Breaking News: Two New Members of the GB

SusanB

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Ezekiel 38:10 I believe is where the attack on God's people by Gog of magog has been explained by wt, and where watchtower will use this as the foretold prophecy come true when they go after and shut WT down. They've been using this explanation for years.
Here is another wonderful scripture clearly showing there will be a judgment but also a time for repentance.

Ezekiel 34:10-16: “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘I am against the shepherds, and I will demand an accounting of them for my sheep, and I will dismiss them from feeding my sheep, and the shepherds will no longer feed themselves. I will rescue my sheep from their mouth, and they will no longer be food for them.’” “‘For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Here I am, and I myself will search for my sheep, and I will care for them. I will care for my sheep like a shepherd who has found his scattered sheep and is feeding them. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered in the day of clouds and thick gloom. I will bring them out from the peoples and collect them together from the lands and bring them into their land and feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams and by all the dwelling places of the land. In a good pasture I will feed them, and the land where they graze will be on Israel’s high mountains. They will lie down there in a good grazing land, and they will feed on choice pastures on the mountains of Israel.” “‘“I myself will feed my sheep, and I myself will make them lie down,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. “The lost one I will search for, the stray I will bring back, the injured I will bandage, and the weak I will strengthen; but the fat one and the strong one I will annihilate. I will feed that one with judgment.”
 
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Man from Berea

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The only difference is that Jehovah will protect his people...

I have a strong suspicion that Jehovah does not protect the entire people. (The whole congregation) (as the slave proclaims) Jehovah only protects those whom he finds worthy!
It is beginning to become clear to me why the Scriptures say: "Run out of her, my people..." (Revelation 18:4)
(But can be, that I mistake)
 
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Man from Berea

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Here is another wonderful scripture clearly showing there will be a judgment but also a time for repentance.

Ezekiel 34:10-16: “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘I am against the shepherds, and I will demand an accounting of them for my sheep, and I will dismiss them from feeding my sheep, and the shepherds will no longer feed themselves. I will rescue my sheep from their mouth, and they will no longer be food for them.’” “‘For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Here I am, and I myself will search for my sheep, and I will care for them. I will care for my sheep like a shepherd who has found his scattered sheep and is feeding them. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered in the day of clouds and thick gloom. I will bring them out from the peoples and collect them together from the lands and bring them into their land and feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams and by all the dwelling places of the land. In a good pasture I will feed them, and the land where they graze will be on Israel’s high mountains. They will lie down there in a good grazing land, and they will feed on choice pastures on the mountains of Israel.” “‘“I myself will feed my sheep, and I myself will make them lie down,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. “The lost one I will search for, the stray I will bring back, the injured I will bandage, and the weak I will strengthen; but the fat one and the strong one I will annihilate. I will feed that one with judgment.”

This is wonderful! Thank you so much for this citatum. It completely matches what I feel and experience every day!
Day to day I give gratitude to Jehovah. I feel Jehovah's care. The Jehovah's peace, and strenght with me.
 
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Man from Berea

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How comes neither one of these fellas has given talks on JW Broadcast :unsure:

Yes, indeed! This is question brilliant! Maybe once, sometime later we know.(?)

I apologize the for assumption, but for me this such, as the discovered evidence for the fact of evolution. (y)
All of a sudden, suddenly, it comes out of nowhere, and they say: Oh, we've known for a long time, we found it for a long time already. ;):rolleyes:
 

Jahrule

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I have a strong suspicion that Jehovah does not protect the entire people. (The whole congregation) (as the slave proclaims) Jehovah only protects those whom he finds worthy!
It is beginning to become clear to me why the Scriptures say: "Run out of her, my people..." (Revelation 18:4)
(But can be, that I mistake)
Sometimes it's hard to know. There are times when bad things occur that Jehovah allows. Like when Joseph was sold into slavery. I'm sure at the time Joseph may have thought Jah had left him, at least at first. And as it turned out, Jah allowed that to happen to carry out a larger phase of his plan. We can only see what's in front of us. It's entirely possible to have God's blessing yet still suffer. Even if it's only temporary.
 
