“Jehovah has helped the FDS to discern deeper principles & understanding” Kenneth Cook 🧐
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MickHewitt
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A landmark understanding of God's word to be iterated? The brothers are neither inspired nor infallable they neither need to apologise for not getting it right previously! 12:40min. It can err in doctrinal matters or organisational direction! This is welcomingly contrite! Going on to say 'We are glad to recieve clarification, when it arrives we readily accept that!. They must have been tuning in to Jehovah's watchman at last!
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SusanB
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The problem with admitting that it is Holy Spirit that provides the inspiration or direction to a more clear understanding is that on the old errors did they not believe they were also inspired by Holy Spirit? So, implied in their very own admission is that there are teachings that they previously viewed as directed by Holy Spirit, same as being inspired although they deny this, and their new understanding is also directed by Holy Spirit. So why believe someone who has a proven track record of wrongly thinking they were being directed by Holy Spirit? Where did Jehovah ever excuse someone who made the claim they were being directed by Jehovah’s Holy Spirit and later admitted they were wrong? Isn’t that admitting either mental illness or arrogance? Probably both.
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Brother potato
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Just a bunch of double talk
Nomex
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This is perhaps the most flagrant confession to their arrogance of all time. And...
I keep asking this obvious question, and the fact that nobody among the Rank and file actually ask this question, really is actual proof that they are brain washed...and that is, if they are not inspired how exactly is God communicating with them? If they are not inspired that means he is NOT communicating with them. What they are really saying is...."we aren't inspired or infallible, we just have feelings about what the bible means!" What could go wrong? Oh, maybe that scripture that says "it does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." Not to mention even if they were "appointed as the faithful slave", key word here, "slave" they are fellow slaves they were not appointed our masters...but that's the real issue, what they actually believe is that they were appointed as our masters....and of course that's why they get so mad if you even question them. Just like King George, you don't dare question the King, or he'll cut your head off, of second best DF you!
well said. I guess there saying sometimes the channel gets alittle fuzzy and they get it wrong but hey they are imperfect so dont hold that against them. Just remember they are the channel and dont doubt or question them. Make sense?
I've almost finished the video. The guy did bring up one good point that stood out: Watchtower would be interested in hearing what certain 'apostates' are saying. That got me thinking; they've probably been lurking on Robert's website for a while now. Some of you have already pointed this out on other occasions, but considering what the Governing Body (GB) is doing, that seems more and more likely. They might even be browsing these forums. Hey, fellas!
When you think about it, we are a rather odd bunch. We're still Jehovah's Witnesses. We believe in the truth, but we have a bunch of issues with the organization. Some of us here may even still be active, and that's kind of unusual behavior for apostates. We're all supposed to be lost in perpetual darkness and unable to make any valid points. I want to believe this is a good thing, but the guy in the video suggested that they may be attempting to be more mainstream, and that's also possible. If that's the case, things could get weird pretty quickly.
They're not just using the wrong equipment; they're using it for the wrong reasons potentially. It's possible it's bigger than any one GB member. Some of them may be genuine, and obviously, some will be legitimate. I actually agree with some of these new positions. Unfortunately, the game that's already in progress is rigged against us. I hope they are ready.
When you think about it, we are a rather odd bunch. We're still Jehovah's Witnesses. We believe in the truth, but we have a bunch of issues with the organization. Some of us here may even still be active, and that's kind of unusual behavior for apostates. We're all supposed to be lost in perpetual darkness and unable to make any valid points. I want to believe this is a good thing, but the guy in the video suggested that they may be attempting to be more mainstream, and that's also possible. If that's the case, things could get weird pretty quickly.
They're not just using the wrong equipment; they're using it for the wrong reasons potentially. It's possible it's bigger than any one GB member. Some of them may be genuine, and obviously, some will be legitimate. I actually agree with some of these new positions. Unfortunately, the game that's already in progress is rigged against us. I hope they are ready.
I am happy to hear about these changes. Some people may mock them for having "New Light". Well then, maybe Orthodoxy is your preference and there is LOTS of big problems in Orthodoxy beliefs. It also shows humility when having new biblical understanding, knowing that you are correcting what you previously knew in the past. That's far more wise than Orthodoxy, believing in traditions steeped in lies. Such as the Trinity and hell fire and so on. You think those religions would be humble enough to claim that their beliefs on hell fire and everlasting torment was wrong? No way in hell would they be humble enough to say that even if they might be thinking of it.
Also, I had conversations with family before. Regarding being saved at the time of Armageddon. They believed only baptized JW's and their children would be saved only. Any non baptized JW will perish by the time of Armageddon. It's why I got baptized after highschool, as that fear of not making it through Armageddon (if it came during my lifetime) scared me as I was no longer a child after 18. I'm still happy I dedicated myself to God of course.
