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SusanB

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I was just thinking about Matt 25:35 where it talks about " I became hungry and you gave me something to eat, I became thirsty and you gave me something to drink, naked and you clothed me, stranger and you received me, fell sick and you looked after me. We all know this wonderful scripture. I think preparing or " prepping " is not about a lack of faith, To me it's an opportunity to be in a position to extend help to others who might not be able to be as prepared. How can one apply this scripture to offer food and drink and clothing if you don't have those things ? I also think of Noah. Knowing what Jehovah had instructed him to do and what would happen, Noah could have just said..." Oh well Jehovah will provide" He told his wife to "get her house aboard the ark and then told his sons to load supplies for the animals. That seems to me that they prepared due to their faith in Jehovah, NOT a lack of faith. Yes our salvation will be in Jehovah's hands at some point. Until then pray for faith, understanding, patience, holy spirit, wisdom. Jehovah knows what we need, but I don't see how just sitting back, doing nothing, not even putting back some provisions.... and then saying "Jehovah will provide" solves anything? Does that mean that you can not put forth any pro-active preparation and just wait for Jehovah to deliver 4 sacks of groceries to your front door and ring the bell for you....... ? as for the scriptural advice of not going back to pick up your outer garment.... could that be the same as when the angels told Lot's wife to "not look back"? Not looking back was not for curiosity sake, but the longing for the things left behind? I don't know? just a thought? Another scripture comes to mind, 1 Timothy 5:8 If anyone does not provide for those who are his own and for members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worst than a person without faith. If I can prepare and provide for persons in my household and members of my family (physical or spiritual) according to this , then I am demonstrating faith. Not providing shows lack of faith. No one will ever be totally prepared and it would be foolish to think one could survive without Jehovah and Jesus. I will use my faith to do what I can do be able to feed, clothe, and be hospitable to those who need my help at some time in the very near future. Come Lord Jesus!
Wow. Great post. We must always work along with our faith. Our faith is active not passive.
 

Soul Sage

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The GB themselves said that the last few remaining 144,000 anointed upon earth will be taken up just before Armageddon. So that leaves the non anointed on earth at the time all confused and scared because they relied on them so much for direction. But Christians that have a strong enough bond and relationship with Jehovah and his son Jesus and know that the trinity is false doctrine, these will be saved for they have suited themselves with the spiritual armor that is needed to pass through Armageddon. An armor made of faith and courage as cowards will fall. Jehovah and/or Jesus Christ would give us direction on what to do and where to go during the time of the end, without the GB being there. So this is good practice for all to understand the GB isn't perfect and won't always be here. Know that you're being lead by imperfect men and don't let that fuel an inner rage inside you, as this leads to prophecy coming true, so they must lead for now. So do not let imperfect men ruin your relationship with Jehovah. I know some here made comments that they will take blood transfusions but that's a big mistake, you're using your rage to go against the organization and destroying your own salvation when it clearly says in the Bible to abstain from blood.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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1 Thessalonians 5:3-5: “Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness.”

John 12:35-36: “So Jesus said to them: “The light will be among you a little while longer. Walk while you still have the light, so that darkness does not overpower you; whoever walks in the darkness does not know where he is going. While you have the light, exercise faith in the light, so that you may become sons of light.” Jesus said these things and went off and hid from them”.

From these scriptures it appears that Jesus is the light and so his anointed followers are the sons of light and what I understand is that they are the TRUE followers of Christ putting faith in him and because of their active faith they are not fooled by the false “peace and security”. It also appears the warning is for a reason because some will be overtaken by the darkness and they are described as not knowing where they are going.
So the scripture then is referring to the anointed? I thought it probably did but ambiguity is a big problem for me. I’m more of a black/white person. So if this is the case, where does it leave the general unanointed sheep?
 

Medi-tator

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So the scripture then is referring to the anointed? I thought it probably did but ambiguity is a big problem for me. I’m more of a black/white person. So if this is the case, where does it leave the general unanointed sheep?
1) Well maybe the un-anointed sheep will be doing this, at least some of them during the last days (Matt 25: 35+36)
35 For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably 36 naked and you clothed me I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you visited me.

