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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Asadour my daughter is 37 years old and she’s also married to an elder, he’s 43 years old. Anyway, over the years he’s been so possessive of her, not even wanting her to have very much to do with her family and we use to be so close. The pandemic was just a reason for him to reinforce their isolation from us. They have an 8 year old son, and as far as I know she told me a while back she was going to get him vaxxed. Even though she felt very much against all vaccines until this push by the GB.
She always had a great love for Jehovah, from childhood…now it’s all about the GB.

That’s all I can do is hang in there and trust in my God Jehovah, have faith and not give up! Thank you for all your encouragement and prayers. I‘ll pray for you too. We’re all lost in the wilderness, waiting for the day for Jehovah to rescue us. 💖
Hello JG, if I may stick my nose in, keep in mind the biblical statement, that offspring follow the natural course in life, reiterated at Genesis 2:23,24. That children have their own lives and follow their own path is small reward in many ways, for the parent whom brought them up. Yet their independence is also a good and happy value of your parenting that has given them this independence. It is a bitter pill to swallow when children grow well in the soil that we ourselves planted them in and then abruptly leave and make their own life for themselves just as we did. The happier they are, the less we see of them, even though it is us that planted the seed from which their happiness grows….independence, self reliance, confidence, education, example, faithfulness, love, generosity, appreciation and of which, love always is the foundation, but unfortunately, of their lives now, not ours. We just provided the cement from which the bricks in their lives are welded together. It is their building though. We measure our success by the grandeur of their ‘home’. As my mother said to me, of parenting…”It’s hell when they go, but it’s worse if they stay.” (Though I’m sure I was just hell for her either way).
That your daughter‘s pathway is affected by the GB influence is something we must expect. After all, we ourselves put it there. If we were still snoozing our lives away in the watchtower, we may well have encouraged others to get the vaccine. After all, it was wrapped up in the enticing parcel of ‘insight’ from Jehovah. I know, because I did the same type of things to my children without regard for my own common sense, or that of my mother. Discipline being one of them. It stains my conscience to this day to have been influenced by man. Nevertheless, our gift of love to our children is what sustains them in their own pathway and it is thus so, that by our maintaining our own loving pathway, it will be there still when they find the inevitable dead end that is before everyone in this world. The greatest resource we can have for our children is to be there, and to be their ready with love and insight, resilience and resourcefulness in faith. Our love for our children does not change - they know that, it is just the need the Child has is allotted a different way.

The primary example of course is Christ, in that he ‘left‘ his mother and fulfilled his destiny and even showed his independence of her at the age of twelve, going missing and about his father‘s business for three days. Poor Jospeh, relegated to step parent in quite a straightforward manner and his mother to three days of panic looking for her son. What is of note is what Jesus said and did afterwards. So it is that we fulfil our role, and release our fledgling with an open hand to fly away, but you can be assured that they know where the parental nest is, and importantly how to get back there. That is our reward and sometimes it is just not enough for the love and labour we sacrificed of ourselves to achieve it. Fortunately, Jehovah is the one steering the hearts of the faithful to reason on life, and I’m sure of that. There is one tactic that you can use to strengthen the bond, and that is that if your daughter’s husband is possessive of her as you say, (and all men are possessive), then posses the husband. If he feels welcome, then there is everything to gain. 👍
 

SusanB

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Asadour Do you think this Covid spread is by design? Because many people know that the majority having Covid are the vaxxed. The GB probably knows that and then they can use that as an excuse to go back to Zoom, which is really what they are pushing for, from what I hear. And then they can continue the selling of the KH’s.

But now this the first time I’m hearing of the letter that the brothers have for JW’s to take in refugees! Wow!
This is a very strange turn of events!
Sister Jgremillion83, I just want to say that I love your photo. You’re gorgeous!
 

SusanB

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i absolutely do think it’s by design- in fact, I do not think this illness, although real, is actually virus related- perhaps a its prions disease. I don’t know, but i don’t think it’s viral.

but yea this is all by design. This pandemic was supposed to be launched during Obama’s term but was delayed. Then Trump was elected and that out it off another four years.

The latest figures i read a few days ago indicate that 90% of those who contract C19 are “fully” vaccinated according to the CDC’s definition of fully vaccinated.

Whistleblower nurses are coming forward indicating that the ER is full of very serious vaccination injuries and not Covid patients.

I DO belive the Gov Body knows exactly what is going on and the reason i say this is because of its attempt to conceal the truth, along with its efforts in spreading the propaganda narrative construct of the Imperialist Malthusians.

