Ancestral curses, do they still exist today?

[Soul Sage]

Lately, the news has me thinking. In such a crazy world, people are paving their own path to their demise like a moth to the flame. We see this especially now with the offspring of Abraham which paved a path to two mighty nations that came through Issac and Ishmael. This may sound racial on the surface for those who lack wisdom but it really is based on their ideology and the ancestral practices they still do today. A former traditional jew and a former traditional muslim can escape these ancestral curses. If they acknowledge Jehovah as the creator and Jesus Christ as his son, the messiah. Although this profound change in their thinking is rare due to threats and getting disowned by their family they can break out of this ancestral curse by doing the latter.
However, their ancestral conditions keep them blind to the truth. As a result, God has cast a delusion on them and their culture.
Jews were once God's chosen people to bring forth the Messiah. However, they broke this covenant, it is why Jehovah took his protective spirit away from the jews which led to the destruction of the Jewish temple. They have chosen to believe in the traditions of the Jewish pharisees rather than Jesus Christ. If it wasn't for Jesus Christ, Jews would of been exterminated by the Egyptians because they had Jehovah's protective spirit with them. For scriptural examples of this can be found at Galatians 3, the entire chapter. I'll quote a small portion of it here regarding the curse.

Galatians 3:10-14: "For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith."

Thus, we see Jews voting against their own interests and that goes against the word of God and mandating a covid vaccine to all Israelites, that ended up killing or injuring many Jews in the process.

As for Ishmael and his mother Hagar, Jehovah did bless them and protect them. Saving their lives in the desert and having his angel help them. It wasn't until later on when Ishmael offspring eventually became a big Muslim nation. They had numerous names since then, Ishmaelites, Caliphs, Saracens, and now Muslim. After Ishmael passed away, the curse took place. Most likely when Mohammed came on the scene and this scripture came into fruition.

Genesis 16:12: "He will be a wild donkey of a man;his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

Throughout the centuries Arabs been in many warring conflicts since then and now in Gaza. Living the curse of living in hostility to all his brothers. Being a wild donkey of a man wasn't an insult but it was the terminology of them being a nomadic group, roaming around like a wild donkey before becoming a great nation that we see as Saudi Arabia today but are also spread out through various lands in hopes of taking it over and enacting Sharia law.

Just talking about these two big nations, their ancestry, history and culture would get me banned in some places but other groups of people have curses upon them too, Christians included. For sake of brevity, I just mention these two ancestors of Abraham who went their separate ways.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Yes they do! Ancestral curses still exist today to plague the innocent lives, children and adults alike, and follow one down to the grave like a malignant disease, to gnaw at your bones and ravage your very dust, to sterilise the very soil that surround your remains leaving a barren, desolation; an absence so profound it swallows up even light into is unmeasurable depths of blackened pitch sterility and vacuum; and there the curse squats and broods, feeding on memory, obliterating every breath of nostalgia, dwindling every strand of the past into a misting shadow of gloom and negativity. Even the maggot fears to go there, even mould, where the curse lingers as a covering slime upon the dry-shrivelled soul and yea, where even the dessert curls and shrinks, dying from a life of thirst, generation upon generation, sucking time down to a continuous, eternal, perpetual stasis, ridged, rigour mortIs . Such is the curse of the ex-wife, the adulterous one.

 

[Soul Sage]

Yes they do! Ancestral curses still exist today to plague the innocent lives, children and adults alike, and follow one down to the grave like a malignant disease, to gnaw at your bones and ravage your very dust, to sterilise the very soil that surround your remains leaving a barren, desolation; an absence so profound it swallows up even light into is unmeasurable depths of blackened pitch sterility and vacuum; and there the curse squats and broods, feeding on memory, obliterating every breath of nostalgia, dwindling every strand of the past into a misting shadow of gloom and negativity. Even the maggot fears to go there, even mould, where the curse lingers as a covering slime upon the dry-shrivelled soul and yea, where even the dessert curls and shrinks, dying from a life of thirst, generation upon generation, sucking time down to a continuous, eternal, perpetual stasis, ridged, rigour mortIs . Such is the curse of the ex-wife, the adulterous one.

That is quiet poetic. I didn't know you had some Edgar Allan Poe in you.

