Ahithophel and Absalom: a type of the man of lawlessness and the weeds.

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Are these characters in the Bible along with Saul a pattern of the man of lawlessness and the weeds? I was reading their story and it's terrible all that they did. And they reminded me what the Bible says about Judas and the man of lawlessness. Are they a type of what the traitors inside the organization have done and will do in the future? Is there a possibility that at least some of those that are part of the man of lawlessness commit suicide after they gnash their teeth?
I was also reading about David and how Israel was divided after Absalom usurped the throne of his father, is that a portent of what will happen with Christians and the organization when the chosen ones flee and the man of lawlessness is in charge asking to persecute them? The Bible says that some will be faithful to the chosen ones (David) and others will betray them. I think it's an interesting pattern to study when we want to know how things will develop in the future.
 
I think you are onto something. David was king when his son usurped the throne and tried to have his father killed. And Ahithophel was David's closest adviser, whose counsel was regarded as the very word of God, just like JWs regard the Governing Body. When Christ comes, many false prophets will arise. But Jesus will appear to the chosen, granting them approval into the Kingdom, giving them their Kingdom crowns. But Jesus forewarned that children will rise up and have their parents put to death, just like Absalom tried to do with his father. At that time, everyone will be judged by their treatment of Christ's brothers. Interesting too, Ahithophel committed suicide, just as did Judas, who is connected to the man of lawlessness by reason of the fact that they share the designation of "son of destruction."

No wonder the WT ditched the whole type/antitype thing. :oops:
 
Watchman said:
I think you are onto something. David was king when his son usurped the throne and tried to have his father killed. And Ahithophel was David's closest adviser, whose counsel was regarded as the very word of God, just like JWs regard the Governing Body. When Christ comes, many false prophets will arise. But Jesus will appear to the chosen, granting them approval into the Kingdom, giving them their Kingdom crowns. But Jesus forewarned that children will rise up and have their parents put to death, just like Absalom tried to do with his father. At that time, everyone will be judged by their treatment of Christ's brothers. Interesting too, Ahithophel committed suicide, just as did Judas, who is connected to the man of lawlessness by reason of the fact that they share the designation of "son of destruction."

No wonder the WT ditched the whole type/antitype thing. :oops:
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Some of them don't want us to know some things. Do you think that some of those traitors might commit suicide just like Judas and Ahithophel did?
 
I just got a question that has been on my mind.
Was Judas’s role predestined as part of Jehovah's sovereign plan? Will he be
resurrected? I know JEHOVAH is merciful and Just.
 
Pattie29 said:
I just got a question that has been on my mind.
Was Judas’s role predestined as part of Jehovah's sovereign plan? Will he be
resurrected? I know JEHOVAH is merciful and Just.
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No veo planificando a Jehová la traición que Judas realizó. Es el diablo el que se introdujo en Judas. Que algo sea parte de una profecía no significa que lo que hacen los personajes que componen la profecía estén en el plan de Jehová. Nuestro Dios es tan poderoso que siempre tendrá un plan para cumplir su propósito. Para mi una profecía aquí en la Tierra es, la redirección poderosa que toma nuestro Padre para cumplir su propósito divino. Quizás este texto te dé una respuesta a tu pregunta. Mateo 26:24-Cierto, el Hijo del hombre se va, así como está escrito respecto a él, mas ¡ay de aquel hombre mediante el cual el Hijo del hombre es traicionado! Hubiera sido mejor para él el que tal hombre no hubiera nacido”.
 
Ana said:
No veo planificando a Jehová la traición que Judas realizó. Es el diablo el que se introdujo en Judas. Que algo sea parte de una profecía no significa que lo que hacen los personajes que componen la profecía estén en el plan de Jehová. Nuestro Dios es tan poderoso que siempre tendrá un plan para cumplir su propósito. Para mi una profecía aquí en la Tierra es, la redirección poderosa que toma nuestro Padre para cumplir su propósito divino. Quizás este texto te dé una respuesta a tu pregunta. Mateo 26:24-Cierto, el Hijo del hombre se va, así como está escrito respecto a él, mas ¡ay de aquel hombre mediante el cual el Hijo del hombre es traicionado! Hubiera sido mejor para él el que tal hombre no hubiera nacido”.
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I don't see Jehovah planning the betrayal that Judas did. It is the devil who entered Judas. That something is part of a prophecy does not mean that what the characters who make up the prophecy do is in Jehovah's plan. Our God is so powerful that he will always have a plan to fulfill his purpose. For me a prophecy here on Earth is the powerful redirection that our Father takes to fulfill his divine purpose. Maybe this text will give you an answer to your question. Matthew 26:24-True, the Son of man leaves, as it is written about him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for him if such a man had not been born.”
 
