Are we in a Hybrid Dystopia? Huxley vs Orwell

[SollaSollew]

 

[4JahandChrist]

Howdy Solla. Excellent video. I can take it even a step further in that there is unofficial citizen policing going on in the West.

When the Berlin Wall came down and East Germany's Stasi documents were raided it showed a very sophisticated surveillance program running called "Zersetzung " whereby they tried to destabilize and neutralize people by interfering with their personal residence and property and also co-opting the next door neighbours into noise campaigns designed to deliberately interfere with the targeted citizen's well being.

The problems is though that there are a number of people in society who think this kind of surveillance is happening to them when really they are just paranoid and delusional.

The fact that mental illness can mimic this type of surveillance gives the intelligence community a very comfortable barrier to hide behind in the form of "plausible deniability" . Any person that is genuinely targeted and surveilled by the Government simply will not be believed and passed off as neurotic.

I had a neighbour recently describe their experience back in the 1980's whereby the Police special operatives unit contacted them and asked if they could set up cameras in their house to film suspected drug dealers across the road.

They cooperated with the Cops without question and were excited that their home was being used for a Sting.

The Cops would arrive at their home in beaten up old Holden Shagging Wagons and would wear old jeans and T shirt with thongs or just bare feet. All of this was done so as not to draw any suspicion.

They ended up busting the house across the street and they were none the wiser about the sting taking place across the road.

If those kind of tactics were being used back in the 1980's then it wouldn't be a stretch that similar undetectable methods of surveillance are being used now.

Apparently in 99.99% of cases a citizen when approached by the Government to surveil the neighbours will always comply. People love being rats....it makes them feel important and gives a bit of excitement to what is almost always a dull and ordinary life.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

No, we are not in a hybrid dystopia Huxley style of living. It’s a hoax. Huxley’s writing reflected the outcomes of the rapidly expanding automated influence in America and the world and which Hollywood reflected in their film metropolis of 1927. Orwell on the other hand reflected upon the fascist and communist world growth during the 30’s and which was quite different to the views of Huxley. In fact, in analysis, the automated future both in the States and Europe, promised better living conditions due to the work that was made available - as was used by the “New deal” in America during the 1930s.

Both writers describe a soulless community under control of a faceless authority though, reflected in both communist and fascist states where people have no control over their lives and no justice to appeal to. That will not the case in the future as the bible suggests otherwise - the appeal of the opposing world government - as something desirable even against the kingdom of Christ. That does not necessarily mean that it is good, but that the promise of it is appealing.

The fear of dystopia is what is used today to control the “masses”; the endless fears, vaccines, crimes, cancer, joblessness and this is where the insoluble situation of mankind is played out, but with the governments being seen as liberators. Thus the reasons for going to war, protect growth, jobs, health, food supply and mobility etc. Dystopia will come to those who vote for the beast.

 

[MickHewitt]

No, we are not in a hybrid dystopia Huxley style of living. It’s a hoax. Huxley’s writing reflected the outcomes of the rapidly expanding automated influence in America and the world and which Hollywood reflected in their film metropolis of 1927. Orwell on the other hand reflected upon the fascist and communist world growth during the 30’s and which was quite different to the views of Huxley. In fact, in analysis, the automated future both in the States and Europe, promised better living conditions due to the work that was made available - as was used by the “New deal” in America during the 1930s.

Both writers describe a soulless community under control of a faceless authority though, reflected in both communist and fascist states where people have no control over their lives and no justice to appeal to. That will not the case in the future as the bible suggests otherwise - the appeal of the opposing world government - as something desirable even against the kingdom of Christ. That does not necessarily mean that it is good, but that the promise of it is appealing.

The fear of dystopia is what is used today to control the “masses”; the endless fears, vaccines, crimes, cancer, joblessness and this is where the insoluble situation of mankind is played out, but with the governments being seen as liberators. Thus the reasons for going to war, protect growth, jobs, health, food supply and mobility etc. Dystopia will come to those who vote for the beast.

