancient Jerusalem was the place where Jehovah once caused his name to reside. The Watchtower fills that function today. Christ foretold that the holy place would be trampled on, but that first it would be surrounded with pointed stakes. Jeremiah calls it "a siege rampart." The Watchtower is aptly described as keeping her badness cool. They are extremely clever and devious in bending the truth to cover their tracks. Jehovah has called them to repent. I personally have participated in that work. In fact, the reason I was ultimately disfellowshipped was not because of the massive mail out of the NGO exposure, but because of the distribution of a follow-up open letter entitled IS IT TIME TO SAY WE ARE SORRY? And of course, in subsequent open letters the Society's behind-closed-doors lawyering has been exposed as well. Because the WT has refused to allow itself to be corrected they are going to go down. That's about it.

watchman

[Utuna]

Dear Watchman,

Please read :

"And it will certainly occur in that day that those remaining over of Israel and those who have escaped of the house of Jacob will never again support themselves upon the one striking them, and they will certainly support themselves upon Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, in trueness. A mere remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God. For although your people, O Israel, would prove to be like the grains of sand of the sea, a mere remnant among them will return. An extermination decided upon will be flooding through in righteousness, because an exterminating and a strict decision the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, will be executing in the midst of the whole land." - (Is10:20-23)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

[uglyandthin]

Dear Watchman,

Please read :

"And it will certainly occur in that day that those remaining over of Israel and those who have escaped of the house of Jacob will never again support themselves upon the one striking them, and they will certainly support themselves upon Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, in trueness. A mere remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God. For although your people, O Israel, would prove to be like the grains of sand of the sea, a mere remnant among them will return. An extermination decided upon will be flooding through in righteousness, because an exterminating and a strict decision the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, will be executing in the midst of the whole land." - (Is10:20-23)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Le sectarisme des jugements pauvres lui tenait quelquefois lieu de volonté" - Hervé Bazin
"J'ai pétri de la boue et j'en ai fait de l'or" - Charles Baudelaire
"S'il m'a été donné de voir un peu plus loin que les autres, c'est que je me tenais sur les épaules de géants" - Isaac Newton

Hi Utuna:

I like your use of this scripture. It really points out that there has been an error in faithfulness of Jesus flesh, his wife and that they need to return to him (the remnant that is). They are described as returning to the Mighty God, which is of course Jesus Christ as Jehovah is always the Almighty God. Very nice find.

Of course they were unfaithful. They know it, Jesus knows it and the rest of God's people will know it before the end comes. Who do they think they are kidding?

uglyandthin

[panda]

There has to be somethinng really sick with me, as I can't handle the thought of the GB being of the remnant. It just doesn't seem right, they remind me of suits only.

I need help.

[shikinah]

There has to be somethinng really sick with me, as I can't handle the thought of the GB being of the remnant. It just doesn't seem right, they remind me of suits only.

I need help.

You make me laugh "i need help" we all need help or we wouldnt be on here lol..
Help in the sense that if we were provided with the proper food at the right time, we wouldnt have had to go hunting down and devouring the morsels we find. How can we feel confident with memorial partakers rising each year, 1914 understanding changes like a chamheleon and the UN apostacy is much to be desired, is it any wonder you feel the way you do. On the contrary you've been helped to see things more clearly:)


Shikinah x

[uglyandthin]

There has to be somethinng really sick with me, as I can't handle the thought of the GB being of the remnant. It just doesn't seem right, they remind me of suits only.

I need help.