Why, i can only speculate, that money is involved. I also believe the Gov Body has even more sinister motives that i won’t go into.
I just had a sister (married to an Elder) send me a text yesterday telling me that she had an interesting recent field service experience in telephone witnessing. She said that before she could share her message of hope from the bible with the householder, the household wanted to warn her about the vaccine and Remdesivir. And that those things are killing patients in the hospitals in Hawaii. The householder’s relative is a health care worker here and has hands-on knowledge of what is going on in the local hospitals. The householder and her relative are trying to get the warning out to everyone they come in contact with about the danger of the vaccines and telling them to get their hands on Ivermectin with a tip to order it from Mexico since it may not be possible to get it in the US. The sister tried to contact the householder again but wasn’t able to reach her.

I was wondering how many of the friends also heard that on the phone call since the field service often includes a group of friends listening to the calls. Not that it would matter, because if someone thinks divine intervention is behind the vaccine, they would probably not take any warning to heart.
 

יהוה_saves

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@BARNABY THE DOG.

what a wonderful comment. Your writing it so insightful, expressive, eloquent- poetic.

My sister is having a hard time right now with her adult son, age 32, he has an alcohol problem that is adversely effecting his health and his life, and he is well aware of it. she told me she doesn’t know how to help him. i told her that her days of parenting are over, but she will always be his mother. Only he can help himself.

we mothers (and fathers too) we never stop loving, worrying, caring, fretting. . . we often forget that our grown children have functioning minds with cognitive ability to weigh matters and make informed choices, as individuals do.

As far as waking up to Watchtower- i spent 27 years in this organization and i can recall only a very few scattered red flags- for the most part it was a positive and enriching experience that i wouldn’t change and don’t regret.

It was so weird- i didn’t plan on, or want to or intend to or expect in any way, to wake up- it just happened. Life is funny that way.

We each carry our own load, isn’t that right?

all said- the most important missing link is and always will be Jehovah. As you said- he knows who loves him. He will search for those lost ones, those abandoned ones, those stumbled ones- and he will find them and he will feed them.

It’s so incredibly hard to let go.
 

יהוה_saves

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@Driven

my assumption is that the vaccine issue will be raised more and more by householders as the truth comes out that these injections are dangerous, harmful and ineffective- that they’re not vaccines at all and never were.

remember how the reasoning book had sample talking points to potential objections? “If the householder says this. . .” and there would be two or three different ways to overcome the objection.

I wonder if JWs (or the GB) have given much forethought on how to respond when someone brings up C19 vaccine injury or death. JWs are going to have to respond to it at some point- it’s not going away. It’s quite the dilemma, isn’t it.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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@BARNABY THE DOG.

what a wonderful comment. Your writing it so insightful, expressive, eloquent- poetic.

My sister is having a hard time right now with her adult son, age 32, he has an alcohol problem that is adversely effecting his health and his life, and he is well aware of it. she told me she doesn’t know how to help him. i told her that her days of parenting are over, but she will always be his mother. Only he can help himself.

we mothers (and fathers too) we never stop loving, worrying, caring, fretting. . . we often forget that our grown children have functioning minds with cognitive ability to weigh matters and make informed choices, as individuals do.

As far as waking up to Watchtower- i spent 27 years in this organization and i can recall only a very few scattered red flags- for the most part it was a positive and enriching experience that i wouldn’t change and don’t regret.

It was so weird- i didn’t plan on, or want to or intend to or expect in any way, to wake up- it just happened. Life is funny that way.

We each carry our own load, isn’t that right?

all said- the most important missing link is and always will be Jehovah. As you said- he knows who loves him. He will search for those lost ones, those abandoned ones, those stumbled ones- and he will find them and he will feed them.

It’s so incredibly hard to let go.
I hope Jehovah knows the stumbled ones. My parenting record could have been better and my children are damaged from ‘watchtowerisation’ that I was enthralled by. I was a watchtower man, too young and stupid, idealised and wanting to fit in - we all know the story and the sanctimonious bigotry that goes with the regime. Taking into consideration the harm watchtower has done to family life and the natural need for people to accomplish in life, it is a sound measure of the changes that this site brings about in people that comments about the watchtowerare as polite and restrained as they are. I must admit that I often defeat the Google spell correct facility when describing watchtower.
 

יהוה_saves

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@BARNABY THE DOG.

you nailed it. I was the same way. Married, “unbelieving” husband, young kids, wanted to fit in, wanted to have friends, to be “exemplary”, and pioneer- i wanted it all.