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Man from Berea

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I will just leave this here...think it's safe to say this accurately describes them...

2 Peter 2
However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. 3 Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping. 4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment. 5 And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people. 6 And by reducing the cities of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah to ashes, he condemned them, setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come. 7 And he rescued righteous Lot, who was greatly distressed by the brazen conduct of the lawless people— 8 for day after day that righteous man was tormenting his righteous soul over the lawless deeds that he saw and heard while dwelling among them. 9 So, then, Jehovah knows how to rescue people of godly devotion out of trial, but to reserve unrighteous people to be destroyed on the day of judgment, 10 especially those who seek to defile the flesh of others and who despise authority. Daring and self-willed, they are not afraid to speak abusively of glorious ones, 11 whereas angels, although they are greater in strength and power, do not bring against them an accusation in abusive terms, out of respect for Jehovah. 12 But these men, like unreasoning animals that act on instinct and are born to be caught and destroyed, speak abusively about things of which they are ignorant. They will suffer destruction brought on by their own destructive course, 13 suffering harm as their reward for their own harmful course. They consider it pleasurable to indulge in luxurious living, even in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes who revel in their deceptive teachings while feasting together with you. 14 Their eyes are full of adultery and are unable to desist from sin, and they entice unstable ones. They have a heart trained in greed. They are accursed children. 15 Abandoning the straight path, they have been led astray. They have followed the path of Baʹlaam the son of Beʹor, who loved the reward of wrongdoing, 16 but was reproved for his own violation of what was right. A voiceless beast of burden speaking with a human voice hindered the prophet’s mad course. 17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a violent storm, and the blackest darkness has been reserved for them. 18 They make high-sounding statements that are empty. By appealing to the desires of the flesh and with acts of brazen conduct, they entice people who have just escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they are promising them freedom, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for if anyone is overcome by someone, he is his slave. 20 Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first. 21 It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.

Many-many todays thoughts there is in it.

I only one what would I highlight. " for day after day that righteous man was tormenting his righteous soul over the lawless deeds that he saw and heard while dwelling among them." (8.)
My question: If Lot tormenting the he's soul, then now the person it 'true christians' among are what do? Because similar things he see. (only in little)

Other thought. I read this long citatum, and comes my mind: Very good this google translate program! (in chromium browser)
Comes up in me the question: Maybe the New World Translation also with this maked? (Hungarian language version) Because the google translation better as the N.W. translation in 2003.
 

Sundial

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I have a strong suspicion that Jehovah does not protect the entire people. (The whole congregation) (as the slave proclaims) Jehovah only protects those whom he finds worthy!
It is beginning to become clear to me why the Scriptures say: "Run out of her, my people..." (Revelation 18:4)
(But can be, that I mistake)
But, thinking that some won't be protected in their hour of need does not make them automatically  unworthy. Time and unforeseen circumstances befall us all. Ecclesiastes 9:11
 
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Man from Berea

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You have a good point there. The talk given by both reflected far more substance in delivery technique than in subject matter and that Lett has mastered so perfectly in posing the question, answering it himself using his message, then reflecting it back to the listener as fact. One point he made in this way was; “…if any one cares for and protects our young ones’ (pause for effect) it is Jehovah‘s organisation.” (Add nod of agreement, lower tone of voice and inflect listener agreement as established fact). The onus is firmly put upon the listener to agree and the message is that the truth of the matter is substantiated - disagree at your peril.

Jehovah will surely forgive me, about Lett I said that, he is who the 'rubber-faced'. (I such calling to he) :)
I think that, Lett overplays his role, no?
At least he would practice in front of a mirror, how showing his emotions.
This is a wrong example from me: If a declaration of I love to my love, then this not I make one Shakespeare's with face of daramatic.

