Broadcasting of May

[SusanB]

I know its been said on this thread but the take home for me after this Broadcast is clear: You cannot have Unity without Truth. And you cannot have Truth without Jehovah's Spirit. So sadly, since they are STILL clinging HARD to the lies and propaganda, we know Jehovah's spirit can no longer be there

Well actually as some have pointed out, even bad people can be unified but if we want our unity to include Jehovah and his son, it must be based on truth.

 

[יהוה_saves]

It would seem that they are no longer updating us with the numbers of brothers who have died from Covid up until now. Wasn't the last update somewhere in the 20,000's many months ago? I remember the GB saying "but they had comorbidities". How many of those deaths were vaxxed? Crickets..

@Sundial

oh yeah, and recall Gov Body member Tony Morris saying only four brothers (out of???) had some adverse reaction to the shots but these reactions had “quickly resolved”.

Here are the problematic options that the Gov Body has created for itself:

Option one) Continue with the claim that the shots are safe and effective, and happily claim there are no deaths and few adverse reactions to report. This would require the Gov Body triple down on the lie- perhaps a bridge too far for many JWs that have already lost loved ones and/or are themselves permanently harmed by the shots;

Option two) Report that JWs have exercised their power of “personal decision” and didn’t follow the Gov Body’s strong recommendation to get the shots, subsequently leading to many JWs coming down with “Covid” and more passing away, both demonstrating AND resulting from their lack of trust in the Gov Body, heavily damaging the credibility of the Gov Body and tripling down on another lie;

Option three) Go ahead and report more deaths and let JWs figure out on their own that the shots are neither safe nor effective- effectively annihilating the credibility of the Gov Body;

or

Option four) Stop reporting deaths, move along nothing to see, change the subject and hope nobody notices.

It appears the Gov Body had chosen option four. For now.
What. A. Mess.

 

[Nomex]

even bad people can be unified

This is exactly what the Pharisees said about Jesus, they said he was expelling demons with the power of Beelzebub, and that's the famous, "a house divided against itself cannot stand." I have pointed this out on this very subject many times. The demons are united! And guess what the demons agree, Unity is more important than Jehovah's blessing!
Oh yeah I did that!

 

[kirmmy]

Your post proves however the saying, "it bears repeating"

Indeed it does. I sent it to two people with the time stamp and told them to listen carefully. I got a reply from my Brother who said: "blah, blah, blah, we've heard that from them before...yada, yada." I said: "You didn't listen to it carefully, try again". Anyway he came over tonight and I played it for him. He still didn't get it. So I played it again and finally the light went on. Then he was pretty shocked and admitted he didn't notice it. Stuff can be right in front of our eyes and we miss it.

Who knows what else we're missing? Fortunately Jehovah is holding our hands and helping us along, eh? If God wasn't protecting us and guiding us we'd be doomed.

 

[יהוה_saves]

If God wasn't protecting us and guiding us we'd be doomed.

so true @kirmmy

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

@Sundial

oh yeah, and recall Gov Body member Tony Morris saying only four brothers (out of???) had some adverse reaction to the shots but these reactions had “quickly resolved”.

Here are the problematic options that the Gov Body has created for itself:

Option one) Continue with the claim that the shots are safe and effective, and happily claim there are no deaths and few adverse reactions to report. This would require the Gov Body triple down on the lie- perhaps a bridge too far for many JWs that have already lost loved ones and/or are themselves permanently harmed by the shots;

Option two) Report that JWs have exercised their power of “personal decision” and didn’t follow the Gov Body’s strong recommendation to get the shots, subsequently leading to many JWs coming down with “Covid” and more passing away, both demonstrating AND resulting from their lack of trust in the Gov Body, heavily damaging the credibility of the Gov Body and tripling down on another lie;

Option three) Go ahead and report more deaths and let JWs figure out on their own that the shots are neither safe nor effective- effectively annihilating the credibility of the Gov Body;

or

Option four) Stop reporting deaths, move along nothing to see, change the subject and hope nobody notices.

It appears the Gov Body had chosen option four. For now.
What. A. Mess.

Option Five…..wait until the next bioweapon release and blame it on the brothers who did not get vaccinated and that having the initial injections as recommended by them would have halved the resultant death rate amongst the brothers and that everyone should donate more money to help the GB carry out their life saving duties.

 

[PJ54]

Option Five…..wait until the next bioweapon release and blame it on the brothers who did not get vaccinated and that having the initial injections as recommended by them would have halved the resultant death rate amongst the brothers and that everyone should donate more money to help the GB carry out their life saving duties.

If it gets to that then we might as well have the GB do "miracles" Pentecostal style claiming they are Jehovah/Jesus.

 

[BillyRay]

Today He uses the Bible, so Jehovah's actual channel is the Bible, NOT MEN!

In the first century, some of the anointed Apostles - wrote to and provided direction to the Christian congregation. They were a provision from Jehovah.

