Ireneo
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Riddle: They start talking about marriage…but what do they end up talking about?
Robert Luccioni: Guard Yourself Respecting a Treacherous Spirit (Mal. 2:15)
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MickHewitt
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They are desperate!
They are definitely doing damage control. They will never admit to any wrongdoing. That is beneath them. If they sell your Kingdom Hall and confiscate the money and force the congregation to drive many miles to attend a meeting, then that is your problem. You have to work on not being resentful. If they lie and claim that Jehovah expects you to inject yourself with a useless and potentially deadly serum it is your problem. You have to work on not becoming distrustful of the GB.
It was rather ironic that he spoke of the need to uproot poisonous feelings from our spirit so we can be loyal to the organization, but Christ and his angels are going to do some serious uprooting of wicked men, who like Judas have dealt treacherously with Jehovah and JW's. Of course, no human can reprove that treacherous brood of vipers. That is for Christ to do when he wars against them with the sword of his mouth.
It was rather ironic that he spoke of the need to uproot poisonous feelings from our spirit so we can be loyal to the organization, but Christ and his angels are going to do some serious uprooting of wicked men, who like Judas have dealt treacherously with Jehovah and JW's. Of course, no human can reprove that treacherous brood of vipers. That is for Christ to do when he wars against them with the sword of his mouth.
SusanB
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They have assumed (even presumed as in presumptuous) headship over the congregation. When Jesus seals the anointed then it will be clear to all faithful ones who the imposters are.
SusanB
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I listened to both of the new videos and they do a lot of speculating in their application of the scriptures in their talks. The video by Kenneth Flodin on Hebrews 13:16 “Do Good and Share” manages to get in an appeal to donate to the Worldwide work and makes the point that the scripture is referring to doing good to “fellow believers” and the “holy ones”. Flodin makes the point that Hebrews 13:15, referring to the preaching work, is in reference to unbelievers but then verse 16 is referring to fellow believers. Unfortunately, the scripture doesn’t say that and it would be contrary to Jesus illustration of the neighborly Samaritan to restrict giving to only fellow believers. I really feel sorry for the brothers and sisters who only listen to these types of talks that are really twisting the scriptures although it is subtle. I’ll quote both scriptures to make it easy to see what is being referenced.
Hebrews 13:15-16: “Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of our lips that make public declaration to his name. Moreover, do not forget to do good and to share what you have with others, for God is well-pleased with such sacrifices”.
Hebrews 13:15-16: “Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of our lips that make public declaration to his name. Moreover, do not forget to do good and to share what you have with others, for God is well-pleased with such sacrifices”.
Ireneo
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Today I began to read chapter 1 of Tito
It's very interesting
Among the requirements `to be a "steward of God" it is said "not to be willful" not to be a hitter and many more that the GB obviously does not meet
It is also essential that a "steward of God" adhere to the scripture
The reason is that they shut their mouths to those who adhere to personal ideas, they teach fables and mandates of men.
He says these men destroy entire families with their lies.
Furthermore, they declare that they know God and repudiate him.
I always thought that in crete they were very bad
but we are worse
The butler who should clean the master's house has become what he should Fight
It's very interesting
Among the requirements `to be a "steward of God" it is said "not to be willful" not to be a hitter and many more that the GB obviously does not meet
It is also essential that a "steward of God" adhere to the scripture
The reason is that they shut their mouths to those who adhere to personal ideas, they teach fables and mandates of men.
He says these men destroy entire families with their lies.
Furthermore, they declare that they know God and repudiate him.
I always thought that in crete they were very bad
but we are worse
The butler who should clean the master's house has become what he should Fight
Ireneo
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It is true they are speculating a lot
Even the watchtower for this week and the next is pure speculation.
Ireneo
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Well following the illustration of Malachi
we could ask
Is it reasonable for an ADULTERESS woman to complain about her if her husband rejects her and blame him for treason?
The GB is represented in proverbs 30
20 This is the way of an adulterous woman:
She eats, she wipes her mouth;
Then she says, "I have done nothing wrong."
we could ask
Is it reasonable for an ADULTERESS woman to complain about her if her husband rejects her and blame him for treason?
