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shikinah
05-27-2009, 05:21 AM
This article i found explains the reasons for Magazine contributions, very interesting :Yahoo_33:

Written by Sam Muramoto Wednesday, 11 March 2009 09:28 Previous to a major policy change in 1990, Watchtower literature was distributed at what was termed a "specified contribution" price for each item. Witness canvassers (called "publishers") bought their literature supplies from the congregation and then resold these from door-to-door. All monies were then remitted to the Society's headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.


The new policy announced in 1990 detailed a complete donation basis for literature. It was now to be supplied without charge to congregations, but contribution boxes are placed by the counter for donations from the publishers, supposedly to cover the cost of printing and distribution. In the field, donations for the items are solicited, but are supposedly not necessary in order to obtain books and magazines. Such donations received from the public are then to be brought back to the Kingdom Hall and sent to the Society.

What was the motivation for these changes? The Society&#39;s answer was that less paperwork would be needed and the literature could be more easily distributed. <blockquote>"By adopting a method of literature distribution based completely on donation, Jehovah&#39;s people are able to greatly simplify our Bible education work and separate ourselves from those who commercialize religion." (Letter from the Watch Tower Society to all U.S. congregations dated February 21, 1990.)
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The second reason given about `separating ourselves from those who commercialize religion&#39; alluded to the real reason for the Society&#39;s change in literature distribution. Just one month before the new policy was announced, the Society watched how the Supreme Court ruled in California Board of Equalization vs. Jimmy Swaggart Ministries. California wanted to assess sales taxes on the sale of books and tapes and other items by Swaggart&#39;s ministry. The Watch Tower Society filed amicus curiae (a friend of the court legal brief) in support of Swaggart&#39;s position, that a religious organization should be exempt from such taxation. On Jan. 17, 1990, just a little over a month before the Society&#39;s change in policy, the Supreme Court ruled against Swaggart and permitted taxation. The Society&#39;s new policy avoided any liability for taxation by taking the financial transaction out of the picture (donations cannot be taxed).

The new policy was primarily a tax dodge. The side benefit to the Watchtower was that they received monies TWICE for the items, if all went as planned: Perhaps a dollar or two for a small book when you picked up the literature from the Kingdom Hall, and if you received a donation for the book from the householder, you were required to bring this back to the Hall and deposit it as well. (Hmmm..., something&#39;s fishy!)

The Society&#39;s letter outlining the new policy took great pains to emphasize that the donation policy was not a subterfuge for continued specified prices. The claim was made that "we will not suggest a specific donation." (Letter dated February 9, 1990.) Yet a subsequent letter gave instructions on how to suggest the old prices for Watchtower and Awake! subscriptions:

"It may be that the subscriber will ask how much is expected. The publisher should inform the subscriber that the making of a donation or the amount of such is entirely up to the subscriber. The publisher may inform the subscriber that some have donated $5 and others $10 or more, but the amount is left up to the subscriber. Whether or not a donation is made the subscription will be renewed ... If it turns out that a subscriber does not make a donation, as Jehovah God&#39;s fellow workers we have the opportunity to support that work, depending on our circumstances." (Letter dated February 21, 1990)

Here the WT Society is telling Witnesses to suggest $5 or $10 for subscriptions, which is the previous rate. Interestingly, the Society also suggests that if Witnesses can&#39;t collect that from the public, then the Witnesses themselves have the opportunity to donate to cover for the public.

So what happens when people currently write in to the Society asking for literature?

Apparently, literature, including magazine subscriptions, can rarely be obtained through the mail any longer. Even renewal notices for return mail are no longer sent, the householder being informed that they must obtain all materials through their local Kingdom Hall. Even at Watchtower headquarters in New York, only two or three items can be requested at a time from the Society&#39;s Furman Street literature counter. The Society&#39;s literature is free, but only in limited supply.

More recently, attempts to obtain the Watchtower&#39;s new CD-ROM computer disk (containing all of their publications on electronic media, some back to 1950) have yielded interesting results. Because the May 1994 Our Kingdom Ministry (p. 7) "suggests" a price of $25 or $50, though not in so many words, publishers are often requiring a minimum payment, sometimes up front, before they will order the CD-ROM disk. In one case, the JW is demanding $40 before he will place the order! It seems that Witnesses are taught to be more and more deceptive as time passes, which is merely a reflection of their mother (the organization).

