How Jehovah's see's the Future, and we still have free will.

4JahandChrist

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yay! there you are. where have u been???
Howdy Kimmy. I've tried to stay offline for a bit. Hangin out with Magpies and reading my Bible. I've stuck my nose in from time to time for a bit of a looksey but have restricted my posting.

Great to see you up and about. You are one of the Originals from the Old Forum so you are like Family. Always nice to see you doing well.

PS....I'm feeling like some munchies. Any chance of whipping me up some snacks with flavour? Thatta girl. ( if you're stuck for ideas Driven can help) (y)

PS..... I had a 700 dollar glass of Memorial Wine the other night. Spilled it on my computer.....bye bye Dell 7390 2 in 1. RIP. :cry::cry:
 
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Asadour

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Howdy Kimmy. I've tried to stay offline for a bit. Hangin out with Magpies and reading my Bible. I've stuck my nose in from time to time for a bit of a looksey but have restricted my posting.

Great to see you up and about. You are one of the Originals on the Old Forum so you are like Family. Always nice to see you doing well.

PS....I'm feeling like some munchies. Any chance of whipping me up some snacks with flavour? Thatta girl. ( if you're stuck for ideas Driven can help) (y)

PS..... I had a 700 dollar glass of Memorial Wine the other night. Spilled it on my computer.....bye bye Dell 7390 2 in 1. RIP. :cry::cry:
Well, i for one, am very happy you stopped by! you know i always love your comments!

i hope you like Armenian food, it’s all i know how to do- how about some homemade hummus w/tahini, lemon and garlic, homemade pita chips seasoned with sumac, and vegetarian s’arma- that is, grape leaves stuffed with Egyptian short rice, seasoned with pomegranate molasses, Aleppo pepper, lemon juice, pine nuts, Syrian spices, salt n pepper, and homemade taan to wash it all down? (people think all that is Lebanese food but i can assure it is all very much Armenian!) I have some kibbeh balls in my freezer- i grinded (grounded?) the meat myself. ouch!

I can whip up a quick Kateyaf for dessert- do you prefer rose or orange blossom scented syrup?

ALL FOR YOU!

I’m sorry about you puter. though i just can’t seem to picture a Dell computer along side Jesus during his parousia. Teeeeheeee
 

4JahandChrist

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Well, i for one, am very happy you stopped by! you know i always love your comments!

i hope you like Armenian food, it’s all i know how to do- how about some homemade hummus w/tahini, lemon and garlic, homemade pita chips seasoned with sumac, and vegetarian s’arma- that is, grape leaves stuffed with Egyptian short rice, seasoned with pomegranate molasses, Aleppo pepper, lemon juice, pine nuts, Syrian spices, salt n pepper, and homemade taan to wash it all down? (people think all that is Lebanese food but i can assure it is all very much Armenian!) I have some kibbeh balls in my freezer- i grinded (grounded?) the meat myself. ouch!

I can whip up a quick Kateyaf for dessert- do you prefer rose or orange blossom scented syrup?

ALL FOR YOU!

I’m sorry about you puter. though i just can’t seem to picture a Dell computer along side Jesus during his parousia. Teeeeheeee
Yum Scrum. Haven't had Armenian food before but I'll eat Food that's strained through a Pirate's Underpants....so long as I don't have to make it.(y)

"Kibbeh Balls" ??? If your Sister's cat was named Kibbeh it could turn into an interesting Party. :unsure: (Maybe Balls didn't hit the road after all :oops::eek:)
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I don't know if humans really know what Love really is. Kindness yes, but love is an all in quality... Most of the people I have ever seen pretend to love. They are never truly all in.
Love appears to be an attribute that depends on the maturity of the spiritual encompassment of the person. The more shallow the reasoning, the less binding love is. The greater dependence on physical need, the weaker the bonding. The smaller the appreciation of another, the more love becomes trivialised. The empty vessel is devoid of use and meaning. People think that love trickles down like a stream of discovery to form a bond. It does not. Love is an aggregate of the fruits of the spirit, and it blooms just as a flower at the peak of springtime. Like the body, it is not complete if a part is missing. That is why love is the greatest gift of all, because it is the culmination of spirit in man, given by Jehovah. That is why true love is a bond that can not be broken because to do so, negates ones’s whole existence and makes a lie out of the entire personality that was built up around it.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Love is so difficult to do that we are commanded to love one another.
Fortunately, love takes into account our social status and can be broken down into spiritual, mental and physical issues, whilst still retaining its purity. It is rather like the Hippocratic oath, to ‘Do no harm.’ Thus for those to whom we are simply friends, we still have care and their well-being in mind, governed by the principles of love. The scripture puts it best at 1 Corinthians 13:V 1-12.
 

Cristo

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This is something that has intrigued me for a long time. If Jehovah can see the future, why create two humans who would sin?

The WT has an explanation that is not so bad. Jehovah uses his ability to see into the future selectively. But could it be something even more simplistic. We all predict the future/foresee the future in a limited scope. We know if we take a certain route for example, we can be at a certain place at a certain time. We know if we follow directions and we get really good at a task, we can predict with almost absolute certainty an outcome. So did Jehovah knew the outcome of Adam and Eve's rebellion? Yes. But he also saw the outcome in they had not rebelled. They could have chosen not to rebel. Either way Jehovah knew the outcome. They could have chosen not to rebel! So when Jehovah pronounced their judgement, he already knew this before hand, but he also knew what would have happened had they obeyed, but more importantly, he saw a future where they obeyed.

Jehovah sees all possibilities. The possibility he does not see, is Satan winning!!!!!
Sorry but your version is not more simplistic, but requires an infinite knowledge of everything that is to occur. Not looking into the future of our choices is much simpler than looking at each and every choice, and then determining the outcome. It also gives us moral accountability. To see every choice and outcome, as you suggest, would mean Jehovah saw our choices first, all of them, and allowed everything to happen even before he began to create. Basically it would just be a re-run of what he already saw in his foreknowledge, making everything HIS fault for letting it happen in the first place.

Is that a God you want to worship?
 
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