Ongoing Purge of Elders Simultaneous With World

Ms_ladyblue

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Well the excuse here was: When you work for a boss you get a break too, Jehovah is a much better boss so don't worry
Well, if you’re at work and being on your break isn’t a problem for your boss and he’s still paying you, that’s fine. And yes Jehovah is a much better boss, I totally agree but this was supposed to be time given talking about Jehovah to others.
But stop and think, who was it that we had to turn in time to? It was Watchtower of course. Now, when I think about it…I think how unnecessary that was. Because what we were really doing was working for a corporation.

The reality is…Jehovah saw us out in our ministry…what did it matter whether we turned in our time. Don’t get me wrong, I know exactly where you’re coming from. I just get very passionate about how this organization, has, for so many years gaslighted, manipulated and played so many mind games with us! They’ve hurt and ruined so many families.

I remember hearing years ago about a book called “I Was a Slave for the Watchtower.” I never did read it so I thought it was about a brother who had a gripe about having to place so many Watchtower magazines! What did I know back then??
Now I know @evw 😌
 
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Medi-tator

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but what we were doing was working for this corporation
Exactly! Corporations track numbers in order to identify where they need to make adjustments, all in an effort to increase their bottom line. It is such a shame that we had to comply with such a worldly/business endeavor as Christian warriors. They sold us on the idea and we complied readily. It is sad, so very sad! Keeping time sucked to be sure, it was a farce and still is. But do not ever, under any circumstances, get me started on the subject of neck-ties. Oh, and that is not my subtle way of attempting to high-jack and alter this thread. The elders are indeed being purged, yes, even the time counting, tie wearing elders. (and for the most part beardless @Citrine LOL)
 

evw

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Well, if you’re at work and being on your break isn’t a problem for your boss and he’s still paying you, that’s fine. And yes Jehovah is a much better boss, I totally agree but this was supposed to be time given talking about Jehovah to others.
But stop and think, who was it we were turning in our time to? It was Watchtower of course. Now, when I think about it I think how unnecessary that was but what we were doing was working for this corporation.

The reality is, Jehovah saw us out in our ministry…what did it matter whether we turned in our time. Don’t get me wrong, I know exactly where you’re coming from. I just get very passionate against this organization thinking about all the ways that they have for so many years gaslighted, manipulated and played so many mind games with us! They’ve hurt and ruined so many families.

I remember hearing years ago about a book called “I Was a Slave for the Watchtower.” I never did read it so I thought it was about a brother who had a gripe about having to place so many Watchtower magazines! What did I know back then??
Now I know @evw 😌
I can't agree more! Like I said: excuse. And to be honest, I stopped officialy pioneering way back then and just put in the same amount of hours 10 every month, regardless the amount time I spent. And Yes, what did we know then, even if I felt something didn't add up, I was to scared to do wrong by Jehovah and, nearly, accepted all and was silent, like a good (be)little(d) sister - seen but not heard. Indeed 35 years of this conditioning, makes me still afraid to place a comment on this forum. even tho I'm so glad to be here. sending you all 1668668037036.png
 

Cathii

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During the Vietnaum war.when the draft was on, young brothers had to prove their ministry status by showing the number of hours spent in field service to the court or be drafted or sent to prison. So, at that time it helped them when going to court. One brother I met was sent to prison in Texas because the courts turned him down as a minister. Sad times. Our brothers in Korea go through it over and over again. Time slips for everyone else was redundant and unnecessary. I hated the titles bestowed on ones based on their service records, and special closed door meetings for pioneers and special pioneers, also, totally unnecessary and discouraging to elderly and disabled ones. But then, nobody should be elevated above another.. They were always good at making you feel bad for not doing enough..OK I will shut up now..
 

Ms_ladyblue

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But do not ever, under any circumstances, get me started on the subject of neck-ties. Oh, and that is not my subtle way of attempting to high-jack and alter this thread. The elders are indeed being purged, yes, even the time counting, tie wearing elders. (and for the most part beardless
I hear ya @Medi-tator, my husband felt the same way about the neckties and beards. And don’t get me started speaking for him on the subject of counting time! 🤦‍
 

kirmmy

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During the Vietnaum war.when the draft was on, young brothers had to prove their ministry status by showing the number of hours spent in field service to the court or be drafted or sent to prison. So, at that time it helped them when going to court. One brother I met was sent to prison in Texas because the courts turned him down as a minister. Sad times. Our brothers in Korea go through it over and over again. Time slips for everyone else was redundant and unnecessary. I hated the titles bestowed on ones based on their service records, and special closed door meetings for pioneers and special pioneers, also, totally unnecessary and discouraging to elderly and disabled ones. But then, nobody should be elevated above another.. They were always good at making you feel bad for not doing enough..OK I will shut up now..
That's how I felt about it too. There were those little meetings that were meant ONLY for certain special groups. It made people feel...lesser, a lot of the time. Do you remember watching elders go into their meetings with swagger like big shots. It always struck me as wrong in some way. A school or training I could understand. Everything else was elitism. They did make a person feel bad for not being in those special little cliques.
 

