North Vs. South

[Jeshurun]

Daniel Chapter 11 being my favorite prophecy, I thought I would take the liberty of starting up a north vs. south thread. The only reason I ever "accidentally" found e-watchman is because of the correct interpretation of the "King of the North." Ironically, I immediately wrote it off as apostate because of this, since it is the antithesis of the teaching of, well, you know who. (the Soviet Union, remember? No one has told them yet that the USSR has collapsed...Shhhhhh!)

Sorry guys, but I'm fresh off reading Watchman's "JHHBK" Book and I'm on a roll. I was doing some reading about the Federal Reserve Bank (another computer center I used to visit almost daily) and I came across this blaring indictment of the institution by bipartisan Congressman Louis T. McFadden of Pennsylvania, in 1933 at the heights of the Fed-induced Great Depression. The following excerpt encapsulates the North vs. South struggle that I at first found so difficult to grasp. I hope you find it interesting.

I would love to continue this thread and welcome everyone's contribution to it.




World Enslavement Planned
"Mr. Chairman, when the Fed was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here which would make the savings of the American school teacher available to a narcotic-drug vendor in Acapulco. They did not perceive that these United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw material and heart, that Russia was destined to supply the man power and that this country was to supply the financial power to an 'international superstate.' A superstate controlled by international bankers, and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure?"

"The people of these United States are being greatly wronged. They have been driven from their employments. They have been dispossessed from their homes. They have been evicted from their rented quarters. They have lost their children. They have been left to suffer and die for lack of shelter, food, clothing and medicine."

"The wealth of these United States and the working capital have been taken away from them and has either been locked in the vaults of certain banks and the great corporations or exported to foreign countries for the benefit of the foreign customers of these banks and corporations. So far as the people of the United States are concerned, the cupboard is bare."

"It is true that the warehouses and coal yards and grain elevators are full, but these are padlocked, and the great banks and corporations hold the keys."

"The sack of these United States by the Fed is the greatest crime in history."

"Mr. Chairman, a serious situation confronts the House of Representatives today. We are trustees of the people and the rights of the people are being taken away from them. Through the Fed the people are losing the rights guaranteed to them by the Constitution. Their property has been taken from them without due process of law. Mr. Chairman, common decency requires us to examine the public accounts of the Government and see what crimes against the public welfare have been committed."

"What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of these United States."

"The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson's time must be fought our over again. The independent United States Treasury should be reestablished and the Government should keep its own money under lock and key in the building the people provided for that purpose."

"Asset currency, the devise of the swindler, should be done away with. The Fed should be abolished and the State boundaries should be respected. Bank reserves should be kept within the boundaries of the States whose people own them, and this reserve money of the people should be protected so that the International Bankers and acceptance bankers and discount dealers cannot draw it away from them."

"The Fed should be repealed, and the Fed Banks, having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately. Faithless Government officials who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial."

"Unless this is done by us, I predict, that the American people, outraged, pillaged, insulted and betrayed as they are in their own land, will rise in their wrath, and will sweep the money changers out of the temple."

"Mr. Chairman, the United States is bankrupt: It has been bankrupted by the corrupt and dishonest Fed. It has repudiated its debts to its own citizens. Its chief foreign creditor is Great Britain, and a British bailiff has been at the White House and the British Agents are in the United States Treasury making inventory arranging terms of liquidations!"

[Molly]

Good Morning Jeshurun-

This is quite an interesting piece that you have posted. It is also so depressing. It is the reason that I limit my pursuit of interest in world affairs to maybe once a week. Otherwise, I don't think I could handle the information. The conspiracies, the diabolical character of the participants, the abuses to mankind, etc. It sickens me that these types of people exist, but it makes it clear why Jehovah must act.

I am sure that we are aware of only the fringes of information. Since Mr. McFadden was speaking in 1993 about these abuses and nothing has been done, one can only assume that there is no intention of doing anything. He wanted return to the Constitution and to try and convict the perpetrators or these crimes. I do applaud his willingness to condemn the problem. The moguls at the top believe they are above it all and can do essentially as they please. The tentacles are long and extend into every crevise of society.