Apparently, their recent significant drop in income, coupled with the failure of rank-and-file Witnesses to donate funds sufficient to their liking for materials received "free" has caused the Watchtower to make the following statement in the November 1996 issue (p.3) of their in-house bulletin entitled Our Kingdom Ministry:

<blockquote>Share With Others According to Their Needs


Jehovah makes provision to fill our spiritual needs through the faithful "slave". (Matt 24:45-47) Many of these provisions are in the form of books, Bibles, bound volumes, videos, audiocassette recordings, and computer disks for Bible research. What Jehovah supplies is always sufficient without being wasteful. He expects us to share with one another, making sure that all benefit equally. All such provisions are produced at tremendous financial cost. These expenses are cared for by the worldwide brotherhood. This is especially true since the organization instituted the arrangement to distribute literature without charge, depending entirely on voluntary donations to cover the expense. Additionally, many branches obtain these provisions from the Society at a cost that enables the brothers to have what they need for meetings and field activity even though they have very limited material resources....





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FutureMan
05-27-2009, 06:37 AM
This article i found explains the reasons for Magazine contributions, very interesting :Yahoo_33:

Written by Sam Muramoto Wednesday, 11 March 2009 09:28 Previous to a major policy change in 1990, Watchtower literature was distributed at what was termed a "specified contribution" price for each item. Witness canvassers (called "publishers") bought their literature supplies from the congregation and then resold these from door-to-door. All monies were then remitted to the Society&#39;s headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.


The new policy announced in 1990 detailed a complete donation basis for literature. It was now to be supplied without charge to congregations, but contribution boxes are placed by the counter for donations from the publishers, supposedly to cover the cost of printing and distribution. In the field, donations for the items are solicited, but are supposedly not necessary in order to obtain books and magazines. Such donations received from the public are then to be brought back to the Kingdom Hall and sent to the Society.

What was the motivation for these changes? The Society&#39;s answer was that less paperwork would be needed and the literature could be more easily distributed. <blockquote>"By adopting a method of literature distribution based completely on donation, Jehovah&#39;s people are able to greatly simplify our Bible education work and separate ourselves from those who commercialize religion." (Letter from the Watch Tower Society to all U.S. congregations dated February 21, 1990.)
</blockquote>

The second reason given about `separating ourselves from those who commercialize religion&#39; alluded to the real reason for the Society&#39;s change in literature distribution. Just one month before the new policy was announced, the Society watched how the Supreme Court ruled in California Board of Equalization vs. Jimmy Swaggart Ministries. California wanted to assess sales taxes on the sale of books and tapes and other items by Swaggart&#39;s ministry. The Watch Tower Society filed amicus curiae (a friend of the court legal brief) in support of Swaggart&#39;s position, that a religious organization should be exempt from such taxation. On Jan. 17, 1990, just a little over a month before the Society&#39;s change in policy, the Supreme Court ruled against Swaggart and permitted taxation. The Society&#39;s new policy avoided any liability for taxation by taking the financial transaction out of the picture (donations cannot be taxed).

The new policy was primarily a tax dodge. The side benefit to the Watchtower was that they received monies TWICE for the items, if all went as planned: Perhaps a dollar or two for a small book when you picked up the literature from the Kingdom Hall, and if you received a donation for the book from the householder, you were required to bring this back to the Hall and deposit it as well. (Hmmm..., something&#39;s fishy!)

The Society&#39;s letter outlining the new policy took great pains to emphasize that the donation policy was not a subterfuge for continued specified prices. The claim was made that "we will not suggest a specific donation." (Letter dated February 9, 1990.) Yet a subsequent letter gave instructions on how to suggest the old prices for Watchtower and Awake! subscriptions:

"It may be that the subscriber will ask how much is expected. The publisher should inform the subscriber that the making of a donation or the amount of such is entirely up to the subscriber. The publisher may inform the subscriber that some have donated $5 and others $10 or more, but the amount is left up to the subscriber. Whether or not a donation is made the subscription will be renewed ... If it turns out that a subscriber does not make a donation, as Jehovah God&#39;s fellow workers we have the opportunity to support that work, depending on our circumstances." (Letter dated February 21, 1990)

Here the WT Society is telling Witnesses to suggest $5 or $10 for subscriptions, which is the previous rate. Interestingly, the Society also suggests that if Witnesses can&#39;t collect that from the public, then the Witnesses themselves have the opportunity to donate to cover for the public.

So what happens when people currently write in to the Society asking for literature?

