A Vegan Lifestyle—What Does the Bible Say?

Ana

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I was making the point about the excellence in man’s creation. There is not much to distinguish between apes and mankind physically is there? Apes may seem ugly to us, but the similarity in expression and basic thinking, nurturing and home making is all there to see for those whom have eyes as any basic thinking evolutionist will tell you. The similarities in body form is remarkable - almost a parody - there is a lesson there for us to be sure.

Yet there is no record of angels interfering with apes is there? So intellectual response, elegance in manner, refinement in the attributes of the spirit, beauty in form, intelligence, empathy - all these things are appealing to angels, as they are to both men and women - though as you point out, both sexes can make appalling mistakes in choosing a partner. Yet life itself is a different matter - there are regimented levels in its interpretation and expression. Apes do not experience the fullness of life that we do, yet going the other way, mankind can anthropomorphise and impose such thinking upon lower life forms. It appears then that though physical perfection in expressing life is given to all forms of life by Jehovah, that life is expressed in degrees of perception - as the bible says, each according to its kind.

Angels can reason with man, can they not? (Even a donkey when given the wit to do so the bible tells us). Mankind can understand what Satan‘s motive was as well. As has been mentioned already, by Robert, angels have a yet higher insight than we do, and are aware of yet more but within our own experience of life, certain levels of intelligence are appreciated in different ways and the more so in the expression of the attributes given us, between sexes. If you like, there was the allure of mankind insofar as angels were concerned. It’s only my conjecture by the way. As I said, I see the body as a means of expression for the life given it. I may well be wrong- I hope not though! An interesting point though - we are of the same life that was given Adam are we not? It is passed on by the male, not made anew. It is the body that is formed around it that is new when the genetic code is completed via the female - it “becomes a living thing” - a means of expression then?
Perro ladrador, poco mordedor! Ja! No rima en inglés, pero en español si, y es que tu diálogo se me queda escaso y apetece el acercamiento para descifrar la forma de tu ladrido. Siempre fui poco prudente con los animales y aunque me llevé muchos mordiscos, la emoción valió la pena! Se que en esta ocasión, me sucedería lo mismo. Qué forma de expresión será la tuya en el cara a cara, cuanto tiempo haría falta para pasar del ladrido al movimiento de cola de izquierda a derecha y con qué velocidad?Tanto por descubrir... Me doy por satisfecha con la ventaja del traductor, el cara a cara sin comprensión de tantas palabras por la diferencia de idiomas, le haría perder agudeza al momento.
