Important Question For Watchman

[NEW HEART]

Dear Watchman,

On one of the essays on the revealing of Jesus you said in the side note this...

("Because Jesus is now an immortal spirit being he is not bound by any earthly or human considerations. He is fully capable of revealing himself simultaneously to individuals around the globe. It is, therefore, not necessary that his disciples be gathered to a single geographic location in order to behold Jesus. Apparently that is why Christ forewarned his followers not to give heed to proclamations declaring that Jesus is here or there")

My question is this...I have now seen Jesus in deep meditation and prayer and there is no doubt in my mind of this fact. He has shown me in many ways so that I would be sure. I am not insane or was not halucinating. I am wondering if any others here have had this happen to them and they are too afraid to speak up for fear of ridicule. I have also heard his voice personally and was given through God's undeserved kindness some very good news. I was told that soon the first resurrection will take place and the bride must be ready and wearing clean white garments. You are right about what you said above. He does, and is revealing himself to his bride at this time earthwide. We are not to follow false stories about going anywhere to meet him, for you will know when the time comes.

Sister New Heart

[watchman]

Dear Watchman,

My question is this...I have now seen Jesus in deep meditation and prayer and there is no doubt in my mind of this fact. He has shown me in many ways so that I would be sure. I am not insane or was not halucinating. I am wondering if any others here have had this happen to them and they are too afraid to speak up for fear of ridicule. I have also heard his voice personally and was given through God's undeserved kindness some very good news. I was told that soon the first resurrection will take place and the bride must be ready and wearing clean white garments. You are right about what you said above. He does, and is revealing himself to his bride at this time earthwide. We are not to follow false stories about going anywhere to meet him, for you will know when the time comes.

Sister New Heart[/b]

Hi New Heart.

Frankly, you do not have to be insane to hear voices or see visions. But there is good reason to be cautious about giving heed to seemingly inspired voices and visions. As you know, Satan the Devil is capable of transforming himself into an angel of light. He does this in many different ways. For example, the founder of Islam, Mohammed, after meditation and prayer, heard voices and received a "revelation." Same thing with Buddah. Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, supposedly received a revelation from heaven. And on and on it goes. Are we to believe that Jesus was the source of enlightenment for these fellas? Or were they enlightened by another source? No doubt all three of those men were absolutely convinced that their source of "enlightenment" was God, but obviously they were mistaken.

As regards the "good news" you were told, apparently you have have not received anything particularly unique. Think about it; a revelation is given for the purpose of revealing something that is otherwise unknown and unknowable. On the other hand, "Jesus" didn't tell you anything that you could not have read in the Bible yourself. So, what's the point? Of course the first resurrection will take place; of course the bride must be chaste. We know that.

Furthermore, you seem to be under the impression that Jesus has appeared to you as a result of what is called the manifestation of Christ. However, that is not possible. The presence and manifestation of Christ takes place during the conclusion of the system, which has not begun yet.

Paul specifically warned us not to be quickly shaken from our reason into believing that the day of Jehovah is here. Sounds like some timely advice for you.

Watchman

[NEW HEART]

<div class='quotemain'>Dear Watchman,

My question is this...I have now seen Jesus in deep meditation and prayer and there is no doubt in my mind of this fact. He has shown me in many ways so that I would be sure. I am not insane or was not halucinating. I am wondering if any others here have had this happen to them and they are too afraid to speak up for fear of ridicule. I have also heard his voice personally and was given through God&#39;s undeserved kindness some very good news. I was told that soon the first resurrection will take place and the bride must be ready and wearing clean white garments. You are right about what you said above. He does, and is revealing himself to his bride at this time earthwide. We are not to follow false stories about going anywhere to meet him, for you will know when the time comes.

Sister New Heart[/b]

Hi New Heart.

Frankly, you do not have to be insane to hear voices or see visions. But there is good reason to be cautious about giving heed to seemingly inspired voices and visions. As you know, Satan the Devil is capable of transforming himself into an angel of light. He does this in many different ways. For example, the founder of Islam, Mohammed, after meditation and prayer, heard voices and received a "revelation." Same thing with Buddah. Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, supposedly received a revelation from heaven. And on and on it goes. Are we to believe that Jesus was the source of enlightenment for these fellas? Or were they enlightened by another source? No doubt all three of those men were absolutely convinced that their source of "enlightenment" was God, but obviously they were mistaken.

