Watchtower in Netherlands under scrutiny

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This was translated by Paul in Holland - Article

A House majority is against the practices of Jehovah's Witnesses. The parties suspect that the religious community is blackmailing people who want to leave the faith. Jehovah's Witnesses, known for door-door members bringing the faith, have strict rules for apostates. If someone leaves their faith community, the organization urges all members to never have contact with that person again. Even parents can no longer see children. This policy, 'shunning', can cause psychological complaints with sometimes very serious consequences. And it acts as a brake: members no longer dare to leave or return after departure. A majority in the House of Representatives of VVD, D66, SP and Pvda now wants an end to this means of pressure, say the MPs in a Pointer broadcast. "It is a form of blackmail, it also appears to be a threat in a sense," says VVD MP Ulysse Ellian. He wants Minister of Legal Protection Franc Weerwind to find out through which law this policy can be tackled. SP MP Michiel van Nispen calls the practices disgusting. He argues that a change in the law is necessary if necessary.

Freedom of religion The Netherlands has freedom of religion, which means that a religious community can draw up its own rules of life. But that freedom works both ways, says D66 MP Joost Sneller. “It should also mean that you have the freedom to step away from it. Otherwise it is not true freedom of religion.” In some countries, authorities have already turned against this shunning policy. In Belgium, a judge banned it on pain of fines, and Norway withdrew subsidies for Jehovah's Witnesses. In both cases, the faith community has filed an appeal or appeal. In the Netherlands, some ex-members recently filed a report with the police and collected signatures from supporters. According to Henri Dahlem, representative of the group, there are more than 1000 signatories. This includes anonymous, active Jehovah's Witnesses, he says. 'Who want to protest, but don't dare because of the great risk of being kicked out.'

Jehovah's Witnesses: We Follow Biblical Guidelines The Jehovah's Witnesses - an estimated 30,000 members in the Netherlands - confirm that shunning does exist, but that it is based on Biblical principles. It applies to members who have been baptized, and each individual Witness then acts according to his or her personal religious conscience, the organization said. The Dutch head office in Emmen refers to previous case law which shows that a religious community may use this policy. Contact between active members and excluded members is also possible, a spokesperson said. This is possible for those who indicate that they wish to return and who show remorse. Those who do not want to return lose lifelong contact, even with immediate family members, say ex-members about this in the TV broadcast. They point out that it sometimes leads people to even take their own lives. The excluded members do not ask for a ban on Jehovah's Witnesses themselves, but only on this social declaring of death. The Ministry of Legal Protection says it will respond to this request before 1 June. The broadcast of Pointer 'Jehovah's punishment' can be seen on Sunday 20 March at 10:10 pm on NPO2.
 

יהוה_saves

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This was translated by Paul in Holland - Article
Watchtower will Answer as they did at the Royal Australian Commission and that the person being shunned is the cause of his or her shunning. she chooses to be shunned by leaving the organization and she is also shunning those who stay in so Watchtower imply the shunning is somehow mutually and reciprocally agreed upon when nothing can be further from the truth.

that convoluted defense won’t fly when people (JWs) publicly release their age of baptism: Gen-Z the average is <12 and Gen-Alpha’s is younger than that.
 
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kirmmy

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This was translated by Paul in Holland - Article

A House majority is against the practices of Jehovah's Witnesses. The parties suspect that the religious community is blackmailing people who want to leave the faith. Jehovah's Witnesses, known for door-door members bringing the faith, have strict rules for apostates. If someone leaves their faith community, the organization urges all members to never have contact with that person again. Even parents can no longer see children. This policy, 'shunning', can cause psychological complaints with sometimes very serious consequences. And it acts as a brake: members no longer dare to leave or return after departure. A majority in the House of Representatives of VVD, D66, SP and Pvda now wants an end to this means of pressure, say the MPs in a Pointer broadcast. "It is a form of blackmail, it also appears to be a threat in a sense," says VVD MP Ulysse Ellian. He wants Minister of Legal Protection Franc Weerwind to find out through which law this policy can be tackled. SP MP Michiel van Nispen calls the practices disgusting. He argues that a change in the law is necessary if necessary.

Freedom of religion The Netherlands has freedom of religion, which means that a religious community can draw up its own rules of life. But that freedom works both ways, says D66 MP Joost Sneller. “It should also mean that you have the freedom to step away from it. Otherwise it is not true freedom of religion.” In some countries, authorities have already turned against this shunning policy. In Belgium, a judge banned it on pain of fines, and Norway withdrew subsidies for Jehovah's Witnesses. In both cases, the faith community has filed an appeal or appeal. In the Netherlands, some ex-members recently filed a report with the police and collected signatures from supporters. According to Henri Dahlem, representative of the group, there are more than 1000 signatories. This includes anonymous, active Jehovah's Witnesses, he says. 'Who want to protest, but don't dare because of the great risk of being kicked out.'

Jehovah's Witnesses: We Follow Biblical Guidelines The Jehovah's Witnesses - an estimated 30,000 members in the Netherlands - confirm that shunning does exist, but that it is based on Biblical principles. It applies to members who have been baptized, and each individual Witness then acts according to his or her personal religious conscience, the organization said. The Dutch head office in Emmen refers to previous case law which shows that a religious community may use this policy. Contact between active members and excluded members is also possible, a spokesperson said. This is possible for those who indicate that they wish to return and who show remorse. Those who do not want to return lose lifelong contact, even with immediate family members, say ex-members about this in the TV broadcast. They point out that it sometimes leads people to even take their own lives. The excluded members do not ask for a ban on Jehovah's Witnesses themselves, but only on this social declaring of death. The Ministry of Legal Protection says it will respond to this request before 1 June. The broadcast of Pointer 'Jehovah's punishment' can be seen on Sunday 20 March at 10:10 pm on NPO2.
They've caved on masks, on vax, on destroying their field service, on meetings. So why not throw in disfellowshipping. It's the one doctrine they are using incorrectly anyway. Service and meetings are vital and necessary according to the Bible and they kissed them off.

Didn't Jesus say something about straining out the gnat but gulping down the camel?
 

PJ54

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Watchtower will Answer as they did at the Royal Australian Commission and that the person being shunned is the cause of his or her shunning. she chooses to be shunned by leaving the organization and she is also shunning those who stay in so Watchtower imply the shunning is somehow mutually and reciprocally agreed upon when nothing can be further from the truth.

that convoluted defense won’t fly when people (JWs) publicly release their age of baptism: Gen-Z the average is <12 and Gen-Alpha’s is younger than that.
Child baptism never made sense to me. If anything how is it different than infant baptism? The Bible only has shown adults being baptized.
 

PJ54

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it is when you know the real purpose of the shunning practice. It’s used to stifle and completely choke off any communication (criticism) of the org by those who left. many innocent wrong doers get caught up in the evil net.
It really was only supposed to be used as an absolute last resort for those who were a legit threat to the congregation. To use it to keep the flock in line misses the point of such action.
 

יהוה_saves

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It really was only supposed to be used as an absolute last resort for those who were a legit threat to the congregation. To use it to keep the flock in line misses the point of such action.
i agrée. and the vice grip tightens every day on JWs.

JWs who get baptized at ~ 10-12 y. o. should be able to walk away peacefully if they grow up and decide to persue something else in life.

I really don’t understand the cruelty of the shunning policy.

It’s used as punishment as well as a control mechanism.
 
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