2) And then those un-anointed sheep who do not die in the GT will (at Revelation 7:9+10)
9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.

I know, pretty simplistic Barn but its the best I can do at this late hour LOL.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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1) Well maybe the un-anointed sheep will be doing this, at least some of them during the last days (Matt 25: 35+36)
35 For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably 36 naked and you clothed me I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you visited me.

2) And then those un-anointed sheep who do not die in the GT will (at Revelation 7:9+10)
9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.

I know, pretty simplistic Barn but its the best I can do at this late hour LOL.
Thanks for the clarification. 👍
 

Sunshower

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I was just thinking about Matt 25:35 where it talks about " I became hungry and you gave me something to eat, I became thirsty and you gave me something to drink, naked and you clothed me, stranger and you received me, fell sick and you looked after me. We all know this wonderful scripture. I think preparing or " prepping " is not about a lack of faith, To me it's an opportunity to be in a position to extend help to others who might not be able to be as prepared. How can one apply this scripture to offer food and drink and clothing if you don't have those things ? I also think of Noah. Knowing what Jehovah had instructed him to do and what would happen, Noah could have just said..." Oh well Jehovah will provide" He told his wife to "get her house aboard the ark and then told his sons to load supplies for the animals. That seems to me that they prepared due to their faith in Jehovah, NOT a lack of faith. Yes our salvation will be in Jehovah's hands at some point. Until then pray for faith, understanding, patience, holy spirit, wisdom. Jehovah knows what we need, but I don't see how just sitting back, doing nothing, not even putting back some provisions.... and then saying "Jehovah will provide" solves anything? Does that mean that you can not put forth any pro-active preparation and just wait for Jehovah to deliver 4 sacks of groceries to your front door and ring the bell for you....... ? as for the scriptural advice of not going back to pick up your outer garment.... could that be the same as when the angels told Lot's wife to "not look back"? Not looking back was not for curiosity sake, but the longing for the things left behind? I don't know? just a thought? Another scripture comes to mind, 1 Timothy 5:8 If anyone does not provide for those who are his own and for members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worst than a person without faith. If I can prepare and provide for persons in my household and members of my family (physical or spiritual) according to this , then I am demonstrating faith. Not providing shows lack of faith. No one will ever be totally prepared and it would be foolish to think one could survive without Jehovah and Jesus. I will use my faith to do what I can do be able to feed, clothe, and be hospitable to those who need my help at some time in the very near future. Come Lord Jesus!
I would realy like to give you a big hug now ❤️
Thank you for eloquently putting all my thoughts into one post.
 
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Sunshower

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Christ would give us direction on what to do and where to go during the time of the end, without the GB being there. So this is good practice for all to understand the GB isn't perfect and won't always be here. Know that you're being lead by imperfect men and don't let that fuel an inner rage inside you, as this leads to prophecy coming true, so they must lead for now.
The GB don’t lead us, Jesus does. I don’t give any authority to these men, they have absolutely no say over me.

I‘m not afraid of the GB not being here cause I know their wall with plaster will fall. And that will be before Armageddon and not cause they went to heaven.
 

BagdadBill

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The GB don’t lead us, Jesus does. I don’t give any authority to these men, they have absolutely no say over me.

I‘m not afraid of the GB not being here cause I know their wall with plaster will fall. And that will be before Armageddon and not cause they went to heaven.
I'm not sure about this but someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I think the GB was so there would be organization but like you said, Jesus is our leader and he is who we will have to answer to because Jehovah gave him that power and authority. Who knows what will happen to the GB in the end but we all have to answer for ourselves.
 