 

[Watchman]

As for Ishmael and his mother Hagar, Jehovah did bless them and protect them. Saving their lives in the desert and having his angel help them. It wasn't until later on when Ishmael offspring eventually became a big Muslim nation. They had numerous names since then, Ishmaelites, Caliphs, Saracens, and now Muslim. After Ishmael passed away, the curse took place. Most likely when Mohammed came on the scene and this scripture came into fruition.

Just a point. Muslim or Islam is a religion, not a nation or an ethnic group. For example, the largest population of Islam in a nation is Indonesia and they are definitely not Arabs

Where does Islam fit into Bible prophecy?

Question: Where do you feel the growing nation of Islam fits in to Bible prophecy? First, there is no such thing as “the nation of Islam” - at least not in the sense that the question apparently implies. (The Nation of Islam is the name of a black,

e-watchman.com

 

[PJ54]

I'd think there is generational curses. I have been feeling the effects of one considering how my life went & how little control I have on how things played out. It's rather frustrating since it has done me & my loved ones much harm. The scary thing is that I wonder if it can be rehashed over & over, going past the 4th generation.

 

[kenmuldoon55]

Yes they do! Ancestral curses still exist today to plague the innocent lives, children and adults alike, and follow one down to the grave like a malignant disease, to gnaw at your bones and ravage your very dust, to sterilise the very soil that surround your remains leaving a barren, desolation; an absence so profound it swallows up even light into is unmeasurable depths of blackened pitch sterility and vacuum; and there the curse squats and broods, feeding on memory, obliterating every breath of nostalgia, dwindling every strand of the past into a misting shadow of gloom and negativity. Even the maggot fears to go there, even mould, where the curse lingers as a covering slime upon the dry-shrivelled soul and yea, where even the dessert curls and shrinks, dying from a life of thirst, generation upon generation, sucking time down to a continuous, eternal, perpetual stasis, ridged, rigour mortIs . Such is the curse of the ex-wife, the adulterous one.

Very eloquent Shakespearean description.
Love it!

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

That is quiet poetic. I didn't know you had some Edgar Allan Poe in you.

Well, I don’t think Jehovah curses people as individuals really. I am aware of the relevant scriptures, but for me I feel the interpretation is more to do with the acts of nations or individuals due to revolt with Jehovah. The curse does go on generation after generation when the revolt is due to man and his inclinations. One only has to look to the Jewish nation for that. I feel that there has to be a little deeper reasoning into the scripture. It defies Jehovah’s description of Himself in many ways - the epitome of love seeks a different way of bringing people back from transgression - but nations and individuals heap coals upon their heads and their actions do reach for generations.

When Jehovah speaks of bringing troubles to the forth generation etc, I tend to think of it in the metaphorical - which is possible, due to the single factor of Jehovah withdrawing from His intervention with a person or nation. In other words, He chooses to be innocuous in the matter. To turn away from His people, does open the doorway for troubles to come upon them for generation after generation - without Jehovah having to lift a finger. The rationale in the bible is repetitious to say the least, in the examples of Babylon and Egypt, and the principle is also with Adam and every subsequent action of man. Further, and what is strikingly obvious to me in my doubtful reasoning is that the only time that man really does succeed (in spiritual living ) is when he does have Jehovah’s blessing. Thus to withdraw such blessing, certainly speaks ill for the transgressor to time indefinite let alone a few generations - and of course Jehovah remains righteous. The individual chooses their own path and its consequences and it continues that way until he chooses the correct path. It’s down to us then. The blessing or the curse is for us to choose to inherit. It is neither given or taken away. We put ourselves in the way of it coming within its reaches or operating outside of it. The scriptures invite us to “taste and see if Jehovah is good.” There is a physical and mental benefit to living as advised by Jehovah, without His doing anything. If we put ourselves in His pathway, we met Him. If we walk our own way, we do not. Thus the curse we choose for ourselves, or the blessing. A blessing (or ‘reward’) does not need to be proactive to be effective. We can choose to come under its effect (reward) simply by following the rules. The obverse is true should we choose it.