What about in our day, and the generations of the previous century? I’d ask who really is the faithful and discrete slave? The scriptures state that there is one. We know that they are human and of the anointed. We know that they would be pronounced happy upon inspection by their Master, if they were doing what was required. Others would not. Others would be punished - some severely.

Now…. Before you go “full Nomex” on me let me say that I don’t disagree with what you’ve posted in this thread - other than to point out that there was an additional provision Jehovah gave. That said, it’s clear to me that the evil slave has come to the forefront over the past few decades - and has over-run the organization - which is why I do agree with your comment, and many of the other comments in this thread. As you pointed out, we have the Bible, which we know that we can always trust.

 

[kirmmy]

If it gets to that then we might as well have the GB do "miracles" Pentecostal style claiming they are Jehovah/Jesus.

That actually might happen. 2 Thes 2:

4: "He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."

9: "The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie"

That would also put them into the position to proclaim "Peace & Security" as Driven was mentioning in another thread. If they were doing powerful works as a "false Messiah" and proclaimed "Peace & Security" it would actually mean something on an international level.

Imagine that; an Org using God's very name and doing powerful works...but in reality, a tool of the Devil. All of this supposition would take a monumental shift in reality as it is today. It boggles the mind and I tend to reject it as being too "out there".

It would also be too deceptive for those that are genuinely interested in Jehovah and his kingdom.

On the other hand, it puts Satan's false kingdom in direct competition with Christ's real kingdom that will be preached by the Two Witnesses that will be preaching at that time.

All this is taking for granted RK's assertion that the MoL develops within the org. (I, personally, have no reason to doubt that)

I'm getting dizzy...

As always, your thoughts are not only welcomed but requested. There are plenty on this site that are way more spiritually intelligent than I.

 

[יהוה_saves]

Option Five…..wait until the next bioweapon release and blame it on the brothers who did not get vaccinated and that having the initial injections as recommended by them would have halved the resultant death rate amongst the brothers and that everyone should donate more money to help the GB carry out their life saving duties.

hadn’t thought of that, but you’re right. Just imagine- something as wicked as another bio weapon release being a bail-out option for the GB.

 

[PJ54]

That actually might happen. 2 Thes 2:

4: "He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."

9: "The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie"

That would also put them into the position to proclaim "Peace & Security" as Driven was mentioning in another thread. If they were doing powerful works as a "false Messiah" and proclaimed "Peace & Security" it would actually mean something on an international level.

Imagine that, an Org using God's very name and doing powerful works...but in reality, a tool of the Devil. All of this supposition would take a monumental shift in reality as it it today. It boggles the mind and I tend to reject it as being too "out there".

It would also be too deceptive for those that are genuinely interested in Jehovah and his kingdom.

On the other hand, it puts Satan's false kingdom in direct competition with Christ's real kingdom that will be preached by the Two Witnesses that will be preaching at that time.

All this is taking for granted RK's assertion that the MoL develops within the org. (I, personally, have no reason to doubt that)

I'm getting dizzy...

As always, your thoughts are not only welcomed but requested. There are plenty on this site that are way more spiritually intelligent than I.

That just reminded me of the confrontation between Moses with Aaron & Pharaoh with his magicians. In the beginning the miracles were able to be imitated by the magicians. It was until the third malediction that their power stopped. It's possible a similar situation will happen between the chosen & the MOL along with the false Christs & prophets where we see who is legit. It would be impossible to deny who is who after that. This is conjecture but, the end may have such situations to cause people to take a side. Time will tell.

 

[Jess]

Well actually as some have pointed out, even bad people can be unified but if we want our unity to include Jehovah and his son, it must be based on truth.

Ahhh yes good point!

 

[Nomex]

In the first century, some of the anointed Apostles - wrote to and provided direction to the Christian congregation. They were a provision from Jehovah.

What about in our day, and the generations of the previous century? I’d ask who really is the faithful and discrete slave? The scriptures state that there is one. We know that they are human and of the anointed. We know that they would be pronounced happy upon inspection by their Master, if they were doing what was required. Others would not. Others would be punished - some severely.

Now…. Before you go “full Nomex” on me let me say that I don’t disagree with what you’ve posted in this thread - other than to point out that there was an additional provision Jehovah gave. That said, it’s clear to me that the evil slave has come to the forefront over the past few decades - and has over-run the organization - which is why I do agree with your comment, and many of the other comments in this thread. As you pointed out, we have the Bible, which we know that we can always trust.

Excellent post, I agree with everything you said but will add two critical points. One, the Apostles were eye witnesses of Jesus life and ministry, his teachings and his miracles, and then you had the anointing at Pentecost. Those things were the "pedigree" if you will of who those people were, and their qualifications. The 2nd thing is this, the Bible is what "qualifies" someone as to who they are. In other words, they call themselves the "Faithful Slave" because that is in the Bible. We basically have to take their word for who they claim to be. And if they cannot back it up through the Bible then we have a problem. I think the biggest indication that they are indeed the "evil slave" is that they never actually admit they are wrong about anything. I used to think they did, but now I realize they just shift the blame. IMO, one of the best indications you have Jehovah's blessing is humility. When you can write about your life like Jonah did, that's really humility.