The GB is represented in proverbs 30
20 This is the way of an adulterous woman:
She eats, she wipes her mouth;
Then she says, "I have done nothing wrong."
The God Pill
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How are you doing brother?
Ireneo
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hello all good
I laughed when I saw the video, the example they used of Christ and the new teaching was used by the superintendent with me
He wanted to present me as a traitor by not being "in tune" with the vaccine
Fortunately I changed my congregation and now in a few months we will change our circuit
How are you?
I will start commenting on your reading thread, I am reading interesting things and I will comment on them
The God Pill
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I'm pretty good in most respects I think I'm getting a promotion at work in a few days and keeping active spiritually my sister and I reconciled a few months ago.hello all good
I laughed when I saw the video, the example they used of Christ and the new teaching was used by the superintendent with me
He wanted to present me as a traitor by not being "in tune" with the vaccine
Fortunately I changed my congregation and now in a few months we will change our circuit
How are you?
I will start commenting on your reading thread, I am reading interesting things and I will comment on them
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Zane
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They get that wrong too.
The original Greek words translated as "publicly declare" and "public declaration" in the NWT mean to publicly confess, which means to admit or acknowledge something when confronted about it, typically against one's inclination. So publicly declaring "that Jesus is Lord" (Ro 10:9) is not evangelizing. It is merely the opposite of being ashamed of and hiding or disowning (denying) your faith when challenged or questioned about it. (Mr 8:38)
The Bible even gives us an example of "public declaration." Luke 3:15 tells us this:
(Luke 3:15) Now the people were in expectation and all of them were reasoning in their hearts about John, “May he perhaps be the Christ?”
The priests and Levites were also wondering if John was the Christ, so they sent men to ask him. Here is John's response:
(John 1:20) And he admitted it and did not deny it, saying: “I am not the Christ.”
Do you notice something odd about that verse? It says that he "did not deny it", and then it quotes him denying it: “I am not the Christ.” Do you know why that is? Because that verse is not about the denial, but is about the admission, that is to say, the "confession". (Same Greek word)
Just as John provides us an example of "public declaration" at Luke 3:15 by admitting instead of denying Christ when he was questioned, Peter gives us three examples of failing to make "public declaration" by denying Christ three times when he was questioned. (Mt 26:69-75)
So when examined carefully (Ac 17:11) the Bible explains to us the difference between evangelizing and public declaration. Evangelizers seek out others to speak to, while those who make public declaration are responding to those who have sought them out.
And every time the evangelizing work is mentioned in the Bible it is always directed at an anointed evangelizer or is a statement made by an anointed evangelizer who is referring to himself.
So no, Hebrews 13:15 is not talking about the preaching work. The GB are wrong again.
For much more on this see the article "The Preaching Work" found here:
da.getmyip.com
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Good points you made in your comment Driven!
SusanB
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I like the way you analyze and break it down. And, I like your library. Nice commentaries.They get that wrong too.
The original Greek words translated as "publicly declare" and "public declaration" in the NWT mean to publicly confess, which means to admit or acknowledge something when confronted about it, typically against one's inclination. So publicly declaring "that Jesus is Lord" (Ro 10:9) is not evangelizing. It is merely the opposite of being ashamed of and hiding or disowning (denying) your faith when challenged or questioned about it. (Mr 8:38)
The Bible even gives us an example of "public declaration." Luke 3:15 tells us this:
(Luke 3:15) Now the people were in expectation and all of them were reasoning in their hearts about John, “May he perhaps be the Christ?”
The priests and Levites were also wondering if John was the Christ, so they sent men to ask him. Here is John's response:
(John 1:20) And he admitted it and did not deny it, saying: “I am not the Christ.”
Do you notice something odd about that verse? It says that he "did not deny it", and then it quotes him denying it: “I am not the Christ.” Do you know why that is? Because that verse is not about the denial, but is about the admission, that is to say, the "confession". (Same Greek word)
Just as John provides us an example of "public declaration" at Luke 3:15 by admitting instead of denying Christ when he was questioned, Peter gives us three examples of failing to make "public declaration" by denying Christ three times when he was questioned. (Mt 26:69-75)
So when examined carefully (Ac 17:11) the Bible explains to us the difference between evangelizing and public declaration. Evangelizers seek out others to speak to, while those who make public declaration are responding to those who have sought them out.