There's the problem when gestures and facial expressions show the opposite of what the words say!
(happened already this)
 

BagdadBill

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Jehovah will surely forgive me, about Lett I said that, he is who the 'rubber-faced'. (I such calling to he) :)
I think that, Lett overplays his role, no?
At least he would practice in front of a mirror, how showing his emotions.
Brother Lett has been working Use of Repetition and Gestures for the last 50 years and still can't get it right. The Theocratic Ministry School Guidebook states "Facial expressions go hand in hand with gesturing in giving feeling to the spoken word". The problem is that if you give them an inch, they take a mile. Some people have problems that prevent them from perceiving normal actions and reactions. It goes on to say that we should not be content with one or two gestures. He attempts to run the gammut yet can't even muster a believable smile.
They clearly follow the guidebook where it says to make a mark in your presentation so as to remind you to make a gesture. Much like the audience signs which say "Laugh" that some sitcoms used to use with live audiences, sometimes it falls flat.
Personally, I love his wide eyed look the best but then there is that squinty eyed look he pulls out when he's trying to show sarcasm.
I'd love to see Jim Carrey do a Lett impression.
 
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Man from Berea

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Brother Lett has been working Use of Repetition and Gestures for the last 50 years and still can't get it right. The Theocratic Ministry School Guidebook states "Facial expressions go hand in hand with gesturing in giving feeling to the spoken word". The problem is that if you give them an inch, they take a mile. Some people have problems that prevent them from perceiving normal actions and reactions. It goes on to say that we should not be content with one or two gestures. He attempts to run the gammut yet can't even muster a believable smile.
They clearly follow the guidebook where it says to make a mark in your presentation so as to remind you to make a gesture. Much like the audience signs which say "Laugh" that some sitcoms used to use with live audiences, sometimes it falls flat.
Personally, I love his wide eyed look the best but then there is that squinty eyed look he pulls out when he's trying to show sarcasm.
I'd love to see Jim Carrey do a Lett impression.

I agree... The error not in we ;)
 

Soul Sage

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I have a strong suspicion that Jehovah does not protect the entire people. (The whole congregation) (as the slave proclaims) Jehovah only protects those whom he finds worthy!
It is beginning to become clear to me why the Scriptures say: "Run out of her, my people..." (Revelation 18:4)
(But can be, that I mistake)
Welcome to the forum. There has been plenty of times in history were the apostles and other faithful servants of God were killed and even tortured and they were strong in the faith and Jehovah favored them greatly. To have a suspicion that those were not seen as worthy to God were allowed to be killed and tortured is going against bible history to satisfy your suspicion which is based on nothing. So yes honestly, what you said is a mistake. I'm not going to sugar coat it.

And you have two options. Be independent or be in an organization, albeit a flawed one, as no organization is perfect but to expect perfection is a fools thought anyways. There are those here that love Jehovah but despise the GB leadership. Jehovah will handle it in his own way in due time. To leave the organization and go out as independent will lead you defenseless. There are strength in numbers. That scripture you quoted is for false religion. You're saying that Jehovah Witnesses are a false religion if you think that scripture applies. It clearly meant false religion. And yes, while there could be some GB member that turns out to be bad. That "Judas" will be punished in due time. Which "Judas" member took vaccine money and promoted mass vaccination program within bethel? Who gave that authority? It's something I consider as sinister and Jehovah will punish them for it. But to leave the organization entirely just cause of a few bad apples just shows how sensitive and vengeful the person is. I am disgusted about what happened with the vaccines. By the way, they recently announced that they lifted the vaccine requirement as of earlier this week. So now non vaccinated people can visit bethel and volunteer. It's also important to note, you want to check yourself. Say to yourself am I having a vengeful spirit or perhaps I am overly sensitive and maybe I should reconsider my judgement on the whole organization by taking the biased emotions out?
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Jehovah will surely forgive me, about Lett I said that, he is who the 'rubber-faced'. (I such calling to he) :)
I think that, Lett overplays his role, no?
At least he would practice in front of a mirror, how showing his emotions.
This is a wrong example from me: If a declaration of I love to my love, then this not I make one Shakespeare's with face of daramatic.