 

[Jahrule]

Lately, the news has me thinking. In such a crazy world, people are paving their own path to their demise like a moth to the flame. We see this especially now with the offspring of Abraham which paved a path to two mighty nations that came through Issac and Ishmael. This may sound racial on the surface for those who lack wisdom but it really is based on their ideology and the ancestral practices they still do today. A former traditional jew and a former traditional muslim can escape these ancestral curses. If they acknowledge Jehovah as the creator and Jesus Christ as his son, the messiah. Although this profound change in their thinking is rare due to threats and getting disowned by their family they can break out of this ancestral curse by doing the latter.
However, their ancestral conditions keep them blind to the truth. As a result, God has cast a delusion on them and their culture.
Jews were once God's chosen people to bring forth the Messiah. However, they broke this covenant, it is why Jehovah took his protective spirit away from the jews which led to the destruction of the Jewish temple. They have chosen to believe in the traditions of the Jewish pharisees rather than Jesus Christ. If it wasn't for Jesus Christ, Jews would of been exterminated by the Egyptians because they had Jehovah's protective spirit with them. For scriptural examples of this can be found at Galatians 3, the entire chapter. I'll quote a small portion of it here regarding the curse.

Galatians 3:10-14: "For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith."

Thus, we see Jews voting against their own interests and that goes against the word of God and mandating a covid vaccine to all Israelites, that ended up killing or injuring many Jews in the process.

As for Ishmael and his mother Hagar, Jehovah did bless them and protect them. Saving their lives in the desert and having his angel help them. It wasn't until later on when Ishmael offspring eventually became a big Muslim nation. They had numerous names since then, Ishmaelites, Caliphs, Saracens, and now Muslim. After Ishmael passed away, the curse took place. Most likely when Mohammed came on the scene and this scripture came into fruition.

Genesis 16:12: "He will be a wild donkey of a man;his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

Throughout the centuries Arabs been in many warring conflicts since then and now in Gaza. Living the curse of living in hostility to all his brothers. Being a wild donkey of a man wasn't an insult but it was the terminology of them being a nomadic group, roaming around like a wild donkey before becoming a great nation that we see as Saudi Arabia today but are also spread out through various lands in hopes of taking it over and enacting Sharia law.

Just talking about these two big nations, their ancestry, history and culture would get me banned in some places but other groups of people have curses upon them too, Christians included. For sake of brevity, I just mention these two ancestors of Abraham who went their separate ways.

I always suspected curses were just influence or pressure from our spirit enemies, but it could also be Jah turning us over to a debased mindset, which then leaves us open to demonic influence, or curse could also maybe mean a punishment of some kind. Who knows? As for the roots of Islam, considering its influence, its roots would have to trace back to bible days somehow.

I have some Muslims acquaintances. I have nothing against the Muslim people. I am willing to live in peace with people. It's only a problem if they have a problem living in peace with me because I don't care what people believe as long as we can live among each other. But if you ask me, Islam is little more than Bible fan fiction.

Muhammad was basically just a way worse version of Joseph Smith. He was also enormously stupid. He was killed by a Jewish woman whose family he slaughtered. She then offered to cook Muhammad a meal, and like a total psycho idiot he let her do it. Needless to say, she poisoned him, and he died a humiliating death at the hands of a Jewish woman. In fact, Muhammad died in much the same way he foretold that Allah would kill him if he was a false prophet. He said, if I am a false prophet Allah would sever my aorta! One of the last things Muhammad said was "Blagh! It feels as if my aorta has been severed!" True story.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I always suspected curses were just influence or pressure from our spirit enemies, but it could also be Jah turning us over to a debased mindset, which then leaves us open to demonic influence, or curse could also maybe mean a punishment of some kind. Who knows? As for the roots of Islam, considering its influence, its roots would have to trace back to bible days somehow.

I have some Muslims acquaintances. I have nothing against the Muslim people. I am willing to live in peace with people. It's only a problem if they have a problem living in peace with me because I don't care what people believe as long as we can live among each other. But if you ask me, Islam is little more than Bible fan fiction.