As regards the "good news" you were told, apparently you have have not received anything particularly unique. Think about it; a revelation is given for the purpose of revealing something that is otherwise unknown and unknowable. On the other hand, "Jesus" didn&#39;t tell you anything that you could not have read in the Bible yourself. So, what&#39;s the point? Of course the first resurrection will take place; of course the bride must be chaste. We know that.

Furthermore, you seem to be under the impression that Jesus has appeared to you as a result of what is called the manifestation of Christ. However, that is not possible. The presence and manifestation of Christ takes place during the conclusion of the system, which has not begun yet.

Paul specifically warned us not to be quickly shaken from our reason into believing that the day of Jehovah is here. Sounds like some timely advice for you.

Watchman
[/b][/quote]

here you said...
Furthermore, you seem to be under the impression that Jesus has appeared to you as a result of what is called the manifestation of Christ. However, that is not possible. The presence and manifestation of Christ takes place during the conclusion of the system, which has not begun yet.
Dear Watchman,
Not to seem disrespectful or anything to you at all. Please don&#39;t take this that way.


How can you be saying that the conclusion of the system of things has not begun yet? How is it you can say that these are not the very final days? All the signs are there for ones who have watched and have stayed awake . Furthermore, we all know that when you catch sight of all the things Jesus warned to watch, you should also know that he is near the doors. He also said the rest of the world would still think all is well just like it always has been, and they continue on marrying and building just the same, and it comes as a thief to these ones. The bible also says that Jehovah will make his plans known to his chosen ones. These are not normal times, so he will do extraordinary things, since the time is so short now.

You used the example of how budda and mohamad and joseph smith heard voices. The thing is who were they praying to? I address all my prayers to my Father Jehovah, and he alone is my only idol. Jehovah has always answered my prayers from my childhood on and I have complete faith in him that if I pray and ask him for a fish, he will not send me a cobra. I have tested and tested what things he has given me to know, and I would never blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. The one thing people don&#39;t undertand is that we are much further in the end than people seem to realize. The time has been sped up, and we may make the big mistake into thinking many, many more things need to happen first, but how then would it seem like a trap like thief like Jesus said would happen if it all didnt happen theif like at all ?

New Heart

[watchman]

How can you be saying that the conclusion of the system of things has not begun yet? How is it you can say that these are not the very final days? All the signs are there for ones who have watched and have stayed awake .[/b]


What "signs" are you referring to, specifically? Jesus said that international wars, food shortages and pandemics will be the beginning pangs of distress. Are you saying, like Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses, that World War One was the beginning of the conclusion of the system of things? If not, what signs are you referring to? (Over the past half decade a number of articles have been published on e-watchman on this topic, perhaps you might want to read them before responding. Here&#39;s a partial listing: What and When is the Time of the End? (http://e-watchman.com/essays/time-of-the-end.html), In the Final Part of the Days (http://e-watchman.com/essays/final-part-of-the-days.html), The Harvest (http://e-watchman.com/essays/the-harvest.html), Keep on the Watch (http://e-watchman.com/essays/keep-on-the-watch.html), Will There be a Third World War? (http://e-watchman.com/essays/third-world-war-3.html)


Furthermore, we all know that when you catch sight of all the things Jesus warned to watch, you should also know that he is near the doors. He also said the rest of the world would still think all is well just like it always has been, and they continue on marrying and building just the same, and it comes as a thief to these ones. The bible also says that Jehovah will make his plans known to his chosen ones. These are not normal times, so he will do extraordinary things, since the time is so short now.[/b]

Again, what things are you referring to that you personally have caught sight of?