Don't forget U.K brothers and sisters: clocks go forward an hour 1am 30th......another hour closer to Jah's day! The amount of times I have been caught out and ended up an hour late at the Kingdom Hall and in the late Autumn an hour early with the kids in the cold...brrr

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Don't forget U.K brothers and sisters: clocks go forward an hour 1am 30th......another hour closer to Jah's day! The amount of times I have been caught out and ended up an hour late at the Kingdom Hall and in the late Autumn an hour early with the kids in the cold...brrr

Haha! Don't sleep anyway, those days are loooong gone

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Howdy Solla. Excellent video. I can take it even a step further in that there is unofficial citizen policing going on in the West.

When the Berlin Wall came down and East Germany's Stasi documents were raided it showed a very sophisticated surveillance program running called "Zersetzung " whereby they tried to destabilize and neutralize people by interfering with their personal residence and property and also co-opting the next door neighbours into noise campaigns designed to deliberately interfere with the targeted citizen's well being.

The problems is though that there are a number of people in society who think this kind of surveillance is happening to them when really they are just paranoid and delusional.

The fact that mental illness can mimic this type of surveillance gives the intelligence community a very comfortable barrier to hide behind in the form of "plausible deniability" . Any person that is genuinely targeted and surveilled by the Government simply will not be believed and passed off as neurotic.

I had a neighbour recently describe their experience back in the 1980's whereby the Police special operatives unit contacted them and asked if they could set up cameras in their house to film suspected drug dealers across the road.

They cooperated with the Cops without question and were excited that their home was being used for a Sting.

The Cops would arrive at their home in beaten up old Holden Shagging Wagons and would wear old jeans and T shirt with thongs or just bare feet. All of this was done so as not to draw any suspicion.

They ended up busting the house across the street and they were none the wiser about the sting taking place across the road.

If those kind of tactics were being used back in the 1980's then it wouldn't be a stretch that similar undetectable methods of surveillance are being used now.

Apparently in 99.99% of cases a citizen when approached by the Government to surveil the neighbours will always comply. People love being rats....it makes them feel important and gives a bit of excitement to what is almost always a dull and ordinary life.

This happened to me once. The police said I didn't have a choice really so I let them do what they wanted to do

 

[4JahandChrist]

This happened to me once. The police said I didn't have a choice really so I let them do what they wanted to do

Rat!!!!

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Rat!!!!

It made a nice change for them not to be looking for MY stuff

 

[SollaSollew]

No, we are not in a hybrid dystopia Huxley style of living. It’s a hoax. Huxley’s writing reflected the outcomes of the rapidly expanding automated influence in America and the world and which Hollywood reflected in their film metropolis of 1927. Orwell on the other hand reflected upon the fascist and communist world growth during the 30’s and which was quite different to the views of Huxley. In fact, in analysis, the automated future both in the States and Europe, promised better living conditions due to the work that was made available - as was used by the “New deal” in America during the 1930s.

Both writers describe a soulless community under control of a faceless authority though, reflected in both communist and fascist states where people have no control over their lives and no justice to appeal to. That will not the case in the future as the bible suggests otherwise - the appeal of the opposing world government - as something desirable even against the kingdom of Christ. That does not necessarily mean that it is good, but that the promise of it is appealing.

The fear of dystopia is what is used today to control the “masses”; the endless fears, vaccines, crimes, cancer, joblessness and this is where the insoluble situation of mankind is played out, but with the governments being seen as liberators. Thus the reasons for going to war, protect growth, jobs, health, food supply and mobility etc. Dystopia will come to those who vote for the beast.

You do tend to contradict yourself.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

You do tend to contradict yourself.