Y dirigiéndonos a los ángeles y su entrega a la ruptura de orden, como si aquí abajo no se hubiesen hecho ya mil pedazos con la perfección, en aquellos tiempos anti-diluvianos, volveré a la conversación que se trata aquí, por mera coincidencia en los pensamientos que a veces me pasan por la cabeza. Y es que, para entender esa atracción angelica- humana siendo ellos superiores, nos queda la procreación. Imaginemos por un momento si tuviesen capacidad de reproducción. No lo quiero ni pensar. Lo consiguieron entre creaciones y llegaron los Nefilim. Nuestro Padre dio un solemne puñetazo en la mesa y terminó con aquello rapidamente. Agüita para todos, incluso para los ángeles rebeldes, porque aunque volvieron a una forma espiritual, cambiaron su angelical aleteo por uno mas demoniaco. Algo cambió para con ellos después del diluvio. Un ajuste quizás, en sus libertades? Sea lo que sea la relacion entre demonios y humanos se intensificó con el paso del tiempo. Hoy por hoy los vemos actuar detrás de tantos humanos, menos en forma de posesión, más en el tipo de influencia y descaro. El demonismo está por todas partes latente y cada vez subiremos de intensidad hasta llegar al explosivo: todos abajo!! La prudencia en ese tiempo será nuestra aliada, personalmente tendré que trabajarla. De momento me entretengo con usted, perro contador de historias. Ha desarrollado cualidades humanas! Cuidado, corre el riesgo de dejar de ser un buen pero viejo!
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Perro ladrador, poco mordedor! Ja! No rima en inglés, pero en español si, y es que tu diálogo se me queda escaso y apetece el acercamiento para descifrar la forma de tu ladrido. Siempre fui poco prudente con los animales y aunque me llevé muchos mordiscos, la emoción valió la pena! Se que en esta ocasión, me sucedería lo mismo. Qué forma de expresión será la tuya en el cara a cara, cuanto tiempo haría falta para pasar del ladrido al movimiento de cola de izquierda a derecha y con qué velocidad?Tanto por descubrir... Me doy por satisfecha con la ventaja del traductor, el cara a cara sin comprensión de tantas palabras por la diferencia de idiomas, le haría perder agudeza al momento.
Y dirigiéndonos a los ángeles y su entrega a la ruptura de orden, como si aquí abajo no se hubiesen hecho ya mil pedazos con la perfección, en aquellos tiempos anti-diluvianos, volveré a la conversación que se trata aquí, por mera coincidencia en los pensamientos que a veces me pasan por la cabeza. Y es que, para entender esa atracción angelica- humana siendo ellos superiores, nos queda la procreación. Imaginemos por un momento si tuviesen capacidad de reproducción. No lo quiero ni pensar. Lo consiguieron entre creaciones y llegaron los Nefilim. Nuestro Padre dio un solemne puñetazo en la mesa y terminó con aquello rapidamente. Agüita para todos, incluso para los ángeles rebeldes, porque aunque volvieron a una forma espiritual, cambiaron su angelical aleteo por uno mas demoniaco. Algo cambió para con ellos después del diluvio. Un ajuste quizás, en sus libertades? Sea lo que sea la relacion entre demonios y humanos se intensificó con el paso del tiempo. Hoy por hoy los vemos actuar detrás de tantos humanos, menos en forma de posesión, más en el tipo de influencia y descaro. El demonismo está por todas partes latente y cada vez subiremos de intensidad hasta llegar al explosivo: todos abajo!! La prudencia en ese tiempo será nuestra aliada, personalmente tendré que trabajarla. De momento me entretengo con usted, perro contador de historias. Ha desarrollado cualidades humanas! Cuidado, corre el riesgo de dejar de ser un buen pero viejo!
Hello Ana, lovely to hear from you again. I cannot claim to understand all that you have written, as the translation fails to match the poetry of your comment! Never mind. The humour and kindness of you comment is enough to convey the happiness you find in the scriptures. That shines through any language barrier! ❤️
 

