They emasculated calebs dad! Wow check out the difference..

BARNABY THE DOG.

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Nomex said:
I think the only real true unchanging dogma from WT is this..."we'll have Jehovah's blessing, but more important, we'll have unity." That should be some kind of slogan, and a perpetual source of mocking and Memes! "Unity, it's what WT craves!" "Unity, it's what JW R&F crave." Feel free to add to this!!!
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You say it all really, Nomex. Putting unity before the attributes of the spirit is a symptom of their parting of the ways. Exclusivity is what Jehovah is all about. Exclusive of all other “gods” and exclusive of all other worship. The bible is rather elementary about this (and I was taught this at kindergarten) as the book of exodus states in the Ten Commandments. A primer into Jehovah’s thinking. Get those ten points down into your thinking and the stage is set for the fine dining element - but that requires insight and frankly, there is more insight in this forum than watchtower has ever known.
 
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goldie

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Fallen said:
Youre exactly right. It has found its way here on the forum (Polarization).

Each time I fall for the bait, I allow my emotions and knee jerk responses to take over which is wrong. I usually beat myself up at the end of it and try and do better the next time. Keeping the larger audience in mind certainly helps when it comes to what should or shouldn't be said. And certainly...not everything has to have a reply.

I got mad at Sister @goldie for calling me a "NutJob" and in turn, I questioned her christian integrity. I had no right to do that. None!...well after a while, I started to think about it (being a nutjob and all) , and you know what? Shes absolutely right.
To one degree or another, This twisted and demonic world has made nutjobs out of all of us, and if it wasnt for Jehovah providing us with his word the bible to give us some sort of direction and clarity, we would be just as insane and without hope as the rest of the world.

So im learning not to take offense so easily...at least thats the goal. One thing that im keeping in mind is that every single one of us has been gathered by Jehovah to this forum by means of Jesus Christ for a reason. If Jah sees worth in us, we have every bit of responsibility to see it in eachother. Even if the best that we can do is ...agree to disagree.
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Fallen, I do apologize for calling you a nut job I did delete that comment and you're right we're all turning into nut jobs lately including me I guess satans system is taking its toll on all of us. I guess I have to learn not to fall for the bait as well and learn to be more tolerant and accepting of other people's wrong views🤣 kidding...just KIDDING.
It's very upsetting to see what's going on within the org and I think it's affecting all of us in different ways. Hopefully we can all learn to be more patient and accepting of eachothers views and opinions without going into attack mode. Once again I do apologize and I will try my best to keep my comments respectful. 🙏
 
BARNABY THE DOG.

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Fallen said:
I simply don’t understand how you guys are jumping so far and deep based on merely a cartoon illustration.

What’s next, flip it upside down and hold it up to a mirror with a Michael Jackson’s record playing backwards in the background?🤷🏿‍♂️
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Fallen, there is a whole psychology of approach in joining a group where there is a common bond of agreement. If one is seen as a renegade interloper that contradicts that common bond, then all will turn on that one to protect (justify) their understanding. To stand your ground, only provokes a greater response and therefore, if the assumed interloper rises to the challenge, likewise does the resistance. This is as true here as it is in the watchtower.

The key is to negotiate the common ground. The most effective manner is to invite explanation. “This is what I believe…” “Can you explain to me why you have that belief because I believe this to be the case”. Questions invite dialogue and dialogue allows for discussion and discussion invites agreement because it allows for change of opinion with honour being left unscathed. Humility in the face of strongly held values is always looked upon favourably if well argued. Compromise is an art-form. Compromise does not always signify abdication of truth. One holds on to truth with both hands (assuming one is certain it’s truth), but sometimes one can compromise their own vanity for the sake of retaining the others fertile learning need. Vanity is cheap. The more one throws their portion of it away, the less value there is in retaining it. Peace then becomes the playing field on which many a game of heart and mind is successfully reasoned.

Essentially, this is the working base upon which the term “love” finds its genesis. The more one values their own sensitivities and does not pay attention to their worth in keeping those sensitivities, the greater becomes their pragmatism and the greater block they build to discussion. They themselves, stop learning because they come to reject all other approaches and thus limit severely, the greater scope in understanding that other slants in comprehension others may have. How many youths mistake infatuation for love - but can anyone tell them differently?

