Adam and Eve question

LifeLearning

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if life is precious to Jehovah, why would he command the army of Israel to put children to death
This is a good question, one that I have also considered because it was hard to reconcile. My reasoning is that Jehovah knows the outcome of things, and for him to intervene must have been to suit his purpose. In the case of the Amalekites, it is possible they were going to become an insurmountable opponent for Israel... or something else that is not up to me know know as I am a spec of sand, and not someone to ask for an account from Jehovah. (Job 9:1-12)

The same question would apply to the flood. When it came to the flood, there was nobody worthy of saving but Noah. How do you say that about little children? Even if raised by the wicked are they innocent? In the law there was such a thing as: "bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me" (ex20:5). This changed at some point(s) i.e. Ez 18:29,30... and if we look at it from different perspectives I think we will find that there was good reason on the Part of our God.
 

Paz

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When Eve sinned....what IF Adam had of rebuked her and stayed obedient to God. Yes, she would then eventually die within God's day....some 900 years later. But since we're playing hypothetical here, lets say via God's allowing...Adam then cohabitated w/his then suddenly sinful , imperfect wife Eve.... and bore children with her.... do you actually think such a union would have bore "perfect" offspring? I argue a perfect man who impregnated an imperfect vessel yields an imperfect child, albeit likely more robust, healthier and more handsome than two imperfect souls. Nonetheless, death would still be imminent for the child because the female host was flawed. Under that premise....a 1st century argument over such a predicament is therefore a mute point. :) 😀 Ahhhh, it lovely being right. Lol
Hi JehChariot, Adam chose to eat the fruit , only after his sin did they realise they were dirty and naked. The scriptures say she was ‘thoughly deceived’. This means when she sinned her sin (was only activated with her husband’s consent) was in subjection to her husbands who could cancelled it out. The sin due to the marital law of Jehovah only became activated when Adam took the lead and initiaited it. So if Adam had been a man and loved his sojourn with his Father over the 40 yrs or so he would have trusted his father to resolve the problem. He would not have hidden from the voice from the wind, at teatime, he instead would have been tearful and thrown himself on Jehovah having faith in his fathers love. Jehovah then in his great love for his earthly children would have been informed of the serpents cunning, and Jehovah through the ‘word’ would have dwelt with Satan in his own chosen manner. Eve would also know her husband loved her and protected her and Adam would not have treated her as men ‘dominant’ women in our sinful world. So human perfection (full obedience) would have been preserved. Of course the issue had been brought up by Lucifer!
Yes, they would have been perfect! For an absolute fact perfect. Are you going to argue that the imperfect genes of a sinful woman would have overruled the genes of a perfect man. And why did it only require the blood of the "second Adam" to redeem Adam's offspring and not the blood of a perfect man and a perfect woman? BTW, the WT agrees with me on this one and I agree with them! You lose! :LOL:
Hi Nomex nice new pic, sorry to say this but Jesus sperm would not be perfect if he copied the fallen angels and started his own bloodline, he came to ransom humanity not start his own dynasty but acting independently from his God and Father who by this act would betray him meaning his perfection would be lost , and humanity s as well. Christian regards Paz
 

Paz

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Are there scriptures to show there is not going to be a resurrection for Adam and Eve ? Or is it assumed since they started off perfect and failed that they lose out on life forever?
Hi SkinnyAnd Short, this is a view that certain bible student groups hold, the view because Jesus gave his life for ‘all’ means everyone including Adam & Eve, if this reason is extended it means that Judas is as well and many others. but as most on this forum say the reason they don’t is explainEd by other answers. Regards P.
 

The God Pill

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On why Jehovah was not fond of Amalekites the answer is very clear they had no natural affection and were murderously treacherous to there distant kin first when the sons of Esau went to war trying to kill Jacob and his sons (jubilees) then ambushing the Israelites umprovoked during the Exodus. There ancestor Amalek was Eliphaz's son quite possibly the same Eliphaz in Job through his concubine Timna. Additionally it's quite possible they lived with no regard to Jehovah's prohibition of the consumption of blood Amalek is etymologised as am lak, 'a people who lick (blood)
 
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BillyRay

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Hi JehChariot, Adam chose to eat the fruit , only after his sin did they realise they were dirty and naked. The scriptures say she was ‘thoughly deceived’. This means when she sinned her sin (was only activated with her husband’s consent) was in subjection to her husbands who could cancelled it out. The sin due to the marital law of Jehovah only became activated when Adam took the lead and initiaited it. So if Adam had been a man and loved his sojourn with his Father over the 40 yrs or so he would have trusted his father to resolve the problem. He would not have hidden from the voice from the wind, at teatime, he instead would have been tearful and thrown himself on Jehovah having faith in his fathers love. Jehovah then in his great love for his earthly children would have been informed of the serpents cunning, and Jehovah through the ‘word’ would have dwelt with Satan in his own chosen manner. Eve would also know her husband loved her and protected her and Adam would not have treated her as men ‘dominant’ women in our sinful world. So human perfection (full obedience) would have been preserved. Of course the issue had been brought up by Lucifer!

