Did Dragons Ever Exist?

Jahrule

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I believe most dinosaurs died during Noah's flood and shortly after it too.
Naw. Only young earth creationists think that. Dinosaurs died out about 65 million years ago. Unless you count modern birds, in which case dinosaurs still exist. I am not a YEC. The flood had nothing to do with dinosaurs. It was primarily about corruption and ending the offspring of fallen angels. Noah was not Fred Flinston
 
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Soul Sage

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Naw. Only young earth creationists think that. Dinosaurs died out about 65 million years ago. Unless you count modern birds, in which case dinosaurs still exist. I am not a YEC. The flood had nothing to do with dinosaurs. It was primarily about corruption and ending the offspring of fallen angels. Noah was not Fred Flinston

I used to believe in many millions of years too. The more I studied radio carbon dating the more I realized it was a hoax to give support for their evolution theory, cause they need millions and billions of years for their timeline to make evolution make more sense. There was also proof that there was cells in dinosaur bone marrow that proved that dinosaurs are not millions of years old, they would fully disintegrate. Those scientists got "cancelled" from science journals because they weren't allowed to say that they had such findings as it would discredit evolutionary theory. It took me some time to do research as I didn't believe it right away, but the more I researched the more I realized it was true. School lied to you and me. The earth was made for humans in mind. There's no way Jehovah would wait millions of years to create mankind when Adam and Eve existed about 6000 years ago. So I did start believing in young earth. We don't know for sure how old earth is but it's not millions or billions of years old. Maybe its tens of thousands years old.

Also, fun fact. Charles Taze Russell also believed dinosaurs lived with humans. With brachiosaurus, the long neck sauropods in the photodrama illustration walking among people.
 
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Jahrule

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I used to believe in many millions of years too. The more I studied radio carbon dating the more I realized it was a hoax to give support for their evolution theory, cause they need millions and billions of years for their timeline to make evolution make more sense. There was also proof that there was cells in dinosaur bone marrow that proved that dinosaurs are not millions of years old, they would fully disintegrate. Those scientists got "cancelled" from science journals because they weren't allowed to say that they had such findings as it would discredit evolutionary theory. It took me some time to do research as I didn't believe it right away, but the more I researched the more I realized it was true. School lied to you and me. The earth was made for humans in mind. There's no way Jehovah would wait millions of years to create mankind when Adam and Eve existed about 6000 years ago. So I did start believing in young earth. We don't know for sure how old earth is but it's not millions or billions of years old. Maybe its tens of thousands years old.

Also, fun fact. Charles Taze Russell also believed dinosaurs lived with humans. With brachiosaurus, the long neck sauropods in the photodrama illustration walking among people.
This is only true if by research you mean creationist sources, such as answers in genesis. Their whole carbon dating nonsense that they spout on and off about again and again is more proof of the Dunning-Kruger effect than anything resembling actual research. For one, they have no clue what they are talking about. Carbon dating only works up to about 50,000 years, and it has to be at least 500 years old. These wackadoos be trying to carbon date stuff that has no carbon in it. They literally lack even a rudimentary understanding of actual science.

If you ask me, they do more harm to the cause than they help because their ignorance looks bad on us. I see no problem with evolution. I think humans were a special creation a relatively short time ago compared to the environment we were created in. Humans were formed in an already growing ecosystem that dated back billions of years in the making. That might cause certain people to have a crisis of faith, but for me it would change nothing about God's purpose for us or the earth. In fact, the older the world is the more valuable and special paradise would become because the vast majority of its existence prior was etched in mostly blood and suffering.

 

kirmmy

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Dunning-Kruger effect
That's a common thing here unfortunately.

Although I can't get behind your belief in evolution I do think the earth and life on it is as old as science believes. Genesis simply doesn't give the length of God's creative days. They could have been 100s of millions of years each. As long as the order of creation is correct then there is nothing to worry about. And it appears that it is.

If you believe in the biotic production of hydrocarbon...fossil fuels, then God would need time and lots and lots of life to create the great storehouses of energy we have on earth today. Personally I think abiotic and biotic creation of hydrocarbons are both possible.

