Nulite machine glitches again (WT Study article 40)

[Jah-son]

I just finished "preparing" my Watchtower study for today's meeting. Thank God for the new 2x speed for the audio reader.

Apparently nulite has been bestowed upon the FFDS as regards Daniel 12:2 as followes:

• Dan 12: 2And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt.

Par 6: "This prophecy is not referring to a symbolic resurrection, a spiritual revival of God’s servants that occurs during the last days, as we previously understood. Rather, these words refer to the resurrection of the dead that takes place in the coming new world."

Ummmm...really?! It took the holy spirit over 100 years to reveal to you that this is referring to the literal resurrection? Am I reading that correctly!?

And look at this little gem of a statement that will go over everyone's heads:

Par 4: "Daniel 12:1 reveals that Michael, who is Jesus Christ, is “standing in behalf of [God’s] people.” That part of the prophecy began to be fulfilled in 1914 when Jesus was appointed as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom. However, Daniel was also told that Jesus would “stand up” during “a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time."

"Also told" where was he "also told"!? It's part of the same sentence you knuckleheads! But it doesn't fit their 1914 blunder so they have to try and round the square peg to fit the round hole. So they split it into 2 different events. We are led to believe that he stood up in 1914 and he stood up again at Armageddon? Where is that indicated in the scripture? How is it that no one questions this? They just make up whatever they want to.

 

[Citrine]

You know the old saying “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance just baffle them with BS 💩”!

 

[Watchman]

I never knew the WT even taught that those asleep in the dust were brought to a spiritual awakening. Incredible.

 

[SusanB]

I just finished "preparing" my Watchtower study for today's meeting. Thank God for the new 2x speed for the audio reader.

Apparently nulite has been bestowed upon the FFDS as regards Daniel 12:2 as followes:

• Dan 12: 2And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt.

Par 6: "This prophecy is not referring to a symbolic resurrection, a spiritual revival of God’s servants that occurs during the last days, as we previously understood. Rather, these words refer to the resurrection of the dead that takes place in the coming new world."

Ummmm...really?! It took the holy spirit over 100 years to reveal to you that this is referring to the literal resurrection? Am I reading that correctly!?

And look at this little gem of a statement that will go over everyone's heads:

Par 4: "Daniel 12:1 reveals that Michael, who is Jesus Christ, is “standing in behalf of [God’s] people.” That part of the prophecy began to be fulfilled in 1914 when Jesus was appointed as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom. However, Daniel was also told that Jesus would “stand up” during “a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time."

"Also told" where was he "also told"!? It's part of the same sentence you knuckleheads! But it doesn't fit their 1914 blunder so they have to try and round the square peg to fit the round hole. So they split it into 2 different events. We are led to believe that he stood up in 1914 and he stood up again at Armageddon? Where is that indicated in the scripture? How is it that no one questions this? They just make up whatever they want to.

The sister who is still my friend is using this study to entice me to return to the meetings. My, my, my.

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

Par 4: "Daniel 12:1 reveals that Michael, who is Jesus Christ, is “standing in behalf of [God’s] people.” That part of the prophecy began to be fulfilled in 1914 when Jesus was appointed as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom. However, Daniel was also told that Jesus would “stand up” during “a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time."

"Also told" where was he "also told"!? It's part of the same sentence you knuckleheads! But it doesn't fit their 1914 blunder so they have to try and round the square peg to fit the round hole. So they split it into 2 different events. We are led to believe that he stood up in 1914 and he stood up again at Armageddon? Where is that indicated in the scripture? How is it that no one questions this? They just make up whatever they want to.

You’re right @Jah-son….For years I always wondered after the king of the North comes all the way to his end ( in Daniel 11:44,45) then chapter 12 speaks of Jesus standing in behalf of his people, then the tribulation…And right, I see that they‘ve added ‘also told.’ Daniel also didn’t say that Jesus would stand up again. They are so sly and sneaky about how they condition your thinking. 😣
Since I‘ve come to this website I’ve learned the answers to all the questions I had about prophecies such as this.

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

I never knew the WT even taught that those asleep in the dust were brought to a spiritual awakening. Incredible.

