Being the Outcast.

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A.M.S.

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Jess said:
Well, its now been about 9 months in my new congregation and also 9 months since I spoke out in service one day in defense of some terrible banter I witnessed against unvaccinated ones. Since then I have been pretty much treated like I have Ebola or Patient X, despite being somewhat of a "health fanatic" and natural health practitioner myself.

There is only one somewhat older sister in the hall who still does have some contact with me. Its' usually to help out in some "contactless" way with ones in the hall or her Bible Students.

Anyway, the continued lunacy of today's "errand" to help out one her Bible Student's got me feeling down. I have been asked to install the new JW update on a Bible students iPad ( Student doesn't have internet) and I also have a item to drop by her home which is nearby as well.

In both cases with the updating the iPad for the Bible student and dropping the item by her home and per usual-I have been instructed to remain completely contactless.

Hardly anyone else in this entire state is still carrying on these charades except Witnesses. This just makes me feel so sad. Even the Bible Student who really likes me is so confused by it 😢

Under normal circumstances, I would be happy to help but this treatment makes it feel like more of a bummer. Trying not to be resentful and constantly repeating Jesus' words in my head "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do" but man its really getting hard

Alas, here I go...driving 45 away minutes to complete this task to possibly only be peeked at from behind a window pane for "the danger" I pose to the brothers and sisters 🙏
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I can relate in a number of ways. My immediate relations - parents, sister - are all jabbed and are telling me to do the same, otherwise I won't be allowed to meet my nephew for the first time.

I mean, do I love them? Yes. Do I feel bad for not meeting my nephew? Yes, but I don't need to have that constantly shoved in my face. Am I going to give in to their, for lack of a better word, "ransom demand?" No. Am I selfish for it? I don't think so. It's just every time this comes up, my resentment toward them only grows. I too struggle to, as Jesus said. "forgive them, for they know not what they do." It's getting to the point where - and I need some honest input on this - I may end up removing them from my life altogether, cutting all ties.
 
MickHewitt

MickHewitt

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A.M.S. said:
I can relate in a number of ways. My immediate relations - parents, sister - are all jabbed and are telling me to do the same, otherwise I won't be allowed to meet my nephew for the first time.

I mean, do I love them? Yes. Do I feel bad for not meeting my nephew? Yes, but I don't need to have that constantly shoved in my face. Am I going to give in to their, for lack of a better word, "ransom demand?" No. Am I selfish for it? I don't think so. It's just every time this comes up, my resentment toward them only grows. I too struggle to, as Jesus said. "forgive them, for they know not what they do." It's getting to the point where - and I need some honest input on this - I may end up removing them from my life altogether, cutting all ties.
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A.M.S. said:
I can relate in a number of ways. My immediate relations - parents, sister - are all jabbed and are telling me to do the same, otherwise I won't be allowed to meet my nephew for the first time.

I mean, do I love them? Yes. Do I feel bad for not meeting my nephew? Yes, but I don't need to have that constantly shoved in my face. Am I going to give in to their, for lack of a better word, "ransom demand?" No. Am I selfish for it? I don't think so. It's just every time this comes up, my resentment toward them only grows. I too struggle to, as Jesus said. "forgive them, for they know not what they do." It's getting to the point where - and I need some honest input on this - I may end up removing them from my life altogether, cutting all ties.
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Your asking for something only you can answer....There is a big mixed bag here. Ones who made a decision and are happy and those who have remained within and I am grateful for those who remained because it's the only insight to what is going on at congregation level. I left over 3 yr back and I have not regretted. My lonliness has brought me closer to He who matters because of neccessity and broken heartedness.
 
StillA_WorshiperOfJah

StillA_WorshiperOfJah

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MickHewitt said:
Yes the opportunity for French to showpiece their technology and have one over on their old nemesis the British....cruel brittania
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My response was a reaction to the way Jess is being treated by her congregation.
I think Barnaby TD make a joke about the French, but I wasn't involved in that banter.
 
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Medi-tator

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A.M.S. said:
It's getting to the point where - and I need some honest input on this - I may end up removing them from my life altogether, cutting all ties.
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Hi A.M.S.,

Don't dump them yet. This one needs to percolate a bit more to see what transpires in the near future. It could go both ways but if it goes good, then you will be glad you did not act in haste. If it goes badly, then you have additional fodder for a more solid answer. Mick is right, you are really the only one who can answer this for yourself. Maybe ask Jehovah for help dealing with their feeding your resentment levels. I feel for you so much and I hope things get better for you very soon!!
 
יהוה_saves

יהוה_saves

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surfergirl said:
But I can try to help others by sharing scriptures, and showing personal interest, and listening to their concerns.
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that’s what i do @surfergirl. i share bible verses, concepts, ideas.

two nights ago i had a long conversation with my son (not the one shunning me) and he got it! i was so happy- he listened and even read
about the rise of the 8th King in Rev, and its limited reign of 42 months, and other things. he was shocked to his senses that the bible contained these truths. i sent him the link to this forum too- perhaps if u notice a guest, it could be my son, his name is Shantik- he is such a good son to me. i love him very much- he refuses the vax and stands with me and Jehovah. My oldest son Anton is shunning me, unfortunately. it’s very painful for me.