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I don't see Jehovah planning the betrayal that Judas did. It is the devil who entered Judas. That something is part of a prophecy does not mean that what the characters who make up the prophecy do is in Jehovah's plan. Our God is so powerful that he will always have the plan to fulfil his purpose. For me a prophecy here on Earth is the powerful redirection that our Father takes to fulfill his divine purpose. Maybe this text will give you an answer to your question. Matthew 26:24-True, the Son of man leaves, as it is written about him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for him if such a man had not been born.”
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Thank you for responding. That's not what I meant. It just a thought that came into my mind.
 
Pattie29 said:
I just got a question that has been on my mind.
Was Judas’s role predestined as part of Jehovah's sovereign plan? Will he be
resurrected? I know JEHOVAH is merciful and Just.
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Someone kills the Son of God, and God will be merciful? Are you serious? That is what Satan did. The Devil murdered Jesus. And Judas handed him over. Christ is going to crush the Devil as if he were stomping on the head of a serpent. Judas is called the son of destruction because he destroyed himself. God is not all-merciful. Angels and lots of people are going to be killed and remain dead forever and ever.
 
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Pattie29 said:
I just got a question that has been on my mind.
Was Judas’s role predestined as part of Jehovah's sovereign plan? Will he be
resurrected? I know JEHOVAH is merciful and Just.
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He is in Gehenna just like the unfaithful anointed will be. He betrayed the Son of God and kill himself. He destroyed himself. Up until now, few people are in Gehenna and Judas is one of them.
 
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Someone kills the Son of God, and God will be merciful? Are you serious? That is what Satan did. The Devil murdered Jesus. And Judas handed him over. Christ is going to crush the Devil as if he were stomping on the head of a serpent. Judas is called the son of destruction because he destroyed himself. God is not all-merciful. Angels and lots of people are going to be killed and remain dead forever and ever.
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I know; it was just a question. At times, you read and question certain things. Thank
You for responding.
 
Pattie29 said:
I just got a question that has been on my mind.
Was Judas’s role predestined as part of Jehovah's sovereign plan? Will he be
resurrected? I know JEHOVAH is merciful and Just.
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We have free will which means we have a choice and that shows we can choose our own destination, Judas Iscariot obviously chose the path of Satan now if Judas chose the path of Satan then it could not have been predestination.

Jesus gave Judas Iscariot an opportunity to make a choice when he confronted him and " said to him: “What you are doing get done more quickly.”

say to YOU, One of YOU will betray me.”+ The disciples began to look at one another, being at a loss as to which one he was saying [it] about.+ There was reclining in front of Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, and Jesus loved* him.+ Therefore Simon Peter nodded to this one and said to him: “Tell who it is about whom he is saying [it].” So the latter leaned back upon the breast of Jesus and said to him: “Lord, who is it?”+ Therefore Jesus answered: “It is that one to whom I shall give the morsel that I dip.”+ And so, having dipped the morsel, he took and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Is·carʹi·ot.And after the morsel then Satan entered into the latter.+ Jesus, therefore, said to him: “What you are doing get done more quickly.”

John 13:21-28​

 
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Pattie29 said:
I just got a question that has been on my mind.
Was Judas’s role predestined as part of Jehovah's sovereign plan? Will he be
resurrected? I know JEHOVAH is merciful and Just.
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I know Judas Iscariot felt remorse but the truth is when he was confronted by Jesus about his satanic thinking he was given the opportunity to repent but instead chose to betray Jesus.

Then Judas, who betrayed him, seeing he had been condemned, felt remorse and turned the thirty+ silver pieces back to the chief priests and older men, saying: “I sinned when I betrayed righteous blood.”+ They said: “What is that to us? You must see to that!”+

Matthew 27:3-4​

 
Bk Kevin said:
I know Judas Iscariot felt remorse but the truth is when he was confronted by Jesus about his satanic thinking he was given the opportunity to repent but instead chose to betray Jesus.

Then Judas, who betrayed him, seeing he had been condemned, felt remorse and turned the thirty+ silver pieces back to the chief priests and older men, saying: “I sinned when I betrayed righteous blood.”+ They said: “What is that to us? You must see to that!”+

Matthew 27:3-4​

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The same happened with Cain. According to the Bible, Jehovah confronted him and he refused to listen. I think that Cain is in Gehenna.
 
LuisMerino9412 said:
The same happened with Cain. According to the Bible, Jehovah confronted him and he refused to listen. I think that Cain is in Gehenna.
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Well that depends on If Cain sinned against the Holy Spirit or not and the Bible doesn't explicitly say that Cain sinned against the Holy Spirit .

“On this account I say to YOU, Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven.+ For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him;+ but whoever speaks against the holy spirit,* it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things* nor in that to come.+

Matthew 12:31-32> https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/bi12/books/matthew/12/#v40012031​

 
Soul Sage said:
The "son of destruction" means what it means. They will be destroyed forever with no resurrection.
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Scriptures to go along with your thought.​

Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy*+ comes first and the man of lawlessness*+ gets revealed,+ the son of destruction.*+2 Thessalonians 2:3​

2 Peter 2:3​

Also, with covetousness they will exploit YOU with counterfeit words.a But as for them, the judgment from of old b is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering.c
 
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