Maybe they’ll call it ‘new light.’ 😁

 

[Nomex]

Apparently nulite has been bestowed upon the FFDS

I laughed out loud when i read your title. This reminds of their "Nulite" when they finally admitted that when the Pharisees approached Jesus and asked about the woman who married 7 brothers because of brother-in-law marriage, that when Jesus said when they are resurrected "they will be like angels" that they fianlly after decades admitted that was talking about the annoited being resurrecteds to heaven. Yeah I wonder what finally clued them in?

 

[SusanB]

One of the substack articles that I subscribed to had this in its heading and it caught my attention because of the term “land of the living” and then added dead. Now when I hear the phrase “land of the living” I will always remember “land of the living dead”.

Living in History - Ineffective and Unsafe C19 injections mean we are already living with the “Pandemic of the Vaccinated” - pray that it does not morph into "The Land of the Living Dead”​

 

[BagdadBill]

I laughed out loud when i read your title. This reminds of their "Nulite" when they finally admitted that when the Pharisees approached Jesus and asked about the woman who married 7 brothers because of brother-in-law marriage, that when Jesus said when they are resurrected "they will be like angels" that they fianlly after decades admitted that was talking about the annoited being resurrecteds to heaven. Yeah I wonder what finally clued them in?

The first time I heard the term New Light was from a brother I worked for. When I started with him I was still a study. Before long I was baptized and one day he says New Light as if he were throwing his hand in a semi-circular motion and saying "These are not the drones you are looking for". At the time, I replied "These are not the drones we are looking for".
Now I can plainly see that we let the drones slip through our grasp, but Jehovah has the master copy of the death star.
I apologize for the Star Wars reference to those who don't recognize it.

 

[A B]

I laughed out loud when i read your title. This reminds of their "Nulite" when they finally admitted that when the Pharisees approached Jesus and asked about the woman who married 7 brothers because of brother-in-law marriage, that when Jesus said when they are resurrected "they will be like angels" that they fianlly after decades admitted that was talking about the annoited being resurrecteds to heaven. Yeah I wonder what finally clued them in?

To be specific, they have admitted it is possible that Jesus was talking about the heavenly resurrection. They have never come out and formally adjusted the previous understanding as in saying it was incorrect.

 

[Nomex]

They have never come out and formally adjusted the previous understanding as in saying it was incorrect.

OK, yeah. I didn't actually think they did either, been a while since I read that, but of course that would mean they would have to actuallt admit they were wrong about something. Glad you clarified it though, but it also demonstrates how stupid they really are. There is only one group who "are like angels" when they are resurrected. There is no speculation! It's always baffled me that they didn't seem to know what Jesus was talking about.

 

[A B]

I just finished "preparing" my Watchtower study for today's meeting. Thank God for the new 2x speed for the audio reader.

Apparently nulite has been bestowed upon the FFDS as regards Daniel 12:2 as followes:

• Dan 12: 2And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt.

Par 6: "This prophecy is not referring to a symbolic resurrection, a spiritual revival of God’s servants that occurs during the last days, as we previously understood. Rather, these words refer to the resurrection of the dead that takes place in the coming new world."

Ummmm...really?! It took the holy spirit over 100 years to reveal to you that this is referring to the literal resurrection? Am I reading that correctly!?

And look at this little gem of a statement that will go over everyone's heads:

Par 4: "Daniel 12:1 reveals that Michael, who is Jesus Christ, is “standing in behalf of [God’s] people.” That part of the prophecy began to be fulfilled in 1914 when Jesus was appointed as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom. However, Daniel was also told that Jesus would “stand up” during “a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time."

"Also told" where was he "also told"!? It's part of the same sentence you knuckleheads! But it doesn't fit their 1914 blunder so they have to try and round the square peg to fit the round hole. So they split it into 2 different events. We are led to believe that he stood up in 1914 and he stood up again at Armageddon? Where is that indicated in the scripture? How is it that no one questions this? They just make up whatever they want to.

In 1970 when they adjusted the start of the great tribulation from 1914 to sometime in the future, they left the beginning of Daniel 12 back in 1914. I can sort of understand they would not make that connection right away but decade after decade it remained untouched. ?!?!?!? (Reading Daniel chapters 11&12 without chapter and verse #s makes a big difference.)