There's the problem when gestures and facial expressions show the opposite of what the words say!
(happened already this)
I think brother Lett is a conundrum of mind, the plasticity of which, exceeds even the excess of wonders achieved in the contortions of expression he demonstrates with his face. I’m sure Jehovah is as perplexed by it all as much as we are. It’s not a sin to wonder at achievement. If Lett did not enjoy his facial dexterity, he has the options available to him of simply refraining from such facial athleticism, or quelling it with a hefty dose of Botox!
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Here is another wonderful scripture clearly showing there will be a judgment but also a time for repentance.

Ezekiel 34:10-16: “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘I am against the shepherds, and I will demand an accounting of them for my sheep, and I will dismiss them from feeding my sheep, and the shepherds will no longer feed themselves. I will rescue my sheep from their mouth, and they will no longer be food for them.’” “‘For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Here I am, and I myself will search for my sheep, and I will care for them. I will care for my sheep like a shepherd who has found his scattered sheep and is feeding them. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered in the day of clouds and thick gloom. I will bring them out from the peoples and collect them together from the lands and bring them into their land and feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams and by all the dwelling places of the land. In a good pasture I will feed them, and the land where they graze will be on Israel’s high mountains. They will lie down there in a good grazing land, and they will feed on choice pastures on the mountains of Israel.” “‘“I myself will feed my sheep, and I myself will make them lie down,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. “The lost one I will search for, the stray I will bring back, the injured I will bandage, and the weak I will strengthen; but the fat one and the strong one I will annihilate. I will feed that one with judgment.”
That really is a wonderful scripture. I never get tired of reading it.
 

Deborah

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Brother Lett has been working Use of Repetition and Gestures for the last 50 years and still can't get it right. The Theocratic Ministry School Guidebook states "Facial expressions go hand in hand with gesturing in giving feeling to the spoken word". The problem is that if you give them an inch, they take a mile. Some people have problems that prevent them from perceiving normal actions and reactions. It goes on to say that we should not be content with one or two gestures. He attempts to run the gammut yet can't even muster a believable smile.
They clearly follow the guidebook where it says to make a mark in your presentation so as to remind you to make a gesture. Much like the audience signs which say "Laugh" that some sitcoms used to use with live audiences, sometimes it falls flat.
Personally, I love his wide eyed look the best but then there is that squinty eyed look he pulls out when he's trying to show sarcasm.
I'd love to see Jim Carrey do a Lett impression.
I am sorry but not one of those gb members look right to me. Not that I am "ALL THAT" as the younger generation says.
They all look OFF. OK enough of my opinion on that. Disgusted.🤢
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Welcome to the forum. There has been plenty of times in history were the apostles and other faithful servants of God were killed and even tortured and they were strong in the faith and Jehovah favored them greatly. To have a suspicion that those were not seen as worthy to God were allowed to be killed and tortured is going against bible history to satisfy your suspicion which is based on nothing. So yes honestly, what you said is a mistake. I'm not going to sugar coat it.