It's not that I am not aware or do not care. I know too much about it. Everything that has gone on for at least 150 years is really a sham, an illusion. It just makes me sick. When you think about it, Satan has been planning this for 6,000 years. The people of the earth are the dupes of the moguls and the moguls are the dupes of Satan.

It is the hope that Jehovah affords us that keeps me sane in all this insanity.

Molly

[Jeshurun]

Hello dear Molly

Actually, this took place in 1933, at the peak of the Great Depression. This was a turning point in the north-south struggle, as the US was victorious in the Revolutionary War, and the British-supported South was defeated during the Civil War. The entire north-south struggle has been about Empire vs. Republic, and this Fed-induced economic collapse of 74 years ago is just a glimpse of the future collapse that will be caused by the London-based financial oligarchy that is behind the scenes instigating everything, including terrorism.

Yes it is depressing to read these things, but we're facing a time that will dwarf anything that has ever happened, and we need to view history because it is due to repeat itself.

The best way to look at it as to remember what Jesus said, that when we see all these things start to occur, we know the he is near at the doors. When the tribulation starts, Christ's Presence will truly be here, not just a fabricated false alarm. This is very good news for those in expectation of him.

Lou

[Sketch]

Hello Jeshurun,


The best way to look at it as to remember what Jesus said, that when we see all these things start to occur, we know the he is near at the doors.[/b]

True, but the problem is deciphering if 2007 is just like 1929... on the cusp of a depression, or on the cusp of THE new world order... folks in late '29 and the 30's might have - and obviously DID - think the world would end at any minute - with massive financial collapse world wide, and a famine of sorts here in the US with the dust bowl, and the spanish flu...... yet here we are... saying the same things... history repeating itself maybe??

[Molly]

Hello dear Molly

Actually, this took place in 1933, at the peak of the Great Depression. This was a turning point in the north-south struggle, as the US was victorious in the Revolutionary War, and the British-supported South was defeated during the Civil War.
Lou[/b]

Thank you for the correction about the date. I probably need new glasses.

Yes, that was a critical time in many ways. Knowing it was arranged and how many people suffered as a result is just criminal. In fact, the recent surge in the Stock Market concerns me, in that some may be tempted to invest just to try to recoup what was lost a few years ago.

I guess my problem is that my kids think I'm "way out there" in terms of what I believe. My son referred to the conspiracy theories as a"fringe thinking." My kids aren't JW's and have never agreed in any way with what I see. Now that I have made a shift in the 1914 thinking, they are even more suspect.

I appreciate your input on these issues. Most people seem to reject even the concept. Really, though, now history makes some sense. It never did before - just dates and wars. Keep up the good work. We all need to be aware of Satan's wiles.

Molly

[Jeshurun]

Actually Sketch, you're right about all those false alarms, and the time to be most diligent is when the Watchtower isn't saying anything. Let's all just sit back and wait for Jehovah to start taking everyone out while we sip Amaretto by the pool. (As long as we have our hours in for the month.)

I'm sorry to say, but the last time they thought the world was ending, they didn't have any nuclear weapons, let alone enough stockpiled to blow the earth into the Andromeda Galaxy. Add to that the possibility that some terrorist can be carrying one of those warheads in the trunk of his car. Did you know that the Russian Government doesn't even know where a large percentage of their warheads are? And add to that the fact that terrorists aren't even the real threat, it's our own governments. And realistically, where do you think the world will be after another 20 years of this? How about 50? Think we can make it to 100? With no fish, no rain forests, a sea level rising every year, along with global temperatures? Is it a cycle? Maybe, but this time we have 6.5 billion people sitting on a powderkeg. And if flight 93 wasn't shot down by the Air National Guard of North Dakota, Norad would have flown it into the Capitol Building and we would have already been under marshal law 5 years ago, and by now probably enslaved.

Molly dont worry, you dont need new glasses. Nobody's really been talking much about the 1930's lately, but the point is that what you read in the post above happened in the USA, it was dire poverty from coast to coast. And our Lord Jesus says that the coming trouble will be not only the worst ever but completely global, there will be no escapees, and even the perpetrators will be hiding under the rocks.

