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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Being insulted of course is not a good thing but would let it past behind my back or head. Would let Jehovah God or the Lord Jesus sort it out.
1 Corinthians 4:12,13 “and to toil, working with our own hands. When insulted, we bless; when persecuted, we patiently endure; when slandered, we answer mildly; we have become as the refuse of the world, the offscouring of all things, until now.”

1 Peter 2:23 “When he was being insulted, he did not insult in return. When he was suffering, he did not threaten, but he entrusted himself to the One who judges righteously.”
I do not think you should feel insulted, but privileged to be questioned. The nub of the issue is an assumption of something as fact, and adding a non-contextual scripture to support it as evidence to assert what is at most an unfounded belief, and at least, a questionable assumption of fact. Quoting a scripture to confirm as fact, an erroneous or questionable assertion is simply looking for acceptance of a personal belief. It is akin to the old watchtower advice, rendered as fact, when they told us not to buy second hand goods as they may be inhabited by demons, or worse, that the system would end in 1975 - and the arrival as Christ in 1914 which beggars belief. The point is that such profoundly stated but independently unsubstantiated beliefs can be detrimental to a persons faith, as with the watchtowers flip-flop on blood and fractions of blood. It is safe to say that watchtower GB has misled many by taking a personal or group opinion between themselves on an issue and supported it with a scripture that is totally out of context yet superficially confirms their point. The advice in the bible, and oft repeated here, is that of the Boreans, who, rather than take one person‘s opinion as fact, took time to debate the point and search it for truth. You should be pleased that your point was scrutinised and not dismissed out of hand. Contending a point, is an invitation to discuss - that is the pathway to truth. To cut off questions is a fear of being found out. That is what watchtower does. None of us enjoy being asked to prove our point, but it is necessary if truth is to remain of value.
 

White Stone

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I do not think you should feel insulted, but privileged to be questioned. The nub of the issue is an assumption of something as fact, and adding a non-contextual scripture to support it as evidence to assert what is at most an unfounded belief, and at least, a questionable assumption of fact. Quoting a scripture to confirm as fact, an erroneous or questionable assertion is simply looking for acceptance of a personal belief. It is akin to the old watchtower advice, rendered as fact, when they told us not to buy second hand goods as they may be inhabited by demons, or worse, that the system would end in 1975 - and the arrival as Christ in 1914 which beggars belief. The point is that such profoundly stated but independently unsubstantiated beliefs can be detrimental to a persons faith, as with the watchtowers flip-flop on blood and fractions of blood. It is safe to say that watchtower GB has misled many by taking a personal or group opinion between themselves on an issue and supported it with a scripture that is totally out of context yet superficially confirms their point. The advice in the bible, and oft repeated here, is that of the Boreans, who, rather than take one person‘s opinion as fact, took time to debate the point and search it for truth. You should be pleased that your point was scrutinised and not dismissed out of hand. Contending a point, is an invitation to discuss - that is the pathway to truth. To cut off questions is a fear of being found out. That is what watchtower does. None of us enjoy being asked to prove our point, but it is necessary if truth is to remain of value.
I would agree to be like the Boreans, to question everything received, but to do so with mild manner, without condescending comments or sarcasm—which for me I perceived as an insult or mocking. We are to have the fruits of the spirit in our words and actions. Wouldn’t you agree?

Would you agree that its okay to say this statement?

Matthew 27:40 “…If you are a son of God, come down off the torture stake!”​
That is a legitimate question by the Jews. But is it appropriate?

I am all for the truth as we should worship the Father in spirit and truth. That’s why I present to Robert the concerns I have with scriptures I presented.

I don’t expect everyone to readily believe in my testimony and statements about the grace given to me but I hope it helps them in faith.

To those who don’t wanna believe, I won’t force them but at least remind them to be mindful of the things being said as we don’t want to blaspheme against the holy spirit just in case, just like the Jews back then calling the miracles by Christ as coming from a demon.

For a long time I don’t believe in that God would communicate at times in dreams today as Watchtower also believed. I have questioned it at first, but soon many followed and at one time gave an me assurance by God written from a book or parchment in the dream: “You are fully cleansed.”
 

TheJehuChariot

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Being insulted of course is not a good thing but would let it past behind my back or head. Would let Jehovah God or the Lord Jesus sort it out.
1 Corinthians 4:12,13 “and to toil, working with our own hands. When insulted, we bless; when persecuted, we patiently endure; when slandered, we answer mildly; we have become as the refuse of the world, the offscouring of all things, until now.”

