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Seadog

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It sounds to me like many of the brothers and sisters are taking a play book from the Catholics. Pretending to be members of the “religion” while not really agreeing with the doctrines.
I think this is a very important point. So many Bros told me to put my clot shot GB endorsement concerns “in a box” and carry on. They even stopped arguing with me about the evil involved but just wanted me to carry on as a faithful little rank and file. And reinstate my monthly contributions.
 

Nomex

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BTW @Soul Sage I know I crossed the line with you in the past. I do respect you and your point of view. And I have really tried hard not to take things with you or anyone else to that level again where I loose the plot, and my argument. So I'd ask that you understand I am passionate about what I say and think, but it comes from a place of knowledge and experience, but I am humble! I speak my mind because I think I am right, but not because I don't think I could be wrong. I am well aware I could be...but I doubt very much that I am wrong where it counts! So please don't take anything I say as attacking you...I only did that once, and instantly regretted it and knew immediately I was wrong! :oops:
 

Nomex

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I think this is a very important point. So many Bros told me to put my clot shot GB endorsement concerns “in a box” and carry on. They even stopped arguing with me about the evil involved but just wanted me to carry on as a faithful little rank and file. And reinstate my monthly contributions.
My older brother whose an Elder wasn't ever going to take the clot shot, until the GB made clear if you were obedient you would...and like the good non-thinking slave that he is, he and his wife, whose had many many health problems both took it. The irony of this though, is his wife was soft shunned anyway, because she didn't get the booster. Some didn't want to work with her in service because of it. Which is the biggest "1984" of them all. Who exactly is a vaccine protecting you from in not infected people. Which is in fact an admission people know they don't work. But that just proves subconsciously they know it's not doing squat! Vaccines are the wet dream car salesmen double speak BS lying made up sales tactic of all time.
 

Nomex

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So many Bros told me to put my clot shot GB endorsement concerns “in a box” and carry on.
I just thought of this also...if you grab a hot pan out of the oven without an oven mit, you're gonna get burned. But if you put on an oven mit, you're good to go. That's what a vaccine is supposed to be. It doesn't matter if no one else put's on an oven mit, and they all get burned or they all wear oven mits and you don't, you still get burned. Your chances of getting burned do not go down or up if anyone else is wearing one or not. There is no "herd immunity" if everyone else is wearing oven mits and you are not. It's all just made up garbage and BS! I have often said how do they know a vaccine works when they are testing it, if no one has the vaccine? So what difference does it make if I have the vaccine or not? If you got it it doesn't matter whether I do or not. It's all Satanic propaganda and most people are not smart enough to figure out they have been lied to! And in most cases don't want to know they have been lied to, they'd rather believe the lie and admit they were lied to.
 

Nomex

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So many Bros told me to put my clot shot GB endorsement concerns “in a box” and carry on.
Also as I have said more than once, we know vaccines do not come from Jehovah, because we wouldn't need them if we were perfect. Vaccines are literally from the Devil because we only need them in Satan's system! Argue that point! I'm sure the GB hates this site!
 

Nomex

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Vaccines are literally from the Devil
I just thought of this too...when the demonic GB said, "we want to stay in the land of the living"...as if Jehovah was providing the vaccine...this completely undermines the teaching about why Jehovah permits wickedness, which is the fact Satan's leadership and governments suck and what we need is Jehovah's Kingdom. I think that in of itself is sinning against Jehovah's spirit! They argued for Satan's governments "keeping us in the land of the living"!
 

Seadog

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Also as I have said more than once, we know vaccines do not come from Jehovah, because we wouldn't need them if we were perfect. Vaccines are literally from the Devil because we only need them in Satan's system! Argue that point! I'm sure the GB hates this site!
Well from resigning as elder in January with a fulsome letter explaining the evils of clot shot to withdrawing from the cong to being threatened with df for recommending Robert’s book to a tell tail congregant to being full scale shunned by all, my wife and I have run the gambit this year.
So thankful for the forum——-
 