Regarding evolution, I can't agree because the Bible says that God brought forth animals according to their kinds. Gen 1:25. Of course, that doesn't discount the fact that life is incredibly adaptive. Look at all the variety we see in canids. Wolves, coyotes, dogs of so many kinds. Some even say that bears are related to dogs but I don't know about that. Same with birds and every other "kind" I can think of.

For that reason alone Noah wouldn't have had to take all the current species of animals on the ark. A couple of canids would have given us coyotes, foxes, jackels and even our old friend the dog.
 

Soul Sage

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This is only true if by research you mean creationist sources, such as answers in genesis. Their whole carbon dating nonsense that they spout on and off about again and again is more proof of the Dunning-Kruger effect than anything resembling actual research. For one, they have no clue what they are talking about. Carbon dating only works up to about 50,000 years, and it has to be at least 500 years old. These wackadoos be trying to carbon date stuff that has no carbon in it. They literally lack even a rudimentary understanding of actual science.

If you ask me, they do more harm to the cause than they help because their ignorance looks bad on us. I see no problem with evolution. I think humans were a special creation a relatively short time ago compared to the environment we were created in. Humans were formed in an already growing ecosystem that dated back billions of years in the making. That might cause certain people to have a crisis of faith, but for me it would change nothing about God's purpose for us or the earth. In fact, the older the world is the more valuable and special paradise would become because the vast majority of its existence prior was etched in mostly blood and suffering.


I watched the video you linked and looked into the person who made that video. A former science journalist. Conflict of interest? I very much think so. Just look at all the Ungodly atheist beliefs he spews in his videos. You should be ashamed of yourself, Jahson. The belief of millions and billions of years old and that humans evolved is a satanic teaching and I'm not going to lay it light on you. You are hugely misguided in your belief.

I get it from many sources, both from creationist and evolutionist and those who think in between that Jehovah made evolution happen which goes against the fact that we are made in God's image. It's why we are the only creation spiritually aware enough to worship God and preach and teach and have congregations worldwide, animals were not given that gift, so it's absolute nonsense to spew that satanic garbage teaching. However, I'm glad you mentioned it so now you can look into matters again and see how wrong you are. Iron sharpens iron afterall.

Carbon dating is very inaccurate like mentioned in the video. And all the variables that come with it, like species type and the region they lived in. You don't evaluate all variables. Plus, I believe Noah's flood did happen and that makes carbon dating even more inaccurate as practically all things were underwater some 5000 years ago. Soaking in water and mud would make carbon dating null. And it's no wonder that it's impossible to carbon date anything 5000 years or more.
All the young earth creationist say it's inaccurate as does the guy in the video but he takes Kent Hovinds words out of context. If you go to the actual source of Kent Hovinds videos, that would be a better source and you can see how it conflicts with what this idiot has to say who takes his words out of context for pushing his own narrative.

I don't know how an idiot like that convinces a so called Christian like you. I feel embarrassed for you and hopefully you wake up with new found knowledge on this subject. I apologize if I sound harsh but I have no chill when it comes to "Evilution" in any form.
 

Jahrule

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I watched the video you linked and looked into the person who made that video. A former science journalist. Conflict of interest? I very much think so. Just look at all the Ungodly atheist beliefs he spews in his videos. You should be ashamed of yourself, Jahson. The belief of millions and billions of years old and that humans evolved is a satanic teaching and I'm not going to lay it light on you. You are hugely misguided in your belief.

I get it from many sources, both from creationist and evolutionist and those who think in between that Jehovah made evolution happen which goes against the fact that we are made in God's image. It's why we are the only creation spiritually aware enough to worship God and preach and teach and have congregations worldwide, animals were not given that gift, so it's absolute nonsense to spew that satanic garbage teaching. However, I'm glad you mentioned it so now you can look into matters again and see how wrong you are. Iron sharpens iron afterall.