1 Peter 2:23 “When he was being insulted, he did not insult in return. When he was suffering, he did not threaten, but he entrusted himself to the One who judges righteously.”
Yes Apostle White Stone, yes. May Jesus sort you out.
 

White Stone

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Yes Apostle White Stone, yes. May Jesus sort you out.
I’m not an apostle nor a prophet but only a disciple of Christ.

But I have a question for you. On Robert’s channel, when asked if Robert was a prophet, he commented that he is. Did you test that out? Have you asked for a sign? How did you believed him as a prophet or as an anointed?

Edit: With the way you are treating me, I wonder how did you put up with Robert?
 
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goldie

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Wow! I'm just so shocked at how easily a simple sentence can be taken out of context, dissected and totally made into something it was not intended to do. Geez do we really need to get offended over every little thing?! I'm not saying the gb are perfect....far from it, but geez I'm not going to look for any little thing to get offended about. Isn't there a scripture that mentions about not becoming easily offended?!!!
 
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TheJehuChariot

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I’m not an apostle nor a prophet but only a disciple of Christ.

But I have a question for you. On Robert’s channel, when asked if Robert was a prophet, he commented that he is. Did you test that out? Have you asked for a sign? How did you believed him?
Honestly, I'd actually prefer if you don't ask me any more questions. Rather, please just move along ~ 2 Timothy 2:23 23 ·Stay away from [Avoid; Having nothing to do with] foolish and ·stupid [ignorant] ·questions, arguments [controversies; speculation], because you know they ·grow into [breed; beget] quarrels.
 

TheJehuChariot

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For a long time I don’t believe in that God would communicate at times in dreams today as Watchtower also believed. I have questioned it at first, but soon many followed and at one time gave an me assurance by God written from a book or parchment in the dream: “You are fully cleansed.”
As you so eloquently declared before to Barnaby The Dog, the demons can harass one in their dreams. By your own admission, it would sound as if you've found a pair of shoes that fit. 😉
 

The God Pill

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@White Stone All I can say on your brother @TheJehuChariot is at least not handing you over to authorities for the guillotine or killing you thinking he's rendering a sacred service to God. It's pretty clear with his divisive language that he's attempting to construct factionalism on the forum where such did not exist. Jehu as for Robert I've been very clear from this forums start, from earlier on his site and even five years ago in emails too him that I am indebted to him for his insights to a degree I could never hope to repay and I've always made it clear I agree with him on north of 97% of things I've said before he has a command of scriptures that is probably unrivaled among his contemporaries on this earth and I could only hope to be his peer in that department after another two decades or so of study. That does not mean that I think anyone on earth is 100% or that I shut down all contrastive views whether internal or externally sourced. I've been fairly open on that I'm less than decisive on a few topics and that with some topics viewpoints change with a fair regularity I'm a voice not an authority. As for Whitestone if he is so awful as you assert than remember how Jehovah makes it clear as early as the Pentateuch that he does not take kindly to apostates and false prophets. Is it beyond you to leave him in Jehovah's hands? My participation in this thread yesterday has nothing to do with Robert I didn't really care about there conversation enough too but I didn't like you bullying him.
 

White Stone

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As you so eloquently declared before to Barnaby The Dog, the demons can harass one in their dreams. By your own admission, it would sound as if you've found a pair of shoes that fit. 😉
Then you didn’t get the message that I sent.

If those that are close to us like family, friends or companions is doing something that is against Jehovah secretly, without our knowledge, it can also have an effect on us. Me and my younger sister lived in the same house with our parents. The only thing I could do is to remind her to stay away from things Jehovah commanded us to avoid.
 

TheJehuChariot

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when they told us not to buy second hand goods as they may be inhabited by demons
I'm curious your opinion on this btw. I grew up with a mom who swore she grew up her whole life affected by demons via houses she lived in via her parents whom family heritage were colpourters of "the truth" back in the early-mid 1900's. So I always wondered if the demons messed around more w/said families. But im not 1000% convinced on the second hand goods thing. I remember as a kid my mom throwing away a ton of furniture she bought from a garage sale she said she found later she had bought from a self declared white witch because my mom was making a big scene that demons were pressing on her body while asleep in bed etc. You have no idea how much that mind trips you as a kid. I often wonder how much a humans emotions, imaginations and embellishments masquerade real demonic presence. Then again, the fallen spirit world are obviously made up of a bunch of imbeciles with different intelligence levels. Since I'm emotionally level headed and pragmatic in my approach, I'm sure they know showing themselves to me in such a physical manner would only deepen my belief in God. So most likely their attacks are via my inherent weakness. That being said, I'm left wondering if I should toss out that nostalgic wooden spoon hand carved by my grandmother. Hmmmmm....
 