And every time the evangelizing work is mentioned in the Bible it is always directed at an anointed evangelizer or is a statement made by an anointed evangelizer who is referring to himself.
So no, Hebrews 13:15 is not talking about the preaching work. The GB are wrong again.
For much more on this see the article "The Preaching Work" found here:
da.getmyip.com
da.getmyip.com
Good points you made in your comment Driven!
Just because 'confess' or 'admit' is a more accurate description of that word doesn't negate how it is being used in context. Most translations of Heb 13:15 use some form of 'continual' which much more closely resembles evangelism vs. responding to a challenge that may only happen a few times in life. Also, it more closely follows the pattern of Jesus' life which is to be an example for us.They get that wrong too.
The original Greek words translated as "publicly declare" and "public declaration" in the NWT mean to publicly confess, which means to admit or acknowledge something when confronted about it, typically against one's inclination. So publicly declaring "that Jesus is Lord" (Ro 10:9) is not evangelizing. It is merely the opposite of being ashamed of and hiding or disowning (denying) your faith when challenged or questioned about it. (Mr 8:38)
The Bible even gives us an example of "public declaration." Luke 3:15 tells us this:
(Luke 3:15) Now the people were in expectation and all of them were reasoning in their hearts about John, “May he perhaps be the Christ?”
The priests and Levites were also wondering if John was the Christ, so they sent men to ask him. Here is John's response:
(John 1:20) And he admitted it and did not deny it, saying: “I am not the Christ.”
Do you notice something odd about that verse? It says that he "did not deny it", and then it quotes him denying it: “I am not the Christ.” Do you know why that is? Because that verse is not about the denial, but is about the admission, that is to say, the "confession". (Same Greek word)
Just as John provides us an example of "public declaration" at Luke 3:15 by admitting instead of denying Christ when he was questioned, Peter gives us three examples of failing to make "public declaration" by denying Christ three times when he was questioned. (Mt 26:69-75)
So when examined carefully (Ac 17:11) the Bible explains to us the difference between evangelizing and public declaration. Evangelizers seek out others to speak to, while those who make public declaration are responding to those who have sought them out.
And every time the evangelizing work is mentioned in the Bible it is always directed at an anointed evangelizer or is a statement made by an anointed evangelizer who is referring to himself.
So no, Hebrews 13:15 is not talking about the preaching work. The GB are wrong again.
For much more on this see the article "The Preaching Work" found here:
da.getmyip.com
da.getmyip.com
Good points you made in your comment Driven!
LifeLearning
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@Zane you say a lot of stuff that I find questionable...but this post is spot on, I MUST say.They get that wrong too.
The original Greek words translated as "publicly declare" and "public declaration" in the NWT mean to publicly confess, which means to admit or acknowledge something when confronted about it, typically against one's inclination. So publicly declaring "that Jesus is Lord" (Ro 10:9) is not evangelizing. It is merely the opposite of being ashamed of and hiding or disowning (denying) your faith when challenged or questioned about it. (Mr 8:38)
The Bible even gives us an example of "public declaration." Luke 3:15 tells us this:
(Luke 3:15) Now the people were in expectation and all of them were reasoning in their hearts about John, “May he perhaps be the Christ?”
The priests and Levites were also wondering if John was the Christ, so they sent men to ask him. Here is John's response:
(John 1:20) And he admitted it and did not deny it, saying: “I am not the Christ.”
Do you notice something odd about that verse? It says that he "did not deny it", and then it quotes him denying it: “I am not the Christ.” Do you know why that is? Because that verse is not about the denial, but is about the admission, that is to say, the "confession". (Same Greek word)
Just as John provides us an example of "public declaration" at Luke 3:15 by admitting instead of denying Christ when he was questioned, Peter gives us three examples of failing to make "public declaration" by denying Christ three times when he was questioned. (Mt 26:69-75)
So when examined carefully (Ac 17:11) the Bible explains to us the difference between evangelizing and public declaration. Evangelizers seek out others to speak to, while those who make public declaration are responding to those who have sought them out.