Apparently, literature, including magazine subscriptions, can rarely be obtained through the mail any longer. Even renewal notices for return mail are no longer sent, the householder being informed that they must obtain all materials through their local Kingdom Hall. Even at Watchtower headquarters in New York, only two or three items can be requested at a time from the Society&#39;s Furman Street literature counter. The Society&#39;s literature is free, but only in limited supply.

More recently, attempts to obtain the Watchtower&#39;s new CD-ROM computer disk (containing all of their publications on electronic media, some back to 1950) have yielded interesting results. Because the May 1994 Our Kingdom Ministry (p. 7) "suggests" a price of $25 or $50, though not in so many words, publishers are often requiring a minimum payment, sometimes up front, before they will order the CD-ROM disk. In one case, the JW is demanding $40 before he will place the order! It seems that Witnesses are taught to be more and more deceptive as time passes, which is merely a reflection of their mother (the organization).

Apparently, their recent significant drop in income, coupled with the failure of rank-and-file Witnesses to donate funds sufficient to their liking for materials received "free" has caused the Watchtower to make the following statement in the November 1996 issue (p.3) of their in-house bulletin entitled Our Kingdom Ministry:

<blockquote>Share With Others According to Their Needs


Jehovah makes provision to fill our spiritual needs through the faithful "slave". (Matt 24:45-47) Many of these provisions are in the form of books, Bibles, bound volumes, videos, audiocassette recordings, and computer disks for Bible research. What Jehovah supplies is always sufficient without being wasteful. He expects us to share with one another, making sure that all benefit equally. All such provisions are produced at tremendous financial cost. These expenses are cared for by the worldwide brotherhood. This is especially true since the organization instituted the arrangement to distribute literature without charge, depending entirely on voluntary donations to cover the expense. Additionally, many branches obtain these provisions from the Society at a cost that enables the brothers to have what they need for meetings and field activity even though they have very limited material resources....





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Yes that was my gripe with the Elders a few years ago, when this arrangement first came out. In fact I had a shepherding call to find out where I was at concerning a phone call that I made to an Elder in reference to a talk that was given about this new donation for literature arrangement.

The inference was who was I, a lowly publisher, to question the elders talk on this.

From FutureMan.

shikinah
05-27-2009, 07:32 AM
Hi Futureman,
I always thought it was too good to be true, and thought it doesnt make sense to be so generous. But after reading this article it made me realise the deviousness behind their idea to avoid tax&#39;s. Then your not allowed to question any changes, just put up and shut up :o

Elizabeth

TheMdC
05-27-2009, 02:52 PM
I don&#39;t see the problem here. Everyone knew from the moment this change was implemented that selling=business income=potential income-taxes and so the WT got out of the selling business before taxes could be imposed. This was one of the smartest moves they ever made.

In principle, I don&#39;t believe in religious tax-exemptions, but if it&#39;s the current law, why not take advantage of it? What&#39;s the problem? That they sold it as an opportunity to exhibit generosity?

uglyandthin
05-27-2009, 04:30 PM
I don&#39;t see the problem here. Everyone knew from the moment this change was implemented that selling=business income=potential income-taxes and so the WT got out of the selling business before taxes could be imposed. This was one of the smartest moves they ever made.

In principle, I don&#39;t believe in religious tax-exemptions, but if it&#39;s the current law, why not take advantage of it? What&#39;s the problem? That they sold it as an opportunity to exhibit generosity?[/b]

Hi TheMdC:

I actually agree with most of what you say, however it seems to be the beginning of the double tongue method of speech and writing that they so well developed in thier writing about the U.N. . If this was truely such a great idea for the reasons that they mention, why not institute it all over the world, especially in lands where people really can&#39;t afford much of a donation? The point is, they were not honest with the flock. They made up a half true story that made them look good but was not the complete truth. That&#39;s how I see it. As far as I am concerned, you can&#39;t really rely that anything that comes out of Bethel is "actually" the truth. You always have to read between the lines.

uglyandthin

TheMdC
05-27-2009, 05:19 PM
I can see your point, uglyandthin.

I think I probably ought to explain my attitude toward the organization sometime soon. I&#39;m not an apologist, really. And I don&#39;t mean to minimize serious organizational sins. But I know some of my posts have come across that way.

I just haven&#39;t found a way to articulate where I&#39;m coming from yet, or the time to put it succinctly enough for a message board post. I suppose it will all come clear the longer I&#39;m here and the better we all get to know one another.