TheJehuChariot

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@White Stone All I can say on your brother @TheJehuChariot is at least not handing you over to authorities for the guillotine or killing you thinking he's rendering a sacred service to God. It's pretty clear with his divisive language that he's attempting to construct factionalism on the forum where such did not exist. Jehu as for Robert I've been very clear from this forums start, from earlier on his site and even five years ago in emails too him that I am indebted to him for his insights to a degree I could never hope to repay and I've always made it clear I agree with him on north of 97% of things I've said before he has a command of scriptures that is probably unrivaled among his contemporaries on this earth and I could only hope to be his peer in that department after another two decades or so of study. That does not mean that I think anyone on earth is 100% or that I shut down all contrastive views whether internal or externally sourced. I've been fairly open on that I'm less than decisive on a few topics and that with some topics viewpoints change with a fair regularity I'm a voice not an authority. As for Whitestone if he is so awful as you assert than remember how Jehovah makes it clear as early as the Pentateuch that he does not take kindly to apostates and false prophets. Is it beyond you to leave him in Jehovah's hands? My participation in this thread yesterday has nothing to do with Robert I didn't really care about there conversation enough too but I didn't like you bullying him.
If you view the replies/expressions w/in this thread as "divisive, bullying, akin to throwing one to the guillotine, etc etc" ... then you're just a drama queen seeking to deflect the real issue that was at hand. If you and/or WhiteStone are that "delicate" in your feelings then perhaps you might want to grow an exterior layer of skin. The subject at hand was WhiteStone declaring he/she receives dreams from God. I say "Bull", because we are living "pre-parousia, pre-Last Days". Nonetheless, he/she can declare such nonsense all they want. But expect to be challenged on it especially if they want to boast such here so casually on the forum. As for you God Pill, you don't get off so easy acting sweet/innocent when you like to passively stir the pot by asking whether we should treat Robert like the GB. I dont believe anybody here in full honesty seeking truth thinks they need to view Robert with that lens. So it would be your own ego that feels the need to introduce that subject here on public forum. Thus, you reap what you sew.
 

TheJehuChariot

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Then you didn’t get the message that I sent.

If those that are close to us like family, friends or companions is doing something that is against Jehovah secretly, without our knowledge, it can also have an effect on us. Me and my younger sister lived in the same house with our parents. The only thing I could do is to remind her to stay away from things Jehovah commanded us to avoid.
I was trying to help you identify something. Based on what you testified earlier how demons are most likely harassing Barnaby the Dog via his dreams from his sinfully watching The Wizard of Oz and Snow White so much, that therein potentially lays your answer as to the source of where your self declared dreams originate from. Thus, if the shoe fits, wear it.
 

The God Pill

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If you view the replies/expressions w/in this thread as "divisive, bullying, akin to throwing one to the guillotine, etc etc" ... then you're just a drama queen seeking to deflect the real issue that was at hand. If you and/or WhiteStone are that "delicate" in your feelings then perhaps you might want to grow an exterior layer of skin. The subject at hand was WhiteStone declaring he/she receives dreams from God. I say "Bull", because we are living "pre-parousia, pre-Last Days". Nonetheless, he/she can declare such nonsense all they want. But expect to be challenged on it especially if they want to boast such here so casually on the forum. As for you God Pill, you don't get off so easy acting sweet/innocent when you like to passively stir the pot by asking whether we should treat Robert like the GB. I dont believe anybody here in full honesty seeking truth thinks they need to view Robert with that lens. So it would be your own ego that feels the need to introduce that subject here on public forum. Thus, you reap what you sew.
No one has not been on the same page that Robert does not want followers besides the occasional random newcomer that hasn't bothered to even read a chapter of his book. Nothing about that prevents individuals from conducting themselves as his. Paul criticized brothers for factionalizing identifying themselves with him and other individual brothers rather than Christ. Said he was glad he had baptized very few of them. Was Paul guilty of seeking followers? Not at all that didn't mean however there were no Paulians, Apollonians, Jamesians etc
 

TheJehuChariot

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No one has not been on the same page that Robert does not want followers besides the occasional random newcomer that hasn't bothered to even read a chapter of his book. Nothing about that prevents individuals from conducting themselves as his. Paul criticized brothers for factionalizing identifying themselves with him and other individual brothers rather than Christ. Said he was glad he had baptized very few of them. Was Paul guilty of seeking followers? Not at all that didn't mean however there were no Paulians, Apollonians, Jamesians etc
How many times have you brought this subject up and/or asked this question about Robert in all the years you've known him? I know for a fact you've mentioned it here numerous times. It's like a wore out shoe for you. Thus , you seem obsessed by it for some odd reason. 🤔
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I would agree to be like the Boreans, to question everything received, but to do so with mild manner, without condescending comments or sarcasm—which for me I perceived as an insult or mocking. We are to have the fruits of the spirit in our words and actions. Wouldn’t you agree?