Truth cannot be compromised but it certainly has more constituent parts than its whole. And these constituent parts give it, its value. How can that be? Because it is a value of the heart and thus as different in each of us as is our sense of love. We have degrees of love. Jesus said that “greater love hath no man, than to lay down his life for another”. But for those whom cannot achieve that degree of value, this does not necessarily make their love less than that of another, but simply valued in a different way. It is this ‘difference’ then in each other that we negotiate in our search for the truth. We may not understand the meaning others apply, or their reasoning. Do we have to? Sometimes we just have to accept that a mother will always sacrifice their life to save their child until there is an exception to the rule. And there always is.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Fallen, there is a whole psychology of approach in joining a group where there is a common bond of agreement. If one is seen as a renegade interloper that contradicts that common bond, then all will turn on that one to protect (justify) their understanding. To stand your ground, only provokes a greater response and therefore, if the assumed interloper rises to the challenge, likewise does the resistance. This is as true here as it is in the watchtower.

The key is to negotiate the common ground. The most effective manner is to invite explanation. “This is what I believe…” “Can you explain to me why you have that belief because I believe this to be the case”. Questions invite dialogue and dialogue allows for discussion and discussion invites agreement because it allows for change of opinion with honour being left unscathed. Humility in the face of strongly held values is always looked upon favourably if well argued. Compromise is an art-form. Compromise does not always signify abdication of truth. One holds on to truth with both hands (assuming one is certain it’s truth), but sometimes one can compromise their own vanity for the sake of retaining the others fertile learning need. Vanity is cheap. The more one throws their portion of it away, the less value there is in retaining it. Peace then becomes the playing field on which many a game of heart and mind is successfully reasoned.

Essentially, this is the working base upon which the term “love” finds its genesis. The more one values their own sensitivities and does not pay attention to their worth in keeping those sensitivities, the greater becomes their pragmatism and the greater block they build to discussion. They themselves, stop learning because they come to reject all other approaches and thus limit severely, the greater scope in understanding that other slants in comprehension others may have. How many youths mistake infatuation for love - but can anyone tell them differently?

Truth cannot be compromised but it certainly has more constituent parts than its whole. And these constituent parts give it, its value. How can that be? Because it is a value of the heart and thus as different in each of us as is our sense of love. We have degrees of love. Jesus said that “greater love hath no man, than to lay down his life for another”. But for those whom cannot achieve that degree of value, this does not necessarily make their love less than that of another, but simply valued in a different way. It is this ‘difference’ then in each other that we negotiate in our search for the truth. We may not understand the meaning others apply, or their reasoning. Do we have to? Sometimes we just have to accept that a mother will always sacrifice their life to save their child until there is an exception to the rule. And there always is.
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The skinny look for men is called metrosexual

relating to or denoting men who live in urban areas and enjoy shopping, fashion, and similar interests traditionally associated with women or gay men.
especially meticulous about his grooming and appearance, typically spending a significant amount of time and money on shopping as part of this.

A sister actually told me the name for it, many young brothers dress this way now
 
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Deborah

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mts said:
I've been away a while, but this post reminded me of many observations I've made over the years. It is apparent, that even guys can't find regular fit suits anymore. Everything is athletic fit, slim fit, tight-fit... you get what I mean.😲 Also, Morris, a while ago, talked about the metrosexual look, which, at the time wasn't as prevalent as today. I am seeing elders (and other brothers) at the hall with rainbow colored sox, snug fitting pants and dress shirts; mis-matched suits (jacket one color, pants another) and skecher style shoes, not dress shoes, being used. No one is finding this odd in the hall? Am I just too conservative with my full matched regular fit suit, dress shoes & solid colored dress sox? I went to a mtg not too long ago with business casual "skecher" shoes (white soles), totally by mistake, and no one said a word! On the flip side, when masks were being req'd, try going to a mtg w/o one, you'd almost get lynched!😬 No doubt, fads + styles designed by LGBTQIA+, etc. have influenced the minds & hearts of those in the org. 🙁
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No you are not too conservative imo. My husband used to comment on the way fashion for men had changed.

He had to have the shirt, tie and little pocket hankie thing match, oh yes and the belt. He was obsessed (my opinion) with his shoes shinning.

He often commented on the colorful socks brothers were wearing and some wore the worst colored loud suits I have ever seen at assemblies/conventions before covid. He also rolled his Eyes at the different colored pants and jackets.

I just smiled cuz clothes wise we did not match. You had a very classy dresser and then here I come in my long dresses/skirts and boots.

No you are correct on what you are seeing imo.
I just find it not odd, but interesting . Oh well here we are 2023. Styles are certainly changing for sure.
 