At last year's annual meeting (or maybe the year before) Bro. Jackson gave a talk where he specifically applied Dan 12:3 to the future and I thought when I heard it, 'that is a change and they are not announcing it as a change'. I looked up Dan 12:3 in the Watchtower Library and it was a change, it was never applied specifically and only to the future like he applied it. Now they are expressing more of that adjusted understanding.

The phrase 'as we previously understood' is weird because it is as if nobody else has any thinking or reasoning ability. It's so weird as they will want us to reason on somethings but not others. I am often perplexed.

 

[SusanB]

In 1970 when they adjusted the start of the great tribulation from 1914 to sometime in the future, they left the beginning of Daniel 12 back in 1914. I can sort of understand they would not make that connection right away but decade after decade it remained untouched. ?!?!?!? (Reading Daniel chapters 11&12 without chapter and verse #s makes a big difference.)

At last year's annual meeting (or maybe the year before) Bro. Jackson gave a talk where he specifically applied Dan 12:3 to the future and I thought when I heard it, 'that is a change and they are not announcing it as a change'. I looked up Dan 12:3 in the Watchtower Library and it was a change, it was never applied specifically and only to the future like he applied it. Now they are expressing more of that adjusted understanding.

The phrase 'as we previously understood' is weird because it is as if nobody else has any thinking or reasoning ability. It's so weird as they will want us to reason on somethings but not others. I am often perplexed.

There is no reasoning that isn’t specifically approved by GB.

 

[SusanB]

I think the book of Daniel is an interesting subject and Brother Robert King has a chapter in his book devoted to explaining Daniel. However, I am noticing information that I haven’t seen covered in that chapter of Robert’s book. For example regarding Daniel 12:1: “During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.“

What I seem to be understanding is that this scripture explains that Michael is the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. So, even though Michael is already standing in behalf of Jehovah’s worshippers he is still described as taking action at that time by standing up. So, I think I am understanding this as meaning that Jesus has been standing with his followers since the creation of the christian congregation and yet to “stand up” means he will take some action that has been different than what he has been doing.

When I do a bible search for the term “stand up” it seems to be used to indicate taking an action such as coming into a position of power or opposing someone or even just making your position known. So, I would guess that Michael is described as standing up as applying to taking the action of sealing the anointed ones because it seems to coincide with the time of distress which is connected to it by the word “And”. I‘m just guessing but it seems to fit to me. Particularly because we know that the angels separate the wheat from the weeds during the Great Tribulation and the anointed are sealed either during the separating or after the separating. I would imagine that sealing 7,000 anointed would take time.

And, I‘m wondering if this is the beginning of the Kingdom ruling simultaneously with the 8th King for the 1,260 days. Or at least once all of the anointed ones are sealed that time period would begin?

Here is a list of scriptures that mention the phrase “stand up” but it will be too long to quote them.

Isaiah 11:10
Daniel 11:16, 20, 21 & 31

 

[TruthLover]

I think the book of Daniel is an interesting subject and Brother Robert King has a chapter in his book devoted to explaining Daniel. However, I am noticing information that I haven’t seen covered in that chapter of Robert’s book. For example regarding Daniel 12:1: “During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.“

What I seem to be understanding is that this scripture explains that Michael is the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. So, even though Michael is already standing in behalf of Jehovah’s worshippers he is still described as taking action at that time by standing up. So, I think I am understanding this as meaning that Jesus has been standing with his followers since the creation of the christian congregation and yet to “stand up” means he will take some action that has been different than what he has been doing.

When I do a bible search for the term “stand up” it seems to be used to indicate taking an action such as coming into a position of power or opposing someone or even just making your position known. So, I would guess that Michael is described as standing up as applying to taking the action of sealing the anointed ones because it seems to coincide with the time of distress which is connected to it by the word “And”. I‘m just guessing but it seems to fit to me. Particularly because we know that the angels separate the wheat from the weeds during the Great Tribulation and the anointed are sealed either during the separating or after the separating. I would imagine that sealing 7,000 anointed would take time.

And, I‘m wondering if this is the beginning of the Kingdom ruling simultaneously with the 8th King for the 1,260 days. Or at least once all of the anointed ones are sealed that time period would begin?

Here is a list of scriptures that mention the phrase “stand up” but it will be too long to quote them.