I don’t not ever not contradict myself except not, not once ever on occasion when I do or do not in grey areas of conceptual understanding when the meaning is left open to one’s perception wherein contradiction in meaning must be accepted by the differing parties. Unless of course you’re correct, knowingly in contradiction of the facts as we see them to be. I think. Maybe, maybe not. Is perception a contradiction? That is the question! The American has contradiction all wrapped up by stating generally at their statement; “Am I right?”. We English have to stand by our statement of fact and take the flak as it comes. But just to compound the contradiction upon my contradictory manner, Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history! I always try to be sincere, even when I don’t mean it, so please for give me for being contradictory.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

This happened to me once. The police said I didn't have a choice really so I let them do what they wanted to do

During the plandemic, my neighbour was robbed of some copper tubing he had momentarily left outside while he got some tools. A passing plumber saw it, stopped and stole it from him in those few minutes, but was caught on my home security cameras. The police came and demanded a copy and wanted to come in. I couldn’t really deny them, but they politely asked if I minded if they took their masks off. One was female, the other male. I said, “Well you’re both reasonably good looking so by all means take them off if you wish.” They even took their shoes off too.

 

[SollaSollew]

I don’t not ever not contradict myself except not, not once ever on occasion when I do or do not in grey areas of conceptual understanding when the meaning is left open to one’s perception wherein contradiction in meaning must be accepted by the differing parties. Unless of course you’re correct, knowingly in contradiction of the facts as we see them to be. I think. Maybe, maybe not. Is perception a contradiction? That is the question! The American has contradiction all wrapped up by stating generally at their statement; “Am I right?”. We English have to stand by our statement of fact and take the flak as it comes. But just to compound the contradiction upon my contradictory manner, Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history! I always try to be sincere, even when I don’t mean it, so please for give me for being contradictory.

Barnaby your my brother in faith. Your ability to use so many words without saying anything amazes me, it's a talent.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Barnaby your my brother in faith. Your ability to use so many words without saying anything amazes me, it's a talent.

It’s a beautiful insight that you can reveal my character in a single sentence SollaSollew! I live in that ‘far away land’ your name reflects. Being out of character then, for a moment, may I reflect such by pointing out that the term “your” is the possessive adjective of ownership, whilst “you’re” is a contraction of ‘you are’! Thus for once in my life, I have been able to offer some content to you in my ramblings, rather than offering an echoing ‘empty vessel’ as is my wont!

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

It’s a beautiful insight that you can reveal my character in a single sentence SollaSollew! I live in that ‘far away land’ your name reflects. Being out of character then, for a moment, may I reflect such by pointing out that the term “your” is the possessive adjective of ownership, whilst “you’re” is a contraction of ‘you are’! Thus for once in my life, I have been able to offer some content to you in my ramblings, rather than offering an echoing ‘empty vessel’ as is my wont!

What ARE you two's going on about?

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

What ARE you two's going on about?

Sollasollew is quite rightly referring to my abject vacuity in the current subject matter in the above post, and thus I am trying out my brand new computer programme model on him that I have just set up and that I have called AH. ARTIFICIAL HUMILITY. I just feed in the problem accusation and it clanks and grinds a bit and then turns out some quite remarkable contrition on my behalf without my having to concede any point in the matter whatsoever, leaving my pride untouched! Thousands of politicians have signed up to it already and I have an email from someone called Wander in the Witchtower who is thinking of buying the rights to it. I’m going to be rich ‘without having to make any apology!’

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Sollasollew is quite rightly referring to my abject vacuity in the current subject matter in the above post, and thus I am trying out my brand new computer programme model on him that I have just set up and that I have called AH. ARTIFICIAL HUMILITY. I just feed in the problem accusation and it clanks and grinds a bit and then turns out some quite remarkable contrition on my behalf without my having to concede any point in the matter whatsoever, leaving my pride untouched! Thousands of politicians have signed up to it already and I have an email from someone called Wander in the Witchtower who is thinking of buying the rights to it. I’m going to be rich ‘without having to make any apology!’

Your bonkers Barney, completely bonkers

 

[SollaSollew]

Your bonkers Barney, completely bonkers

. . . and he owns it. There is a humility to his admission even if it is artificial.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

. . . and he owns it. There is a humility to his admission even if it is artificial.

