A Vegan Lifestyle—What Does the Bible Say?

Jim said:
She is such a smart and gorgeous woman. I had not seen this. Thank you. Her father Jordan also experienced depression. Until dietary changes.
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You're welcome :) I watched this a while ago, when I was reading up on carnivore diet. I've seen a dramatic change in Jordan since he's been on it. He was a mess before. In one vid I watched he said that he only eats meat and drinks water, which tbh is a bit extreme for my taste. I do thrive on a high meat diet, both physically and mentally, but idk if I'd be able to do a full carnivore.. I love my fruits and veggies.
 
BagdadBill said:
When the food runs out or is under the control of the system I will rely on bean, taters and cornbread.
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The powers that are in control seem committed to eliminating real meat so it is only a matter of time before we will all just be glad to have something to eat even if it isn’t what we prefer.
 
SusanB said:
The powers that are in control seem committed to eliminating real meat so it is only a matter of time before we will all just be glad to have something to eat even if it isn’t what we prefer.
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Cows will magically get bird flu, even though it's a bird flu. When we get the flu we just drink fluids and wait for it to pass but I guess cows and birds are different. They will be using the wonderful PCR test to establish their lies.
Anything the government says at this point just sounds like a very long breaking of the wind. Flatulence for those who don't know the older phrases.
 
SusanB said:
The reason I don’t do Keto is that it allows carbs and those are my downfall.
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It's funny you said this. I've been having issues ever since allowing carbs back into my life. It seems I just can't do carbs. I almost instantly start to gain weight. It's wild.

Thanks, I'm going to see what I can do regarding the carnivore diet. I've been meaning to try it for some time.
 
Maybelle said:
Yes, but as you said we are told to cut down, because it’s cancer causing, or high cholesterol causing. In the Uk, beef/lamb is ridiculously expensive now, we don’t often eat it .
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Can't speak to the cancer but cholesterol isn't even considered by the government in the US any longer. They know it's pure BS.
goldie said:
Hi Susan, The article is by an Ayurvedic Doctor that I follow that came up in my feed he was saying that short term carnivore is fantastic for healing but long term it does cause health issues.. just something I thought I'd share.
As for veganism, I am not a vegan by far, I do eat meat,veggies, pasta a variety of different foods. I recently had my microbiome tested and I do have high uric acid levels so a lot of meat would not be good for me because I'm susceptible to gout which I have suffered with, and I don't have any bacteria to break down oxalates so too many veggies aren't good for me either, so this is why I don't do any particular diet. But I do think it depends on our gut bacteria which diet works best for us. And to address nomexs's salt comment, my BP does go up with salt! yes, even the good salt. It's not so much the salt that does it but the way my body doesn't process it properly..I have low potassium levels which is needed to balance sodium, and poor kidney filtration, so I will definitely retain fluid with salt.. sorry nomex. Lots to consider here, one size definitely doesn't fit all that's why I said, whatever works for you.
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Your gut biome can be changed by what you eat. It's a symbiotic relationship.
 
kirmmy said:
Can't speak to the cancer but cholesterol isn't even considered by the government in the US any longer. They know it's pure BS.

Your gut biome can be changed by what you eat. It's a symbiotic relationship.
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Yes, I'm aware and working on it. I was put on cipro a few years back for a kidney infection and it destroyed my gut. At the time I wasn't aware of how dangerous it is.
 
goldie said:
Yes, I'm aware and working on it. I was put on cipro a few years back for a kidney infection and it destroyed my gut. At the time I wasn't aware of how dangerous it is.
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As a kid I was actually very sickly and had strep throat numerous times. Looking back I believe it was likely vaccine injury but no one knew. My Granny used to give me cod liver oil and it was terrible but I took it. I no longer take antibiotics ever, except when I have a tooth pulled or something that I can’t take care of with Chlorine Dioxide (thank you Kiwi Robert aka DR74minus), garlic pills or natural remedies. So, I understand how the gut biome can be decimated. It’s very tough to get it back, but I keep trying and I hope you do too. Up until I went Carnivore, which wasn’t that long ago, less than a year, I had terrible GERD and diverticulitis but I haven’t had any issues with those things any longer. But it took time for my body to adjust.
 
I recently made my first batch of Sous Vide chicken thighs using the Instant Pot with a Sous Vide setting. I vacuum sealed individual portions using the FoodSaver before cooking them and after cooking them using Sous Vide, I froze what we couldn’t eat right away and now I have easy grab and go protein meals that will last for a couple of weeks. I did use the same spices one would use for blackened chicken. They came out wonderful and tender.
 