Though, thinking back I seen multiple examples of bible scriptures of Jehovah making exceptions to certain ones that had a good heart condition and faith and he made a covenant of such ones, like the man who died next to Jesus knowing his faith and heart condition even told him that he will be in paradise, despite him not being baptized. And other examples are of the Boreans. Even though they had different beliefs they had utmost respect for Jehovah and they had a good heart condition despite not being baptized.
And then, there are those few baptized JW's that have a wicked heart. Maybe they were once good but then turned wicked. Even though they were baptized, they would not get a resurrection because Jehovah saw that their spirit had become wicked.
So now I can show my dad that I was correct with this new adjustment for understanding. He wouldn't agree with me unless it came out of the faithful discreet slaves mouth. Which is another problem. Thinking they are perfect in direction. And giving such high praise to them like if the GB are celebrities when I always seen them as regular people that make mistakes like everyone else.
Also, I had conversations with family before. Regarding being saved at the time of Armageddon. They believed only baptized JW's and their children would be saved only. Any non baptized JW will perish by the time of Armageddon. It's why I got baptized after highschool, as that fear of not making it through Armageddon (if it came during my lifetime) scared me as I was no longer a child after 18. I'm still happy I dedicated myself to God of course.
Though, thinking back I seen multiple examples of bible scriptures of Jehovah making exceptions to certain ones that had a good heart condition and faith and he made a covenant of such ones, like the man who died next to Jesus knowing his faith and heart condition even told him that he will be in paradise, despite him not being baptized. And other examples are of the Boreans. Even though they had different beliefs they had utmost respect for Jehovah and they had a good heart condition despite not being baptized.
And then, there are those few baptized JW's that have a wicked heart. Maybe they were once good but then turned wicked. Even though they were baptized, they would not get a resurrection because Jehovah saw that their spirit had become wicked.
So now I can show my dad that I was correct with this new adjustment for understanding. He wouldn't agree with me unless it came out of the faithful discreet slaves mouth. Which is another problem. Thinking they are perfect in direction. And giving such high praise to them like if the GB are celebrities when I always seen them as regular people that make mistakes like everyone else.
Shekinah
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I agree, but I think they don’t mind owning up to prior mistakes as they don’t see them as such, in fact they see it as the light getting progressively brighter, which is to show they’re being used by Jehovah.
They also believe they are the ones sharing unadulterated truth, I’ll be impressed when they reveal the truth about the bioweapons which they claim is endorsed by Jehovah.
Nomex
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There is nothing wrong with what you've said. I enjoyed your whole comment, the problem is...
This...this is on the money and I would go one further. They are NOT humble. The direction form the GB is every single one of us, just for posting on this site would be disfellowshipped for simply disagreeing with them, and if your dumb enough to think you can reason with any of the vast majority of the "friends" they will soft shun you for simply voicing your concern with the GB just like @Ms_ladyblue SIN and daughter are doing. Which is disgraceful and is 100% proof IMO that there is no Holy Spirit in this Org, although there is obvious exceptions like us on this forum who are actually groaning over the detestable things the org is doing.
@Soul Sage Regardless it was a nice comment and there is something of a quality to your overall attitude, which I can appreciate! I guess I am just a little more cynical having experienced the soft shunning from my own family for most of my life, without even knowing what I had done. That is NOT a Christian quality!
I agree with your statement 100%. There is no humility with these men at all. I think Soul Sage is being quite naive. They have spoken for Jehovah in declaring a vaccine effective to remain in the land of the living. They have a database of sexual predators and have downtrodden the victims of sexual abuse. There partnership with the UN and referring to the UN as " the experts". My whole family has been down that road concerning pedophiles in the organization and have been crumpled and discarded in the trash. I wont get into details but anything they are saying is only a CYA move.
Summit
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Whether they are looking at this website or not I couldn't say. I don't think any of the changes reflect much of what is discussed here. I appreciate the guy posting that video, but his viewpoints are questionable. If the WT is watching anything I'm sure the series 'the chosen' is one of the things, as it is one of the best shows i've personally seen regarding the life of Jesus and the disciples. It could be the WT wants to make their own more accurate version(although the chosen did pretty good job). I'm sure the Chosen series made quite a bit of money, perhaps the WT sees this as a potential avenue for creating some $$$. I'm not sure how that model of having people pay for the series would work since they give everything away for free now, but it just crossed my mind.
Also, the guy who made the video kept saying the WT was going to a Jesus centered type of worship. Thats never gonna happen. Even Jesus said that the 'father is looking for those to worship HIM(the father) with spirit and truth'. Jesus always directed his praise and honor to the Father. He never asked, told, or implied that he wanted to be worshipped. He is the mediator between the Father, and all praise, glory, and honor directed to the Father must go through him. We don't worship Jesus, we worship Jehovah through Jesus, and I don't see the WT changing that.