Hi Panda:

I doubt if any of the current GB are members of Christ's bride (but of course that is for Jehovah to decide, not me). They may be a part of a different covenant though, like the one that those who will rule under the heavenly kingdom on earth belong, but they will have to flee to the mountain of God when the Watchtower is overturned shortly. When that happens, all will be told of the horrors that were happening in God's "temple" as prophesied by Ezekiel. When this happens, all will know what the "disgusting thing" was that was placed in the temple of God, and then they will have all the information they need to follow Christ's call to "flee to the mountains". Get ready! That call is about to go out. I hope each and every one of the current GB gets the message, repents and follows Jesus to his next stop. I doubt if all will, but I'm fairly confident that some will. In Jonah, God says that there were 120,000 who did not know thier left hand from thier right, but they all repented to the message of Jonah. I think those 120,000 are JW's stuck inside the "wall" of Ninevah (the Watchtower), but that wall is about to take a tumble. Be ready when it does. Get out as soon as you can and listen for Jesus voice and he will lead you to his next "temple" of true worship. I'm not saying that those 120,000 are anointed members of Christ's Bride, but they are part of a different covenant.

uglyandthin

[panda]

You make me laugh "i need help" we all need help or we wouldnt be on here lol..
Help in the sense that if we were provided with the proper food at the right time, we wouldnt have had to go hunting down and devouring the morsels we find. How can we feel confident with memorial partakers rising each year, 1914 understanding changes like a chamheleon and the UN apostacy is much to be desired, is it any wonder you feel the way you do. On the contrary you've been helped to see things more clearly:)


Shikinah xthank you Shikinah, I just saw these replies. lol I'm slow.

yes I should look at it in the possitive. Somehow most of the b/s seem content without no knowing the truth about the truth. I guess I am being impatient.

[panda]

Hi Panda:

I doubt if any of the current GB are members of Christ's bride (but of course that is for Jehovah to decide, not me). They may be a part of a different covenant though, like the one that those who will rule under the heavenly kingdom on earth belong, but they will have to flee to the mountain of God when the Watchtower is overturned shortly. When that happens, all will be told of the horrors that were happening in God's "temple" as prophesied by Ezekiel. When this happens, all will know what the "disgusting thing" was that was placed in the temple of God, and then they will have all the information they need to follow Christ's call to "flee to the mountains". Get ready! That call is about to go out. I hope each and every one of the current GB gets the message, repents and follows Jesus to his next stop. I doubt if all will, but I'm fairly confident that some will. In Jonah, God says that there were 120,000 who did not know thier left hand from thier right, but they all repented to the message of Jonah. I think those 120,000 are JW's stuck inside the "wall" of Ninevah (the Watchtower), but that wall is about to take a tumble. Be ready when it does. Get out as soon as you can and listen for Jesus voice and he will lead you to his next "temple" of true worship. I'm not saying that those 120,000 are anointed members of Christ's Bride, but they are part of a different covenant.

uglyandthinthanks UAT, I'm not sure I understand what you mean about different covenant.

But I hope it is not to long as I want to run already.:cool:

[shikinah]

Hi Panda:

I doubt if any of the current GB are members of Christ's bride (but of course that is for Jehovah to decide, not me). They may be a part of a different covenant though, like the one that those who will rule under the heavenly kingdom on earth belong, but they will have to flee to the mountain of God when the Watchtower is overturned shortly. When that happens, all will be told of the horrors that were happening in God's "temple" as prophesied by Ezekiel. When this happens, all will know what the "disgusting thing" was that was placed in the temple of God, and then they will have all the information they need to follow Christ's call to "flee to the mountains". Get ready! That call is about to go out. I hope each and every one of the current GB gets the message, repents and follows Jesus to his next stop. I doubt if all will, but I'm fairly confident that some will. In Jonah, God says that there were 120,000 who did not know thier left hand from thier right, but they all repented to the message of Jonah. I think those 120,000 are JW's stuck inside the "wall" of Ninevah (the Watchtower), but that wall is about to take a tumble. Be ready when it does. Get out as soon as you can and listen for Jesus voice and he will lead you to his next "temple" of true worship. I'm not saying that those 120,000 are anointed members of Christ's Bride, but they are part of a different covenant.

uglyandthin

Thanks Panda for the reply:)
Uglyandthin reading what you wrote made me go cold, could feel a pang of distress coming on, as I invisioned a glimps of the confusion and mayhem, with that scripture Jesus quoted, about men not knowing the way out. What a fearful time it will be, when faith is tested to its limmits.

Blessings
Shikinah