Would you agree that its okay to say this statement?

Matthew 27:40 “…If you are a son of God, come down off the torture stake!”​
That is a legitimate question by the Jews. But is it appropriate?

I am all for the truth as we should worship the Father in spirit and truth. That’s why I present to Robert the concerns I have with scriptures I presented.

I don’t expect everyone to readily believe in my testimony and statements about the grace given to me but I hope it helps them in faith.

To those who don’t wanna believe, I won’t force them but at least remind them to be mindful of the things being said as we don’t want to blaspheme against the holy spirit just in case, just like the Jews back then calling the miracles by Christ as coming from a demon.

For a long time I don’t believe in that God would communicate at times in dreams today as Watchtower also believed. I have questioned it at first, but soon many followed and at one time gave an me assurance by God written from a book or parchment in the dream: “You are fully cleansed.”
A mild manner is only a reflection of personal opinion. The fact that you got a reply is evident that others were willing to contend your point. You should listen, as You expect others to listen to what you say. When we are so cock-sure of ourselves that we cannot examine our own thinking and hide behind “God says so” the ”Bible says so“, or “Jehovah says so“, when we are actually only saying what WE think is so then we cease to be open to learning. It is hardly blasphemy to question biblical references, the Watchtower has been doing so for 140 years and, calling those who disagree, mentally ill, satanic, immature, apostate liars or, as you reflect upon questioners, blasphemers. I can well see myself back in the time of Christ perhaps at the wedding reception and hearing him say to the servants, “Go and fill the containers with water and serve it to the host…”, being somewhat incredulous that water was turned into wine. I would be at the front of the queue of everyone here, sneaking a look behind the scenes to see where the containers were that still had water in them, and who supplied the wine via the back door. I would on not finding any evidence of fraud, go and ask Christ how he did that. I know what his reply would be too. “Truly I say to you….” And whatever He did say, I would ponder on. I might not be entirely convinced, but what I would see, hear and sense from him, would undoubtably draw me back to listen to him again….and again. Simply saying that because one has many dreams on the same subject is evidence of Jehovah’s intervention, unlike the wine containers, does not hold water, let alone wine, let alone the Best wine saved until last. The other odd thing about your argument is that you use the bible to support your thoughts, whereas Robert, it has to be said, and a great many other learned people here, use the bible to illustrate Jehovah‘s thoughts. There is a whacking great gulf betwixt the two.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I'm curious your opinion on this btw. I grew up with a mom who swore she grew up her whole life affected by demons via houses she lived in via her parents whom family heritage were colpourters of "the truth" back in the early-mid 1900's. So I always wondered if the demons messed around more w/said families. But im not 1000% convinced on the second hand goods thing. I remember as a kid my mom throwing away a ton of furniture she bought from a garage sale she said she found later she had bought from a self declared white witch because my mom was making a big scene that demons were pressing on her body while asleep in bed etc. You have no idea how much that mind trips you as a kid. I often wonder how much a humans emotions, imaginations and embellishments masquerade real demonic presence. Then again, the fallen spirit world are obviously made up of a bunch of imbeciles with different intelligence levels. Since I'm emotionally level headed and pragmatic in my approach, I'm sure they know showing themselves to me in such a physical manner would only deepen my belief in God. So most likely their attacks are via my inherent weakness. That being said, I'm left wondering if I should toss out that nostalgic wooden spoon hand carved by my grandmother. Hmmmmm....
I think you answer your own question -“ I often wonder how much a human emotion, imagination and embellishment masquerade real demonic presence”. I have experienced one dream-related waking in my life, following a visit to America (that would give anyone a nightmare I suppose) where my then wife purchased an African tribal mask - a genuine one. When home, she hung it on the wall, however, it was me that suffered the consequences when I awoke one night later to find a “living” image of the embodied mask at the bedroom door, with light streaming from its eyes and mouth. I got up and threw the mask out of the window and we never saw it again. However, the stupidity of buying the thing in the first place was simply asking for trouble. I did advise against it. Yet even before and after that experience, I have always collected antiques, (as opposed to artefacts pertaining to any beliefs ) and have never had any problems with them. Also, we need to be aware of our own psyche and have a grounding if nothing else, in the constructs of our mind and physical experience, which in itself, has a far, infinitely far greater opportunity to deceive us, even to experiencing sensations that are totally alien to what we generally perceive as normality. Hence films such as the matrix. The body we have is likely capable of far greater possibilities that we have now experienced and there is room to consider the expanses of mental agility through the rare cases of savants that have remarkable insight into various human skills and the universal laws of Jehovah. Clearly so, because Jehovah Himself restrains pathways to truth/fact/laws call it what you will - from our conscious being because His time to reveal these things is “not yet”. If we are experiencing “life“ to the full at this point, then perfection of what we call life now, will be one long horror story of reality shows. No! Perfection of the mind and our appreciation of Jehovah and Christ will be without limit, as will our expressions of His creative mind within us. So, hang on to grandma’s spoon in remembrance of her and enjoy her carving skills. Strange that you should mention that actually, because I am carving a rabbit right now and you have got me wondering if my great grandson will throw it in the bin because “…he was one of those Jehovah’s witnesses who took strange vaccine potions that was brewed by the evil Pfizer Booster Man.”
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I’m not an apostle nor a prophet but only a disciple of Christ.