Carbon dating is very inaccurate like mentioned in the video. And all the variables that come with it, like species type and the region they lived in. You don't evaluate all variables. Plus, I believe Noah's flood did happen and that makes carbon dating even more inaccurate as practically all things were underwater some 5000 years ago. Soaking in water and mud would make carbon dating null. And it's no wonder that it's impossible to carbon date anything 5000 years or more.
All the young earth creationist say it's inaccurate as does the guy in the video but he takes Kent Hovinds words out of context. If you go to the actual source of Kent Hovinds videos, that would be a better source and you can see how it conflicts with what this idiot has to say who takes his words out of context for pushing his own narrative.

I don't know how an idiot like that convinces a so called Christian like you. I feel embarrassed for you and hopefully you wake up with new found knowledge on this subject. I apologize if I sound harsh but I have no chill when it comes to "Evilution" in any form.
If you believe the world is less than 10,000 years old I don't think you have any business calling anyone else an idiot. I don't mean to be harsh but literally no evidence suggests the world is that young. Biology, geology, cosmology, literally every discipline in science points to a far older earth. I believe in God. I just don't believe in a deceptive God who plants misleading information to make us believe the world is older than it really is.


Are JWs Young Earth Creationist?
(Hint : They are not, according to the Watchtower)
 
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Jahrule

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That's a common thing here unfortunately.

Although I can't get behind your belief in evolution I do think the earth and life on it is as old as science believes. Genesis simply doesn't give the length of God's creative days. They could have been 100s of millions of years each. As long as the order of creation is correct then there is nothing to worry about. And it appears that it is.

If you believe in the biotic production of hydrocarbon...fossil fuels, then God would need time and lots and lots of life to create the great storehouses of energy we have on earth today. Personally I think abiotic and biotic creation of hydrocarbons are both possible.

Regarding evolution, I can't agree because the Bible says that God brought forth animals according to their kinds. Gen 1:25. Of course, that doesn't discount the fact that life is incredibly adaptive. Look at all the variety we see in canids. Wolves, coyotes, dogs of so many kinds. Some even say that bears are related to dogs but I don't know about that. Same with birds and every other "kind" I can think of.

For that reason alone Noah wouldn't have had to take all the current species of animals on the ark. A couple of canids would have given us coyotes, foxes, jackels and even our old friend the dog.
I didn't say I believed in evolution. I said I didn't have a problem with it. If animals evolved it doesn't bother me or effect my faith. If God just "poofed" life into existence through dialectical prestidigitation then that's fine too. I'm just saying that evolution or God are not the only two options. In fact, I think life that adapts to a changing environment is a far more perfect creation for an environment that is constantly changing. I have more to say but I gotta go to work. Maybe later tonight.
 
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Soul Sage

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If you believe the world is less than 10,000 years old I don't think you have any business calling anyone else an idiot. I don't mean to be harsh but literally no evidence suggests the world is that young. Biology, geology, cosmology, literally every discipline in science points to a far older earth. I believe in God. I just don't believe in a deceptive God who plants misleading information to make us believe the world is older than it really is.


Are JWs Young Earth Creationist?
(Hint : They are not, according to the Watchtower)

I doubt the earth is less than 10,000 years old. I don't believe in the 24 hour days for years as a day could equal a thousand years to Jehovah's calendar. I do believe a day for Jehovah equals about 1000 years. We use calendar and dates based on the day night cycle. When the whole universe is Jehovah's clock, with planetary alignments telling time.

I think it would take longer than 24 hour hour days because lava takes time to form land, which would take longer than 24 hours. I believe in a more hybrid theory that the earth is tens of thousands of years old and not millions or billions of years old. And unfortunately the science industry takes God out of everything. I seen my fair share of science documentary's and they mostly all avoid mentioning God. It's a giant ponzi scheme of lies. Yes, some of it is true but you take everything with a grain of salt when living in a world full of deception in control of the wicked one. This is Satan's world, so Jehovah does not share in that sort of deception.

I appreciate the article you posted too. It's mainly talking about 24 hour days being literal to what some creationist believe, however, not all creationist agree on that, some believe a day is about a thousand years or 1,260 year range. And when the article says that they don't have a problem agreeing with science in the earth being billions of years old, that is such a cope out. Don't use your mind, listen to what the scientist are saying. Funny that they say that when the founder Charles Taze Russell thought otherwise as illustrated in some parts of the photodrama of creation. Letting secular people think for you never ends well. As we seen with the vaccine pushing. And the creationist science is way more correct than the secularized science, even though they get things wrong at times.
 