As regards Jesus&#39; thief-like coming, it is primarily in connection with his disciples that Jesus comes as a thief. No doubt, one of the factors that weighs heavily in Jesus coming at a time that his disciples do not think to be it is that they imagine he has already come. (1914)


You used the example of how budda and mohamad and joseph smith heard voices. The thing is who were they praying to? I address all my prayers to my Father Jehovah, and he alone is my only idol. Jehovah has always answered my prayers from my childhood on and I have complete faith in him that if I pray and ask him for a fish, he will not send me a cobra.[/b]

I don&#39;t doubt your sincerity. But a person can be sincere and still be deluded. Look at the Watchtower organization. Undoubtedly most of Jehovah&#39;s Witnesses sincerely believe that Christ began ruling in 1914 and all of that, but obviously they are wrong. The irony is that the prophecies foretold that Jehovah&#39;s own "prohets" and servants would be blind to certain realities. (Who is Blind as the Servant of Jehovah? (http://e-watchman.com/essays/watchtower-blind-servant.html) , My Own Idol has Done Them (http://e-watchman.com/essays/watchtower-idol.html))


I have tested and tested what things he has given me to know, and I would never blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. The one thing people don&#39;t undertand is that we are much further in the end than people seem to realize. The time has been sped up, and we may make the big mistake into thinking many, many more things need to happen first, but how then would it seem like a trap like thief like Jesus said would happen if it all didnt happen theif like at all?[/b]

The touchstone is the Bible. So, the burden of proof is upon you to scripturally prove that the sign of the conclusion is already in evidence.

Watchman

[NEW HEART]

Dear Watchman,

you said..("I don&#39;t doubt your sincerity. But a person can be sincere and still be deluded".)

What if I thought you was deluded, even though sincere? Are you claiming to be a Prophet? We all need to test everything, to see if it originates with God, right?

Is&#39;nt it funny that all is well and normal when one prays to God, but when he answers people they are looked at as loonies and deluded just because they want to share because if they don&#39;t, they would feel bloodguilty. If thats the case, why should we believe anyone at all in the bible? Was Joseph deluded when he had powerful dreams and visions? What would of happened if Egypt thought his dream interpitation was deluded? They would have starved in the famine, right?

Was Ezekiel and John deluded as well? We have never seen Jesus, yet we have faith him. This is the reason why his people will be crying for aid really soon. They think they will all be covered even if they sleep on. They do not hear his voice and have that personal relationship with him. They will never accept that the Holy Spirit helper is giving clues to help them in the times ahead, from the lowly ones who have been told to warn. All I feel is pain in my heart, for the ones who think they know God, but are the ones who are deluded.

New Heart

[watchman]

Dear Watchman,

you said..("I don&#39;t doubt your sincerity. But a person can be sincere and still be deluded".)

What if I thought you was deluded, even though sincere? Are you claiming to be a Prophet? We all need to test everything, to see if it originates with God, right?

Is&#39;nt it funny that all is well and normal when one prays to God, but when he answers people they are looked at as loonies and deluded just because they want to share because if they don&#39;t, they would feel bloodguilty. If thats the case, why should we believe anyone at all in the bible? Was Joseph deluded when he had powerful dreams and visions? What would of happened if Egypt thought his dream interpitation was deluded? They would have starved in the famine, right?

Was Ezekiel and John deluded as well? We have never seen Jesus, yet we have faith him. This is the reason why his people will be crying for aid really soon. They think they will all be covered even if they sleep on. They do not hear his voice and have that personal relationship with him. They will never accept that the Holy Spirit helper is giving clues to help them in the times ahead, from the lowly ones who have been told to warn. All I feel is pain in my heart, for the ones who think they know God, but are the ones who are deluded.

New Heart[/b]

It&#39;s like this, Paul said that if an angel of heaven were to declare something other than what we know is the truth, then they were not to be believed. So, when someone claims to have seen and heard Jesus but the experience contradicts what the Bible says, well, then, that&#39;s a problem.

You announced to us on the forum here that Jesus has manifested himself to you, because as you said, you believe the presence and manifestation of Christ has begun. You said that the signs were clearly in evidence. I asked you to explain what signs you were referring to. It seems like a reasonable request to me. If something as earth-shaking as the arrival of the Son of man has taken place and we don&#39;t know about it, but Christ has revealed himself to you to explain it to us, is it presumptuous on our part if we expect you to be able to explain your experience in the context of the prophecies that Christ has given us?

If you cannot coherently explain to us who are in anticipation of Christ&#39;s return how it is that the conclusion of the system has begun without our knowledge, then that is an indication that you might be laboring under some sort of delusion. I do not say that to belittle or ridicule you, just to set things in perspective.

This is where we discuss these sorts of matters. After all, I have put to print all my musings and anyone is free to criticize or try to refute whatever they wish. So, please consider this a kindly challenge.

