The next step

I’ve not been on here much lately and apologize to those that have messaged me - I will get caught up asap! We had to face the music that this was the end of the line. No more pretending, no more playing along. My husband submitted his email to our elder body that he was stepping down immediately and linked the org statement that elders must be vxd for the upcoming school. Thanks to @Joe MacTeeg for his kind guidance in this delicate process! 🙏
As expected my husband began receiving the elder calls to get together and talk. We know the dangers of that course. For now we are just declining to meet or talk, just reassuring them we are fine and appreciate their concern. I’m a few months ahead of my husband in the whole waking up process and just want to move on with our lives, I’m beyond looking for any redemption in the org. He is still saying he feels like he’s in a bad dream he can’t wake up from. We will be fine once this bumpy patch is over and look forward to an awesome 2023! No more guilt, no more fear, and no more being in a high control org! 🙌

I'm not allowed to even mention my wife on here. If she finds out, and I am really taking a risk here writing this, but she's kind of like you said,

Citrine said:

feels like he’s in a bad dream he can’t wake up from.

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she's seems to be trying as hard as she can to fool herself into thinking somehow this isn't happening and things will go back to like they were before Covid. She wants to still have a relationship with my brother and his wife, and I know better, we are better off having nothing to do with them. Both his kids left the "truth" and all he say is, "Satan just uses your kids against you." Never has it occurred to him it's his fault and the WT's.

Don't get me wrong I understand how and why she feels this way, it's all we have ever known. But so many JW's I have known all throughout the years, not all but many, are just not nice people. And yet, everyone i consider to be a friend is one of JW's. It is a dilemma to be sure. Anyway, we have each other here, and we need each other. We have done what the vast majority have not and will not do...WAKE UP!!!!

I truly feel blessed though that I found this place as soon as my waking up process began! I just do not think it was an accident!

Nomex said:

I'm not allowed to even mention my wife on here. If she finds out, and I am really taking a risk here writing this, but she's kind of like you said,

she's seems to be trying as hard as she can to fool herself into thinking somehow this isn't happening and things will go back to like they were before Covid. She wants to still have a relationship with my brother and his wife, and I know better, we are better off having nothing to do with them. Both his kids left the "truth" and all he say is, "Satan just uses your kids against you." Never has it occurred to him it's his fault and the WT's.

Don't get me wrong I understand how and why she feels this way, it's all we have ever known. But so many JW's I have known all throughout the years, not all but many, are just not nice people. And yet, everyone i consider to be a friend is one of JW's. It is a dilemma to be sure. Anyway, we have each other here, and we need each other. We have done what the vast majority have not and will not do...WAKE UP!!!!

I truly feel blessed though that Io found this place as soon as my waking up process began! I just do not think it was an accident!

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So understandable why she feels that way! The unthinkable happened - the truth is not the truth! That’s a giant nightmare come to reality! It’s been our entire foundation, hope, relationships, literally everything! Keep trying with her.
This discussion forum has been a lifesaver! When you first start stumbling out of the FOG you’re desperate to make sense of what’s happening. You’re afraid of saying too much and especially who you can talk to. Finding those you can speak truth with is invaluable to maintain your sanity and the courage to do what needs to be done with clarity! Thank you all for sharing, commenting, disagreeing, correcting, comforting, and laughing through the madness! 🙏🙏💜💜

Citrine said:

He is still saying he feels like he’s in a bad dream he can’t wake up from. We will be fine once this bumpy patch is over and look forward to an awesome 2023! No more guilt, no more fear, and no more being in a high control org! 🙌

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I am afraid the nightmare is just about to begin. Russia is just waiting for the ground to freeze in Ukraine and then they are going to take down NATO's puppet state. The Anglo empire has stated that Russia cannot be allowed to win. So, it will be WW3. Just imagine how the entire organization is going to react when everything blows up. The GB has lulled JW's into a false sense of security. Christ has come, we are in spiritual paradise, the tribulation is on Babylon the Great, blah, blah, blah. Reality will burst through though like a hypersonic projectile and it will become obvious that 1914 was a massive delusion. Then what? Jesus explains: "Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another." I would urge you to stick it out until then. You might be able to help others wake up from the nightmare that is about to descend on the world provided you have the faith, and if you do not throw away your freeness of speech.