Jahrule

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I doubt the earth is less than 10,000 years old. I don't believe in the 24 hour days for years as a day could equal a thousand years to Jehovah's calendar. I do believe a day for Jehovah equals about 1000 years. We use calendar and dates based on the day night cycle. When the whole universe is Jehovah's clock, with planetary alignments telling time.

I think it would take longer than 24 hour hour days because lava takes time to form land, which would take longer than 24 hours. I believe in a more hybrid theory that the earth is tens of thousands of years old and not millions or billions of years old. And unfortunately the science industry takes God out of everything. I seen my fair share of science documentary's and they mostly all avoid mentioning God. It's a giant ponzi scheme of lies. Yes, some of it is true but you take everything with a grain of salt when living in a world full of deception in control of the wicked one. This is Satan's world, so Jehovah does not share in that sort of deception.

I appreciate the article you posted too. It's mainly talking about 24 hour days being literal to what some creationist believe, however, not all creationist agree on that, some believe a day is about a thousand years or 1,260 year range. And when the article says that they don't have a problem agreeing with science in the earth being billions of years old, that is such a cope out. Don't use your mind, listen to what the scientist are saying. Funny that they say that when the founder Charles Taze Russell thought otherwise as illustrated in some parts of the photodrama of creation. Letting secular people think for you never ends well. As we seen with the vaccine pushing. And the creationist science is way more correct than the secularized science, even though they get things wrong at times.
This is slightly more reasonable but there's still a lot to unpack here. For one, I don't point to what scientists say because they are scientists. I point to experts in a particular field because that's their specialty in said field. It's not because they say it that interests me. It's the results I find interesting. Go stand outside and look up at the stars. Most of that light took millions of years to reach us. You could say God just made the light go faster so that we'd have stuff to look at but again, that implies God is trying to trick us into thinking the world is older than it really is.

You called Potholer54 an idiot, which demonstrates to me that you don't understand how science works. I may not always agree with Hadfield (Potholer54), but I see him as a credible source. All he does is read what the data published in peer reviewed journals say. He doesn't give his opinion. That's how science is supposed to work.

Peter Hadfield is the same guy who called out people on his own side for misrepresenting the science on climate change, such as Leonardo DiCaprio and all the other climate alarmist, even though he defends the science surrounding it, he shows people on both sides misrepresent the data to suit there own agenda. The fact he's an atheist means nothing to me. Yeah, he's made videos debunking things like Noah's Ark, but only the view of Noah's Ark as perpetuated by Young Earthers.

This is what I mean by "They do more harm than good," because these nut-bars conflate their opinion with scripture, and when someone disproves their ideas it reflects on the entire Bible -- despite the obvious fact that the truth could be different from what they imagine it to be. This is the danger of making assumptions about what the Bible means by what it says. These idiots claim the flood laid down the sedimentary layers we find when digging under the ground. That kind of claim is testable. The only way that would be true is if there were many floods separated by vast lengths of time. It would flood, then stop for a few hundred thousand years, the flood again, then stop, then flood again. They make these claims because they don't understand enough to understand the variables involved.

What they don't understand, because they lack even a rudimentary understanding of geology, is their claims can be falsified. One dude claimed the grand canyon was formed in 5 minutes by the flood. This is another stupid claim that is easy to disprove. In order for the flood to cover that much distance in 5 minutes (300 miles), the flood waters would have to be traveling 5 times faster than the speed of sound.

If Noah was on that boat, and he was hit by that kind of force he would have been incarcerated. This is only a problem for Creationists. So somebody pops up and disproves their claims, they aren't disproving the Bible, they are only disproving some morons view of how the flood happened. But what happens for the spectators who realize these people are full of BS? It stumbles them. They then think, "Oh well I guess the Bible must be fake because this scientifically illiterate wacko was proved wrong."