Jah-son

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That's how I felt about it too. There were those little meetings that were meant ONLY for certain special groups. It made people feel...lesser, a lot of the time. Do you remember watching elders go into their meetings with swagger like big shots. It always struck me as wrong in some way. A school or training I could understand. Everything else was elitism. They did make a person feel bad for not being in those special little cliques.
Yeah, I think if Jesus were to walk into most Kingdom halls today he might just make a whip out of the microphone cords and proceed to the back room overturning tables and chairs and throw down some reformation.
 

mts

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@Citrine thanks for posting. I suppose these invites will trickle to foreign language cong elders and others over time, but was curious to see the wording. I would assume this goes back to the org being a 501c3 non-profit and those teaching at the elder training may be covered under a medical plan, likely a NY plan, that requires the v@x and also avoiding those not-vxd. This translates into requiring all attendees be 💉. Just speculation, but my logical conclusion for the requirement. At this point requiring a 💉 is ridiculous and a prime example of an internal agenda. :mad:
 
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mts

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Why do they count the class for time in the ministry?
This has always been the case. Up to 40 credit hours are acceptable for anyone in any alternative full-time service, ie. construction work (LDC), Schools (Pioneer), etc. Have a friend i've visited several times but not seen him talk or be in the ministry. He reminded me he was a reg pioneer, but shortly said, but I'm also in the LDC and get ministry credits for it. It may be the org's standard, but don't fully agree that alternative work, training, etc. should be considered ministry work. Seems like an easy way to fulfill the monthly hourly req't. Nonetheless, they are considered exemplary. :(
 

mts

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So, this invite Citrine posted really got me stirred up. There is another invite for a one-day class next year that does not mention any v@x req't. Consequently, my speculation is that this being a four-day session, it will have participants that are under the headquarters ny medical plan (if this exists) of which has this sort of requirement. If it turns out that this is a local-state-law reqt, that would be interesting, but so far, no one has shared another invite to compare. It is not unlike the GB to omit the reasons for such a requirement but my suspicion is it's tied to a medical liability. :unsure:
 

goldie

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So, this invite Citrine posted really got me stirred up. There is another invite for a one-day class next year that does not mention any v@x req't. Consequently, my speculation is that this being a four-day session, it will have participants that are under the headquarters ny medical plan (if this exists) of which has this sort of requirement. If it turns out that this is a local-state-law reqt, that would be interesting, but so far, no one has shared another invite to compare. It is not unlike the GB to omit the reasons for such a requirement but my suspicion is it's tied to a medical liability. :unsure:
Since you are an elder haven't you gotten your invite yet?
 

mts

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Hi @goldie, never claimed to be or not be an elder. Do know many in this capacity and from my chats with them, none have received this invite yet. As I mentioned above, the only invite I've seen is for the one-day class which does not have this requirement. If early on, the reasoning to get jabbed was Rom 13, albeit, be in subjection to superior authorities for requests not against Jah's principles and commandments, then this no longer applies (in the US), right? Unless they know the future and that in Mid 2023 it will again be req'd, application of Rom 13, is not scripturally applicable (not that it was in the first place). In addition, HIPA provides non-disclosure legal rights, so, what if someone does not wish to disclose their status? Nonetheless, will wait and see how this plays out, should prove to be eventful.
 

goldie

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That's odd as I know someone as an elder that had the elders school online recently. Is this for an upcoming elders school where they must attend in person?
If it is, that's crazy. Like I've been saying before, the vaccine is their new form of "baptism". I can't see Jesus Christ ever agreeing to something like that.

Hi @goldie, never claimed to be or not be an elder. Do know many in this capacity and from my chats with them, none have received this invite yet. As I mentioned above, the only invite I've seen is for the one-day class which does not have this requirement. If early on, the reasoning to get jabbed was Rom 13, albeit, be in subjection to superior authorities for requests not against Jah's principles and commandments, then this no longer applies (in the US), right? Unless they know the future and that in Mid 2023 it will again be req'd, application of Rom 13, is not scripturally applicable (not that it was in the first place). In addition, HIPA provides non-disclosure legal rights, so, what if someone does not wish to disclose their status? Nonetheless, will wait and see how this plays out, should prove to be eventful.
Oh sorry I misunderstood when you told Jess you were one of the higher ups, I assumed that meant elder. I haven't come across anyone who has received the invite either so I'm very curious and yes it will be very interesting how this plays out.
 
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