FaithfulJW
05-27-2009, 05:51 PM
I can see your point, uglyandthin.

I think I probably ought to explain my attitude toward the organization sometime soon. I&#39;m not an apologist, really. And I don&#39;t mean to minimize serious organizational sins. But I know some of my posts have come across that way.

I just haven&#39;t found a way to articulate where I&#39;m coming from yet, or the time to put it succinctly enough for a message board post. I suppose it will all come clear the longer I&#39;m here and the better we all get to know one another.[/b]

I&#39;m waiting on baited breath to hear your explanation of your attitude towar the organization. So far I have found what you post to be very refreshing,informative and right on target. Keep up the good work.

imjustaskin
05-27-2009, 06:09 PM
<div class='quotemain'>I can see your point, uglyandthin.

I think I probably ought to explain my attitude toward the organization sometime soon. I&#39;m not an apologist, really. And I don&#39;t mean to minimize serious organizational sins. But I know some of my posts have come across that way.

I just haven&#39;t found a way to articulate where I&#39;m coming from yet, or the time to put it succinctly enough for a message board post. I suppose it will all come clear the longer I&#39;m here and the better we all get to know one another.[/b]

I&#39;m waiting on baited breath to hear your explanation of your attitude towar the organization. So far I have found what you post to be very refreshing,informative and right on target. Keep up the good work.
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Ditto here. I have enjoyed your posts, MdC. An advantage of this board is that we SHOULD be able to get both sides of an argument. When I came here I was looking for someplace where people acknowledge that the organization is not perfect, but neither is it a satanic cult brainwashing all its subjects. This board is the closest to middle ground I think you can get!

Regarding the topic, I agree that the problem is honesty. The society acts much like a corporation when it tries to "spin" things a certain way. It&#39;s a bit insulting, I think. If they would just be honest about the reasons behind things, most of us would just say, ok, I get it, and move on. They do more harm to themselves by trying to spin it.

Eyes & Ears
05-28-2009, 12:38 PM
I&#39;m putting these expressions here because they are about magazines/publications not so much about the article.

At our last service meeting under the topic of Make Good Use of Our Publications in the KM, it was announced that our cong has a problem regarding magazines.

Every month there is a surplus of over 700 magazines. To emphasize the point, all the extra magazines for last month were piled up on small table on the platform for the audience to see.

It was then multplied by 12 months and the audience was asked to just think about how many magazines are just sitting in the KH as well as at home on our shelves.

My thoughts were hmmmmmmmmm, so are the friends not going out as much, are they becoming aware of things and are getting a tad uncomfortable placing these mags. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Has perhaps some circumstances changed due to illness, etc and they forgot to cut back, or are they too embarrassed to go to the counter and cut back due to what the servant might think. (just my dumb thoughts) Has this been going on for awhile or is this something that started happening. You know we don&#39;t get all the real info, just what they want to use to make a certain point at a certain time. (My opinion)

Me I get on a few mags. Once I found out certain things, I cut back drastically.

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I also found interesting that the Coordinator in doing the highlights in Ex 34 through 37 focused on voluntary donations and telling us how we need to think about the promise we made in saying we would give so much $$ for the KH renovations, etc. (apparently b/s are not contributing as they said they would)

I also found interesting how he focused on Ex 34:21 and said the sabbath was to be kept no matter what. He used the plowing and harvest as our work today. He said we are to assemble for meetings and conventions, etc. etc. Are we allowing our plowing and harvesting (employment) keep us from spiritual things, etc. etc. such as meetings and conventions. He said are we putting Jehovah first especially in these critical times knowing he wll take care of us or are we putting our needs ahead of spiritual things.


I understand the need to be balanced and putting Jehovah first, but I don&#39;t always agree with how things are said from the platform.

During the announcments a letter was read to pay the $$$ for the CO&#39;s apartment and whatever else, car in, health, etc. Letter said $4.00 per publisher. The speaker said this is retroactive from September. For some reason I forgot how he worded it, this got overlooked. They then did some kind of resolution to pay this.

Perhaps I am just looking for stuff I don&#39;t know, but some of this talk during the service meeting made me pay more than the usual attention in HOW IT WAS SAID.


Magazine Pile up
Donations
Taking care of CO and going retroactive

Maybe it is just me.

Oh well just wanted to share this under this topic. Did not mean to re-direct the thread.

E & E