Isaiah 11:10
Daniel 11:16, 20, 21 & 31

Yes good points. There does seem to be a difference alluded to between Michael already standing in behalf of his people and when he stands up/takes action. Similar to Jesus saying he'd be with his disciples all the days until the conclusion of the system of things and his parousia. In paragraph 4/5 of the wt they are associating his stand up to be at the end of the time of distress which is not at all stated in the scripture. It says in paragraph 4: "Jesus stands up, or acts to defend God’s people, at the end of this time of distress, that is, at Armageddon.".
His stand up is when he takes power and authority as King which corresponds with the fulfillment of Rev 12:10 when woe/ distress comes on the earth.


InsightMichael

• There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 12:1) Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” (Da 12:1) In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har–Magedon.—Re 11:15; 16:14-16.
  The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) specifically mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s Kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Re 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them, which would logically be included in the “time of distress” that is associated with Michael’s standing up. (Da 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels.

 

[Chloe]

Still trying to get my head around last weeks statements that all the great men and women of faith mentioned in Hebrews 11, Noah, Abraham etc, have their names written in PENCIL, in the Book of life. This despite the world not being worthy of them.

 

[MickHewitt]

I think the book of Daniel is an interesting subject and Brother Robert King has a chapter in his book devoted to explaining Daniel. However, I am noticing information that I haven’t seen covered in that chapter of Robert’s book. For example regarding Daniel 12:1: “During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.“

What I seem to be understanding is that this scripture explains that Michael is the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. So, even though Michael is already standing in behalf of Jehovah’s worshippers he is still described as taking action at that time by standing up. So, I think I am understanding this as meaning that Jesus has been standing with his followers since the creation of the christian congregation and yet to “stand up” means he will take some action that has been different than what he has been doing.

When I do a bible search for the term “stand up” it seems to be used to indicate taking an action such as coming into a position of power or opposing someone or even just making your position known. So, I would guess that Michael is described as standing up as applying to taking the action of sealing the anointed ones because it seems to coincide with the time of distress which is connected to it by the word “And”. I‘m just guessing but it seems to fit to me. Particularly because we know that the angels separate the wheat from the weeds during the Great Tribulation and the anointed are sealed either during the separating or after the separating. I would imagine that sealing 7,000 anointed would take time.

And, I‘m wondering if this is the beginning of the Kingdom ruling simultaneously with the 8th King for the 1,260 days. Or at least once all of the anointed ones are sealed that time period would begin?

Here is a list of scriptures that mention the phrase “stand up” but it will be too long to quote them.

Isaiah 11:10
Daniel 11:16, 20, 21 & 31

Interesting I was reading Isa11:10 coninciding with that the root of Jesse springs from His own place Zech6:12. Those knowing the true relationship of Jesus Christ and His Father Jehovah. I personally was introduced to this undeserved privilege of knowledge by the local kingdom hall of Jehovah's witnesses. It makes sense that Christ would reveal Himself to those who know Him Mtt 7:23.

 

[BillyRay]

I mentioned this elsewhere on this board....

Paragraph 18 of today's study states: "These wicked ones will not survive the great tribulation, nor will they be resurrected to live in the new world."

If the wicked are all destroyed during the Great Tribulation.... Who is left to die at Armageddon? Are they stating that the Great Tribulation and Armageddon are now the same event?

 

[Jah-son]

I mentioned this elsewhere on this board....

Paragraph 18 of today's study states: "These wicked ones will not survive the great tribulation, nor will they be resurrected to live in the new world."

If the wicked are all destroyed during the Great Tribulation.... Who is left to die at Armageddon? Are they stating that the Great Tribulation and Armageddon are now the same event?

Good point. They seem to use the terms interchangeably when it suits them. More evidence that they have no clue.
I think it's a very dogmatic statement also used to manipulate the rank and file through fear.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Good point. They seem to use the terms interchangeably when it suits them. More evidence that they have no clue.
I think it's a very dogmatic statement also used to manipulate the rank and file through fear.

The whole concept of claiming that one “knows” the outcome of prophesy and to whom it applies is fraught with the self deception that one knows for certain that what they say is fact. It is one thing to know and understand in our hearts that there is a God and His name is Jehovah. However, it is quite another to interpret His reasoning and peer into the realm of His thinking, judgement and prophesy and say for certain that this or that is so. It was tried once before by a guy called Russell in 1914.