Ana

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Hello Ana, lovely to hear from you again. I cannot claim to understand all that you have written, as the translation fails to match the poetry of your comment! Never mind. The humour and kindness of you comment is enough to convey the happiness you find in the scriptures. That shines through any language barrier! ❤️
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El espíritu es más fuerte que la escritura. Nunca se puede comprender su poder y su profundidad! Me alegra que me sientas. Somos mentes complejas con placeres sencillos. Te mando un abrazo!!😘
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Guess who else wants humans to go vegan? The UN and the globalists.
I am both vegan and a carnivore. If Bill and Melinda had a brain instead of talking out of their composite arse, they might consider what hungry people are capable of. Ask any of the survivors of the 1972 Andes flight disaster. “What’s for tea tonight Roberto? Leg of pilot Sanchez.”
 

kirmmy

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Ana's post translated:

Barking dog, little biting! Ha! It doesn't rhyme in English, but in Spanish it does, and I find your dialogue scarce and I want to get closer to decipher the shape of your bark. I was always not very cautious with animals and although I got many bites, the excitement was worth it! I know that on this occasion, the same thing would happen to me. What form of expression will be yours in the face to face, how much time would it take to go from barking to tail movement from left to right and with what speed? So much to discover... I am satisfied with the advantage of the translator, Face to face without understanding so many words due to the difference in languages, would make you lose sharpness at the moment.
And addressing the angels and their dedication to the breakdown of order, as if perfection had not already been shattered down here in a thousand pieces, in those anti-flood times, I will return to the conversation that is discussed here, by mere coincidence in the thoughts that sometimes go through my head. And, to understand this angelic-human attraction while they are superior, we are left with procreation. Let's imagine for a moment if they had the capacity to reproduce. I do not even want to think. They got it between creations and the Nephilim arrived. Our Father slammed his fist solemnly on the table and ended it quickly. Agüita for everyone, even for the rebellious angels, because although they returned to a spiritual form, they changed their angelic fluttering for a more demonic one. Something changed for them after the flood. An adjustment perhaps, in your freedoms? Whatever it is, the relationship between demons and humans intensified over time. Today we see them acting behind so many humans, less in the form of possession, more in the type of influence and impudence. Demonism is latent everywhere and each time we will increase in intensity until we reach the explosive: everyone down!! Prudence at that time will be our ally, I will personally have to work on it. For now I am entertained with you, story-telling dog. He has developed human qualities! Be careful, you run the risk of ceasing to be a good but old man!
 

Maybelle

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Every week I wait with keen anticipation to see what JW dot org comes up with for their topic of the week. This week it is veganism. It is all about brevity now, to explore a topic as thinly as possible, which is fine, except when you get to answering the question posed: What does the Bible say? The Bible might actually have more to say on a topic than the JW dot org snippet would have you believe.

But since they raised the question, what does the Bible say? Actually, the Bible does record an instance when a strict vegan diet and a heavy meat and wine diet were tested against each other. Three Hebrew boys in captivity in Babylon were undergoing training to be part of the king's extended court. They had access to all of the king's rich fare. Instead, though, the Hebrews asked for vegetables and water, that's it. After a period of 10 days on the diet, the Hebrew boys were found to have a healthier appearance than those who ate from the king's table. Draw your own conclusions.

Of course, Israelites were not required to adopt such a strict diet. Jesus was no vegan. But, if you are going to pretend to provide an answer to what the Bible says perhaps readers deserve to be served a better portion of spiritual food.
Interesting since the globalist want people to consume less or no meat…
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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As usual, scriptures are left out:

Our Creator’s view of humans and of animals​

The Bible indicates that our Creator, Jehovah God, a views humans as superior to animals and that he has given people authority over them. (Genesis 1:27, 28) Eventually, God permitted humans to use animals for food. (Genesis 9:3) However, he does not condone the mistreatment of animals.—Proverbs 12:10.

If we continue JUST ONE MORE VERSE BEYOND the quoted Genesis 1:27,28, then we will find Genesis 1:29 which truly answers the question as to what God thinks about a vegan diet and mind you, this is a command and it was so important it was found in not only their first book of the Bible, but the very first chapter:

29 Then God said: “Here I have given to you every seed-bearing plant that is on the entire earth and every tree with seed-bearing fruit. Let them serve as food for you.

AND if we go just one more verse beyond that one we find at Genesis 1:30 what Jehovah had given to ALL beasts including lions, tigers and bears:

30 And to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food.” And it was so.


So, if someone truly wants to know how God feels about the matter, then there you go. Meat was given after the Flood because all fruit trees and vegetation were far submerged under water and they needed to eat something. However, Noah and his sons and daughters-in-law plus all the animals survived just fine for a year on the ark with just vegetation, pulses and perhaps some fruits.

My opinion is, that the ONLY reason that WT is even wiling to touch this topic, and as a BANNER on JW.org at that, is because she is whoring again. Her Beast lover, the UN, has one of its sustainable development goals, the goal of reducing the consumption of eating meat globally and eating either bugs or lab-grown meats developed by Granny Gates.

I showed you the page where IBSA (International Bible Students Association) is a member of UIA, which is the founding organization of the League of Nations and later the UN, and as such, must promote their SDG's (sustainable development goals)





As an interesting aside, I was reading last night a book called "Demonism and the WT" and it was calling "demonism" a book called "The Grape Cure" which was a book that Frederick Franz liked and recommended. LOL.