Citrine said:

I’ve not been on here much lately and apologize to those that have messaged me - I will get caught up asap! We had to face the music that this was the end of the line. No more pretending, no more playing along. My husband submitted his email to our elder body that he was stepping down immediately and linked the org statement that elders must be vxd for the upcoming school. Thanks to @Joe MacTeeg for his kind guidance in this delicate process! 🙏
As expected my husband began receiving the elder calls to get together and talk. We know the dangers of that course. For now we are just declining to meet or talk, just reassuring them we are fine and appreciate their concern. I’m a few months ahead of my husband in the whole waking up process and just want to move on with our lives, I’m beyond looking for any redemption in the org. He is still saying he feels like he’s in a bad dream he can’t wake up from. We will be fine once this bumpy patch is over and look forward to an awesome 2023! No more guilt, no more fear, and no more being in a high control org! 🙌

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Hello Citrine , I think it is very good to refuse to talk
The bible simply says that you should not get into discussions and debates
You know that if you agree to talk to them, they will only try to convince you
Being in that situation is overwhelming and exhausting.
I was recently enduring 6 elders and the circuit overseer trying to convince me
I never had so much stress in my life
It wasn't because I doubted what I believe, it was because it was impossible to make them reason and they accused me with lies.
It is better to argue that vaccination is a matter of conscience and issues of conscience are not discussed
If you start talking to them, they will try to find out where you stand on GB and maybe start a chase.
I believe that you only have to speak when you perceive that the person who listens to you is reasonable, mature and spiritual.

Citrine said:

I’ve not been on here much lately and apologize to those that have messaged me - I will get caught up asap! We had to face the music that this was the end of the line. No more pretending, no more playing along. My husband submitted his email to our elder body that he was stepping down immediately and linked the org statement that elders must be vxd for the upcoming school. Thanks to @Joe MacTeeg for his kind guidance in this delicate process! 🙏
As expected my husband began receiving the elder calls to get together and talk. We know the dangers of that course. For now we are just declining to meet or talk, just reassuring them we are fine and appreciate their concern. I’m a few months ahead of my husband in the whole waking up process and just want to move on with our lives, I’m beyond looking for any redemption in the org. He is still saying he feels like he’s in a bad dream he can’t wake up from. We will be fine once this bumpy patch is over and look forward to an awesome 2023! No more guilt, no more fear, and no more being in a high control org! 🙌

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Dear Sister Citrine, I am so sorry that you have had to experience all the evidence of the health damage to the friends. Because of your business you see the devastation and grief first hand, something many of us are not experiencing or really still distanced from most of it. This must be a crushing burden to you and then to see the vaccine still mandated and promoted by those who profess love and care for the brothers and sisters, while destroying their health and sometimes even causing their deaths. This is really beyond sad and I hope and pray that Jehovah will give the strength you need to keep your faith strong. Please keep us updated on your situation.

The org play a song that was given them. There are a few notes that they cannot nor will they ever play correctly and they produce a discordant sound every time they try. Our people hear the faulty notes and continue to ignore them. The fear of losing our connection to our people is powerful enough to make people pretend they don't hear the flaws and it creates cognitive dissonance.
Do I go left or right? Not long before I met up with the JW I had already made the decision to follow a path of looking for truth, wherever it led me and as I began to study with them, I reminded myself that I had been fooled before.
Not exactly something that we want to repeat. The Holy Bible is a thick book and it used to seem larger than a mountain to me. Now with help I've whittled it into approachable sizes. One of the realizations that I got from RK's site is that everything happening right now was told to us through scripture. For a time, we misapplied certain scripture and who it applied to because we were escorted through scripture so we wouldn't pay attention to the things on the sides. Think of North Korea and how they use handlers to escort visitors to their country.
Things are just getting started. For those who are here, you heard the misplayed notes. It's time to start filling in the correct ones so the song sounds right.