- i came into the truth at a bad time- 1994- the this generation of 1914 will by no means pass away teaching was still in full force- it hadn’t been “adjusted” yet.

when the yearbooks came out, i’d flip to the reports page eager to see how much of a decrease in partakers- anointed- there was from the year before. They told us that the anointed were sealed in 1935 so there would only ever be a decrease as they slowly aged and died off. I remember the first year there was a reported increase in partakers. It devastating, but we soldiered on. Eventually they discontinued the year book.

in my halcyon days of Watchtower, i neglected many things as a parent of three kids- i figured the new system would take care of it. I neglected much needed health care for my little boy- he was sick and i always thought well Armageddon is so close- why bother? I neglected other things too. My negligence as a mother has impacted my son’s life in many adverse ways. I have to live with that. i did that. i’m responsible.

In 1999 they changed the generation teaching to something else- but i held on to the original for dear life, until i couldn’t anymore. Other new light would come. each more disappointing than the last.

and here we are.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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@Driven

my assumption is that the vaccine issue will be raised more and more by householders as the truth comes out that these injections are dangerous, harmful and ineffective- that they’re not vaccines at all and never were.

remember how the reasoning book had sample talking points to potential objections? “If the householder says this. . .” and there would be two or three different ways to overcome the objection.

I wonder if JWs (or the GB) have given much forethought on how to respond when someone brings up C19 vaccine injury or death. JWs are going to have to respond to it at some point- it’s not going away. It’s quite the dilemma, isn’t it.
In retro, if the watchtower were honest in their knowledge of truth, they would have made sample talking points to answer the questions of the householder, rather than ‘overcome’ them. I think it was Mark Twain that said; “If you always speak the truth, you don’t have to remember a thing” (At my age, that is an excuse I frequently use). If the Watchtower mandate was to always tell the truth and to depend on Jehovah to “make it grow”, no matter the verbal dexterity of the witness, they would have saved an inestimable amount of the brothers’ donations by avoiding unnecessary printing of their teaching methodology… and which was very shallow at the best of times, not to mention elementary, ineffective, patronising and superficial of course. People stay in the watchtower because they assume that it is Jehovah‘s provision, rather than because the watchtower can convince them of such.
 

יהוה_saves

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@BARNABY THE DOG.

I never liked those scripted presentations,
myself. I would see brothers/sisters use the KM script verbatim and i used to wonder to myself- can’t he speak from the heart?

The householders can tell when someone is reciting a scripted presentation. That was in the 90s-2010s.

Since ~ 2015, JWs don’t really saying anything- they’re mere placeholders for the website- occasionally selecting a Gov Body member video presentation on their ipads- if they get that far. That was before the pandemic.

Today they target addresses and phone numbers, not people, calling it a ministry. “ministry”.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Hello JG, if I may stick my nose in, keep in mind the biblical statement, that offspring follow the natural course in life, reiterated at Genesis 2:23,24. That children have their own lives and follow their own path is small reward in many ways, for the parent whom brought them up. Yet their independence is also a good and happy value of your parenting that has given them this independence. It is a bitter pill to swallow when children grow well in the soil that we ourselves planted them in and then abruptly leave and make their own life for themselves just as we did. The happier they are, the less we see of them, even though it is us that planted the seed from which their happiness grows….independence, self reliance, confidence, education, example, faithfulness, love, generosity, appreciation and of which, love always is the foundation, but unfortunately, of their lives now, not ours. We just provided the cement from which the bricks in their lives are welded together. It is their building though. We measure our success by the grandeur of their ‘home’. As my mother said to me, of parenting…”It’s hell when they go, but it’s worse if they stay.” (Though I’m sure I was just hell for her either way).
That your daughter‘s pathway is affected by the GB influence is something we must expect. After all, we ourselves put it there. If we were still snoozing our lives away in the watchtower, we may well have encouraged others to get the vaccine. After all, it was wrapped up in the enticing parcel of ‘insight’ from Jehovah. I know, because I did the same type of things to my children without regard for my own common sense, or that of my mother. Discipline being one of them. It stains my conscience to this day to have been influenced by man. Nevertheless, our gift of love to our children is what sustains them in their own pathway and it is thus so, that by our maintaining our own loving pathway, it will be there still when they find the inevitable dead end that is before everyone in this world. The greatest resource we can have for our children is to be there, and to be their ready with love and insight, resilience and resourcefulness in faith. Our love for our children does not change - they know that, it is just the need the Child has is allotted a different way.