That's why I don't take YECs seriously. Yes, atheists have a field day making fun of these idiots. But it's not even about God or the Bible. It's only about the YECs dopey opinions about the bible that make all Christians look like brain dead troglodytes. I believe God created the universe. I don't care how he did it. I don't care if he used evolution or if he just poofed everything into existence ex nihilo. The Bible doesn't really tell us how. It only tells us that he was involved. It was his will. That's all that matters. The details will eventually be made clear. We will have the answers someday. But if people like Kent Hovind, VenomFangX, and Ken Ham have their way, we'd have far more atheists because nobody would ever be able to take them seriously. They're a joke. In case you can't tell, I don't like "Creationism". There is a story behind why I feel that way, but this post is already too long to get into that. Trust me. It's not you. I just have a long history with these losers.

 

Soul Sage

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In the grand scale of things these atheists that you acknowledge already have a hugely distorted worldview. Their foundation of knowledge is flawed and with no foundation, it's nothing more than pseudo science or political science. With Young earth creationists, they have at least a foundation to base their knowledge on because they believe in an intelligent creator and not random chance. Intelligent creator is on the side of order giving life purpose. Random chance of mutations is on the side of chaos and makes our existence meaningless as we are just an accident. Even though the young earth creationists don't have everything right, they have a foundation of knowledge to stand up on and they are less deceived because of that. I guess you can say I'm a young earth creationist too, except I believe a day for a year to God doesn't mean literal days but 1000 years. "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." - 2 Peter 3:8.

Telling us that Jehovah has a different time than us humans so they can't mean literal 24 hour days of creation but based upon 1000 years for a day.

Scientists believe a giant asteroid hit earth and killed off the dinosaurs yet they refuse anything based on a global flood killing off most of creation. When over 300 ancient civilizations all had flood stories passed down through generations. Believing an asteroid hit earth and caused that destruction is absolute stupidity and not based on any historical records. The hydroplate theory through the global flood is what caused the continents to shift away from each other as all continents in Noah's day and earlier were connected through land bridges. And that's how animals from all over the world were able to migrate to Noah's Ark. The hydroplate theory is dismissed by science journals because they refuse to believe a global flood ever happened. This is how hydroplate theory works.
 

Soul Sage

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It sounds like to me you have personal grievances that has caused a negative emotional response about young earth creationist belief. And because of that, it's based on a rough foundation of emotion which discredits your argument even more even after posting those 2 videos of those idiots, pothole and thunderf00t. You obviously have some mental block based on your personal grievance, clouding your soundness of mind.
 

Jahrule

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In the grand scale of things these atheists that you acknowledge already have a hugely distorted worldview. Their foundation of knowledge is flawed and with no foundation, it's nothing more than pseudo science or political science. With Young earth creationists, they have at least a foundation to base their knowledge on because they believe in an intelligent creator and not random chance.
Except nobody actually believes that, Only YEC say that because they don't know what they are talking about.

Intelligent creator is on the side of order giving life purpose. Random chance of mutations is on the side of chaos and makes our existence meaningless as we are just an accident.
Again. None of science says this. Only YEC say everything is random.
Even though the young earth creationists don't have everything right, they have a foundation of knowledge to stand up on and they are less deceived because of that. I guess you can say I'm a young earth creationist too,

That is very disappointing.

except I believe a day for a year to God doesn't mean literal days but 1000 years. "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." - 2 Peter 3:8.
That doesn't mean what you think it does.

Telling us that Jehovah has a different time than us humans so they can't mean literal 24 hour days of creation but based upon 1000 years for a day.
This is a huge assumption based on a single scripture that could mean something different from what you imagine it does.

Scientists believe a giant asteroid hit earth and killed off the dinosaurs yet they refuse anything based on a global flood killing off most of creation. When over 300 ancient civilizations all had flood stories passed down through generations.
I have no problem with a flood. There's evidence of floods, unlike a young earth.

Believing an asteroid hit earth and caused that destruction is absolute stupidity and not based on any historical records.
Absolute stupidity? You don't believe earth is hit by asteroids? LOL. Which destruction are you talking about? Earth has been hit a LOT, and still is getting hit. That's an odd hill to die on, especially when we have evidence for asteroid impacts. Unlike a "young earth", which has no evidence at all, and all the evidence we do have points to a far older earth.

