Peace & Security!

Joel

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As with many of Jesus’ prophecies, the one about peace & security is also a double prophecy. So the question is: who and when was saying Peace & Security in the 1st century?
 

kirmmy

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It was probably when the Jews ran off the Romans in 66CE. They celebrated for a week or so until they started to sober up and realize the Romans were going to return with a vengeance.

They must have thought they had gained peace and security for the nation but they only started a timer to their immediate destruction. Yeah, I know, a 4 year gap isn't immediate...but if you look at the epochs involved it would look like it. My 2 cents...
 

Joel

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It was probably when the Jews ran off the Romans in 66CE. They celebrated for a week or so until they started to sober up and realize the Romans were going to return with a vengeance.

They must have thought they had gained peace and security for the nation but they only started a timer to their immediate destruction. Yeah, I know, a 4 year gap isn't immediate...but if you look at the epochs involved it would look like it. My 2 cents...
If you check the timeline, it was 3 1/2 years...Romans returned at the time of Jews celebrating Nisan 14, 70 CE.
 

Joel

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“Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness. So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do, but let us stay awake and keep our senses.” - 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6.
 

Joel

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“Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness. So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do, but let us stay awake and keep our senses.” - 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6.
From the verse it is evident, that apostle Paul is contrasting "thieves" within with those that are "sons of light and sons of day"...
 

Joel

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It seems like this year's convention has lots of material, that can be classified as "Peace & Security"...:)
 

Watchman

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As with many of Jesus’ prophecies, the one about peace & security is also a double prophecy. So the question is: who and when was saying Peace & Security in the 1st century?
Jesus didn't prophesy about peace and security. The apostle Paul did in reference to "we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord." So, when they are saying "peace and security" is an immediate prelude to the coming of Christ and the parousia. There was no first century fulfillment.
 

Brother potato

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Jesus didn't prophesy about peace and security. The apostle Paul did in reference to "we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord." So, when they are saying "peace and security" is an immediate prelude to the coming of Christ and the parousia. There was no first century fulfillment.
Jesus didn't prophesy about peace and security. The apostle Paul did in reference to "we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord." So, when they are saying "peace and security" is an immediate prelude to the coming of Christ and the parousia. There was no first century fulfillment.
Well here is my 2 cents. This is just speculation of course. Letts say Trump, after the stolen election, had signed the insurrection act and handed over all power to the military namely the Marine Corps. I think that would be General Berger. Biden presidency would be illegitimate and thus have no real power. So how do we get to the proclamation of "Peace and Security"? They install Trump back in and remove Biden. The patriots of the world go crazy with glee. Gas prices tank. Farmers start growing food again. YES!!! But wait. The deep state knew this might happen. So they lite off 3 100 megaton sub nukes that they had placed off the coast of Camp Pendleton ( which I live right next to) and Houston TX (oil refineries) and lets not forget Wall Street...of course they blame Russia Russia Russia for this. What happens to me Brother Potato? Well I look up from my computer and out the window and see this mushroom cloud and a 666 foot wall of water " tsunami" coming straight for me. I don't run like a coward, no, I walk out on the balcony facing the ocean and take it like a man! End of my story. What happens next. Well the Watchtowers wall (GB) collapses in an instant along with it's barefoot servants (helpers) too. The Lord has returned!!! and the GT has started along with WWIII Whew, good thing I'm dead. See you all in the next world...don't be late.
 

Watchman

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Well here is my 2 cents. This is just speculation of course. Letts say Trump, after the stolen election, had signed the insurrection act and handed over all power to the military namely the Marine Corps. I think that would be General Berger. Biden presidency would be illegitimate and thus have no real power. So how do we get to the proclamation of "Peace and Security"? They install Trump back in and remove Biden. The patriots of the world go crazy with glee. Gas prices tank. Farmers start growing food again. YES!!! But wait. The deep state knew this might happen. So they lite off 3 100 megaton sub nukes that they had placed off the coast of Camp Pendleton ( which I live right next to) and Houston TX (oil refineries) and lets not forget Wall Street...of course they blame Russia Russia Russia for this. What happens to me Brother Potato? Well I look up from my computer and out the window and see this mushroom cloud and a 666 foot wall of water " tsunami" coming straight for me. I don't run like a coward, no, I walk out on the balcony facing the ocean and take it like a man! End of my story. What happens next. Well the Watchtowers wall (GB) collapses in an instant along with it's barefoot servants (helpers) too. The Lord has returned!!! and the GT has started along with WWIII Whew, good thing I'm dead. See you all in the next world...don't be late.
I would not dismiss that scenario. What we can expect is the unexpected.
 

Medi-tator

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Well here is my 2 cents. This is just speculation of course. Letts say Trump, after the stolen election, had signed the insurrection act and handed over all power to the military namely the Marine Corps. I think that would be General Berger. Biden presidency would be illegitimate and thus have no real power. So how do we get to the proclamation of "Peace and Security"? They install Trump back in and remove Biden. The patriots of the world go crazy with glee. Gas prices tank. Farmers start growing food again. YES!!! But wait. The deep state knew this might happen. So they lite off 3 100 megaton sub nukes that they had placed off the coast of Camp Pendleton ( which I live right next to) and Houston TX (oil refineries) and lets not forget Wall Street...of course they blame Russia Russia Russia for this. What happens to me Brother Potato? Well I look up from my computer and out the window and see this mushroom cloud and a 666 foot wall of water " tsunami" coming straight for me. I don't run like a coward, no, I walk out on the balcony facing the ocean and take it like a man! End of my story. What happens next. Well the Watchtowers wall (GB) collapses in an instant along with it's barefoot servants (helpers) too. The Lord has returned!!! and the GT has started along with WWIII Whew, good thing I'm dead. See you all in the next world...don't be late.
That just about covers it. Letts get this party started!!
 