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goldie said:
Fallen, I do apologize for calling you a nut job I did delete that comment and you're right we're all turning into nut jobs lately including me I guess satans system is taking its toll on all of us. I guess I have to learn not to fall for the bait as well and learn to be more tolerant and accepting of other people's wrong views🤣 kidding...just KIDDING.
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It doesn't help that the world is lying to us at every turn. I still see arguments and accusations in comments around the Internet about which news networks is telling the truth and which are lying.
They're all lying about something. Right now, Tucker Carlson is the hero again because they are releasing footage of Jan 6th. That's great but, these people don't know God.
 
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BagdadBill said:
It doesn't help that the world is lying to us at every turn. I still see arguments and accusations in comments around the Internet about which news networks is telling the truth and which are lying.
They're all lying about something. Right now, Tucker Carlson is the hero again because they are releasing footage of Jan 6th. That's great but, these people don't know God.
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You're absolutely right.
 
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BagdadBill said:
It doesn't help that the world is lying to us at every turn. I still see arguments and accusations in comments around the Internet about which news networks is telling the truth and which are lying.
They're all lying about something. Right now, Tucker Carlson is the hero again because they are releasing footage of Jan 6th. That's great but, these people don't know God.
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Tucker is under fire with some Repubs and Dems who are condemning his selective footage and comments on Jan 6th. Just watched it on this morn news.

He is gonna keep putting his big foot in his KNOW IT ALL MOUTH until he is dismissed. I am just gonna keep my eyes and ears on him. He is a hot mess.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Seadog said:
Amazing response Brother. Definitely agree with the Group dialogue reasoning. My wife however disagrees with your final paragraph where there is an exception to saving her child. Just saying…….
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Understandably so, when taking saving life into account. i quoted Jesus‘ point of view and of course, that is the pinnacle of accomplishment in this attribute. The reason I inserted the proviso, is that as with all critical decisions, the following of impulse is not always the best decision when there are other competing issues, such as other children. This in no way suggests that the impulse is wrong in some way, far from it. It is the most noble of acts that a person is capable of. Jehovah decreed it as the singular act capable of redeeming all of mankind in respect of restoring Perfection. Jesus did not elect to stay behind, but delegated the promulgation of truth to mankind. Therein, cometh the dint of and expression of the necessary test of faith and diligent searching that proves the worthiness of redemption.

Thus it is, and this is the issue, if the quest is beyond hope, or the consequences too terrible to endure, then to whom does the allegiance belong in terms of need and duty? This is why Jehovah included orphans and widows in our responsibilities. Would we willing leave that to another though? We might have to, I agree. In many ways it is the obverse of leaving the ninety-nine sheep to go after the one, though the scripture alludes to the principle. “Let the dead bury the dead”. (The living need you). Such a terrible question cannot be considered in the moment, but the wrong decision in that moment can have greater consequences. It is not a remark on loyalty or valour, but of outcomes to survival of others.

Certainly, Mrs Seadog is correct. None of us would want to endure such conflict, but given the days we are in, such trials are worth preparing for so that they are not regretted or discharged unwisely. The reason I found it applicable is simply that I have been on the edge of such a scenario as my brother-in-law lost two children to a house fire. He died still carrying the guilt some thirty years later.
 
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Eyes & Ears said:
Tucker is under fire with some Repubs and Dems who are condemning his selective footage and comments on Jan 6th. Just watched it on this morn news.

He is gonna keep putting his big foot in his KNOW IT ALL MOUTH until he is dismissed. I am just gonna keep my eyes and ears on him. He is a hot mess.
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It only happened because the Republicans gained the majority in the House of Representatives and the new speaker of the house gave Carlson previously suppressed security camera footage showing the security guards giving the "insurrectionists" a guided tour. It seems to me that the deep state and fellow swamp creatures are pulling every lever to ignite a civil war. The Money powers know that their Wall Street casino game is about over. Crash the system and pit every man against his fellow in a dog-eat-dog end of the world war, that's the game plan. And we have Jehovah's word on it.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Don’t take it?!
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PLEASE THINK BEFORE introducing this foreign poison into your system. I took it and landed in hospital having to go back twice for heart procedures.

Was told last visit to cardiologist they have done all they could do.

Jehovah and the few meds I am on help. Without sounding like a drama queen, I am sooo thankful when I wake up each morn. Also I have no energy. Before I took this mess Moderna or whatever it is I had high energy. Now i can't even wash dishes without taking a break.

I took it after losing my husband and sister got covid and some other family members died. I was alone in a lockdown and scared silly. Don't ever do anything after suffering a big loss. Your mind is not right.

Anyway wished I knew then what I know now. Was not gonna ever say anything about my mess
But I would not advise anyone to take this toxic potion.

Sorry I vented so much.
Just ticked.
 
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