The hydroplate theory through the global flood is what caused the continents to shift away from each other....


You're referring to Pangaea. That was even before the dinosaurs. The continents have not been together for about 300 million years.

as all continents in Noah's day and earlier were connected through land bridges.
Pangaea didn't need land bridges because everything was one massive body of land.

And that's how animals from all over the world were able to migrate to Noah's Ark. The hydroplate theory is dismissed by science journals because they refuse to believe a global flood ever happened. This is how hydroplate theory works.

Perhaps. Or it happened completely differently in a way we have not considered.
It sounds like to me you have personal grievances that has caused a negative emotional response about young earth creationist belief. And because of that, it's based on a rough foundation of emotion which discredits your argument even more even after posting those 2 videos of those idiots, pothole and thunderf00t. You obviously have some mental block based on your personal grievance, clouding your soundness of mind.
That personal grievance is my love for science, and hatred for the way creationist use the Government to force their "theories" to be taught in science class alongside actual science. They are con artists, cheats, and liars, and you should not be supporting them. I expect more out of people who know the truth.
 

kirmmy

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Most of that light took millions of years to reach us. You could say God just made the light go faster so that we'd have stuff to look at but again, that implies God is trying to trick us into thinking the world is older than it really is.
Not to say I agree with either you or soul sage but there are those that believe the speed of light is variable. That would throw a wrench into every scientific theory that exists...just about.


It would mean that the earth could be quite a bit younger than thought, same with the universe. I'm not a physicist so I'm not going to whip out the math and show all the implications but I remember a video on it. It was presented by a "Christian" organization. I remember looking it up as it interested me and it was mostly discredited. Not as in "completely discredited"...more like scientists just didn't feel it was worth it...or possible, to investigate it. I've got no dog in the fight but it is another theory.

Let me ask you something. What is the speed of light? Do you know for sure? How do you know? How is it measured. Look that up and you'll see you can't be so cocksure.
that implies God is trying to trick us into thinking the world is older than it really is.
No it doesn't. If anything, it shows that we know little about his works. “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand." Job 38:4
All he does is read what the data published in peer reviewed journals say. He doesn't give his opinion. That's how science is supposed to work.
Indeed. Too bad most of the scientists weren't onboard with that for the last two years regarding a certain illness.
I don't care if he used evolution or if he just poofed everything into existence ex nihilo. The Bible doesn't really tell us how.
It does tell us how. Genesis? It paints in broad strokes but it's still there.
 

Soul Sage

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Except nobody actually believes that, Only YEC say that because they don't know what they are talking about.


Again. None of science says this. Only YEC say everything is random.


That is very disappointing.


That doesn't mean what you think it does.


This is a huge assumption based on a single scripture that could mean something different from what you imagine it does.


I have no problem with a flood. There's evidence of floods, unlike a young earth.


Absolute stupidity? You don't believe earth is hit by asteroids? LOL. Which destruction are you talking about? Earth has been hit a LOT, and still is getting hit. That's an odd hill to die on, especially when we have evidence for asteroid impacts. Unlike a "young earth", which has no evidence at all, and all the evidence we do have points to a far older earth.




You're referring to Pangaea. That was even before the dinosaurs. The continents have not been together for about 300 million years.


Pangaea didn't need land bridges because everything was one massive body of land.



Perhaps. Or it happened completely differently in a way we have not considered.

That personal grievance is my love for science, and hatred for the way creationist use the Government to force their "theories" to be taught in science class alongside actual science. They are con artists, cheats, and liars, and you should not be supporting them. I expect more out of people who know the truth.