[Sketch]

I'm sorry to say, but the last time they thought the world was ending, they didn't have any nuclear weapons, let alone enough stockpiled to blow the earth into the Andromeda Galaxy.[/b]

true, but they had weapons just as feared (even if they weren't on the scale of nukes)... Nukes were still in the imagination... just imagine the death/destruction combos still in the imaginations of the weapons designers today.......

all I am saying is that EVERY generation says that it can't get worse. Kids have NEVER respected their elders, politicians were NEVER noble, and prices were NEVER reasonable... at the time... >>FF>> 20 years to the future and we remember better times.... wear sunscreen.

we live in a very "convenient" time. almost everyone (at least in most developed / developing countries) is spoiled rotten. we all love walmart prices at 3am on a sunday. things really ARE getting worse, but again, they aren't THAT bad. After all, we have walmart prices at 3am on SUNDAYS!!!! life has gotten easier for most, and most have gotten fat and lazy because of it.

Yes, we are to keep a look out for the things to come, but what in actuality can we do about them? its coming regardless of what we do/don't do. There is no running to mountains this time. There is no hiding. we're going to have to take it on the chin. we're going to have to have absolute faith in Jehovah to get us through it.

[Jeshurun]

I believe we have consensus, Sketch, there is nothing we can do for ourselves, other than make preparations for a hunker-down, like stockpiling canned food and bottled water. The reason being, we are now at a critical stage in the world of economics where the irresponsible and insane implementation of derivatives, hedge funds and speculative funds have set the stage for an overnight economic collapse. It would start with the collapse of the dollar, which has only been recently prevented by the moves of other nations, such as Japan, to bail it out, and that would set off a domino effect whereby many other currencies would fail as well. Basically, if America defaults on her loans, everyone is sunk.

But what we can do, and the reason we are here, is to share our knowledge with others who are seeking, whether they be from Jehovah's organization or just interested ones from the outside. It is always better to be on the cautious side so that we are not caught sleeping when the Lord arrives.

So now I would like to provide the next installment of the King of the North saga, here is a little more of Congressman McFadden's denunciation of the Fed:


The Federal Reserve - A Corrupt Institution
"Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the Nation's debt. The depredations and iniquities of the Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over."

"This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of these United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the defects of the law under which it operates, through the maladministration of that law by the Fed and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it."

"Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lender. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into states to buy votes to control our legislatures; there are those who maintain International propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us into granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime."

"These twelve private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this Country by the bankers who came here from Europe and repaid us our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. Those bankers took money out of this Country to finance Japan in a war against Russia. They created a reign of terror in Russia with our money in order to help that war along. They instigated the separate peace between Germany and Russia, and thus drove a wedge between the allies in World War. They financed Trotsky's passage from New York to Russia so that he might assist in the destruction of the Russian Empire. They fomented and instigated the Russian Revolution, and placed a large fund of American dollars at Trotsky's disposal in one of their branch banks in Sweden so that through him Russian homes might be thoroughly broken up and Russian children flung far and wide from their natural protectors. They have since begun breaking up of American homes and the dispersal of American children. Mr. Chairman, there should be no partisanship in matters concerning banking and currency affairs in this Country, and I do not speak with any."

"In 1912 the National Monetary Association, under the chairmanship of the late Senator Nelson W. Aldrich, made a report and presented a vicious bill called the National Reserve Association bill. This bill is usually spoken of as the Aldrich bill. Senator Aldrich did not write the Aldrich bill. He was the tool, if not the accomplice, of the European bankers who for nearly twenty years had been scheming to set up a central bank in this Country and who in 1912 has spent and were continuing to spend vast sums of money to accomplish their purpose."

"We were opposed to the Aldrich plan for a central bank. The men who rule the Democratic Party then promised the people that if they were returned to power there would be no central bank established here while they held the reigns of government. Thirteen months later that promise was broken, and the Wilson administration, under the tutelage of those sinister Wall Street figures who stood behind Colonel House, established here in our free Country the worm-eaten monarchical institution of the 'King's Bank' to control us from the top downward, and from the cradle to the grave."

"The Federal Reserve Bank destroyed our old and characteristic way of doing business. It discriminated against our 1-name commercial paper, the finest in the world, and it set up the antiquated 2-name paper, which is the present curse of this Country and which wrecked every country which has ever given it scope; it fastened down upon the Country the very tyranny from which the framers of the Constitution sough to save us."