Summit
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Here is the problem, and why it causes so much confusion. The whole 'new light' concept goes completely contrary to scripture because it infers that the 'old' light was not correct, which in itself implies that Jehovah was incorrect. There is nothing in the bible to convey the new light idea, but rather that the original light gets brighter.
“. . .But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established. . .” (Pr 4:18)
There is NO new light, it is the same light that God increases until the day is firmly established. How is it they do not see that this simple misapplication of the meaning of scripture causes so much confusion? It's one thing to say God is helping us to make the light brighter, than to say God has given us new light. Making something brighter or easier to see allows for a certain amount of not knowing, for a grey area that was indistinguishable until the light got brighter. They could make it so much easier for themselves if they would just stop using the 'new light' phrase, and the fact that they can't see this boggles my brain.
I get what you are saying as well as others that had quoted me. Though, it's important to consider God's viewpoint from his perspective, not our own human perspective. From our human perspectives there are 2 directions we can go. Orthodoxy or New light direction. New light direction might give a bad vibe because of the organizations mistakes which is fare but ultimately we want to transcend that way of thinking and not think from the human perspective. Jehovah may blind certain ones in order for prophecy to become fulfilled. Joseph could of forever held a grudge because his brothers were jealous of him as he was the fathers favorite son. Getting sold into slavery by his very own brothers, that's something very hard to forgive. Yet, Joseph didn't rely on his own understanding. Jehovah directed his step through the good times and bad times. Joseph could of returned to his father's house sooner after he was freed as a slave and go back to the old way of life but instead Jehovah gave him this direction as it was a path towards something prophetic that Joseph was involved in. Even after all of that, Joseph understood that and it's why he did not seek revenge against his brothers for selling him into slavery. And instead of living his own old way of life he accepted new direction from Jehovah when the time was right to set up prophecy getting fulfilled.
To me personally, those GB members are Joseph's brothers that sold me into slavery within the organization. I really disliked their direction on covid policy. But I also realize Jehovah puts blinders on them for a reason. To fulfill Bible prophecy. The Covid policy was a presecursor to set up the prophetic new world order with the influence of the AntiChrist system of governance. Yeah, it's setting up for something bad and diabolically evil, just like how Joseph was set up for something bad when he was sold into slavery. So it's important to take our own human perspective and understanding out of it, pray to Jehovah for direction and to reveal truth. It's what has happened to me now as I write this, as Jehovah revealed this scriptural example to me suddenly to share to others here, and no I'm not anyone special I'm just like anyone else here when you allow Jehovah to direct your step and not rely on your own human perspective.
Really hard to tell these days, isn't it? You never know what kind of critic you're gonna get. It's important to take everything with a grain of salt. Still, I have found some fair points from people I disagree with, even from atheists. I still watch Atheism is Unstoppable. Absolutely love his TYT take down videos. There's this young man I watch a lot who runs the Truth Unedited Youtube channel, and he's not even JW. But I nevertheless have some major things in common with him. He recognizes there is a difference between Jesus and his father. He rejects once saved always saved. He encourages people to remain set apart in the world.
And although we do have major disagreements on various issues, hell, the tribulation, who goes to heaven, what the last days mean, when it starts, who the chosen people were and who they will be in the future, and potentially the shape of the earth. Those things may be minor and major, I still think the work he's doing is very valuable. It's possible to suffer from many false beliefs and yet still have valuable things to contribute.
I agree. They have definitely noticed The Chosen. They could potentially make an even better Jesus centered film/mini series. Unfortunately, I doubt they will. Like all their other films they will almost certainly use it as a vehicle for putting trust in the organization somehow. Hate it when they do that. It's gonna be very hard to beat The Chosen. That show was produced in an engaging way. It's not just a sermon masquerading as a show. That's one of my biggest issues with "Christian" themed movies and TV shows. They are almost all terrible. The writing, the acting, the pacing, they're embarrassing. And the thing that sucks is I want them to be better. I want to see good bible based entertainment, and I know it's possible. Look at the Chosen. There are others too, but for the most part they are awful. The following video perfectly sums it up for me.
They honestly should mention Christ more than they do. This is part of the criticisms from people I think they heard about. It's not about worshiping Christ. It's about salvation through his sacrifice. Jah empowered Christ with a LOT. We pray through his name. Our ticket to Jah can only come through following Christ. So while I don't think that means we forget about Jah. We do need to remember what Christ did for us and honor his sacrifice. Christ is second only to the father.
Summit
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So you are saying Jehovah made the light brighter for Joseph as he went along, which pretty much sums up what I was saying. Not sure how I was looking at it from a human perspective, thats why I quoted a verse to bring the thinking in line with Gods thoughts, maybe you are meaning the WT. I do appreciate your analogy though, thank you.
To me the concept of "new light" is a red herring. The light we see gradually gets brighter. It's not a new light. It's the same light. It's just getting brighter. We're supposed to be humble and recognize our limitations. New light implies God has given you something new, when in reality we're just becoming more aware of what has always existed in the background.