Adam and Eve

[Jahrule]

I've always assumed since Adam and Eve sinned against God in a perfect state that they won't get a resurrection. Still it would be cool to meet them. After the fall it doesn't seem like God talked to Adam and Eve much. Although Jehovah did take an active roll overseeing their children. He was right there with Cain and Able. It was kind of funny when Cain killed Abel. That sounds terrible. I mean it was funny how God asked Cain where his brother was.

God was like, "Your brother's blood calls to me from the ground." Sorry. I find humor in everything. It's funny because Abel was laying dead somewhere, and God totally knew that. The way he said in this poetic way. Sorry. I know. I'm terrible. I don't know why I just always found that funny. Reminds me of this satirical video I watched years ago that was a parody of that event. I will link to it below. It's funny as long as you don't take it too seriously.

The one gripe I have with this parody is nobody ever fully understands why Jah accepted Abel's offering and didn't Cain's. It wasn't because God didn't like fruit. It was because Abel sacrificed all the prized pieces of his flock. Whereas Cain just grabbed a bunch of crap off the ground. He didn't really sacrifice anything important to him, which is the whole point of a sacrifice. Of course, hardly nobody in this world understands Jah anyway. But regardless, I do appreciate good satire.

With that being said, would any of you like to meet Adam and Eve?

 

[kenmuldoon55]

I've always assumed since Adam and Eve sinned against God in a perfect state that they won't get a resurrection. Still it would be cool to meet them. After the fall it doesn't seem like God talked to Adam and Eve much. Although Jehovah did take an active roll overseeing their children. He was right there with Cain and Able. It was kind of funny when Cain killed Abel. That sounds terrible. I mean it was funny how God asked Cain where his brother was.

God was like, "Your brother's blood calls to me from the ground." Sorry. I find humor in everything. It's funny because Abel was laying dead somewhere, and God totally knew that. The way he said in this poetic way. Sorry. I know. I'm terrible. I don't know why I just always found that funny. Reminds me of this satirical video I watched years ago that was a parody of that event. I will link to it below. It's funny as long as you don't take it too seriously.

The one gripe I have with this parody is nobody ever fully understands why Jah accepted Abel's offering and didn't Cain's. It wasn't because God didn't like fruit. It was because Abel sacrificed all the prized pieces of his flock. Whereas Cain just grabbed a bunch of crap off the ground. He didn't really sacrifice anything important to him, which is the whole point of a sacrifice. Of course, hardly nobody in this world understands Jah anyway. But regardless, I do appreciate good satire.

With that being said, would any of you like to meet Adam and Eve?

I’d like to meet Adam and give him a swift kick in the pants.

 

[The God Pill]

I do side with the society that Adam warrants second death etc but for whatever reason second century Christians were very adamant he'd be ressurected denying he would be redeemed was disfellowship level taboo back then a bit weird.

I don't think Cain was lazy his sacrifice was from hard work sweat and toil farming the cursed ground like his dad. While he did succumb to an envious and murderous disposition we tend to gloss over the sadness he experienced at God not favoring his sacrifice. Brenton's septuagint shows it well

4And Abel also brought of the first born of his sheep and of his fatlings, and God looked upon Abel and his gifts, 5but Cain and his sacrifices he regarded not, and Cain was exceedingly sorrowful and his countenance fell. 6And the Lord God said to Cain, Why art thou become very sorrowful and why is thy countenance fallen? 7Hast thou not sinned if thou hast brought it rightly, but not rightly divided it? be still, to thee shall be his submission, and thou shalt rule over him.

Jehovah tried to comfort and reassure Cain yes something was subpar with how he'd carried out his sacrifice but if Cain would refrain from wrath he'd retain authority as Adam's firstborn and the seed would come through his line. Cain however it's clear rejected our father's considerate counsel and inflicted the very first human death on his brother.

 

[Jahrule]

I’d like to meet Adam and give him a swift kick in the pants.

Yeah. A lot has happened since then. They couldn't even imagine how bad things would get. Even with that being the case, I still have a strong desire to meet them or at least see what they looked like.

 

[Jahrule]

I do side with the society that Adam warrants second death etc but for whatever reason second century Christians were very adamant he'd be ressurected denying he would be redeemed was disfellowship level taboo back then a bit weird.

I don't think Cain was lazy his sacrifice was from hard work sweat and toil farming the cursed ground like his dad. While he did succumb to an envious and murderous disposition we tend to gloss over the sadness he experienced at God not favoring his sacrifice. Brenton's septuagint shows it well

4And Abel also brought of the first born of his sheep and of his fatlings, and God looked upon Abel and his gifts, 5but Cain and his sacrifices he regarded not, and Cain was exceedingly sorrowful and his countenance fell. 6And the Lord God said to Cain, Why art thou become very sorrowful and why is thy countenance fallen? 7Hast thou not sinned if thou hast brought it rightly, but not rightly divided it? be still, to thee shall be his submission, and thou shalt rule over him.

Jehovah tried to comfort and reassure Cain yes something was subpar with how he'd carried out his sacrifice but if Cain would refrain from wrath he'd retain authority as Adam's firstborn and the seed would come through his line. Cain however it's clear rejected our father's considerate counsel and inflicted the very first human death on his brother.

I never thought about it like that. I always assumed something was off in his sacrifice, but I didn't think much about his remorselessness. He wanted it to be accepted but yet something must have been off about it.

 

[Paul resiliente]

Nunca lo pensé así. Siempre supuse que algo estaba mal en su sacrificio, pero no pensé mucho en su falta de remordimiento. Quería que fuera aceptado, pero sin embargo, algo debe haber estado mal al respecto.