And you have two options. Be independent or be in an organization, albeit a flawed one, as no organization is perfect but to expect perfection is a fools thought anyways. There are those here that love Jehovah but despise the GB leadership. Jehovah will handle it in his own way in due time. To leave the organization and go out as independent will lead you defenseless. There are strength in numbers. That scripture you quoted is for false religion. You're saying that Jehovah Witnesses are a false religion if you think that scripture applies. It clearly meant false religion. And yes, while there could be some GB member that turns out to be bad. That "Judas" will be punished in due time. Which "Judas" member took vaccine money and promoted mass vaccination program within bethel? Who gave that authority? It's something I consider as sinister and Jehovah will punish them for it. But to leave the organization entirely just cause of a few bad apples just shows how sensitive and vengeful the person is. I am disgusted about what happened with the vaccines. By the way, they recently announced that they lifted the vaccine requirement as of earlier this week. So now non vaccinated people can visit bethel and volunteer. It's also important to note, you want to check yourself. Say to yourself am I having a vengeful spirit or perhaps I am overly sensitive and maybe I should reconsider my judgement on the whole organization by taking the biased emotions out?
The decision to leave watchtower is not dependant upon the amount of wrongdoing within the organisation, but upon the conscience of the one offended. In turn, that would be measured by his/her insight, maturity, conscience, experience, sensitivity and concepts. In either value, they are no less valid in generating a response. That is what the conscience, when well exercised, will alert the person to. The degrees in which are no less valid than they may be mercurial. The gravity of intent is the issue, is it not? Adam acquiesced to the desire of his wife. She ‘listened’ to Satan, but we all know the gravity of what was at hand. So too, if a desire of one single being can provoke a response as cataclysmic as the fall of Eden, then certainly, it can cause a person to leave Jehovah‘s organisation. Is that somehow wrong? What is the purpose of Jehovah’s organisation now that it is being asset-stripped, the preaching work compromised, the truth distorted, the sheep discouraged and misled, infighting and discontent within the governing body, brothers murdering brothers and sisters and unborn children, abusing children and so on and millions of dollars being paid out to cover over court cases of child abuse?

At some point, the governing body of Jehovah’s witnesses agreed between themselves that child abuse should not be reported to the authorities unless it was unavoidable by the law of the land. At some point, the gb agreed between themselves not to disclose issues of child abuse to the courts and chose to pay a daily fine in stead, abusing the right to justice and misappropriating donations given for promoting the truth to pay such fines. Even if one accepts that they innocently wanted to “protect Jehovah‘s name”, they cannot deny the life-long harm done to the child. One does not have to murder the body to murder the soul.

Thus a “few rotten apples” is not the issue. It is what they have done, its consequences and the requirements of the individual to ignore such activities. It is the very act of ignoring these issues, that allowed the apples to rot in the first place, is it not? Why did you not consider that?

Clearly, Jehovah will be the last to leave His organisation. It is He alone that will destroy it, when his faithful one’s have left, with all the fury He has promised. To those under His care, He has told them to get away from it if they do not wish to share in His anger. Even those who are shuttering their minds to these things He will waken so that they too can escape if they love Him. So why then is it a ’vengeful spirit’ to hate what is bad, to hate what is being done and to get out with your faith intact and trust Jehovah to care for you as He says He will? How can one stay with an organisation that manages cases of child abuse in such a manner, believe that they should stay? That is not within our remit to advise. We are told that we are to respond when WE see these things. Thus when we understand fully our position, or responsibilities, our faith, our love of righteousness and what we must do accordingly, then we do so. If we do not see when that is, then we condemn ourselves through our negligence and our negligence is measured pro-rata with and by our spiritual appreciation. We should be biased. Be very biased in favour of our spiritual discrimination values so that we are alert and awake to the deceptive innuendo that “all is well….”. “Stick with us….you’ll be fine”. They said it themselves. I left Jehovah’s ‘earthly’ organisation 43 years ago. The elder gave me a watchtower and awake to read. After all those years of service, the explanation they gave me was to give me a watchtower and awake. They were not even on topic! They could have at least given me a bible, but no. They didn’t think that deeply. Jehovah, though, never left me. He sustained me, blessed my life, provided me with more than I ever had dreamed of, and more, built a hedge about me, even gave me a stool to rest my feet on, and then, after all those intervening years in the wilderness, gave me an iPad and a certain YouTube address. Flame rekindled. Thanks given daily. Biased emotions, well founded.
 

kenmuldoon55

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Jehovah will surely forgive me, about Lett I said that, he is who the 'rubber-faced'. (I such calling to he) :)
I think that, Lett overplays his role, no?
At least he would practice in front of a mirror, how showing his emotions.
This is a wrong example from me: If a declaration of I love to my love, then this not I make one Shakespeare's with face of daramatic.

There's the problem when gestures and facial expressions show the opposite of what the words say!
(happened already this)
Like he’s talking to children.
 
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