AP reports on the Annual meeting, before the whole thing has been released...LOL.

Nomex

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And as far as I can tell it's pretty accurate.




Makes me think the "white washed wall" is suffering some pretty heavy, storm like deluge of truth, I wonder how much more truth it can withstand before the whole thing comes crashing down!
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SusanB

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And as far as I can tell it's pretty accurate.




Makes me think the "white washed wall" is suffering some pretty heavy, storm like deluge of truth, I wonder how much more truth it can withstand before the whole thing comes crashing down!
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Anyone who understands people and their motivations KNOWS that this change will have a dramatic effect. And, a lot of the effect will just be unconscious because there will be no reminders of how much time has been spent or not. Like writing checks but not keeping track of the balance. You may not even be aware of over spending. Having a time goal is a mental trick that motivates the average person to achieve that commitment. I’m not saying that it is bad to remove the time records because I actually think they never should have kept track. The first century christians didn’t keep time records. Aren’t we supposed to model our worship after the 1st century? But, the increase in hours, has no doubt in my mind, been increased due to the simple motivations and requirements of keeping track. Plus I also have no doubt there was a lot of cheating going on, which I find very weird but I know it was happening. No one wanted to miss the time requirements or suggestions.

I also think there will be public ridicule and backlash for the brothers and sisters.
 
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Nomex

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Anyone who understands people and their motivations KNOWS that this change will have a dramatic effect. And, a lot of the effect will just be unconscious because there will be no reminders of how much time has been spent or not. Like writing checks but not keeping track of the balance. You may not even be aware of over spending. Having a time goal is a mental trick that motivates the average person to achieve that commitment. I’m not saying that it is bad to remove the time records because I actually think they never should have kept track. The first century christians didn’t keep time records. Aren’t we supposed to model our worship after the 1st century? But, the increase in hours, has no doubt in my mind, been increased due to the simple motivations and requirements of keeping track. Plus I also have no doubt there was a lot of cheating going on, which I find very weird but I know it was happening. No one wanted to miss the time requirements or suggestions.

I also think there will be public ridicule and backlash for the brothers and sisters.
I don't disagree with anything you said. I think where they screwed up was by having the time requirement in the first place, and I agree I think there will be some measure of backlash, coupled even more so with the change in "God shutting the door of the Ark", when the GT begins, because that thinking was a major motivating factor for the narcissism that is so rampant in the org. Just more and more plaster on the white washed wall.
 

robins

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I don't disagree with anything you said. I think where they screwed up was by having the time requirement in the first place, and I agree I think there will be some measure of backlash, coupled even more so with the change in "God shutting the door of the Ark", when the GT begins, because that thinking was a major motivating factor for the narcissism that is so rampant in the org. Just more and more plaster on the white washed wall.
what's weird is the logic for removing the time requirement, yet it is still in place to report for qualifying as a 'pioneer'. Can't everyone see through the disjointed "rules"?
 

Ms_ladyblue

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what's weird is the logic for removing the time requirement, yet it is still in place to report for qualifying as a 'pioneer'. Can't everyone see through the disjointed "rules"?
Back when we were reporting time they talked about how important it was and why…so as to know how much activity and what the needs were and where. Even backing this up with scriptures. It’s in the Organized to do Jehovah’s Will book.

Now they go into the opposite direction. What, did Jehovah change? The real answer is, we should never have had to report time to begin with. Reporting time to them was so they could operate as a business DISGUISED as a religion and be able to receive all the perks.

Turning time in is like being on a job anyway right?
 
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Jim

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I almost always had a struggle within myself in reporting time from informal witnessing. It was too personal. Between me, the person I was speaking to, and Jehovah. Two hours on a Saturday morning knocking on doors with no one home, no problem!
 

Cathii

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There was a time when time slips were important such as the vietnam war. The brothers were required to report their time as missionaries, 100 hours a month, in order to get out of being drafted or going to jail. The laughable part is the clergy only work 4 hours a month on Sundays???My friend, a brother had to go to court to prove his status as missionary, and he was scared.He was ultimately dismissed because he had flat feet. (imagine that) Another brother I knew went to jail in Texas for years for not submitting to the draft..Brothers in Korea face this constantly. So , the time slips did help in those circumstances.
I'm sure people put exaggerated time in order to not be kicked off the pioneer registry..Im not or ever will be impressed with "titles" imposed by the governing body. The pioneer meetings made this class distinction that I absolutely hated...but it was part of the dogma that whatever you do you still are a good for nothing sinner and can't do enough.
MY husband said before he died, " as for my household, we will serve Jehovah".. quoting Joshua.
Pray for the KIngdom, one step closer!
Dont we all take every chance to preach and teach? Satan is a murderer and a liar, that is the battle...
 
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MickHewitt

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I'm sure people put exaggerated time in order to not be kicked off the pioneer registry
I at times fiddled the count just remain classed as an active publisher! Used to beat myself up over it because 'He who is unfaithful in least!' I've learned Jehovah just wants us to own up to what we are ask for His help and not keep presenting ourselves as being righteous!
 
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Cathii

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I have no doubt you did your best, Mick. Thats the point, so many elderly approached me and said they wished they had to strength to carry on more in the preaching work. Who made us feel so bad about our contributions to Jehovah?
They completely lost my publishers card when I fled an abusive situation and they asked if they could start all over with a new publisher card? Are you kidding me? I was brought into the library with a brother that looked like Jabba the Hutt and grilled as in an FBI interoggation with one light bulb in the room.. It was surreal.
Needless to say I fled Jerusalem...then I bought a house in S. Carolina and went to meetings there..I told them I no longer believed Christ came in
1914 and they said they would dfd me.. So what!!! disfellowshipping is not the end of life , its only their short sightedness.. Jehovah loves us ...ITs Jehovah that gives me strength to continue.. not men..
 

SusanB

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I have no doubt you did your best, Mick. Thats the point, so many elderly approached me and said they wished they had to strength to carry on more in the preaching work. Who made us feel so bad about our contributions to Jehovah?
They completely lost my publishers card when I fled an abusive situation and they asked if they could start all over with a new publisher card? Are you kidding me? I was brought into the library with a brother that looked like Jabba the Hutt and grilled as in an FBI interoggation with one light bulb in the room.. It was surreal.
Needless to say I fled Jerusalem...then I bought a house in S. Carolina and went to meetings there..I told them I no longer believed Christ came in
1914 and they said they would dfd me.. So what!!! disfellowshipping is not the end of life , its only their short sightedness.. Jehovah loves us ...ITs Jehovah that gives me strength to continue.. not men..
Maybe Tony Morris is your neighbor? I think he is in So Carolina too.
 
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