Muhammad was basically just a way worse version of Joseph Smith. He was also enormously stupid. He was killed by a Jewish woman whose family he slaughtered. She then offered to cook Muhammad a meal, and like a total psycho idiot he let her do it. Needless to say, she poisoned him, and he died a humiliating death at the hands of a Jewish woman. In fact, Muhammad died in much the same way he foretold that Allah would kill him if he was a false prophet. He said, if I am a false prophet Allah would sever my aorta! One of the last things Muhammad said was "Blagh! It feels as if my aorta has been severed! True story.

Look like he was a prophet then, given he foretold his end?!

 

[Jahrule]

Look like he was a prophet then, given he foretold his end?!

David mentioned that when debating Muslims on the internet they like to respond by claiming that. But he pointed out early in the video that it's like going around saying, "Hey I'm a prophet! If I'm lying God will strike me down!" Most people aren't prophets. In some cases, Jah might just ignore them. But in some cases, Jah may decide to humiliate them. And as David pointed out, if there was ever a candidate for someone God might want to destroy and humiliate it would be Muhammad.

 

[Soul Sage]

Just a point. Muslim or Islam is a religion, not a nation or an ethnic group. For example, the largest population of Islam in a nation is Indonesia and they are definitely not Arabs

Where does Islam fit into Bible prophecy?

Question: Where do you feel the growing nation of Islam fits in to Bible prophecy? First, there is no such thing as “the nation of Islam” - at least not in the sense that the question apparently implies. (The Nation of Islam is the name of a black,

e-watchman.com

I mentioned Saudi Arabia because they are a rich Muslim nation and I wasn't considering population numbers but in terms of a nations power and wealth, even though the British empire assisted in their rise and it's why it is the the Anglo American world power as it has the most influence. I consider them a nation because they are the descendants of Ishmael who's kin was prophesied to become a mighty nation, separate from a world power.

 

[Soul Sage]

Interesting video, Jahrule, I didn't know that before.

Anyway, I mention this topic because Im seeing a big divide with people who say they are democrats. Two big organizations like Media Matters for America, a radical far left media censorship organization going against another partisan Democrat organization the ADL which is a censorship organization to fight against antisemitism. It's shaking up their party and these pro Hamas leftists are protesting against the DNC headquarters calling for ceasefire and chanting genocidal propaganda "From the river to the sea". And Jewish leftist YouTuber finding his audience is mostly pro Hamas in his discord chat as he debates against pro Palestine YouTuber. Both are far left but now they are seeing a big divide on that issue.

 

[Jahrule]

Interesting video, Jahrule, I didn't know that before.

Most Muslims don't know about it either. Knowledge is power.

Anyway, I mention this topic because Im seeing a big divide with people who say they are democrats. Two big organizations like Media Matters for America, a radical far left media censorship organization going against another partisan Democrat organization the ADL which is a censorship organization to fight against antisemitism. It's shaking up their party and these pro Hamas leftists are protesting against the DNC headquarters calling for ceasefire and chanting genocidal propaganda "From the river to the sea". And Jewish leftist YouTuber finding his audience is mostly pro Hamas in his discord chat as he debates against pro Palestine YouTuber. Both are far left but now they are seeing a big divide on that issue.

I thought the Gays for Palestine crowd was pretty funny too. Most these people have no clue what they are fighting for. In one video they tried to tell them you can't be trans or gay under Sharia Law, and all they did was deny it. Even when the Muslim girls turned on the protesters they wouldn't accept it. They literally live in an alternate universe inside their head where they are supporting an ideology that would happily kill them.

 

[Soul Sage]

Most Muslims don't know about it either. Knowledge is power.

I thought the Gays for Palestine crowd was pretty funny too. Most these people have no clue what they are fighting for. In one video they tried to tell them you can't be trans or gay under Sharia Law, and all they did was deny it. Even when the Muslim girls turned on the protesters they wouldn't accept it. They literally live in an alternate universe inside their head where they are supporting an ideology that would happily kill them.

Exactly, proof they have a strong delusion in their thoughts and actions. In other words, absolute idiots. Can't reason with those that are that strongly deluded.

 

[Jahrule]

Exactly, proof they have a strong delusion in their thoughts and actions. In other words, absolute idiots. Can't reason with those that are that strongly deluded.

Yep. That's how Satan works. Putting everyone under the same delusion makes no logistical sense. He has a different approach with everyone. He's a master tactician. None of us are truly immune.