Truth_Seeker

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"Now as to the periods and times, brothers and sisters, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord is coming just like a thief in the night. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness, so that the day would overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; so then, let’s not sleep as others do, but let’s be alert and sober."
1 Thessalonians 5:1‭-‬2‭, ‬4‭-‬6

“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: as soon as its branch has become tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near; so you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. “But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."
Matthew 24:32‭-‬33‭, ‬36
 

Truth_Seeker

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The king began speaking and was saying, ‘Is this not Babylon the great, which I myself have built as a royal residence by the might of my power and for the honor of my majesty?’ While the word was still in the king’s mouth, a voice came from heaven, saying, ‘King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is declared: sovereignty has been removed from you, and you will be driven away from mankind, and your dwelling place will be with the animals of the field. You will be given grass to eat like cattle, and seven periods of time will pass over you until you recognize that the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind and bestows it on whomever He wishes.’
Daniel 4:30‭-‬32

It will be something of this sort. When the devil trough the mighty of the earth will start boasting about their new creation, God will intervene and take everything from them.
 
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w_stone

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Wonder why Paul said to the brother"You need nothing to be written to you"Who we're writing things to them back then?Could this writing source be the ones who say Peace and Security.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Well here is my 2 cents. This is just speculation of course. Letts say Trump, after the stolen election, had signed the insurrection act and handed over all power to the military namely the Marine Corps. I think that would be General Berger. Biden presidency would be illegitimate and thus have no real power. So how do we get to the proclamation of "Peace and Security"? They install Trump back in and remove Biden. The patriots of the world go crazy with glee. Gas prices tank. Farmers start growing food again. YES!!! But wait. The deep state knew this might happen. So they lite off 3 100 megaton sub nukes that they had placed off the coast of Camp Pendleton ( which I live right next to) and Houston TX (oil refineries) and lets not forget Wall Street...of course they blame Russia Russia Russia for this. What happens to me Brother Potato? Well I look up from my computer and out the window and see this mushroom cloud and a 666 foot wall of water " tsunami" coming straight for me. I don't run like a coward, no, I walk out on the balcony facing the ocean and take it like a man! End of my story. What happens next. Well the Watchtowers wall (GB) collapses in an instant along with it's barefoot servants (helpers) too. The Lord has returned!!! and the GT has started along with WWIII Whew, good thing I'm dead. See you all in the next world...don't be late.
“What happens to brother potato?”. He goes to earth of course.
 

White Stone

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I’ve always thought that armageddon will end the great tribulation as the scripture below said:

Matthew 24:29,30 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
But recently, while pondering, what if it is not the armageddon but by man’s will so that they can declare “Peace and security!”, and many indeed will be fooled as they think that it is not the great tribulation yet. As the declaration will be at the end when it said “sudden destruction” and “instantly”.

1 Thessalonians 5:2,4 “For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves,. . .”
 

Joel

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Apostle Paul wrote 1 Thessalonians in 50 C.E. from Corinth. The first fulfillment of "peace and security" could have been after Roman armies suddenly withdrew from Jerusalem towards the end of 66 C.E., only to "suddenly" come back after 3 1/2 years at Pentecost in 70 C.E. to completely destroy city and the temple with killing some 1, 200 000 Jews from all the Middle East...
 

Joel

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There is another take on it: WT Publication "Pure Worship of Jehovah—Restored At Last!" was first published toward the end of 2018 and since than have been studied by all JW's until this year! Could the wording of it's title be somewhat synonymous with "Peace and Security"...?
 

Michelle

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Well here is my 2 cents. This is just speculation of course. Letts say Trump, after the stolen election, had signed the insurrection act and handed over all power to the military namely the Marine Corps. I think that would be General Berger. Biden presidency would be illegitimate and thus have no real power. So how do we get to the proclamation of "Peace and Security"? They install Trump back in and remove Biden. The patriots of the world go crazy with glee. Gas prices tank. Farmers start growing food again. YES!!! But wait. The deep state knew this might happen. So they lite off 3 100 megaton sub nukes that they had placed off the coast of Camp Pendleton ( which I live right next to) and Houston TX (oil refineries) and lets not forget Wall Street...of course they blame Russia Russia Russia for this. What happens to me Brother Potato? Well I look up from my computer and out the window and see this mushroom cloud and a 666 foot wall of water " tsunami" coming straight for me. I don't run like a coward, no, I walk out on the balcony facing the ocean and take it like a man! End of my story. What happens next. Well the Watchtowers wall (GB) collapses in an instant along with it's barefoot servants (helpers) too. The Lord has returned!!! and the GT has started along with WWIII Whew, good thing I'm dead. See you all in the next world...don't be late.
What is coming is so terrifying and I think we'll see a lot of suicide among the survivors due to the horror of what is happening. I too sort of hope I am among those killed at the start of it all.
 
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