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As for our understanding when the time periods of Daniel begin and end.We must understand what we are hoping for and that is when the 1000 year reign of Jesus begins.We understand that Jehovah creative days were roughly 7 thousand years .So the math says that 6000 years was in 1975.(the math was right but there expectation was wrong)So what went wrong they never understand the time Adam was alone and when Eve was created.Now we understand that that time period to be 40 years.That brings us to the year2015, 40 year after But Daniel 12 tell us to add another 1290 days to that.And that is when the constant feature ( the fruitage of the lips not the fruitage of letter writing) would be taken away that would have been in 2019.So the other time periods would happen after that .Being the 1150 days when the kingdom is bought into it's right condition.How is it bought to it's right condition.Its be glad you heavens but woe for the earth.The Devil ( king of fierce countenance who understand Ambitious saying who is broken without a humann hand why because he's a spirit)is removed from heaven.Lastly its Happy who keeps in expection of the 1335 days.What are we to keep in expectation of.That would be the True Second Time Jesus appears.
 

Sunshower

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I'm not sure about this but someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I think the GB was so there would be organization but like you said, Jesus is our leader and he is who we will have to answer to because Jehovah gave him that power and authority. Who knows what will happen to the GB in the end but we all have to answer for ourselves.
Bill, I don’t see a GB in 1 Cor. 11:3, do you? 😉

But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.

They only have authority if you give it to them and I have done for half my life, but I don’t anymore. So what will they do? I don’t have to answer to any man other than my husband.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I don't think it is a matter of not having faith, we can simply do what we can to prepare to whatever extent is possible in a practical way. This is what proverbs indicates is practical wisdom and discreet to see a calamity and prepare , rather than just suffer the consequences. But to your point of faith in Jehovah's ability to provide, well what is there he cannot do? If he provided for Elijah by a raven bringing food , can he not have the birds of heaven provide in our time..really its not a question of will he or won't he....he can and will do according to his will. I know some at times feel this is like a cop out , but it is not. We have been told in Revelation 6 and Matthew 24 about the climate or happenings during this time and there was no guarantee to any servants of Jah of survival by miraculous help, famine, war, pestilences befall us all, this is the result of our (Adam and Eve's ) rebellion , we as a human race chose to leave Jehovah ....and now the consequences are here and very real....we have no guarantee of divine protection until the great tribulation and battle of Armageddon....the great crowd will be the survivors at that time, some of us may indeed die from and during the ride of the 4 horsemen , but our hope and trust is in Jehovah's Saving power by means of the resurrection.
Think of Revelation 6:9-12 Jesus brothers have to die to receive the reward and some will die as the others died , giving a witness....we have as Jesus said faith " that Jehovah is a God of the living and not the dead , as they are all living to him" as will we. Our test will be in as you said how do we conduct ourselves at that time , when our physical flesh is yearning , yes , desperate for the physical needs. Like our Lord and Master , we must subject our flesh to submission to our spiritual life and live. Jesus did not turn the stone to bread , his flesh most likely craved , yes demanded him to do so , otherwise , what kind of test would that have been? So our salvation , however Jehovah makes the way out, will be as you said a direct relation to our faith in his promise of the resurrection, and our spiritual life , not to food or any other physical means.
Just my thought on this anyway....love to hear back from you all.
That’s a really nice, well thought out and helpful reply BTTW. Thanks very much for taking the time to write that. Very helpful indeed. 👍
 

Sunshower

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One other thing I’d like to mention. When the stores run out of food, there will be riots. We’ve seen the absurdity that happened when the “pandemic“ started and people were hoarding toiletpaper. What do you think will happen if people can’t provide for their families. By being prepared, you can avoid having to go to the store and putting yourself in harm’s way.

They say the first 3 months are the worst cause there will be looting, rioting and people starving. So having at least 3 months of food will give you a better chance at survival.

Plus, we’ve seen prices go up and they will continue to do so. Everything you buy now, you buy for today’s prices, that is a beter return than a savings account .That also means when prices go up even higher, you probably can afford the essentials that are non affordable for others.

It doesn’t mean you have to run to the stores and stack to the rafters, just buy some extra cans when they’re on sale. Buy some extra coffee, lady pads and tampons (cause there will be a shortage), over the counter pain medication, rice, pasta, things like that.