Watchman

[NEW HEART]

Strong delusion is about to arise to mislead if possible the chosen ones. Many announcements are coming soon and what they will be calling disclosure. It will seem very convincing. It will all sound so good. Get ready, it is already here.

New Heart

[SlaveForJah]

7 Then they questioned him, saying: "Teacher, when will these things actually be, and what will be the sign when these things are destined to occur?" 8 He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, &#39;I am he,&#39; and, &#39;The due time has approached.&#39; Do not go after them. - Luke 21:7,8

SlaveForJah

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

Frankly Newheart I&#39;m not sure what to say to you, I dont want to appear derisory but on what basis are you prophesying? Do you claim to be one of the annointed? Have you been marked out fpr special attention? Please give us some unique insight based on the scriptures so that we can judge.
One the one hand what you have said can be interpreted as a generalism, but I dont think that is how it is intended - am I wrong? Be careful, all sorts of people have claimed to be divinely inspired, and when it becomes obvious that they aren&#39;t they are never taken seriously again.

EF

[watchman]

Strong delusion is about to arise to mislead if possible the chosen ones. Many announcements are coming soon and what they will be calling disclosure. It will seem very convincing. It will all sound so good. Get ready, it is already here.

New Heart[/b]

Hmmm, Okay. And I assume that you expect to be the source of the "strong delusion" that is coming soon, right?

[NEW HEART]

<div align="center"><span style="color:#000000">"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
(Revelation 14:9-12)</span></div>
<div align="center">http://www.galactic.org/EG.html</div>
<div align="center">This is a copy of the New World Bible about to be announced to mankind. </div>
<div align="center">New Heart</div>
<div align="center">http://www.thepeacealliance.org/content/view/331/123/</div>

[Sketch]

why does every self-proclaimed messiah and prophet feel the need to shave their head and wear turtlenecks?

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

I&#39;ll make a prediction just for you NewHeart - and lo, your days are numbered.

:icon_rolleyes:

EF

[watchman]

If there was any question our dear sister New Heart is delusional she has removed any cause for doubt.

I thought all those Hale Boppers off-ed themselves 10 years ago. Looks like one of them didn&#39;t drink the koolaid. :dontknow:

[Berean]

why does every self-proclaimed messiah and prophet feel the need to shave their head and wear turtlenecks?[/b]
Maybe they think that&#39;s why Steve Jobs got Apple where it is now? :D Only, that is actually because of the quality of the products they make. With these Star Trek wannabies however, quality is the last thing I&#39;d describe their products with. Quantity, maybe. It&#39;s all about the $$$. Ka-ching!

[Jeshurun]

<div class='quotemain'>why does every self-proclaimed messiah and prophet feel the need to shave their head and wear turtlenecks?[/b]
Maybe they think that&#39;s why Steve Jobs got Apple where it is now? :D Only, that is actually because of the quality of the products they make. With these Star Trek wannabies however, quality is the last thing I&#39;d describe their products with. Quantity, maybe. It&#39;s all about the $$. Ka-ching!
[/b][/quote]

Let&#39;s see, "Messiah" named "Galactica", coming on the clouds, :buja_w_oblokach: maybe a couple hundred million Annanuki&#39;s with him? :imnotworthy: Makes sense to me!

Fire up those hologram machines! I wanna see this! :toung:

Speaking of "ka-ching", how &#39;bout today&#39;s daily text?

:189:

[stayawake]

Dear new heart
You don&#39;t want to go "THAT WAY" !! Wake up and rub some ointment in your eyes. You are being decieved.
What does your hubby feel about all this ?

To be honest with you it does put me in mind of one of Jim Jones followers who didnt drink the cool ade.
I am as serious as you are, make that BREAK NOW newheart , while you can still walk away.
You are caught in a dillusion, and the SOURcE IS NOT from Jehovah.
Please pray alloud about it and ask for help to break that chain.
love stayawake

[stayawake]

New herat I do care for you very much, please get rid of that site you put on. Dont visit it newheart, you are telling us not to do what you yourseolf are doing.
If some one tells u hes there or whichever Jesus said not tp believe it.
PLEASE take a good look at what is happening to you. At the present Satan is having a ball thinking he may snatch one of us here.
Don&#39;t let it happen newheart, Jehovah is a strong tower and this is where we are to run.
Dont give into any false quackery, you were no doubt influenced in a moment of weakness.
If your ever in doubt dear one of anything, just put it on the board and we can all have a share in helping you
don&#39;t just give into any old whem that comes along
I mean it new heart we are here for you. Please trust us ,were family
love ya
stayawake

[Nash]

With respect to the websites which were posted by New Heart, I think that the following passage, taken from 2 Corinthians 11:14, 15, is most appropriate:

"And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works."