Your last sentence speaks volumes for me. Remember how mainstream media always has articles that said "experts say..."What experts are these? A bunch of shills, enemies of God, and thus enemies of the truth. Secularism is pro government and pro establishment. To think that creationist use the government to force their theories, you are living in a deluded state of mind. And I'm sure others on this forum can easily see that. I know a lot of former scientists who worked in the field, they themselves say, the agenda is all about money so it takes on the ideologies of secularism and distances itself from creationist teaching. Why? Because we are living in Satan's world, full of deception. And if you don't understand that by now after these past couple of years, I have no respect for you because you are easily manipulated and deceived and more willing to take sides with atheists than creationists. And I'm not talking about taking sides with individuals on those sides but the ideologies behind them.

A few other things I want to mention before I'm done here. I know meteorites hit earth, though many burn up in Earth's atmosphere. I'm talking about their theory of a giant meteor causing a mass killing of the ancient world. I'm not denying meteorites hitting earth. It's also impossible for a giant cataclysmic meteorite to hit earth. Jupiter is like a giant shield for earth where earth shattering meteorites wouldn't be possible. That's why I called it a stupid theory. Their theory is that this big meteorite caused the land masses to spread. And I don't think Pangea is exactly how it is illustrated, no one knows for sure, but it's safe to say that all continents had land bridges. Whether the land was widely connected or narrowly connected.

You are an interesting person though. As I never met any Christian that hated creationist theory and recognized science more through an atheist perspective just with the belief of God. That tells me you're more confused or conflicted than anything else.
 

Jahrule

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Your last sentence speaks volumes for me. Remember how mainstream media always has articles that said "experts say..."What experts are these? A bunch of shills, enemies of God, and thus enemies of the truth. Secularism is pro government and pro establishment. To think that creationist use the government to force their theories, you are living in a deluded state of mind. And I'm sure others on this forum can easily see that. I know a lot of former scientists who worked in the field, they themselves say, the agenda is all about money so it takes on the ideologies of secularism and distances itself from creationist teaching. Why? Because we are living in Satan's world, full of deception. And if you don't understand that by now after these past couple of years, I have no respect for you because you are easily manipulated and deceived and more willing to take sides with atheists than creationists. And I'm not talking about taking sides with individuals on those sides but the ideologies behind them.

A few other things I want to mention before I'm done here. I know meteorites hit earth, though many burn up in Earth's atmosphere. I'm talking about their theory of a giant meteor causing a mass killing of the ancient world. I'm not denying meteorites hitting earth. It's also impossible for a giant cataclysmic meteorite to hit earth. Jupiter is like a giant shield for earth where earth shattering meteorites wouldn't be possible. That's why I called it a stupid theory. Their theory is that this big meteorite caused the land masses to spread. And I don't think Pangea is exactly how it is illustrated, no one knows for sure, but it's safe to say that all continents had land bridges. Whether the land was widely connected or narrowly connected.

You are an interesting person though. As I never met any Christian that hated creationist theory and recognized science more through an atheist perspective just with the belief of God. That tells me you're more confused or conflicted than anything else

You didn't know creationist lobbied to get creationism taught in school? There was a court battle and everything. I'm surprised you didn't know that considering how great your research skills are.

 
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Jahrule

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Not to say I agree with either you or soul sage but there are those that believe the speed of light is variable. That would throw a wrench into every scientific theory that exists...just about.


It would mean that the earth could be quite a bit younger than thought, same with the universe. I'm not a physicist so I'm not going to whip out the math and show all the implications but I remember a video on it. It was presented by a "Christian" organization. I remember looking it up as it interested me and it was mostly discredited. Not as in "completely discredited"...more like scientists just didn't feel it was worth it...or possible, to investigate it. I've got no dog in the fight but it is another theory.

Let me ask you something. What is the speed of light? Do you know for sure? How do you know? How is it measured. Look that up and you'll see you can't be so cocksure.
We know the speed of light based on measurement. But it's funny you'd ask this because this is what I was saying about evolution too. Everybody thinks they understand it but do they? I'm talking about science too. Everybody has this view that it means we came from monkeys. Well, if the speed of light can be different from what we think it is then so could evolution. Life does diverge based on "kinds" as the bible says. That works up until species get separated from each other for long periods of time until they can no longer interbreed but even they continue to diverge based on their kind. It works kind of like language. Spanish emerged gradually from Latin. A little change here and there until a new language came into existence. But that doesn't mean a Latin speaking woman ever gave birth to Spanish speaking son.
No it doesn't. If anything, it shows that we know little about his works. “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand." Job 38:4

Indeed. Too bad most of the scientists weren't onboard with that for the last two years regarding a certain illness.

