You guys should be actually happy with this new light teaching with all the things you complain about. Now when the GB gets new light that is more in line with your views, you still complain about it. I don't get that. At least be intellectually honest with yourselves and forget about the contempt you may have towards the GB as that vitriol clouds your judgement.
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Nomex
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A broken clock is right twice a day! Having said that, answer my question. Since the GB admit they are not inspired nor infallible, in what way is Jehovah communicating to the GB and, in any, way, shape or fashion, since they are "Jehovah's channel", can you describe this phenomenon? We all know the answer...you can't! They can't either, because it isn't happening!
Nomex
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What is the most revealing, is because they know they shouldn't dare assume to speak for God.. the real reason they say they "are not inspired nor infallible," is because they know they are frauds. And it is cover for their fraud!
DR75 less 1
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We don't have anything to be happy about the brother's hypocrisy. The thing is the G/B don't realize there is no "new light" The bible is old not new. It is sad that there are many still in the org who are not awake to the G/B's corruption and never will prehaps.
at 22:32 Jeffrey Jackson
I agree with your statement. A broken clock is right twice a day. And I said before in the past, if anyone is a mature Christian with a good foundation of knowledge for the scriptures and meditates on God's word and prays for wisdom and understanding, they too also have the ability to access Jehovah's channel. It's not exclusive to the GB. So I obviously disagree with them on being the only source for God's channel upon other things. But I still listen to what they have to say instead of scoff about it out of contempt and ignore them based upon a pure emotional response devoid of reasoning.
Actually this "new light" regarding the resurrection of ones destroyed during the flood and Sodom and Gomorrah has changed NINE TIMES!
changes over the years:
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With that said. Has your biblical understanding become better than before? New understanding is new light. To see the Bible as Orthodox as possible would mean that we would still believe in hellfire and heaven. I much rather side with "new light" instead of Orthodoxy.
BARNABY THE DOG.
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EVW has given you the time. I should as a Christian have trawled through it again for you to find it, but I just could not endure the prospect of revisiting such a display of utter confabulation on their part. ☹️
BARNABY THE DOG.
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It probably seems so if you look at the issue superficially. However, the facts are far deeper and meaningful. The matter is one of overall deceit - imposing upon the brethren with unnecessary burdens, then relieving them of such as a “gift” of new light, even mocking Jehovah and Jesus in their commentary to support their storyline - not least that they claim honour in this “new light” in much the same way as Moses striking the rock to bring forth, not water, but new light.
There are many truths that the watchtower bring to the table, but it is the deceit that is their mission, not only in all that they do, but in prophesy primarily. That is their reason for existence. What you miss in your search to justify your criticism is the very real burden that their teaching overall, places upon the brethren. What they are presenting is not new light in the least. That is what they call it. What it is in fact, is the release from a superficial and unnecessary burden that they imposed under the name of Jehovah but that never existed or was even uttered by Jehovah, but by them. Their attitude to these false impositions in thinking was summed up in their remarkable mockery of a conversation between Jesus and Jehovah over the resurrection. These “changes” or “new light” are not a cause for happiness on anyone’s part. It is merely confirmation of their contemptuous disrespect for Jehovah and for their role as shepherds that they should feed the flock on such supercilious, vacuous and insulting tripe, passed off as spiritual food at the proper time. “Proper time” be damned. It was never either proper or timely food, but lies and deceit. You should look more deeply rather than assume such a supercilious attitude.
DR75 less 1
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My understanding of the bible is improving slowly over time. Guess you were at a dis-advantage. I only ever started my study of the bible when I started studying the basic bible doctrine with the W/T. I never did study the nonsense as it seems that you did?. New understanding is new understanding, NOT "new light" The W/T made that stuff up. But then they made/make up a lot of stuff.
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DR75 less 1
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According to the scripture the light gets brighter. Changed nine times don't sound like "Gets brighter" Sounds more like changing a blown bulb often.
According to the scripture the light gets brighter. Changed nine times don't sound like "Gets brighter" Sounds more like changing a blown bulb often.
Sure does.
KingdomLeast
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Yeah, they fired C.T. Russell twice. They took the Slave title from him and applied it to themselves, after all they taught that they were appoint by the Lord in 1919, so Russell couldn't possibly be "that Servant" since he died in 1914 or even be a member of the "Governing Body". Oddly enough a few years back that they stated the following:
18 In view of the foregoing, what can we conclude? When Jesus comes for judgment during the great tribulation, he will find that the faithful slave has been loyally dispensing timely spiritual food to the domestics. Jesus will then delight in making the second appointment—over all his belongings. Those who make up the faithful slave will get this appointment when they receive their heavenly reward, becoming corulers with Christ.