BagdadBill said:

The org play a song that was given them. There are a few notes that they cannot nor will they ever play correctly and they produce a discordant sound every time they try. Our people hear the faulty notes and continue to ignore them. The fear of losing our connection to our people is powerful enough to make people pretend they don't hear the flaws and it creates cognitive dissonance.
Do I go left or right? Not long before I met up with the JW I had already made the decision to follow a path of looking for truth, wherever it led me and as I began to study with them, I reminded myself that I had been fooled before.
Not exactly something that we want to repeat. The Holy Bible is a thick book and it used to seem larger than a mountain to me. Now with help I've whittled it into approachable sizes. One of the realizations that I got from RK's site is that everything happening right now was told to us through scripture. For a time, we misapplied certain scripture and who it applied to because we were escorted through scripture so we wouldn't pay attention to the things on the sides. Think of North Korea and how they use handlers to escort visitors to their country.
Things are just getting started. For those who are here, you heard the misplayed notes. It's time to start filling in the correct ones so the song sounds right.

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Which song is that Bill? I have noticed a lot of songs are discordant, I just thought it was because they had been originally written and put to music in other languages. I am intrigued by this.

Citrine said:

I’ve not been on here much lately and apologize to those that have messaged me - I will get caught up asap! We had to face the music that this was the end of the line. No more pretending, no more playing along. My husband submitted his email to our elder body that he was stepping down immediately and linked the org statement that elders must be vxd for the upcoming school. Thanks to @Joe MacTeeg for his kind guidance in this delicate process! 🙏
As expected my husband began receiving the elder calls to get together and talk. We know the dangers of that course. For now we are just declining to meet or talk, just reassuring them we are fine and appreciate their concern. I’m a few months ahead of my husband in the whole waking up process and just want to move on with our lives, I’m beyond looking for any redemption in the org. He is still saying he feels like he’s in a bad dream he can’t wake up from. We will be fine once this bumpy patch is over and look forward to an awesome 2023! No more guilt, no more fear, and no more being in a high control org! 🙌

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You go gurl! Go live your life and enjoy your freedom. Live, Love, Create and be happy. I'm very happy for you both. My thoughts are with you and hubby. He will come around and it will be awesome. Im jealous in a good way. Someday I'll make it out as well. You're an inspiration.

Rollercoaster said:

Which song is that Bill? I have noticed a lot of songs are discordant, I just thought it was because they had been originally written and put to music in other languages. I am intrigued by this.

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God's song of truth. Metaphor. Sorry if I was confusing

BagdadBill said:

God's song of truth. Metaphor. Sorry if I was confusing

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I get you. Yeah, the actual problem of discordant songs, words not matching the music confused me, lol. Thank you for clarifying.

BagdadBill said:

The org play a song that was given them. There are a few notes that they cannot nor will they ever play correctly and they produce a discordant sound every time they try. Our people hear the faulty notes and continue to ignore them. The fear of losing our connection to our people is powerful enough to make people pretend they don't hear the flaws and it creates cognitive dissonance.
Do I go left or right? Not long before I met up with the JW I had already made the decision to follow a path of looking for truth, wherever it led me and as I began to study with them, I reminded myself that I had been fooled before.
Not exactly something that we want to repeat. The Holy Bible is a thick book and it used to seem larger than a mountain to me. Now with help I've whittled it into approachable sizes. One of the realizations that I got from RK's site is that everything happening right now was told to us through scripture. For a time, we misapplied certain scripture and who it applied to because we were escorted through scripture so we wouldn't pay attention to the things on the sides. Think of North Korea and how they use handlers to escort visitors to their country.
Things are just getting started. For those who are here, you heard the misplayed notes. It's time to start filling in the correct ones so the song sounds right.

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I love your illustration of the song with some wrong notes.

Citrine said:

So understandable why she feels that way! The unthinkable happened - the truth is not the truth! That’s a giant nightmare come to reality! It’s been our entire foundation, hope, relationships, literally everything! Keep trying with her.
This discussion forum has been a lifesaver! When you first start stumbling out of the FOG you’re desperate to make sense of what’s happening. You’re afraid of saying too much and especially who you can talk to. Finding those you can speak truth with is invaluable to maintain your sanity and the courage to do what needs to be done with clarity! Thank you all for sharing, commenting, disagreeing, correcting, comforting, and laughing through the madness! 🙏🙏💜💜

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Meditator and I were talking about you and your husband this morning. We reflected on the fact that the GB, the Elders, etc. have all willing accepted the task of shepherd and all that implies. They all knew beforehand that with that privilege comes responsibility. Meditator and I are so proud of you and your husband by taking a stand that the GB vaccine edicts are not acceptable and you will not be a part of it. I don’t think you could “speak” any louder and I think you’ll be surprised at how many will “hear” it.