But I have a question for you. On Robert’s channel, when asked if Robert was a prophet, he commented that he is. Did you test that out? Have you asked for a sign? How did you believed him as a prophet or as an anointed?

Edit: With the way you are treating me, I wonder how did you put up with Robert?
Quite an interesting question. I have not read that Robert declared himself a prophet. The definition of a prophet (assuming that any compiler or a dictionary can claim insight into such meaning) is that he is in contact with a divine being and speaks as an intermediary. How a compiler would know that to be the case demands some examination in itself, but if we assume that he is simply stating how others view it, that is sufficient. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Does he speak what he believes to be true. I think anyone here would believe that to be so. Can we put faith in what he says is true? That is our responsibility to check for ourselves if we agree. Does he have insight, and if he does, where does this come from? Well, what he relates to his readers bears scrutiny, and so we can thus far, with reason, rely on him to speak truth. But that does not shift our responsibility onto him. His responsibility is his own way with Jehovah. Cross Jehovah at your own peril. Does Robert proclaim with clarity. Pretty much so - a lot depends on the reader to assimilate and ponder on to reap the benefit. Does he predict the future? After all, prophesy is always in the future and the bible tells us to use discernment. I would say no. Robert does not predict the future, but relates what the bible says about the future and does his best to speculate, given the insight that he has, to guide others to Jehovah. Not himself. What we make of it is up to us.

Moses was a prophet, and he had to contend with Jehovah over his assignment. He said he was hopeless at speaking and that pharaoh was hardly likely to listen to him. But Jehovah encouraged and enabled him to get the job done. Moses also upset Jehovah by usurping Jehovah‘s place in providing for His people. Even so, Jehovah punished his arrogance yet at the same time, was gentle with him in doing so - so the bible tells us. As for Robert, what he claims he will answer for, just as assuredly as we all will. For my part, I allow for his humanity in my own way, just as others put up with my opinions and thus we all rub along yet in doing so, we grow as a community AND in understanding. Is not that the point of it?. And if anything, that is an indicator enough, of honest preaching. So, what Robert does claim, is a basis for confidence, because he is true to himself in this work. What more should we expect when we ourselves expect the same from others. A name is nothing for humans, it is what we do that counts and what we produce. NOT that I equate the two, but when Christ spoke about others drinking his blood and eating his flesh, people left off following him. Asking if his disciples were going too, they simply asked where would they go. Doubtless many would ask the same of this site. It depends whether you value what is said here. You can take it or leave it and the motive for doing so is yours. As for me, I am aware of human frailties, and I have enough examples in my own life, but whilst someone is trying hard to provide understanding in the scriptures, I will sit and listen to him. It is all we have. That does not require any loyalty from anyone. It is simply learning a trade - but the trade of life if WE, not he, are honest with our selves and test out the hand of Jehovah to see if it’s true. I really cannot understand why so many people have such a difficulty with that. Can we not trust ANYONE in these times. Do we have to have a rock spell it out for us? If the stones were made to cry out the word of Jehovah, would you be happy with a rock explaining prophesy? Is a rock going to answer to your needs for questions and understanding? If you need a sign, why do you refuse to accept argument unless it is in agreement with you. Signs point you in a direction you want to go. That applies to the wrong way too if you cannot accept
 
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