That's why he was stingy in terms of the QUALITY of the offering. The soil was cursed and it was difficult to sow and harvest in a land of thorns and thistles. Perhaps he focused more on his sweat and effort than on bringing the best quality products, surely everything would have been different, even perhaps Jehovah would have lightened the burden of the bad soil that there was to work that Lamech later prophesied would be through Noah. In any case, it was a central problem of Faith. It is understandable given the context of the effort involved in cultivating among thorns and thistles, but the reward would have been a thousand times better.

 

[Jahrule]

That's why he was stingy in terms of the QUALITY of the offering. The soil was cursed and it was difficult to sow and harvest in a land of thorns and thistles. Perhaps he focused more on his sweat and effort than on bringing the best quality products, surely everything would have been different, even perhaps Jehovah would have lightened the burden of the bad soil that there was to work that Lamech later prophesied would be through Noah. In any case, it was a central problem of Faith. It is understandable given the context of the effort involved in cultivating among thorns and thistles, but the reward would have been a thousand times better.

So in other words had Cain offered up his best quality offerings Jah may have blessed their efforts, both that of Cain and of Abel. I could definitely see Jehovah doing something like that too. Cain may have withheld his best quality in order to preserve it for some reason, so he would not starve or something. In other words, like you suggested, Cain didn't fully trust Jehovah to provide for him. He didn't want to give up what he worked so hard for possibly. Who knows? Regardless it very likely goes back to faith or trust in Jah. If only he had listened to Jehovah's warning he could have saved himself a lot of suffering. Come to think of it, I suppose we all kind of know what that's like. I know I do.

 

[Deborah]

I am not a violent person but I would like to smack Eve upside her head. Then say you know doggone well animals didn't talk you certainly were not hungry. Was life really that bad you had to listen to a voice you knew did not belong to Jehovah.

As for you Adam, YOU WIMP, was she that pretty for crying out loud. You certainly did reap and look at the mess you two made.
Smack smack smack.

I feel better now.

 

[PJ54]

As for you Adam, YOU WIMP, was she that pretty for crying out loud.

That's what we call in the modern world a SIMP. SIMPING for the girls.

 

[Deborah]

Well ALLLL RIGHTY THEN PJ
😂 😂

 

[The God Pill]

I am not a violent person but I would like to smack Eve upside her head. Then say you know doggone well animals didn't talk you certainly were not hungry. Was life really that bad you had to listen to a voice you knew did not belong to Jehovah.

As for you Adam, YOU WIMP, was she that pretty for crying out loud. You certainly did reap and look at the mess you two made.
Smack smack smack.

I feel better now.

Jubilees claims animals could speak hebrew before the flood Jehovah muted them after Adam and Eve sinned so that the devil couldn't deceive people by puppeting them like he did the snake. There was the occasion in the pentateuch when the donkey was un-muted and spoke to Balaam.

 

[Deborah]

Jubilees claims animals could speak hebrew before the flood Jehovah muted them after Adam and Eve sinned so that the devil couldn't deceive people by puppeting them like he did the snake. There was the occasion in the pentateuch when the donkey was un-muted and spoke to Balaam.

🤦

 

[Sundial]

I never thought about it like that. I always assumed something was off in his sacrifice, but I didn't think much about his remorselessness. He wanted it to be accepted but yet something must have been off about it.

Yeah, I always thought Cain probably had a really nice presentation/sacrifice (being as he was first born and in line for the inheritance, he'd show off in grand style). That would explain why he was so put off and hurt when Jehovah rejected him because of his bad attitude, and why he reacted as he did toward his younger brother.

 

[Patricia]

I was just thinking about Cain's and Abel's sacrifices. Gen 4:3b ".... that Cain proceeded to bring SOME fruits of the ground as an offering to Jehovah." Then vs 4 " But as for Abel, he too brought some FIRSTLINGS of his flock...."
IDK if Cain would have brought FIRST FRUITS would that have made a difference? 🤷‍♀️
Bringing the first shows a different attitude towards Jehovah, trust that Jehovah will provide more where that came from but also Jehovah's position as first, above all, especially in our hearts and minds.

 

[alan ford]

I was just thinking about Cain's and Abel's sacrifices. Gen 4:3b ".... that Cain proceeded to bring SOME fruits of the ground as an offering to Jehovah." Then vs 4 " But as for Abel, he too brought some FIRSTLINGS of his flock...."
IDK if Cain would have brought FIRST FRUITS would that have made a difference? 🤷‍♀️
Bringing the first shows a different attitude towards Jehovah, trust that Jehovah will provide more where that came from but also Jehovah's position as first, above all, especially in our hearts and minds.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered God a sacrifice of greater worth than that of Cain,+ and through that faith he received the witness that he was righteous, for God approved* his gifts,+ and although he died, he still speaks+ through his faith.

 

[Jahrule]

Yeah, I always thought Cain probably had a really nice presentation/sacrifice (being as he was first born and in line for the inheritance, he'd show off in grand style). That would explain why he was so put off and hurt when Jehovah rejected him because of his bad attitude, and why he reacted as he did toward his younger brother.

That's an excellent observation. Good point from everyone else too. You are all giving me a lot to think about. I also wonder if something else was going on that we aren't told about. It's noteworthy that Jah asked why he was so angry and sad. Jehovah said basically that if he turned to doing good things then favor would be restored. Interestingly enough, Jah didn't even mention the sacrifice from earlier. He said, Do good, bro. Strop trippin. You know... Basically. Perhaps more was going on in Cain's life that tainted his offerings somehow?