SusanB said:
I recently made my first batch of Sous Vide chicken thighs using the Instant Pot with a Sous Vide setting. I vacuum sealed individual portions using the FoodSaver before cooking them and after cooking them using Sous Vide, I froze what we couldn’t eat right away and now I have easy grab and go protein meals that will last for a couple of weeks. I did use the same spices one would use for blackened chicken. They came out wonderful and tender.
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Haha, why are you talking about meat on a Vegan lifestyle thread? :LOL:

But yeah, I bought a Sous Vide rig a couple of years back and it's amazing.
 
kirmmy said:
Haha, why are you talking about meat on a Vegan lifestyle thread? :LOL:

But yeah, I bought a Sous Vide rig a couple of years back and it's amazing.
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I always take Jehovah’s advice about eating meat. He told us that it was available to eat, and so there must be a reason for it, not least the scarcity of land in later years for growing our own vegetables. The problem with vegetation now is the same as with meat - it’s polluted one way or the other. Also, if one chooses to breathe, the carcinogens present in the atmosphere, along with other pollutants are just as dangerous, not to mention of course, the pathogens added to it for our delectation! The biggest drawback to a healthy diet is that we die anyway and thus the question has more to do in why we would want to live, and for how long, in this world. Also a point to take in to consideration is are we vegan or carnivorous because we want to be, or because we think we should be? I do both in moderation as both are beneficial and I do not have to be affiliated to or argue for an insoluble argument. And on some days, I don’t eat at all and kill two birds with one stone and escape condemnation from both camps. Thus I can sympathise with meditator for his long-suffering under such a heavy burden of prime steak and a glass of wine!
 
Watchman said:
Every week I wait with keen anticipation to see what JW dot org comes up with for their topic of the week. This week it is veganism. It is all about brevity now, to explore a topic as thinly as possible, which is fine, except when you get to answering the question posed: What does the Bible say? The Bible might actually have more to say on a topic than the JW dot org snippet would have you believe.

But since they raised the question, what does the Bible say? Actually, the Bible does record an instance when a strict vegan diet and a heavy meat and wine diet were tested against each other. Three Hebrew boys in captivity in Babylon were undergoing training to be part of the king's extended court. They had access to all of the king's rich fare. Instead, though, the Hebrews asked for vegetables and water, that's it. After a period of 10 days on the diet, the Hebrew boys were found to have a healthier appearance than those who ate from the king's table. Draw your own conclusions.

Of course, Israelites were not required to adopt such a strict diet. Jesus was no vegan. But, if you are going to pretend to provide an answer to what the Bible says perhaps readers deserve to be served a better portion of spiritual food.
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I believe that them "requesting veggies" Was an example to show that eating what was considered "INFERIOR" food, would have no effect on their bodies because they would turn out better due to the power of their God. This was not a scripture advocating for veganism, but rather a secular example of Jehovah sustaining his servants in times of challenge to adherence to his commandments.
1 Timothy 4:3
"Everything God created is good. And if you give thanks, you may eat anything."
Romans 14:2
One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.

Veganism, is demonic. They elevate the animal to Human level. They do this by trying to instill the idea that Animals communicate on our level and beg for their lives.
They also say "Humans are animals too" Which is of course, also akin to Gaia worship.
(because they are demonic)
These same folks want to see Hunters, slain (read their volatile posts, you can see what is in their hearts)

Their logic is flawed, they suggest a Human is evil for hunting meat, but a Lion or coyote is not evil for hunting meat......but at the same time...we are ALL animals. there is no moral or logical consistency with these people.
 
Watchman said:
Every week I wait with keen anticipation to see what JW dot org comes up with for their topic of the week. This week it is veganism. It is all about brevity now, to explore a topic as thinly as possible, which is fine, except when you get to answering the question posed: What does the Bible say? The Bible might actually have more to say on a topic than the JW dot org snippet would have you believe.

But since they raised the question, what does the Bible say? Actually, the Bible does record an instance when a strict vegan diet and a heavy meat and wine diet were tested against each other. Three Hebrew boys in captivity in Babylon were undergoing training to be part of the king's extended court. They had access to all of the king's rich fare. Instead, though, the Hebrews asked for vegetables and water, that's it. After a period of 10 days on the diet, the Hebrew boys were found to have a healthier appearance than those who ate from the king's table. Draw your own conclusions.