Of course, in context the apostle Paul was speaking to the Corinthians about men who were infiltrating the Christian Congregation. But the principle still applies - even though influences such as those on the websites above are outside the congregation, they still pose a threat to all individuals who blindly put their trust in them.

Nash

[SlaveForJah]

It seems quite clear that Satan is enjoying this, and is very near to bringing to ruin another of Christ&#39;s sheep. I suggest we all pray in earnest that Sis NewHeart returns to her senses and that Jehovah rescues her from Satan&#39;s clutches.

Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. - 2Peter 3:9

Agape

SlaveForJah

[NEW HEART]

New herat I do care for you very much, please get rid of that site you put on. Dont visit it newheart, you are telling us not to do what you yourseolf are doing.
If some one tells u hes there or whichever Jesus said not tp believe it.
PLEASE take a good look at what is happening to you. At the present Satan is having a ball thinking he may snatch one of us here.
Don&#39;t let it happen newheart, Jehovah is a strong tower and this is where we are to run.
Dont give into any false quackery, you were no doubt influenced in a moment of weakness.
If your ever in doubt dear one of anything, just put it on the board and we can all have a share in helping you
don&#39;t just give into any old whem that comes along
I mean it new heart we are here for you. Please trust us ,were family
love ya
stayawake[/b]

I am not believing this site. I know this is the trick satan will use. Signs and portents. Do you think I believe anything this site is saying. AlL I am saying is this is what the New World Order will use to deceive, people in general, the ones who don&#39;t know. I am showing you what the plan is, thats all. He will use many signs to deceive, and make it so appealing to cause others to accept the lie.

[NEW HEART]

Watchman,

I just got off the phone with my daughter yesterday after she came home from the circuit assembly in Daytona, Fl. She said a C.O. gave a powerful talk about apostasy. You were the one they were referring to as sending letters and deceiving many elders all over into opening them. He was saying this is a trick satan uses to deceive them. So to them, they class you right up there in the same catogory as satan himself. They also warned everyone again to stay off the net, because the consider you evil and delusioned by satan himself.

[watchman]

I am not believing this site. I know this is the trick satan will use. Signs and portents. Do you think I believe anything this site is saying. AlL I am saying is this is what the New World Order will use to deceive, people in general, the ones who don&#39;t know. I am showing you what the plan is, thats all. He will use many signs to deceive, and make it so appealing to cause others to accept the lie.[/b]

That&#39;s good to know. You had us worried

[watchman]

Watchman,

I just got off the phone with my daughter yesterday after she came home from the circuit assembly in Daytona, Fl. She said a C.O. gave a powerful talk about apostasy. You were the one they were referring to as sending letters and deceiving many elders all over into opening them. He was saying this is a trick satan uses to deceive them. So to them, they class you right up there in the same catogory as satan himself. They also warned everyone again to stay off the net, because the consider you evil and delusioned by satan himself.[/b]

Thanks for that report Sister. It is encouraging to know that some elders are reading what I send out. I must admit to indulging in a bit of trickery this last time. On the original massive NGO mailout a couple of years ago I had very few return to sender returns. But in the child abuse mailout last October there was a much higher percentage returned. So, although this latest mailout was not nearly as extensive as the previous ones I started addressing the letters to the congregation secretary knowing that they would probably think it was some publisher record cards or something of that nature. I hope to do another mailout soon, as world conditions warrant.

Watchman

[Jinnvisible]

Thanks for laying <strike>YOUR</strike> these cards on the table New Heart.

Personally i wouldn`t listen to much to this guy. He talks about 4-D 100 foot long crystal telepathic computers in another planet called Galactica. It just reminds me of a guy who used to talk about his stereo and home entertainment system.