Nomex

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Well from resigning as elder in January with a fulsome letter explaining the evils of clot shot to withdrawing from the cong to being threatened with df for recommending Robert’s book to a tell tail congregant to being full scale shunned by all, my wife and I have run the gambit this year.
So thankful for the forum——-
I am right there with you brother. The only difference for me is, which I didn't really understand until finding this place, is I knew something was very wrong back in the late 80's but really beginning in the 90's. It's the only reason I never "progressed" to being an elder. I had so many elders tell me, "you'd make such a good elder, you know so much about the bible." And I felt ashamed that I wasn't because I would be "stumbled" over and over again by "God's organization" and I blamed myself for being "stumbled". Oh the irony never fell on any of these people that Jesus said if you stumble someone, you'd be better off if you had a "mill stone put around your neck and cast into the Sea." So many of these things having to do with human relationships made no sense to me! WT doesn't like people! Unless you are a good minion!
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Also as I have said more than once, we know vaccines do not come from Jehovah, because we wouldn't need them if we were perfect. Vaccines are literally from the Devil because we only need them in Satan's system! Argue that point! I'm sure the GB hates this site!
Even being imperfect we don’t need vaccines. Jehovah did not design humans to transmit any kind of disease from person to person. That is something we’ve been conditioned to believe for years due to the pharmaceutical industry. Look up the history of this…we‘ve been lied to for years.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I just thought of this too...when the demonic GB said, "we want to stay in the land of the living"...as if Jehovah was providing the vaccine...this completely undermines the teaching about why Jehovah permits wickedness, which is the fact Satan's leadership and governments suck and what we need is Jehovah's Kingdom. I think that in of itself is sinning against Jehovah's spirit! They argued for Satan's governments "keeping us in the land of the living"!
Exactly! They’ve betrayed Jehovah.
 

Seadog

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I am right there with you brother. The only difference for me is, which I didn't really understand until finding this place, is I knew something was very wrong back in the late 80's but really beginning in the 90's. It's the only reason I never "progressed" to being an elder. I had so many elders tell me, "you'd make such a good elder, you know so much about the bible." And I felt ashamed that I wasn't because I would be "stumbled" over and over again by "God's organization" and I blamed myself for being "stumbled". Oh the irony never fell on any of these people that Jesus said if you stumble someone, you'd be better off if you had a "mill stone put around your neck and cast into the Sea." So many of these things having to do with human relationships made no sense to me! WT doesn't like people! Unless you are a good minion!
Yes you’re clearly much brighter than me in discerning the rot early. I’ve always held concerns Re the real estate and the ivory towers and the personal grandstanding. Our treatment since quitting tho has convinced me it is truly a cult. I really feel for all the Brethren who’ve been mistreated over the decades.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I am right there with you brother. The only difference for me is, which I didn't really understand until finding this place, is I knew something was very wrong back in the late 80's but really beginning in the 90's. It's the only reason I never "progressed" to being an elder. I had so many elders tell me, "you'd make such a good elder, you know so much about the bible." And I felt ashamed that I wasn't because I would be "stumbled" over and over again by "God's organization" and I blamed myself for being "stumbled". Oh the irony never fell on any of these people that Jesus said if you stumble someone, you'd be better off if you had a "mill stone put around your neck and cast into the Sea." So many of these things having to do with human relationships made no sense to me! WT doesn't like people! Unless you are a good minion!
You’re absolutely right Nomex.
 

Soul Sage

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I don't agree that talking to others about the Bible even though they might be an "apostate" should be seen as a reason to disfellowship someone over. But if I was hanging out and befriending some of you guys outside of Bible teachings and talking about things about the world with you then I should be DF'd but I'm not doing that. You guys are not my friends and not my enemies either unless you want to be an enemy to me. Why should I fear men and cower to the scary status of the dreaded "apostate"? Satan is the ultimate apostate and he tries to influence and manipulate us every damn day. If I was not fortified with the suit of armor when it comes to discussing bible topics I wouldn't be here. I'm here to sharpen iron with iron. Some want to hit below the belt and shame me, I don't care for talking with those people since their fruitage of the spirit is shown to be rotten. You know them by their fruits. I blocked one person for going that low recently.
 

DR75 less 1

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I don't agree that talking to others about the Bible even though they might be an "apostate" should be seen as a reason to disfellowship someone over. But if I was hanging out and befriending some of you guys outside of Bible teachings and talking about things about the world with you then I should be DF'd but I'm not doing that. You guys are not my friends and not my enemies either unless you want to be an enemy to me. Why should I fear men and cower to the scary status of the dreaded "apostate"? Satan is the ultimate apostate and he tries to influence and manipulate us every damn day. If I was not fortified with the suit of armor when it comes to discussing bible topics I wouldn't be here. I'm here to sharpen iron with iron. Some want to hit below the belt and shame me, I don't care for talking with those people since their fruitage of the spirit is shown to be rotten. You know them by their fruits. I blocked one person for going that low recently.

Wouldn't say that having differing views; even dis-agreements on this platform can necessarily be blamed on Satan. He sure is a crook and will be dealt with in time not far from now.

Curious to know why you feel the need to defend yourself for saying what you think is the truth. We humans have a tendency to try and brow-beat others into our way of thinking.

Say what you think, if others see something wrong with what you say, all good we're not going to agree on everything. Keep on trucking. Jehovah can see on the inside. We're either going to make the cut or we're not.
 