The book just recommends a grape-only diet for cleansing and healing. While some may view it as extreme, I know of many people who've healed themselves on a fruit only diet (kinda like the one God promoted in the Garden of Eden) and there's nothing demonic about it.

While we know that Russell had some FM symbolisms on his books and with his associates, it definitely reduced the credibility of the author's claims when he calls a grape only diet demonic. Heck, even pub.med.gov has scores of articles on the healing effects of plant-based diets on tons of diseases and even my local hospital has many of its staff on them and teaches it to heart patients down the street from my house in the local YMCA. The dieticians all teach it. In fact, I gave a presentation at a local diabetic clinic about 10 years ago about how diabetics were healing their diabetes with fruit and the look on their faces was one of shock. They must've researched what I said, though, and saw the science because that's the diet that they are now promoting to diabetics. I know, because when my diabetic husband was in the hospital, that's the diet they promoted for him to eat, and they let me cook him all of his meals and he uses no medications to manage his diabetes now. That's from a man who had his mother die at age 59, his brother die at age 44, and they both had an amputated limb and his brother was blind in one eye. His father and sister also have it and they had open heart surgery and gastric bypass surgery respectively. Of course, Jehovah always knows what he's talking about.

For those wanting to see the science about plant-based diets healing both Type 2 and helping reduce insulin needs in Type 1 read this:


At the end of the day, this topic is very highly emotionally charged and it's going to take Jehovah God to mandate it like he did in the Garden and with the manna for it to stick, and even then, there's going to be tons of people who will rebel just like they did in the wilderness.

I don't think the majority of people care what the Bible says about diet, 'cause they're going to eat whatever they want regardless. I just find it funny that WT is grasping at news topics to write about. But they're rather late to the game on this one, but at least they can submit it to the UN as them doing their job at promoting their agendas.
Clearly not all vegetation was underwater as the dove brought back a green olive branch to the ark. This indicates not only that it was above land, but that the oxygen supply was such that the leaf had not withered. Meat was given to mankind to eat, not just for the interim period, of replanting (if the leaves survived, so would a great deal of fruit), but in respect of the next few thousand years. There would also be a huge upheaval in the natural cycle of reproduction in all forms of life - the introduction of seasons being the major facilitator of change. Also, the space for growing food was severely restricted by the encroaching ice caps and weather changes. It also needs to be considered that domestic animals were termed domestic fir a reason in that they aid and provide various foods that man can benefit by without causing any distress for the animal concerned and for that matter, all the manure for our own food.
If Jehovah provides food - I’m happy to eat it. I don’t like the cruelty aspect, but neither do I like man’s inhumanity to man. I’m stuck in a system that is anything but good, but until it is changed, there is nothing I can do. I wish there was. In the interim, I help as much as I can with my resources, both man and beast.

I don’t think the issues need to be ‘highly charged’, just reasoned upon. The coming famine will soon sort out the “ethics” of our generation and label us all hypocrites.
 

robins

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Clearly not all vegetation was underwater as the dove brought back a green olive branch to the ark. This indicates not only that it was above land, but that the oxygen supply was such that the leaf had not withered. Meat was given to mankind to eat, not just for the interim period, of replanting (if the leaves survived, so would a great deal of fruit), but in respect of the next few thousand years. There would also be a huge upheaval in the natural cycle of reproduction in all forms of life - the introduction of seasons being the major facilitator of change. Also, the space for growing food was severely restricted by the encroaching ice caps and weather changes. It also needs to be considered that domestic animals were termed domestic fir a reason in that they aid and provide various foods that man can benefit by without causing any distress for the animal concerned and for that matter, all the manure for our own food.
If Jehovah provides food - I’m happy to eat it. I don’t like the cruelty aspect, but neither do I like man’s inhumanity to man. I’m stuck in a system that is anything but good, but until it is changed, there is nothing I can do. I wish there was. In the interim, I help as much as I can with my resources, both man and beast.