[James]

<div align="center"><span style="color:#000000">"</span>This is a copy of the New World Bible about to be announced to mankind.
<div align="center">New Heart[/quote]

[/b] Watchman,

I just got off the phone with my daughter yesterday after she came home from the circuit assembly in Daytona, Fl. She said a C.O. gave a powerful talk about apostasy. You were the one they were referring to as sending letters and deceiving many elders all over into opening them. He was saying this is a trick satan uses to deceive them. So to them, they class you right up there in the same catogory as satan himself. They also warned everyone again to stay off the net, because the consider you evil and delusioned by satan himself.

[/b]



Dear sister,

I am curious if you share with your daughter what you share here, such as the new world bible, so she can share it with her congregation, so they also can gain the knowledge you possess?


Sincerely,
James
</div>

[NEW HEART]

Thanks for laying <strike>YOUR</strike> these cards on the table New Heart.

Personally i wouldn`t listen to much to this guy. He talks about 4-D 100 foot long crystal telepathic computers in another planet called Galactica. It just reminds me of a guy who used to talk about his stereo and home entertainment system.[/b]


He is claiming to be the "COMFORTER" that Jesus sent to lead the whole world back to God, and lead them to all truth. He also said he was agent 666 and we have been led to believe that that number was evil, but I forget what his meaning was. I instantly thought about how the world will be tricked into following the beast. It also says in Rev, 17 :8 that they will wonder (admiringly) , but the ones who do DON"T have their names written in the scroll of life. He is also claiming to be the Holy Spirit helper, in a sense claiming himself to be a God by being God&#39;s mouthpiece spirit helper. There are 10 kings (10 horns)about to be given power and authority with this wild beast for one hour. They will try to get everyone to abandon their beliefs in Jesus, and will try to get the holy ones to listen, but they will never listen and will conquer the beast along with Jesus. This will all begin when Bush and his men are out of the way. Bush is the one who has been trying to prevent this New World plan from happening all along. The new administration is already picked, and they are all for the new false peace plan, which will only last one (symbolic) hour before it fails. I can only wonder what one hour to God is...I was trying to figure it out( maybe 1335 literal days???)

[NEW HEART]

<div class='quotemain'><div align="center"><span style="color:#000000">"</span>This is a copy of the New World Bible about to be announced to mankind.
<div align="center">New Heart[/quote]

[/b] Watchman,

I just got off the phone with my daughter yesterday after she came home from the circuit assembly in Daytona, Fl. She said a C.O. gave a powerful talk about apostasy. You were the one they were referring to as sending letters and deceiving many elders all over into opening them. He was saying this is a trick satan uses to deceive them. So to them, they class you right up there in the same catogory as satan himself. They also warned everyone again to stay off the net, because the consider you evil and delusioned by satan himself.

[/b]



Dear sister,

I am curious if you share with your daughter what you share here, such as the new world bible, so she can share it with her congregation, so they also can gain the knowledge you possess?


Sincerely,
James
</div>
[/b][/quote]
Dear James, I just came across this New world bible just a few days ago. This bible is really going to be used as a blasphemy to Jehovah, and men will be expected to study this. There will be seminars worldwide to educate the public to satans fake peace plan to try to rule for one hour before God destroys those who listen to this deceiving operation of error that Jehovah allows to happen as a test to see who will follow it. Why do you think they have so many UFO things on TV now? This is all part of the plan. I don&#39;t believe this New World bible thing, but many will think this is the greatest thing and will be all for it.

[Steadfast]

Dear Sister New Heart,

I&#39;m so glad you figured it out. :188:

I think these types of individuals will only increase, and will even get much worse as we enter into the great tribulation:

Matthew 24:24 - &#39;For false Christs (anointeds) and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.&#39;

Love,

Steadfast

[Jeshurun]

Watchman,

I just got off the phone with my daughter yesterday after she came home from the circuit assembly in Daytona, Fl. She said a C.O. gave a powerful talk about apostasy. You were the one they were referring to as sending letters and deceiving many elders all over into opening them. He was saying this is a trick satan uses to deceive them. So to them, they class you right up there in the same catogory as satan himself. They also warned everyone again to stay off the net, because the consider you evil and delusioned by satan himself.[/b]

That&#39;s the best news I&#39;ve heard in a while.

I&#39;ve come to learn that if the GB calls you evil, there&#39;s a good chance that you&#39;re doing something right. They don&#39;t spend much time talking about things that are obviously evil, like Wiccanism or Freemasonry.