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Meditator and I were talking about you and your husband this morning. We reflected on the fact that the GB, the Elders, etc. have all willing accepted the task of shepherd and all that implies. They all knew beforehand that with that privilege comes responsibility. Meditator and I are so proud of you and your husband by taking a stand that the GB vaccine edicts are not acceptable and you will not be a part of it. I don’t think you could “speak” any louder and I think you’ll be surprised at how many will “hear” it.

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That’s very kind of you to say but to be honest we feel like we were cowardly. We allowed the GB to silence us early on and to spare us any troubles from speaking out. We had many friends contact us directly about the vx and our standard reply was that we weren’t going to take it but everyone had to make their own decision. I wish i was bold then - maybe I could have prevented my own brothers and nieces from taking the vx. They are showing health problems now and I have to live with that. 😔

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That’s very kind of you to say but to be honest we feel like we were cowardly. We allowed the GB to silence us early on and to spare us any troubles from speaking out. We had many friends contact us directly about the vx and our standard reply was that we weren’t going to take it but everyone had to make their own decision. I wish i was bold then - maybe I could have prevented my own brothers and nieces from taking the vx. They are showing health problems now and I have to live with that. 😔

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But there is a learning curve and if we influence others before we know all the facts that would not be good also.

Citrine said:

Keep trying with her.

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She's an enigma for sure. She feels exactly like all of us here do, she just doesn't want to admit it to anyone except me. Although she has told a few of our non witness friends, like neighbors and parents in our kids school. Like she's said we are not happy with what WT leadership has done, because we are still JW's and are not allowing our kids to be involved in holidays...and I have had to do the same.

She talked about it a little with a Mom in our neighborhood. Her husband thought he had an in to invite us to this church here. When he brought it up I started with "well there are certain things I will never change my mind about. Jesus is the Son of God, not God, there is no Hell, we do not have an immortal soul" etc, and after about 15-20 minutes of me laying it all out, oh and he was asking questions, I paused and said, "I bet you didn't expect all that." And he laughed and said, "well I'm gonna go back to...." what he was working on at his house.

Citrine said:

to be honest we feel like we were cowardly.

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Don't feel like that! Don't second guess decisions you could have, should have, what ever. When my one brother died we were not really on speaking terms. Not long before he did himself in, I tried to call him. He did not pick up and I left a message on his answering machine. That was the last time we had any "communication." I have never allowed myself to say to myself, "what if?" It's not our fault it's Satan and his system. As the saying goes "Hind site is 20/20." You

Many of the superior authorities are not in agreement about the vaccine (Florida, Denmark, Alberta etc.). That alone should be pause for concern.

Watchman said:

I am afraid the nightmare is just about to begin. Russia is just waiting for the ground to freeze in Ukraine and then they are going to take down NATO's puppet state. The Anglo empire has stated that Russia cannot be allowed to win. So, it will be WW3. Just imagine how the entire organization is going to react when everything blows up. The GB has lulled JW's into a false sense of security. Christ has come, we are in spiritual paradise, the tribulation is on Babylon the Great, blah, blah, blah. Reality will burst through though like a hypersonic projectile and it will become obvious that 1914 was a massive delusion. Then what? Jesus explains: "Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another." I would urge you to stick it out until then. You might be able to help others wake up from the nightmare that is about to descend on the world provided you have the faith, and if you do not throw away your freeness of speech.

Do not throw away your freeness of speech

Jesus personally invited some men to be his followers. And they immediately responded and followed him—quite literally. They literally walked behind him as Christ traveled the countryside and visited villages, preaching and healing the sick. They followed him right up to the moment Jesus was...

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And this is still taking place...

BagdadBill said:

The Holy Bible is a thick book and it used to seem larger than a mountain to me. Now with help I've whittled it into approachable sizes.

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Bill, you are a poet and don't even know it. So true about the Bible and many other things in life. They can seem monumental but when we start to study them, break them down, they become more and more understandable, smaller, and in the Bible's case, more comforting.