Dear TGP, I have never felt the need to talk about the book of Enoch and I have no problem with you quoting it nor mentioning it. But when anyone, including you (but you haven’t done this), promotes it as an inspired book and also promotes its teachings that contradict the bible, I will step up and say exactly what I think of the book of Enoch. Why someone thinks that is an attack on them is puzzling. It isn’t except that it probably implies I don’t particularly respect their decision to promote it, but that is the way forums work. People can read the pros, the cons, and even the material itself and make their own decision. It was DoubleThink333 that implored the forum members to read the book and saying their life and their SOUL is at stake. That is what I am commenting about.
A soul at stake claim is irrational whatever utility I may think it has it's nothing near approaching that cartoonishly important.
Exactly my point. Thank you.
The only reason I made such a claim is because of the parallels between the days of Noah as described in the book of Enoch to today’s world events, specifically in regards to genetic manipulation and the contamination of the human race with fallen angels (demons) and or animals which first took place in the days of Noah and are taking place again now. The reason I find it so relevant and important is because of what Jesus foretold when he said his return would be marked by days like the days of Noah. People have ALWAYS been eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, so I don’t think the time marking Jesus’ return is going to be only marked by those simple things. The only other “clue” we have is the phrase “as in the days of Noah”. Which led me to ask myself, “What specifically happened in the days of Noah which is different from all other Biblical events?” Read Genesis 6 and it appears to me the marked difference was the presence of the Nephilim. There’s enough detail in Genesis 6 to see that there was an unholy mixing of fallen angels and women if earth. And for most that’s more than enough information, no need to ask further and no need to know any more details. But I wanted to know more. I am curious by nature. As I mentioned on the other board, I have an interest in trying to understand the criminal mind. Well Satan and his demons certainly are criminals and I wanted to know why they did that, I wasn’t buying that it was just the beautiful women, there had to be something more. For me, reading the book of Enoch answered a lot of questions I had regarding the days of Noah. For the record, I never claimed that the book of Enoch was inspired biblical text, I merely pointed out that it was mentioned and quoted in the inspired biblical text of Jude. Why would divinely inspired Bible author quote from a book @Driven thinks is inspired by Satan?
The council of Nicea almost excluded 2 Peter and Jude from the bible canon primarily for them daring to reference and quote it.
I am sorry you have been dragged into this. I appreciate and agree fully with your input. Thank you for sharing!
On this point, however, I will disagree with your opinion.
....but they didn’t... LoL
It is my opinion that I don’t agree that the “Bible author” quoted from the book of Enoch. That is your statement. My comment is that I don’t see that and I see your conclusion as “reaching”. But I think your comment is fine and it belongs on this thread. So, I don’t have problem with your comment. It isn’t my cup of tea as to the subject matter, but knock yourself out.
Thank you @Driven I appreciate your input. You’re right, it’s definitely not for everyone! I enjoyed the conversation with you nonetheless.
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No on the book of Tobit.
None of the faithful writers ever claim themselves to be on the path to righteousness and fidelity. This is what I call "pride in humility". Same thing as when Pope and others in front of all cameras wash feet of people. Showy pride of righteousness
This is spiritism, and according to Tobit, from none other than the holy angel. The thing is I didn't even have to go very far to feel that it's very different. The way it's written is way different from the 66 books. Like it's in first person diary format. Also I can see why some historians think it could be written as late as in Jesus's days. The part about how you should help the neighbours that are hurt and all that sound very Gospel to me.
Your ignorant of Jubilees. Raphael provided Noah a medicine book of all kinds of remedies from demon sourced ailments and afflictions the fish use in tobit is consistent with that. Don't pretend the tobit story wasn't referenced in the gospels. And the first person diary format makes up most of the content of Nehemiah with the exception of a chapter or so in the middle Nehemiah is a collection of source documents called Nehemiah memoirs. Also fish parts are an effective traditional remedy for some eye ailments in ancient Chinese medicine most Asians come from Shem and Noah gave the book to Shem.
I am surprised on what I would see it as out of character based on the few replies from you. It seems like a personal attack.
I fight them routinely and am very comfortable with tobit thank you. Why do you think some bibles took out fasting as having utility? I wasn't attacking you was making clear that its supported by another text the Sons of Zadok had in the qumran library that very same angel provided Noah that book on treatments. Even the healing at the pool of siloam which is mentioned not only in the gospels but is referenced in the old testament was in ancient times believed to be through his agency. Why does a supernatural being have to do anything a certain way isn't a good response when jehovah and the host of heaven could have easily fully fought any battle he required the Israelites participated in for them God could have just healed Naaman right away or required he only wash in the river one time but required seven it's not always the most straightforward approach