I&#39;ve seen what seems to me to be conclusive proof that the GB has people monitoring this website and a few others. They&#39;re fully aware that they&#39;re being exposed, and even though they know, and we know, and everybody knows, that Jehovah is never wrong, they can be wrong; and yet nobody can say anything about it because accusing them of being wrong is like accusing Jehovah of being wrong. That&#39;s how firmly they&#39;ve entrenched themselves in the Temple of the True God, and the masses are so thoroughly deluded, through fear of expulsion, and being cast off into the second death, that they can never see this. All the while they&#39;ve had Armageddon hanging over everyone&#39;s head for the last 120 years.

Newheart, I&#39;m so glad to know you&#39;re not following that guy, or his new and improved Bible. I don&#39;t know how he gets around this, though:

18 "I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.

One more thought, nobody is going to be tricked into taking the mark. The mark won&#39;t be implemented until Babylon falls, and Satan comes out of the closet to demand the overt worship has has coveted since the beginning. The Bible says they will worship the beast, because it performs great signs. These people have not read the Bible, therefore they have never shown an interest in learning about God. But I&#39;m fully convinced that things will happen, when Babylon falls, that will force the world to know, without a doubt, that Jehovah the God of Israel inspired the Bible and they will, all of them, know the issues, and will willingly worship Satan, because they have no interest in the truth, only their present lifestyles, or whatever they can do to live that lifestyle that they love to the greatest extent possible. So, they get to "believing the lie", because they simply do not love the truth.

Agape
Lou

[Nash]

Deleted.

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

[stayawake]

Dear newheart
thank you for clearing that up,that it was he and not you that was presenting the things to come. Some one like that would have you believe you have visions.
Thats part of the game. AGAIN MIND CONTROL>

Like it was brought out there will be many more to come along.
Ones best stand on that rubbage is not to give it ( THEM ) any of our time . We cannot partake of the table of demons and Jehovah too.
We must hate the one and love the other.
love stayawake

[NEW HEART]

Personally I am not deluded by you Newheart, are you still claiming to be a channel for communication from the Holy Spirit? You are simply backing off because you fear being excluded from the DB aren&#39;t you?

EF[/b]

When did I ever claim that? Why attack me? I am not trying to delude anyone. I said not to follow this guy, so what are you talking about?

[NEW HEART]

Personally I am not deluded by you Newheart, are you still claiming to be a channel for communication from the Holy Spirit? You are simply backing off because you fear being excluded from the DB aren&#39;t you?

EF[/b]


at least I don&#39;t pick a picture to represent myself using a Roman Soldier killer.

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

[NEW HEART]

<div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Personally I am not deluded by you Newheart, are you still claiming to be a channel for communication from the Holy Spirit? You are simply backing off because you fear being excluded from the DB aren&#39;t you?

EF[/b]


at least I don&#39;t pick a picture to represent myself using a Roman Soldier killer.
[/b][/quote]


Actually it is a complete suit of armor........Ephesians 6:11-18, and I think with you on this site, I am pleased I have it.
[/b][/quote]

Oh..to me it looks like the roman soldier who killed Jesus. Oh, and you never answered my question.

[NEW HEART]

Hmm...Eli...isnt that short for Eli-jah? Eli-jahs enemy?

[billy]

<div class='quotemain'>Watchman,

I just got off the phone with my daughter yesterday after she came home from the circuit assembly in Daytona, Fl. She said a C.O. gave a powerful talk about apostasy. You were the one they were referring to as sending letters and deceiving many elders all over into opening them. He was saying this is a trick satan uses to deceive them. So to them, they class you right up there in the same catogory as satan himself. They also warned everyone again to stay off the net, because the consider you evil and delusioned by satan himself.[/b]

That&#39;s the best news I&#39;ve heard in a while.

I&#39;ve come to learn that if the GB calls you evil, there&#39;s a good chance that you&#39;re doing something right. They don&#39;t spend much time talking about things that are obviously evil, like Wiccanism or Freemasonry.

I&#39;ve seen what seems to me to be conclusive proof that the GB has people monitoring this website and a few others. They&#39;re fully aware that they&#39;re being exposed, and even though they know, and we know, and everybody knows, that Jehovah is never wrong, they can be wrong; and yet nobody can say anything about it because accusing them of being wrong is like accusing Jehovah of being wrong. That&#39;s how firmly they&#39;ve entrenched themselves in the Temple of the True God, and the masses are so thoroughly deluded, through fear of expulsion, and being cast off into the second death, that they can never see this. All the while they&#39;ve had Armageddon hanging over everyone&#39;s head for the last 120 years.