We all should be able to laugh at ourselves. When we get to the end of our lives we realise that all our learning and experience is largely for naught. Our own children carry on making our mistakes in life determined to sort things for themselves and our achievements in life lie on the plateau of all those that have gone before - neither higher or lower, until the sun rises on the new kingdom and perhaps we are invited to move up from the lowest table.

 

[SollaSollew]

We all should be able to laugh at ourselves. When we get to the end of our lives we realise that all our learning and experience is largely for naught. Our own children carry on making our mistakes in life determined to sort things for themselves and our achievements in life lie on the plateau of all those that have gone before - neither higher or lower, until the sun rises on the new kingdom and perhaps we are invited to move up from the lowest table.

agree, I would love to move up from the lowest table and not repeat past mistakes.

 

[DavidCJ]

Howdy Solla. Excellent video. I can take it even a step further in that there is unofficial citizen policing going on in the West.

When the Berlin Wall came down and East Germany's Stasi documents were raided it showed a very sophisticated surveillance program running called "Zersetzung " whereby they tried to destabilize and neutralize people by interfering with their personal residence and property and also co-opting the next door neighbours into noise campaigns designed to deliberately interfere with the targeted citizen's well being.

The problems is though that there are a number of people in society who think this kind of surveillance is happening to them when really they are just paranoid and delusional.

No, we are not in a hybrid dystopia Huxley style of living. It’s a hoax. Huxley’s writing reflected the outcomes of the rapidly expanding automated influence in America and the world and which Hollywood reflected in their film metropolis of 1927. Orwell on the other hand reflected upon the fascist and communist world growth during the 30’s and which was quite different to the views of Huxley. In fact, in analysis, the automated future both in the States and Europe, promised better living conditions due to the work that was made available - as was used by the “New deal” in America during the 1930s.

Both writers describe a soulless community under control of a faceless authority though, reflected in both communist and fascist states where people have no control over their lives and no justice to appeal to. That will not the case in the future as the bible suggests otherwise - the appeal of the opposing world government - as something desirable even against the kingdom of Christ. That does not necessarily mean that it is good, but that the promise of it is appealing.

The fear of dystopia is what is used today to control the “masses”; the endless fears, vaccines, crimes, cancer, joblessness and this is where the insoluble situation of mankind is played out, but with the governments being seen as liberators. Thus the reasons for going to war, protect growth, jobs, health, food supply and mobility etc. Dystopia will come to those who vote for the beast.

Hi guys. It's been a long time.

I don't think all are paranoid. The technology to manipulate and influence thinking at long ranges exist. And it's not new. They had it for few decades, it's only becoming mainstream. Search about what happened to US raiding Venezuela, and what about a mysterious antenna-shaped device captured in a photograph during a covid lockdown protest in Australia with people reporting burns and extreme headaches after? A much more precise and targetted one could do this. They've been trying for a while.

Barnaby, it's not just an allegory. Aldoux Huxley is reported as wanting such a reality to happen. He is the useful idiot mentioned by the elites, but he was just as bad as them. He among them were talking about how they wanted a society where people would be subjugated by their vices such as pornography and drugs. One line about it says they would require all women by age of 21 to have at least one self-performed abortions and to have regular sexual intercourse with a different stranger every few months or weeks or whatever. They know that it will break any semblance of good for a Woman, a one made in God's image. And that "Cinema" will play pornography all the time, every time.

When you add that to the digital currency and Robert's explanation that Revelation's 8th King "sting" being until such a totalitarian, authoritarian, technocratic regime, it makes you absolutely shudder. Sting is an understatement.

 

[4JahandChrist]

Hi guys. It's been a long time.

I don't think all are paranoid. The technology to manipulate and influence thinking at long ranges exist. And it's not new. They had it for few decades, it's only becoming mainstream. Search about what happened to US raiding Venezuela, and what about a mysterious antenna-shaped device captured in a photograph during a covid lockdown protest in Australia with people reporting burns and extreme headaches after? A much more precise and targetted one could do this. They've been trying for a while.