The primary example of course is Christ, in that he ‘left‘ his mother and fulfilled his destiny and even showed his independence of her at the age of twelve, going missing and about his father‘s business for three days. Poor Jospeh, relegated to step parent in quite a straightforward manner and his mother to three days of panic looking for her son. What is of note is what Jesus said and did afterwards. So it is that we fulfil our role, and release our fledgling with an open hand to fly away, but you can be assured that they know where the parental nest is, and importantly how to get back there. That is our reward and sometimes it is just not enough for the love and labour we sacrificed of ourselves to achieve it. Fortunately, Jehovah is the one steering the hearts of the faithful to reason on life, and I’m sure of that. There is one tactic that you can use to strengthen the bond, and that is that if your daughter’s husband is possessive of her as you say, (and all men are possessive), then posses the husband. If he feels welcome, then there is everything to gain. 👍
BTD Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this with me. Up until recently, I had a good relationship with my daughter’s husband. Even though my husband and I noticed him becoming more overly possessive of her, not wanting her to be out of his sight. I think he‘s also very insecure. Now that her father and my husband of 38 years passed away 6 months ago I was hoping for us to be even closer. But when I recently expressed my concerns to them about the GB‘s decision with the vaccines things changed even mor. So when I later tried to reach out to her, to try and check on me at times because of my being alone, you never know what might happen and at times the weather gets pretty extreme here and I get anxious.

Anyway, instead of getting a response back from her I get a response from him to me via text message stating : “You know why we are not socializing with you at this time. Until you change your attitude about Jehovah’s earthly organization and representatives, and stop your open and unrestrained association with disfellowshipped ones, we will not have unnecessary contact with you unless there is an emergency. We pray that you will contact the brothers and get the help you need”

It’s a terrible to imagine how far the GB goes not considering the damage they are doing to families. I will never bow down to them! You notice that my son-in-law says nothing about Jehovah? His remarks smack in the face of IDOLATRY! My son who is DF’d, is still taking the death of his dad so hard too. And on the day of his dad’s funeral my daughter, his sister, walks up to him letting him know that they will not be speaking to him anymore after the funeral. That was so unnecessary and uncharacteristic of her to be so insensitive to him, especially at that particular time.
Even though my son has been DF’d, he still loves Jehovah. He found attending zoom meetings impersonal and cold. But I’ll say one thing, even though he lives out of town from me, him and his family have come to visit and he calls to check on me nearly every day and I’m greatful for that.

I don’t mean to ramble on but being able to come on this platform to read various comments, I feel like I’m getting to know different ones a little more. Some days I come on here and just read comments. I have a lot of sad days so it uplifts me. I will just continue to pray to Jehovah to help me be patient and to strengthen my faith. I look forward to the day that we can all meet one another under better circumstances along with better things to come. 🙏
 
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Ms_ladyblue

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@Jgremillion83

Your daughter is no dummy. She was against all vaccines for good reason- that knowledge is still with her. Her love for Jehovah is still in her no matter how hard the GB try to supplant Jehovah with itself. One of these days the GB will push her too far and you will need to be there for her. Stay strong for her and your grandson.

Many folks that i’ve talked to that have gotten one or two of these injections will not get anymore. She may be in that lot- for example i ran into an elder some months ago- i asked him how many of these injections was he willing to take? two? five? ten? He just stared at me.

Always keep it in your mind that the 8th king is permitted to rule for only 42 months. As hard as things will get, 42 months is doable, it’s not a lifetime- Jehovah is preparing us now for this. You will get through it and so will your daughter and your grandson. Jehovah will not abandon his sheep. Not even one will be missing. :))

message me anytime- my prayers are with you always and much love and support too. ❤️🌸❤️🌸

Kim
Thank you so much for your up building words of encouragement, your prayers. I will probably want to message you sometime, so I appreciate the offer. Same here…after all we’re fighting this battle together, getting our strength from Jehovah.
 

surfergirl

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Asadour my daughter is 37 years old and she’s also married to an elder, he’s 43 years old. Anyway, over the years he’s been so possessive of her, not even wanting her to have very much to do with her family and we use to be so close. The pandemic was just a reason for him to reinforce their isolation from us. They have an 8 year old son, and as far as I know she told me a while back she was going to get him vaxxed. Even though she felt very much against all vaccines until this push by the GB.
She always had a great love for Jehovah, from childhood…now it’s all about the GB.