It does tell us how. Genesis? It paints in broad strokes but it's still there.
Exactly. This is my point. I'm not selling evolution or some other theory. I'm trying to show we don't really know. How many occasions in scripture can you think of where people were 100% sure the Bible meant XYZ but ended up meaning something very different?
 

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This is slightly more reasonable but there's still a lot to unpack here. For one, I don't point to what scientists say because they are scientists. I point to experts in a particular field because that's their specialty in said field. It's not because they say it that interests me. It's the results I find interesting. Go stand outside and look up at the stars. Most of that light took millions of years to reach us. You could say God just made the light go faster so that we'd have stuff to look at but again, that implies God is trying to trick us into thinking the world is older than it really is.

You called Potholer54 an idiot, which demonstrates to me that you don't understand how science works. I may not always agree with Hadfield (Potholer54), but I see him as a credible source. All he does is read what the data published in peer reviewed journals say. He doesn't give his opinion. That's how science is supposed to work.

Peter Hadfield is the same guy who called out people on his own side for misrepresenting the science on climate change, such as Leonardo DiCaprio and all the other climate alarmist, even though he defends the science surrounding it, he shows people on both sides misrepresent the data to suit there own agenda. The fact he's an atheist means nothing to me. Yeah, he's made videos debunking things like Noah's Ark, but only the view of Noah's Ark as perpetuated by Young Earthers.

This is what I mean by "They do more harm than good," because these nut-bars conflate their opinion with scripture, and when someone disproves their ideas it reflects on the entire Bible -- despite the obvious fact that the truth could be different from what they imagine it to be. This is the danger of making assumptions about what the Bible means by what it says. These idiots claim the flood laid down the sedimentary layers we find when digging under the ground. That kind of claim is testable. The only way that would be true is if there were many floods separated by vast lengths of time. It would flood, then stop for a few hundred thousand years, the flood again, then stop, then flood again. They make these claims because they don't understand enough to understand the variables involved.

What they don't understand, because they lack even a rudimentary understanding of geology, is their claims can be falsified. One dude claimed the grand canyon was formed in 5 minutes by the flood. This is another stupid claim that is easy to disprove. In order for the flood to cover that much distance in 5 minutes (300 miles), the flood waters would have to be traveling 5 times faster than the speed of sound.

If Noah was on that boat, and he was hit by that kind of force he would have been incarcerated. This is only a problem for Creationists. So somebody pops up and disproves their claims, they aren't disproving the Bible, they are only disproving some morons view of how the flood happened. But what happens for the spectators who realize these people are full of BS? It stumbles them. They then think, "Oh well I guess the Bible must be fake because this scientifically illiterate wacko was proved wrong."

That's why I don't take YECs seriously. Yes, atheists have a field day making fun of these idiots. But it's not even about God or the Bible. It's only about the YECs dopey opinions about the bible that make all Christians look like brain dead troglodytes. I believe God created the universe. I don't care how he did it. I don't care if he used evolution or if he just poofed everything into existence ex nihilo. The Bible doesn't really tell us how. It only tells us that he was involved. It was his will. That's all that matters. The details will eventually be made clear. We will have the answers someday. But if people like Kent Hovind, VenomFangX, and Ken Ham have their way, we'd have far more atheists because nobody would ever be able to take them seriously. They're a joke. In case you can't tell, I don't like "Creationism". There is a story behind why I feel that way, but this post is already too long to get into that. Trust me. It's not you. I just have a long history with these losers.

Geologist claims are also unproven. They can't prove their claims because they are just making observations and cannot manipulate any variables. Cosmology is the same it's just unproven observations. For science to prove anything it has to be strictly empirical, that was the whole point, but now it's gone off into story telling and the realm of fantasy. No one knows the age of the earth since it is unknowable. We just know how long man has been on the earth from the bible at least from around when Adam was expelled from the paradise.
 
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