This article may be of help: http://themostimportantnews.com/arc...st-global-food-crisis-in-any-of-our-lifetimes
 

SusanB

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So the scripture then is referring to the anointed? I thought it probably did but ambiguity is a big problem for me. I’m more of a black/white person. So if this is the case, where does it leave the general unanointed sheep?
That is how I read and understand these scriptures. The great crowd (not anointed) are the ones who “hold onto the robe of a jew” and the sons of the Kingdom will shine as brightly as the sun. Not only are the anointed called sons of light, but they also are described as shining as brightly as the sun. So, it appears that we must align ourselves with the anointed ones, at least the faithful ones and we will be observers and hopefully obedient.

Zechariah 8: “The word of Jehovah of armies again came, saying: 2 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘I will be zealous for Zion with a great zeal, and with great wrath I will be zealous for her.’” 3 “This is what Jehovah says, ‘I will return to Zion and reside in Jerusalem; and Jerusalem will be called the city of truth, and the mountain of Jehovah of armies, the holy mountain.’” 4 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ….‘Here I am saving my people from the lands of the east and the west. 8 And I will bring them in, and they will reside in Jerusalem; and they will become my people, and I will become their God in truth and in righteousness.’” …..“‘These are the things you should do: Speak the truth with one another, and the judgments in your gates must promote truth and peace. 17 Do not scheme calamity against one another in your hearts, and do not love any false oath; for these are all things that I hate,’ declares Jehovah.….. So love truth and peace.’ 20 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘It will yet come to pass that peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will come; 21 and the inhabitants of one city will go to those of another and say: “Let us earnestly go to beg for the favor of Jehovah and to seek Jehovah of armies. I am also going.” 22 And many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek Jehovah of armies in Jerusalem and to beg for the favor of Jehovah.’ 23 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’”

Matthew 13:43: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen.”
 

Back to True Worship

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I like to think of Jehovah as a Father who knows each of his children , and every family member is different and has different abilities....he helps us according to our needs. So some of our brothers and sisters have much to buy stores for such events, others do not , they live day by day....month by month , financially. so buying stores just isn't in the cards for them , especially as things get worse...so we have to think like Jehovah and help each other but also know he will provide what we need....LOL not necessarily what we want...Remember Jesus words ..man does not live on bread alone...so if we survive this ordeal it will not be by bread , but by our faith and Jehovah's power...I am sure he knows how to make us strong enough even without food to survive if that is his will...I mean think of Samson, Elijah....the jar of oil and flour....Jesus suppling food for 5000 men besides women and little ones. We do not know how it will all turn out or even how we will make it to the reward....we just need to be faithful ...that is it...that is all that is required...faithfulness..like Christ Jesus. Don't be anxious , well not yet anyway....lol...each day he said has its own anxieties, sufficient for each day.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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That is how I read and understand these scriptures. The great crowd (not anointed) are the ones who “hold onto the robe of a jew” and the sons of the Kingdom will shine as brightly as the sun. Not only are the anointed called sons of light, but they also are described as shining as brightly as the sun. So, it appears that we must align ourselves with the anointed ones, at least the faithful ones and we will be observers and hopefully obedient.

Zechariah 8: “The word of Jehovah of armies again came, saying: 2 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘I will be zealous for Zion with a great zeal, and with great wrath I will be zealous for her.’” 3 “This is what Jehovah says, ‘I will return to Zion and reside in Jerusalem; and Jerusalem will be called the city of truth, and the mountain of Jehovah of armies, the holy mountain.’” 4 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ….‘Here I am saving my people from the lands of the east and the west. 8 And I will bring them in, and they will reside in Jerusalem; and they will become my people, and I will become their God in truth and in righteousness.’” …..“‘These are the things you should do: Speak the truth with one another, and the judgments in your gates must promote truth and peace. 17 Do not scheme calamity against one another in your hearts, and do not love any false oath; for these are all things that I hate,’ declares Jehovah.….. So love truth and peace.’ 20 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘It will yet come to pass that peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will come; 21 and the inhabitants of one city will go to those of another and say: “Let us earnestly go to beg for the favor of Jehovah and to seek Jehovah of armies. I am also going.” 22 And many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek Jehovah of armies in Jerusalem and to beg for the favor of Jehovah.’ 23 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’”

Matthew 13:43: “At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen.”
Thanks Driven. Very informative. Just what I was looking for.
 
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