Newheart, I&#39;m so glad to know you&#39;re not following that guy, or his new and improved Bible. I don&#39;t know how he gets around this, though:

18 "I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.

One more thought, nobody is going to be tricked into taking the mark. The mark won&#39;t be implemented until Babylon falls, and Satan comes out of the closet to demand the overt worship has has coveted since the beginning. The Bible says they will worship the beast, because it performs great signs. These people have not read the Bible, therefore they have never shown an interest in learning about God. But I&#39;m fully convinced that things will happen, when Babylon falls, that will force the world to know, without a doubt, that Jehovah the God of Israel inspired the Bible and they will, all of them, know the issues, and will willingly worship Satan, because they have no interest in the truth, only their present lifestyles, or whatever they can do to live that lifestyle that they love to the greatest extent possible. So, they get to "believing the lie", because they simply do not love the truth.

Agape
Lou
[/b][/quote]


I got the impression this character wasnt actually using the Holy Bible - just some channeled information in creating a new type of "Bible"

theres been a number of these type of "bibles" going around - THe Secret - A Course in Miracles - to name a few - and the people who combine these beliefs systems claim they got some of the information through channeling - they have been very popular in my area

[Eli&#39;s Foe]

I have removed my posts on this topic and will keep my thoughts on the situation to myself. Time will tell but I have no desire to engage in a public slanging match with anyone.

If anyone else is offended by my avatar or my name please tell me and I will make a change. I thought the avatar was appropriate as the WTS has long illustrated Ephesians 6:11-18 using the Roman soldier&#39;s equipment.

EF

[billy]

I have removed my posts on this topic and will keep my thoughts on the situation to myself. Time will tell but I have no desire to engage in a public slanging match with anyone.

If anyone else is offended by my avatar or my name please tell me and I will make a change. I thought the avatar was appropriate as the WTS has long illustrated Ephesians 6:11-18 using the Roman soldier&#39;s equipment.

EF[/b]


Hello Eli&#39;s Foe

I&#39;m not offended by your avatar - especailly how you explained the meaning of how we need to be wearng the suit of armour - it&#39;s a protection for us when we are having missiles thrown at us- sometimes we all (including myself) need to be reminded to hold up our shield of faith - faith in God&#39;s word - if someone slaps you on the right cheek turn out the left one also

now when i see your avatar I will think of our christian suit of armour

[Berean]

I&#39;m also reminded of 2 Timothy 2:3, where we are likened to soldiers of Christ Jesus, and of the example set by Cornelius, who was a soldier when he learnt the truth.

[Jinnvisible]

I thought the avatar was appropriate as the WTS has long illustrated Ephesians 6:11-18 using the Roman soldier&#39;s equipment. EF[/b]

The avatar is fine by me, very biblical.

[stayawake]

EF
I really never noticed your avatar before
but your reason for using it , is scriptual

Now that we all know what it stands for,
why change it !!!

[dgibson]

<div class='quotemain'>Watchman,

I just got off the phone with my daughter yesterday after she came home from the circuit assembly in Daytona, Fl. She said a C.O. gave a powerful talk about apostasy. You were the one they were referring to as sending letters and deceiving many elders all over into opening them. He was saying this is a trick satan uses to deceive them. So to them, they class you right up there in the same catogory as satan himself. They also warned everyone again to stay off the net, because the consider you evil and delusioned by satan himself.[/b]

Thanks for that report Sister. It is encouraging to know that some elders are reading what I send out. I must admit to indulging in a bit of trickery this last time. On the original massive NGO mailout a couple of years ago I had very few return to sender returns. But in the child abuse mailout last October there was a much higher percentage returned. So, although this latest mailout was not nearly as extensive as the previous ones I started addressing the letters to the congregation secretary knowing that they would probably think it was some publisher record cards or something of that nature. I hope to do another mailout soon, as world conditions warrant.

Watchman
[/b][/quote]


Way to go EW, they seemed to dislike you using the same kind of trickery, that they have for years, encouraged pioneers, and publishers to employ, to get their message thru to people of the world.