Barnaby, it's not just an allegory. Aldoux Huxley is reported as wanting such a reality to happen. He is the useful idiot mentioned by the elites, but he was just as bad as them. He among them were talking about how they wanted a society where people would be subjugated by their vices such as pornography and drugs. One line about it says they would require all women by age of 21 to have at least one self-performed abortions and to have regular sexual intercourse with a different stranger every few months or weeks or whatever. They know that it will break any semblance of good for a Woman, a one made in God's image. And that "Cinema" will play pornography all the time, every time.

When you add that to the digital currency and Robert's explanation that Revelation's 8th King "sting" being until such a totalitarian, authoritarian, technocratic regime, it makes you absolutely shudder. Sting is an understatement.

Howdy. Sorry about the tardiness in my reply as I don't log in that often so I missed the notification.

My point about Paranoia was directed at the small percentage of the population who always think they are being surveilled but are suffering from delusional psychosis. A black cat runs across their front lawn and the Dog farts whilst chowing down on some meatloaf and they see it as some kind of grand conspiracy.

I wasn't saying that all people who feel they are being surveilled are mentally ill. There are many genuine cases of people being targeted and even experimented upon by Governments.

My point is that since many of the general population are ignorant to the fact this type of thing is occurring , when genuine targets of Governmental interference, tracking and experimentation seek help or justice they are passed off as being mentally ill and unbalanced.

The Government knows that genuine targets won't be believed which then gives them Carte Blanche to do as they please. It's actually a very cunning and sinister method that Governments use to dismiss and discredit those who are being genuinely harassed and harmed by Secret Service departments.

This is actually a subject the I wanted to pursue more when I first joined the forum. When I dropped a small snippet about being targeted myself, a sister contacted via Private Message saying she had been a victim of targeted harassment and surveillance but did not want to make it known to the general forum.

Why? Because the sister like me, knows that even people that post here would not believe our stories so it's best to keep it to one's self as no one wants to be perceived as paranoid or delusional.

I will add in conclusion that it's not only Governments that are involved. Groups like the Free Masons have infiltrated most levels of Government and hence become a "Government within a Government". This adds an occult dimension to the targeting which means the "Target" can be harassed both physically and then spiritually by demonic influences.

It's a very very deep rabbit hole and I have been to the bottom of it and have seen things that I would never share even with my closest associates. In many respects it's best that people don't know as it opens doors to things that as Christians we probably shouldn't be curious about. On a personal level though I can say truthfully that once you've been through the looking glass you never see life the same way again. This system is more corrupt, controlled and manipulated than most JWs will ever understand.

Strange that the very people who claim that the "whole world is laying in the power of the wicked one" are so blind to see Satan's influence....particularly during Covid. JWs labelled many of us on this Forum as being "delusional" and "mentally unstable" for questioning the UN, CDC and the WEF. Covid showed what the Secular Authorities and unfortunately the WT Society will do to people who don't go along with the official script......discredit and label people as paranoid and conspiratorial.....exactly the same tactics that are used against genuine targets of Government Surveillance.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Howdy. Sorry about the tardiness in my reply as I don't log in that often so I missed the notification.

My point about Paranoia was directed at the small percentage of the population who always think they are being surveilled but are suffering from delusional psychosis. A black cat runs across their front lawn and the Dog farts whilst chowing down on some meatloaf and they see it as some kind of grand conspiracy.

I wasn't saying that all people who feel they are being surveilled are mentally ill. There are many genuine cases of people being targeted and even experimented upon by Governments.

My point is that since many of the general population are ignorant to the fact this type of thing is occurring , when genuine targets of Governmental interference, tracking and experimentation seek help or justice they are passed off as being mentally ill and unbalanced.