SusanB

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I just thought of this also...if you grab a hot pan out of the oven without an oven mit, you're gonna get burned. But if you put on an oven mit, you're good to go. That's what a vaccine is supposed to be. It doesn't matter if no one else put's on an oven mit, and they all get burned or they all wear oven mits and you don't, you still get burned. Your chances of getting burned do not go down or up if anyone else is wearing one or not. There is no "herd immunity" if everyone else is wearing oven mits and you are not. It's all just made up garbage and BS! I have often said how do they know a vaccine works when they are testing it, if no one has the vaccine? So what difference does it make if I have the vaccine or not? If you got it it doesn't matter whether I do or not. It's all Satanic propaganda and most people are not smart enough to figure out they have been lied to! And in most cases don't want to know they have been lied to, they'd rather believe the lie and admit they were lied to.
Oh Nomex! You and your “independent” thinking! Who needs logic when you have someone who speaks to God? (Heavy sarcasm directed at the automatons)
 

Jeremiah17:5

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I just thought of this too...when the demonic GB said, "we want to stay in the land of the living"...as if Jehovah was providing the vaccine...this completely undermines the teaching about why Jehovah permits wickedness, which is the fact Satan's leadership and governments suck and what we need is Jehovah's Kingdom. I think that in of itself is sinning against Jehovah's spirit! They argued for Satan's governments "keeping us in the land of the living"!
"Vaccination never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practice...We are in the last days; and the devil is slowly losing his hold, making a strenuous effort meanwhile to do all the damage he can, and to his credit can such evils be placed. ... Use your rights as American citizens to forever abolish the devilish practice of vaccinations." Golden Age 1921 Oct 12 p.17
"Thinking people would rather have smallpox than vaccination, because the latter sows the seed of syphilis, cancers, escema, erysipelas, scrofula, consumption, even leprosy and many other loathsome affections. Hence the practice of vaccination is a crime, an outrage and a delusion." Golden Age 1929 May 1 p.502
"Avoid serum inoculations and vaccinations as they pollute the blood stream with their filthy pus." Golden Age 1929 Nov 13 pp.106-107

"Vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah after the flood." Golden Age 1931 Feb 4 p.293
"Of all the inventions that have been foisted upon mankind for their defilement the most subtly devilish is that of vaccination." Ibid p.295
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Jeremiah17:5

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I just thought of this also...if you grab a hot pan out of the oven without an oven mit, you're gonna get burned. But if you put on an oven mit, you're good to go. That's what a vaccine is supposed to be. It doesn't matter if no one else put's on an oven mit, and they all get burned or they all wear oven mits and you don't, you still get burned. Your chances of getting burned do not go down or up if anyone else is wearing one or not. There is no "herd immunity" if everyone else is wearing oven mits and you are not. It's all just made up garbage and BS! I have often said how do they know a vaccine works when they are testing it, if no one has the vaccine? So what difference does it make if I have the vaccine or not? If you got it it doesn't matter whether I do or not. It's all Satanic propaganda and most people are not smart enough to figure out they have been lied to! And in most cases don't want to know they have been lied to, they'd rather believe the lie and admit they were lied to.
Now I see why they said I would like you... and relate with your story...I have probably researched and heard as much as you on these vaccines and probably have as much disdain for them as you do...
 

Nomex

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I have probably researched and heard as much as you on these vaccines and probably have as much disdain for them as you do...
Yeah, as soon as I read your introduction I thought, "my brother from another mother." LOL. The propaganda for vaccines goes all the way back to the beginning, and it was showing up in TV shows and movies at least as far back as the 60's. There is an Episode of the TV show "The Big Valley", all about vaccine garbage, and when I saw it a few years ago I couldn't believe it. One of the characters has a herd of cattle infected with Cow Pox I assume, don't remember if they ever said what they had, but it comes to their attention about Pasteur have new life saving medicine, they ride off to the city to get it, inject the already sick cows with the vaccine, and wallah, they all get better. ROFLOL, even with their lies that's not how vaccines "work". I think the episode is called "To Kill a Killer." My wife and kids have never had a vaccine, and when i was a kid there were only like 3 or 4...never been vax'ed since.


But like I have said many times, these people are nothing but used car salesmen, trying to sell you lemons. If vaccines worked so good, they would see themselves, they wouldn't try to guilt people into taking them, but trying to scare you into thinking "Grandma will die because she can't get the vaccine, so you not being vaccinated will kill her."

Another thing that I keep trying to understand is how people who are "immune" to a disease spread the disease they are immune too, and cannot catch to people who are not vaccinated. The truth is they have to have someone to blame when the vaccine doesn't work and that's the "anti-vax'ers.
 
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