Of course, Israelites were not required to adopt such a strict diet. Jesus was no vegan. But, if you are going to pretend to provide an answer to what the Bible says perhaps readers deserve to be served a better portiont of spiritual food.
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That makes sense! I had not recalled that episode in biblical history. Personally, I enjoy a good salad with fruit and bread, but as for veganism, yes, of course it has its merits but where can one buy “clean” vegetables any more and at what price? Therefore my thinking is more on the convenience of survival and balance in all things. On our small island everything is grown with additives of some sort, the only “pure” thing left is the flour from millers whose farmers supply free range wheat and spelt. That’s where I do buy my flour for my bread. If I were young again, and had the cash, I think I might well eat more on the vegetarian side, but in terms of affordability, and variety, meat remains part of my diet. Moderation has a key meaning in todays world. Many here in England are so poverty stricken that their children go to school hungry, and their lunch is provided free by the school. Tea at home is a burger. Older people are not well off either. It’s the end days in many other ways besides warfare, liars and immorality. In the new system, I hope to see an end to eating meat. No animal should give its life for food I feel. There is something not quite right about it and I can’t bring myself to kill for food myself and so that makes me a hypocrite for eating meat as it is! But animal products - can Jehovah really expect life without cheese to be perfect?! Yet as you say, Jesus ate meat! What to do?! So I do not really give it too much thought. I have to get there first. 👍
 
seeks2kno said:
I believe that them "requesting veggies" Was an example to show that eating what was considered "INFERIOR" food, would have no effect on their bodies because they would turn out better due to the power of their God. This was not a scripture advocating for veganism, but rather a secular example of Jehovah sustaining his servants in times of challenge to adherence to his commandments.
1 Timothy 4:3
"Everything God created is good. And if you give thanks, you may eat anything."
Romans 14:2
One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.

Veganism, is demonic. They elevate the animal to Human level. They do this by trying to instill the idea that Animals communicate on our level and beg for their lives.
They also say "Humans are animals too" Which is of course, also akin to Gaia worship.
(because they are demonic)
These same folks want to see Hunters, slain (read their volatile posts, you can see what is in their hearts)

Their logic is flawed, they suggest a Human is evil for hunting meat, but a Lion or coyote is not evil for hunting meat......but at the same time...we are ALL animals. there is no moral or logical consistency with these people.
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There is truth in that of course, but it was taken as read that Jehovah had a point to make. Ten days would not show much difference in physical terms outwardly - unless one ate nothing but McFats for instance, and insofar as just vegetation and water is concerned, in those days, and in that area, the advantages of fruit, leafs, potatoes, herbs vegetation, the physical response would indeed be one of fitness and clarity of mind - the moreso if you compare it with the usual fare of the wealthy and the proclivity to over eat. Meat for instance, costs the body far more energy and production “costs” than a melon, and the ability of the gut to respond is significant - not to mention the health benefits in scouring the gut. Meat on the other hand, provides many nutrients that plants do not and of course, do nit neglect the mental attitude and satisfaction of a well deserved meal. Try giving a healthy salad to a hungry Labourer.

The point of the scripture has much to do with a commentary on life-style, and determining what is good, what is bad, in much the same way as the issue in Eden. It also has to do with values. The assumption that the kings dining table is beyond reproach being one such item. Jehovah chooses to feed His people on purity and see them thrive, and what is more pure than free range organically grown vegetable matter and fruit. Jehovah have meat to people to eat because He sees from the beginning, the end. And the flood was more or less the radical change in the beginning of the end, and people were to survive on a drastically reduced lifespan. Meat/protein then, became a necessity for its relatively quick absorption into the body. Consistency, especially in vegetarianism, is an essential part of the benefits it provides. Meat is a shortcut and requires much more of the body to digest. It’s all original-rata with life style. Satan has nothing to do with veganism other than to distract us from out path. Eat drink, for tomorrow we die….unless we put the truth first.
 
Watchman said:
Every week I wait with keen anticipation to see what JW dot org comes up with for their topic of the week. This week it is veganism. It is all about brevity now, to explore a topic as thinly as possible, which is fine, except when you get to answering the question posed: What does the Bible say? The Bible might actually have more to say on a topic than the JW dot org snippet would have you believe.

But since they raised the question, what does the Bible say? Actually, the Bible does record an instance when a strict vegan diet and a heavy meat and wine diet were tested against each other. Three Hebrew boys in captivity in Babylon were undergoing training to be part of the king's extended court. They had access to all of the king's rich fare. Instead, though, the Hebrews asked for vegetables and water, that's it. After a period of 10 days on the diet, the Hebrew boys were found to have a healthier appearance than those who ate from the king's table. Draw your own conclusions.

Of course, Israelites were not required to adopt such a strict diet. Jesus was no vegan. But, if you are going to pretend to provide an answer to what the Bible says perhaps readers deserve to be served a better portion of spiritual food.
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Have you noticed that the scriptures refer to God's word as "meat" in due season? It really wouldn't convey the message if we likened God's word to "broccoli" in due season.
 
SusanB said:
Have you noticed that the scriptures refer to God's word as "meat" in due season? It really wouldn't convey the message if we likened God's word to "broccoli" in due season.
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Uh, actually, that is a mistranslation. The King James worded it as "meat in due season" but the Greek word used means "grain." So, in other words, "bread."
 
seeks2kno said:
I believe that them "requesting veggies" Was an example to show that eating what was considered "INFERIOR" food, would have no effect on their bodies because they would turn out better due to the power of their God. This was not a scripture advocating for veganism, but rather a secular example of Jehovah sustaining his servants in times of challenge to adherence to his commandments.
1 Timothy 4:3
"Everything God created is good. And if you give thanks, you may eat anything."
Romans 14:2
One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.