Hi Nomex nice new pic, sorry to say this but Jesus sperm would not be perfect if he copied the fallen angels and started his own bloodline, he came to ransom humanity not start his own dynasty but acting independently from his God and Father who by this act would betray him meaning his perfection would be lost , and humanity s as well. Christian regards Paz
Jesus was born a perfect human. Mary, having been impregnated by Jehovah, is far different than how the rebellious angels became human.
Hi JehChariot, Adam chose to eat the fruit , only after his sin did they realise they were dirty and naked. The scriptures say she was ‘thoughly deceived’. This means when she sinned her sin (was only activated with her husband’s consent) was in subjection to her husbands who could cancelled it out. The sin due to the marital law of Jehovah only became activated when Adam took the lead and initiaited it. So if Adam had been a man and loved his sojourn with his Father over the 40 yrs or so he would have trusted his father to resolve the problem. He would not have hidden from the voice from the wind, at teatime, he instead would have been tearful and thrown himself on Jehovah having faith in his fathers love. Jehovah then in his great love for his earthly children would have been informed of the serpents cunning, and Jehovah through the ‘word’ would have dwelt with Satan in his own chosen manner. Eve would also know her husband loved her and protected her and Adam would not have treated her as men ‘dominant’ women in our sinful world. So human perfection (full obedience) would have been preserved. Of course the issue had been brought up by Lucifer!

Hi Nomex nice new pic, sorry to say this but Jesus sperm would not be perfect if he copied the fallen angels and started his own bloodline, he came to ransom humanity not start his own dynasty but acting independently from his God and Father who by this act would betray him meaning his perfection would be lost , and humanity s as well. Christian regards Paz
Jesus was born a perfect human. Mary, having been impregnated by Jehovah, is far different than how the rebellious angels became human.
 
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Paz

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Jesus was born a perfect human. Mary, having been impregnated by Jehovah, is far different than how the rebellious angels became human.

Jesus was born a perfect human. Mary, having been impregnated by Jehovah, is far different than how the rebellious angels became human.
Jesus was born a perfect human. Mary, having been impregnated by Jehovah, is far different than how the rebellious angels became human.

Jesus was born a perfect human. Mary, having been impregnated by Jehovah, is far different than how the rebellious angels became human.
Hi BillyRay, I agree, If Jesus chose to breach his commitment to die and impregnate an imperfect human woman he would by his disobedience make himself imperfect. The offspring would likely be able to have children since he was humanly perfect. As you say the angels were not they had put on flesh and mimickEd sperm. P.
 

Paz

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That is in the Insight book. Jesus' genes would be dominant becasue he was perfect. He did not need a perfect wife, his children would have been perfect because perfection would be the dominant gene. And the fact that we only needed one redeemer, and not 2, a man and woman, testifies to that fact also. But the fact is the Bible makes a very specific point to talk about "seed". It is a recurring theme through out the Bible.



That's not even the real issue. The issue is if Jesus had had children, then Adam's children/offspring could never be redeemed if his offspring would have remained faithful. Yes they would go "extinct", but only because they were sinful and that sin condemned them all to die. So to the point, Jesus did not just sacrifice his life, he sacrificed the lives of any children he could have had, and adopted Adam's children! This is in line with what Jehovah did with the first human rebels. Rather than kill them and start new, he allowed the challenge to his ruler-ship and sovereignty to play out. In order to set right his original purpose, a perfect man had to lay down his life for all mankind, and I suspect, if Jesus had chosen to take a wife and have children, that would not have been a sin, because to be "created" that way in human form and have children was God's purpose but of course that would not redeem Adam's children. In fact this would make it all the more difficult for Jesus to resist Satan, if all he had to do was decide to have a family.
Hi nice answer.
 

Revvzone

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Are there scriptures to show there is not going to be a resurrection for Adam and Eve ? Or is it assumed since they started off perfect and failed that they lose out on life forever?
No..Adam and Eve are gone forever.. Jesus's sacrifice replaced what Adam lost, that is why Jesus is known as the last Adam..
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. . . . The first man Adam became a living being, the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. " (1 Corinthians 15:21-22; 15:45-47). Paul recognized an interesting parallel, as well as contrast, between Adam and Jesus... That is why Jesus is referred to as the eternal father, prince of peace of Humankind..
Anyway..I've always wanted to know what they looked like...
 
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