And every time the evangelizing work is mentioned in the Bible it is always directed at an anointed evangelizer or is a statement made by an anointed evangelizer who is referring to himself.
So no, Hebrews 13:15 is not talking about the preaching work. The GB are wrong again.
For much more on this see the article "The Preaching Work" found here:
da.getmyip.com
da.getmyip.com
Good points you made in your comment Driven!
LifeLearning
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So very well said Driven. Anyone can give a talk and point to scripture to support the subject matter they want to convey. I watched the video, and it was going ok, then got worse every few minutes as the point being made became clear. The agenda is showing, and Watchman's post #3 expresses the why.
Thank you @Ireneo for posting.
Nomex
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I could not help but think about the verse that says, "if your brothers has something against you, leave your offering and make things right." (I am of course paraphrasing.) I always though that was a weird way of putting it. Maybe he has good reason for having something against you. It doesn't say, if your brother wronged you. (I just looked it up and all I can say is wow, I quoted that part exactly).
I think the implication is if you've done something wrong, you need to make the effort to make it right, and more importantly, you should know if you have wronged your brother. If he has something against you, chances are, you know what you did. If WT took this Bible council they wouldn't be fighting court battles with victims of child abuse, and suing YouTube creators over copyright infringement who are making YouTube videos making fun of them!
Indeed 100% WT bears the complete responsibility to "leave their gift at the alter and go make peace with their brother." But no instead they call them "apostates" condemn them to eternal destruction, calling them enemies of God, and down right revel in their hopeful destruction. As "Tight Pants Tony" lights a match, blows it out and chuckles, and says, "that's what is going to happen to God's enemies." And he is not talking about Satan and his Demons, he's talking about the people who have brought lawsuits against them for child abuse and YouTubers who make them look bad!
They are so petty and childish!
I think the implication is if you've done something wrong, you need to make the effort to make it right, and more importantly, you should know if you have wronged your brother. If he has something against you, chances are, you know what you did. If WT took this Bible council they wouldn't be fighting court battles with victims of child abuse, and suing YouTube creators over copyright infringement who are making YouTube videos making fun of them!
Indeed 100% WT bears the complete responsibility to "leave their gift at the alter and go make peace with their brother." But no instead they call them "apostates" condemn them to eternal destruction, calling them enemies of God, and down right revel in their hopeful destruction. As "Tight Pants Tony" lights a match, blows it out and chuckles, and says, "that's what is going to happen to God's enemies." And he is not talking about Satan and his Demons, he's talking about the people who have brought lawsuits against them for child abuse and YouTubers who make them look bad!
They are so petty and childish!
PJ54
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I've been reading Jeremiah lately, & boy does it make sense in a modern setting! These are things that can be fixed if only there was an honest self reflection. Considering the prophets, because there was barely any self reflection (save the individuals that went to Babylon) judgment became the inevitable.
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Zane
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Let's take a closer look what Paul is saying at Hebrews 13:15.
(Hebrews 13:15) Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of our lips that make public declaration to his name.
Why did Paul say "through him"? Because no one comes to the Father except through Christ. (Jn 14:6) Paul is talking about prayer. We pray to God through His Son.
And what is Paul saying that our prayer should consist of?
(Hebrews 13:15) Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of our lips that make public declaration to his name.
That's right, "a sacrifice of praise." But what is that sacrifice of praise, that is to say, "the fruit of our lips" that we are to offer to God in our prayer to Him?
Paul tells us what it is, or as he wrote it: "that is".
(Hebrews 13:15) Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of our lips that make public declaration to his name.
Yes, in our prayer to God through Jesus we praise Him, as other translations put it: by confessing His name, by acknowledging His name, by praising His name, by giving thanks to His name, by glorifying His name, by proclaiming allegiance to His name, and by celebrating His name.
Although those things can be done "before men" (Mt 10:32), Paul is clearly referring to prayer in this verse.
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