Veganism, is demonic. They elevate the animal to Human level. They do this by trying to instill the idea that Animals communicate on our level and beg for their lives.
They also say "Humans are animals too" Which is of course, also akin to Gaia worship.
(because they are demonic)
These same folks want to see Hunters, slain (read their volatile posts, you can see what is in their hearts)

Their logic is flawed, they suggest a Human is evil for hunting meat, but a Lion or coyote is not evil for hunting meat......but at the same time...we are ALL animals. there is no moral or logical consistency with these people.
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I believe the young Israelites couldn't take a chance with the delicacies of the king because some of the food may have gone against the dietary restrictions of the Law. In other words, they may have tried to slip some pork or shrimp in on them. Mmmmm...pork or shrimp *drool*. 🤤

On the other hand I don't believe there was a single vegetable/fruit that was prohibited by the law so they could eat that without worry. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
seeks2kno said:
I believe that them "requesting veggies" Was an example to show that eating what was considered "INFERIOR" food, would have no effect on their bodies because they would turn out better due to the power of their God. This was not a scripture advocating for veganism, but rather a secular example of Jehovah sustaining his servants in times of challenge to adherence to his commandments.
1 Timothy 4:3
"Everything God created is good. And if you give thanks, you may eat anything."
Romans 14:2
One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.

Veganism, is demonic. They elevate the animal to Human level. They do this by trying to instill the idea that Animals communicate on our level and beg for their lives.
They also say "Humans are animals too" Which is of course, also akin to Gaia worship.
(because they are demonic)
These same folks want to see Hunters, slain (read their volatile posts, you can see what is in their hearts)

Their logic is flawed, they suggest a Human is evil for hunting meat, but a Lion or coyote is not evil for hunting meat......but at the same time...we are ALL animals. there is no moral or logical consistency with these people.
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It took a while for me think about this before I wanted to comment on this post. I don’t believe veganism in itself is demonic, far from it. I do think that elevating animals to the level of humans is unbalanced at the least. And, I do think many people today practice veganism and vegetarianism as a type of religion. I also agree that the mainstream arguments for these types of diets are flawed.

Regarding the Hebrew youths who only ate vegetables, I honestly think the fact that they thrived on that diet for whatever length of time they were on it, was due to Jehovah’s blessing. It is Jehovah’s pattern to bless what is actually inferior so that people can acknowledge it is from him. It glorifies him to do that.

A similar account to the Hebrew youths involved Jacob when he was working to take Rachel, Leah and his family away from Laban and return to his own land. He apparently thought that by putting peeled trees (almond, storax and plane) in front of the goats, when they would go the water trough, the goats would go into heat and they would produce more offspring. But he only did it with the robust goats and not the weak goats. It was Jehovah who blessed his efforts and it turns out that Laban ended up with the weaker goats and Jacob’s flock grew by number and strength. It was all due to Jehovah’s blessing and not the peeled trees. Jacob acknowledged it was because of Jehovah at Genesis 31:9: “So God kept taking your father’s livestock away from him and giving it to me”. In the same manner, I believe that Jehovah blessed the Hebrew youth’s commitment to staying faithful to the God-given Law of Moses even when it involved sacrificing on their part. Otherwise, if it was truly a health benefit, why would it even be a sacrifice? The result glorified Jehovah, which was the point.

There is so much to consider when thinking about eating animals for food. One thing is that they have very short lives and that was by Jehovah’s design. Can humans say they are more lofty and wiser than Jehovah by thinking that animals should live forever? Think about it. Everything on the earth, outside of humans, was made in a way that it literally goes back into the ground and there is no need to recycle or set aside land where the rubbish just piles up or contaminates the land. It is a very clean cycle of life and death. Every death contributes to the cycle of life in that the bugs and scavengers eat the dead body and what is left actually improves the condition of soil. That is a cycle that only Jehovah could create. My mind really cannot fathom the genius of Jehovah’s creation but I try in my small way.

Meditator and I were talking about this subject this morning after breakfast and we both agree that just as the Bible likens humans to grasshoppers, no doubt Jehovah really enjoys seeing us grasshoppers take his creation and play with it, even thinking we have created a “designer” dog breed or grafting a tree so that it produces different fruit on the same tree trunk. It is probably the same amusement and joy that parents feel when their small child makes his first work of art. By any real measure it is probably rudimentary and not even rooted in reality, but precious to the parents nonetheless. As the child grows, matures and gets more guidance from the art master, the child will progress in their abilities. We have a long way to go to get really good at caring for the earth and the animals.
 
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