I don’t think the issues need to be ‘highly charged’, just reasoned upon. The coming famine will soon sort out the “ethics” of our generation and label us all hypocrites.
Actually, there are things you can do. If people in the 1860's said to themselves, "well owning slaves was allowed in biblical times and this is the current system we live in and there's nothing i can do" - then the US South may still have slave-owners. To your point, i think things in the world will change so much (famine, gov control portions, etc.) that the luxury of food choices may be a moot point, but in the present we shouldn't give ourselves a pass just because it's inconvenient.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Actually, there are things you can do. If people in the 1860's said to themselves, "well owning slaves was allowed in biblical times and this is the current system we live in and there's nothing i can do" - then the US South may still have slave-owners. To your point, i think things in the world will change so much (famine, gov control portions, etc.) that the luxury of food choices may be a moot point, but in the present we shouldn't give ourselves a pass just because it's inconvenient.
Certainly you are right Robins. I was generalising as to the system of things in which we are rather helpless, but of course where I can, I help - I spent my career in doing so. But as to issues of slavery - the slave trade is as active now as it ever was - worse in fact, and world wide and the imbalance of justice even more so - as we see in Gaza etc. In America and the west too, slavery has taken on a different name through discrimination and immigration - people being “used“ as a political weapon. I wish I could get a pass from it all. As it is, as I suspect most of us feel too, I am limited in my means to alleviate suffering and at the greater injustices, I see, hear, and just feel totally impotent to do anything to make a difference in it all. A pass from guilt is something I would dearly like, but I cannot even get that! My daily life is one long reminder of the scripture “…go well fed…” yet I can do nothing/little practical to alleviate. We will feel for the other side of justice when the end comes and we get to taste it better for ourselves. Fortunately, my life has prepared me for some of that, and I have the scars to prove it - don’t we all?
 

Yahthemosthigh

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First of all I respect both sides and we can all have our opinions. At the end of the day it's Jehovahs wisdom that is going to rule over the earth with that being said I am going to share a bit of my own thoughts on this topic. I turned vegetarian in october 2020 it was a decision I purely made for myself and for the animals. I am also highly aware that me being vegetarian is not "healing the world" like some vegans think they're doing. I just couldn't eat animals anymore its disgusted me and brings me to tears. I do think Jehovah will make us vegan/vegetarian again idk which one lol. But I don't believe he had the original purpose for us to eat living creatures. However in Romans 14:13-23 is some intresting information. I have a personal conviction I shouldn't be eating meat but I don't judge others for doing it. I also don't deny that a carnivore diet does heal people I have seen some research and evidence. However I also have seen people heal from eating an all alkaline plant based diet. Most meat "fake" meat is junk and horrible for you. However if your eating meat that isn't organic or is something like grass fed beef you are also consuming alot of hormones and chemicals we shouldn't be having in our body. That also goes for plant based food if it has alot of harmful chemicals its horrible for our body. I do believe Jehovah gave us plants to eat, Psalm 104:14. Also it in Isaiah 11:6,7 it clearly talks about the animal world being brought back to harmony how it was initially meant to happen. But I also do know that Jehovah doesn't restore everything like season that is something that will stay forever. Also proverbs 12:10 is a honorable mention.

Also this is just a personal opinion that has nothing to do with the bible but I respect people that actually catch their own fish or animals more cause they have the balls to do it and know what they're doing. Alot of people pick up meat from the grocery store and are so detached and unaware of what they're buying and not conscious of what they're consuming. I believe most people wouldn't even be eating meat if they had to catch and kill it themselves. I also believe Jehovah allowed his population to eat meat but is very mad about the Bio industry. Alot of animals are suffering in very small cages and have never seen any daylight in their lives.

Also correct me if you think I am wrong. I have so much more to say about this topic including my own health journey and that I do feel better and more energetic without eating meat I am also very aware that there is a vegan agenda being pushed on us. So I am not a indoctrinated type person lol.


also another side note, The plants we are consuming are not what they used to be in the garden of eden I am sure they were more nutritional.
 
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