AnywY- you just have to witness when you can/how you can, to those who will listen.

I will not direct ANYBODY, ever, to JW dot org.
 
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surfergirl

surfergirl

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Asadour said:
two nights ago i had a long conversation with my son (not the one shunning me) and he got it! i was so happy- he listened and even read
about the rise of the 8th King in Rev, and its limited reign of 42 months, and other things. he was shocked to his senses that the bible contained these truths. i sent him the link to this forum too- perhaps if u notice a guest, it could be my son, his name is Shantik- he is such a good son to me. i love him very much- he refuses the vax and stands with me and Jehovah. My oldest son Anton is shunning me, unfortunately. it’s very painful for me.

AnywY- you just have to witness when you can/how you can, to those who will listen.

I will not direct ANYBODY, ever, to JW dot org.
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That is so impressive! I'm still struggling to comprehend some the new things - But I just share what I do understand well enough. I'm very happy for you. 🥰
 
יהוה_saves

יהוה_saves

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surfergirl said:
That is so impressive! I'm still struggling to comprehend some the new things - But I just share what I do understand well enough. I'm very happy for you. 🥰
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he has a very good bible foundation- i studied with my kids but none of them ever got baptized because my husband wouldn’t allow it. they stopped coming to meeting with me when they got to be teenagers.

My oldest one, Anton is unbaptized (that i know of) but shuns me anyway- he calls himself a JW.

Shantik was so fascinated by the 8th King- he said he would refuse the mark and i said they may kill you for refusing, and he said so what- that Jehovah was bring him back. He said: even if i take the mark there is no guarantee they won’t still kill me.
 
surfergirl

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Asadour said:
Shantik was so fascinated by the 8th King- he said he would refuse the mark and i said they may kill you for refusing, and he said so what- that Jehovah was bring him back. He said: even if i take the mark there is no guarantee they won’t still kill me.
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He sounds very spiritual minded! - with a deep faith. Hopefully we will survive all this, but visualizing the resurrection will keep us relatively calm❤️🥰 - keep us posted -this is very encouraging!
 
יהוה_saves

יהוה_saves

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surfergirl said:
He sounds very spiritual minded! - with a deep faith. Hopefully we will survive all this, but visualizing the resurrection will keep us relatively calm❤️🥰 - keep us posted -this is very encouraging!
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thank you @surfergirl - your kind words meen so much to me.

yes the resurrection will keep us from panicking- so will knowing that the 8th King gets only 42 months. it’s not a lifetime- not even close.
 
surfergirl

surfergirl

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Asadour said:
thank you @surfergirl - your kind words meen so much to me.

yes the resurrection will keep us from panicking- so will knowing that the 8th King gets only 42 months. it’s not a lifetime- not even close.
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This is true, but I know it depends on our mental attitude, our faithfulness, our constant prayers to Jehovah God - I don't feel I'll ever really be ready, but we're gonna do this anyway! I'm gonna be begging for mercy! o_O
 
Jess

Jess

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Asadour said:
@Jess

im utterly speechless. this is quite unusual for me.

just speechless.

all i can say is that im sorry. this is not right.
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Thanks @Asadour. It is pretty unreal when the people in the world treat you way better than your JW brothers and sisters do 😔. I don’t understand it how their fear continues in such a strange manor. What happened to fear and faith cant occupy the same space? Jesus with the lepers anyone anyone? Alas…the conditioning has been done and here we are. I kind of feel like it’s a competition now to get “the gold star” for being “the safest”. Whatever “safe”means to them these days-seems to be taking experimental gene therapies, limiting oxygen, isolating themselves and implementing discriminatory practices.
 
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MuleJule

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Jess said:
Anyway, the continued lunacy of today's "errand" to help out one her Bible Student's got me feeling down... per usual-I have been instructed to remain completely contactless.
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Jess, you are justified for feeling downhearted over this. It is lunacy. I am seeing so many inconsistencies it makes my head spin. What I'm wondering with this situation is ... are these people going to the in-person meetings, and if so, why the insistence on remaining contactless? Are they not sitting directly next to one another, brushing shoulders etc? Is it because you are not juiced-up she feels you should distance yourself? Just curious because there are so many strange concepts floating around here too.

I haven't been back to in-person meetings but my husband and daughter go, and they say everyone is masked. Last weekend we were pressed by Field Service Group Overseer to join the entire group for hospitality (feeding the speaker after meeting) at his home. That would mean about 20-25 people if everyone showed up. He assured us, don't worry you don't have to wear a mask, nobody will be wearing masks. Fine, but why is it such a big deal at meetings and then 10 minutes later it's irrelevant? (We didn't attend, btw.)

My family is unjabbed, and probably everyone is aware, but this apparently didn't matter to our FSG overseer. And I've noticed in our city most stores & restaurants are basically returning to "normal" and hardly anyone wears masks.
 
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