19 Does the faithful slave receive a greater reward in heaven than the rest of the anointed? No. A reward promised to a small group in one setting may ultimately be shared by others. For example, consider what Jesus said to his 11 faithful apostles the night before he died. (Read Luke 22:28-30.) Jesus promised that small group of men that a fine reward awaited them for their faithfulness. They would share his throne of kingly authority. But years later, he indicated that all of the 144,000 will sit on thrones and share his rulership. (Rev. 1:1; 3:21) Similarly, as stated at Matthew 24:47, he promised that a small group of men—the anointed brothers who make up the faithful slave—will be appointed over all his belongings. In reality, all of the 144,000 will share his vast heavenly authority.—Rev. 20:4, 6.
This is from the July 2013 Watchtower Study edition. So if the GB hasn't been appointed over all the Lord's domestics, why do you act like they have?
Nomex
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This is a pretty hilarious comment actually. It really a very significant demonstration of cognitive dissonance that you have just revealed. You claim you are not having an "emotional response", yet that is exactly what you are doing. I don't even know where to begin. Let me just start with the fact that if you are listening to them, that requires you to ignore all the evidence that you shouldn't be listening to them. In fact it's just absurd that you are here, which according to the ones you admit you are listening too, would disfellowship you as an apostate, yet you can find yourself defending these actual apostates. This statement if you made it public, would get you DF'd, and you know it>
You are not being intellectually honest with us and more importantly with yourself! What did "Comb Over" Splane say, "you have to ask yourself if you really believe we are "God's Organization?" What he really means is "Don't you dare question anything we say." Like I said before the reason they named themselves exclusively the "faithful and discrete slave" is because they are arrogant asses, who don't want us "Plebs" opening our mouths and questioning anything they say. Another quite wonderful quote from "Come Over". "You may say what do they know?" Referring to themselves the GB/Self appoint F.S. And then he says this gem, "Wrong question, what does Jehovah know." That was when I knew they were liars and frauds and there was know going back. "What does Jehovah know?" Why don't you be honest with yourself and ask yourself, what did Splane mean when he said that? He's elevated the GB to God's level because he is implying not only that they are communicating with God, but that they are the only ones on earth who have that status. Blasphemers!
My Father went to prison for his faith, during WWII and he wasn't even a baptized witness, because he was studying and he was convinced this was the "truth" So I have a very long and deep and historic understanding very few people can claim of this Org. This isn't the same Org, and hasn't been for a very long time!
These men are not humble men, and without humility they CANNOT have Jehovah's spirit. So I say again, you are not being intellectually honest, and the reason you aren't is actually because of your emotional attachment to the Org. So you are the one, having a pure "emotional response."
And I will prove it even further, the only way you can defend these men, clearly under the control of Satan, is by ignoring the facts and using emotionally motivated reasoning to ignore your lying eyes. When Jesus said "Do as they say not as they do", he was talking about the things the Pharisees said that were in harmony with God's Word. These arrogant men cannot possibly have access to Jehovah's Holy spirit because their arrogance disqualifies them! So the only way they have any kind of "new light" is by plagiarism because they are not the source. What they are really claiming is they are our mediator to our mediator and it disgusts me, because they are blasphemers! They are not the "faithful and discreet slave", because they do not even believe they are "slaves" they believe they are our masters!
Nomex
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And this reminds me of what the arrogant Jews are doing to the Palestinians, carpet bombing women and children in collective punishment because they believe they are "God's Chosen people" and they have Jehovah's blessing for genocide! The exact same arrogance which led them to kill Jesus! BTW, if Jesus came to the earth today, the GB would summarily DF him, but only because they couldn't kill him! This is who you are defending!
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Ms_ladyblue
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Additionally, they’d DF him for having a beard.
Nomex
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Yeah, I don't get it. But I have stopped trying to make sense of why seemly really smart people do really stupid things. My brothers are prime examples. I don't get how really smart people can be so dumb. But I suppose that's part of what Satan was counting on. He managed to deceive himself, so is it such a stretch that he can deceive other wise very smart people? That's why it is so important to analyze what motivates a person. People who pick Satan's side do so because they are arrogant. That is why I personally believe our most important quality is humility. Especially if you are a smart person. I have speculated that Satan was 3rd in line so to speak. The second created being. His position and rank were not good enough for him, he wanted more.
Nomex
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Nice one! Hilariously true. They would remove all his privileges and if he spoke out about it, they'd label him "having a bad attitude", it's so obvious that history is repeating itself. It's also obvious that's the whole damn point! These self proclaimed masters haven't got a clue, and they hate anyone who does!