The Government knows that genuine targets won't be believed which then gives them Carte Blanche to do as they please. It's actually a very cunning and sinister method that Governments use to dismiss and discredit those who are being genuinely harassed and harmed by Secret Service departments.

This is actually a subject the I wanted to pursue more when I first joined the forum. When I dropped a small snippet about being targeted myself, a sister contacted via Private Message saying she had been a victim of targeted harassment and surveillance but did not want to make it known to the general forum.

Why? Because the sister like me, knows that even people that post here would not believe our stories so it's best to keep it to one's self as no one wants to be perceived as paranoid or delusional.

I will add in conclusion that it's not only Governments that are involved. Groups like the Free Masons have infiltrated most levels of Government and hence become a "Government within a Government". This adds an occult dimension to the targeting which means the "Target" can be harassed both physically and then spiritually by demonic influences.

It's a very very deep rabbit hole and I have been to the bottom of it and have seen things that I would never share even with my closest associates. In many respects it's best that people don't know as it opens doors to things that as Christians we probably shouldn't be curious about. On a personal level though I can say truthfully that once you've been through the looking glass you never see life the same way again. This system is more corrupt, controlled and manipulated than most JWs will ever understand.

Strange that the very people who claim that the "whole world is laying in the power of the wicked one" are so blind to see Satan's influence....particularly during Covid. JWs labelled many of us on this Forum as being "delusional" and "mentally unstable" for questioning the UN, CDC and the WEF. Covid showed what the Secular Authorities and unfortunately the WT Society will do to people who don't go along with the official script......discredit and label people as paranoid and conspiratorial.....exactly the same tactics that are used against genuine targets of Government Surveillance.

"The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" EXACTLY!!! except not anymore apparently
Never forget that people accused Jesus of being mad/mentally unstable too, so we're in good company In the end, everyone who sides with Jehovah's truths and standards are going to be accused of being mentally unstable so might aswell start now and get in training for that day..

 

[4JahandChrist]

"The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" EXACTLY!!! except not anymore apparently
Never forget that people accused Jesus of being mad/mentally unstable too, so we're in good company In the end, everyone who sides with Jehovah's truths and standards are going to be accused of being mentally unstable so might aswell start now and get in training for that day..

That's true and I've quite literally had it done to me in a large way for whistle blowing on some Congregational and Familial corruption.

It's the oldest trick in the book. They don't address the facts but attack, discredit and slander the messenger.

And you can't move away from it either. They will contact the Elders in the next congregation and it's wash, soak , rinse and repeat.

As an aside, if anyone does suspect they are under Government surveillance ....don't react or seek help. They are doing it to destabilize the target so why give them what they want? It may sound counter productive but the best way to handle it is not to handle it. Just smile and think what a bunch of ........ers and get on with enjoying the day.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

That's true and I've quite literally had it done to me in a large way for whistle blowing on some Congregational and Familial corruption.

It's the oldest trick in the book. They don't address the facts but attack, discredit and slander the messenger.

And you can't move away from it either. They will contact the Elders in the next congregation and it's wash, soak , rinse and repeat.

As an aside, if anyone does suspect they are under Government surveillance ....don't react or seek help. They are doing it to destabilize the target so why give them what they want? It may sound counter productive but the best way to handle it is not to handle it. Just smile and think what a bunch of ........ers and get on with enjoying the day.

Yep, totally experienced terrible corruption in the congregations, and severely punished for trying to do the right thing. I had 4 kids too so it all made my life even more difficult. There's only one left inside Jah's org now, because he hasn't experienced the depths of the corruption, the other 3 did and eventually left. But, Jehovah knows all things and he will exact vengeance if and when needed.
As for government surveillance, we're ALL under it! Everyone is being watched as to how close their relationship is with Jehovah God, that's what everything has been about since the garden of Eden and it will continue right until that point in time when God's Kingdom is ruling concurrently with man's one world government and then push will come to shove. Hopefully, we'll all stay loyal to God's government and rely on him to help us hold on tightly