That’s all I can do is hang in there and trust in my God Jehovah, have faith and not give up! Thank you for all your encouragement and prayers. I‘ll pray for you too. We’re all lost in the wilderness, waiting for the day for Jehovah to rescue us. 💖
I Think/and hope - that her common sense that she has inherited from both you and your husband will kick in and overcome all the mind control she is exposed to. I know that we were once controlled and now are free, - and at the time we honestly didn't realize the situation we were in. I know your prayers are helping her, [ well maybe they're just helping you for now] - but I do have hope for her recovery. To me - it's such a very wicked thing to get control of a persons mind, and I hope Jehovah God deals with it really soon! ❤️
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I Think/and hope - that her common sense that she has inherited from both you and your husband will kick in and overcome all the mind control she is exposed to. I know that we were once controlled and now are free, - and at the time we honestly didn't realize the situation we were in. I know your prayers are helping her, [ well maybe they're just helping you for now] - but I do have hope for her recovery. To me - it's such a very wicked thing to get control of a persons mind, and I hope Jehovah God deals with it really soon! ❤️
Appreciate you Barb, you remember how Jessica use to be. I don’t recognize her anymore but I do know that beautiful part of her is still there. I pray that she’ll wake up soon. When she begins to realize what’s happening she’s going to be so scared so I want to be herec for her. I’m not dismissing John but I don’t think he’ll change. Too afraid to lose friends, family, face and position. But anything is possible. Love ya Barb 💞
 

surfergirl

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Appreciate you Barb, you remember how Jessica use to be. I don’t recognize her anymore but I do know that beautiful part of her is still there. I pray that she’ll wake up soon. When she begins to realize what’s happening she’s going to be so scared so I want to be herec for her. I’m not dismissing John but I don’t think he’ll change. Too afraid to lose friends, family, face and position. But anything is possible. Love ya Barb 💞
Love you too, my dear friend.💜🥰And hope you have her back really soon. I just wanted to tell you - I see the control in long time witnesses, over here, the longer I'm away from the meetings - it becomes more obvious to me what we have been subjected to. Severe mind control, based on fear, guilting, and other methods. It was so gradual, and she was in it her whole life. At least we had a different type of childhood, and early adulthood, which may have helped us to use our power of reason. I don't really know. But I do also have hope for so many loyal servants, - may Jehovah give us strength to keep calm and steady, and comfort them, when they are in such shock and pain.💜 It's been such a struggle to just function ever since we were "shocked awake" by all those horrible updates.I know she will find a way to reach out to you when she wakes up- Jehovah will help her function enough for that. Just like he did for us.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Love you too, my dear friend.💜🥰And hope you have her back really soon. I just wanted to tell you - I see the control in long time witnesses, over here, the longer I'm away from the meetings - it becomes more obvious to me what we have been subjected to. Severe mind control, based on fear, guilting, and other methods. It was so gradual, and she was in it her whole life. At least we had a different type of childhood, and early adulthood, which may have helped us to use our power of reason. I don't really know. But I do also have hope for so many loyal servants, - may Jehovah give us strength to keep calm and steady, and comfort them, when they are in such shock and pain.💜 It's been such a struggle to just function ever since we were "shocked awake" by all those horrible updates.I know she will find a way to reach out to you when she wakes up- Jehovah will help her function enough for that. Just like he did for us.
Yes, I have texted to let her know that if she ever needed to talk to me please don’t hesitate, I’m here for you. So, I hope she’ll keep that tucked away in her heart. I notice more too the mindset of the witnesses. One day a sister was relating the CO’s talk he gave just recently which he said that real soon now we’re going to see God’s war take place and she proceeded to use gestures he used as if to fight and kill the enemies! She was laughing like as if we were going to take part in this mass killing. I looked at her but didn’t see anything so funny in that. You know we never use to express ourselves in that way to describe the destruction of the wicked. We would talk about Jehovah removing wickedness but never act it out as if to enjoy it! It reminds me of that broadcast a while back when Tony Morris talking about same topic and lighting up that match to blow it out. Now, all that is mind blowing!!!
Jehovah says vengeance belongs to him!
 

יהוה_saves

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You know we never use to express ourselves in that way to describe the destruction of the wicked. We would talk about Jehovah removing wickedness but never act it out as if to enjoy it! I
you’re right, we never expressed what they call i guess “schadenfrued” or taking pleasure in another’s demise. We never expressed aggression toward those who refused the free gift of the truth. We always held out hope that the truth could reach anybody's heart- it wasn’t up to us to judge.

JWs who behave this way are emulating the GB- ie Tony Morris’s blowing out a lit match stunt, Samuel Herd’s eagerness to “yeah, fight”.

These examples have a deep effect on JWs.

Jesus said no student is above his master but will like his master (Matt 10:25-25) isn’t that true.
 
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