Now…. Before you go “full Nomex” on me

Yeah real funny! OK I admit that was funny! I think this is the beginning of a long and lasting friendship there fellow!

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

In the first century, some of the anointed Apostles - wrote to and provided direction to the Christian congregation. They were a provision from Jehovah.

What about in our day, and the generations of the previous century? I’d ask who really is the faithful and discrete slave? The scriptures state that there is one. We know that they are human and of the anointed. We know that they would be pronounced happy upon inspection by their Master, if they were doing what was required. Others would not. Others would be punished - some severely.

Now…. Before you go “full Nomex” on me let me say that I don’t disagree with what you’ve posted in this thread - other than to point out that there was an additional provision Jehovah gave. That said, it’s clear to me that the evil slave has come to the forefront over the past few decades - and has over-run the organization - which is why I do agree with your comment, and many of the other comments in this thread. As you pointed out, we have the Bible, which we know that we can always trust.

Yep, You know when you have been Nomexed. Have you met Nomessing, he is his brother. His mum was called Nojoking. I know them well as I have met them all during my life. You should meet his grandfather, Nomenclature - he really was a great guy. I think most people are related to him here, one way or another as you can see - including me! One big happy family!

 

[Jah-son]

The 2nd thing is this, the Bible is what "qualifies" someone as to who they are. In other words, they call themselves the "Faithful Slave" because that is in the Bible. We basically have to take their word for who they claim to be. And if they cannot back it up through the Bible then we have a problem. I think the biggest indication that they are indeed the "evil slave" is that they never actually admit they are wrong about anything. I used to think they did, but now I realize they just shift the blame. IMO, one of the best indications you have Jehovah's blessing is humility. When you can write about your life like Jonah did, that's really humility.

Spot on. I was just "discussing" this humility issue with my wife the other day. I asked her when they have ever admitted that they were wrong? When have they ever apologized and attempted to right the wrong? Its always some excuse (new light) or shifting the blame (the brothers overreacted to the direction).
They present themselves as infallible, a faux perfection. Overconfident, just like all of the past rulers of Jahs kingdom who assumed they had his blessing while carrying out wrongdoing and misleading the sheep. They may have been faithful and discreet at one time but there is a limit to his allowance of this behavior. Its a recurring pattern throughout Bible history.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Excellent post, I agree with everything you said but will add two critical points. One, the Apostles were eye witnesses of Jesus life and ministry, his teachings and his miracles, and then you had the anointing at Pentecost. Those things were the "pedigree" if you will of who those people were, and their qualifications. The 2nd thing is this, the Bible is what "qualifies" someone as to who they are. In other words, they call themselves the "Faithful Slave" because that is in the Bible. We basically have to take their word for who they claim to be. And if they cannot back it up through the Bible then we have a problem. I think the biggest indication that they are indeed the "evil slave" is that they never actually admit they are wrong about anything. I used to think they did, but now I realize they just shift the blame. IMO, one of the best indications you have Jehovah's blessing is humility. When you can write about your life like Jonah did, that's really humility.

Yeah real funny! OK I admit that was funny! I think this is the beginning of a long and lasting friendship there fellow!

That is a very insightful opinion in that the bible provides the standard of being chosen. I had never seen it that way. Given the inestimable expanse of knowledge that Jehovah has and in which we could never measure up to, it is nonetheless a true indicator of potential. Thus those who marry insight with faith and action, response and works according to their ability, signal favour by Jehovah. It sheds much insight into the parable of the Talants. Brilliant thought there Nomex!

 

[surfergirl]

They present themselves as infallible, a faux perfection. Overconfident, just like all of the past rulers of Jahs kingdom who assumed they had his blessing while carrying out wrongdoing and misleading the sheep. They may have been faithful and discreet at one time but there is a limit to his allowance of this behavior. Its a recurring pattern throughout Bible history.

This is truly a comforting thought for all those who have been mislead and spiritually damaged for many years, - [ who now find themselves isolated to varying degrees].
I know Jehovah will be there for all of us, but the pain is still real.
I know that he sees the price we are willing to pay to take our stand.
We are willing to die alone, if we have to, rather than worship the death dealing g.b.!
I am praying for strength to remain positive, and focus on the hope we now have - even though our former 'friends' may wrongly view us as a 'lost cause' or 'mentally off' .
So thank you, to everyone here for all the positive hopeful thoughts for the future!

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

How Heaven's Gate of her.

Poor sister, she must've believed that it was Jehovah pressuring her to get injected then?

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

no way Never mind that….I did that very same thing after the start of the pandemic 2020 I started doing some serious research, finding out a lot of nefarious things going on with the government and it’s agenda and I thought, surely the GB are doing their own thorough research and will realize that this isn’t what it appears to be. So we watched update after update thinking they would have made some acknowledgement. Fast forward to 2021, after vax rollout… injuries and deaths were pilling up but GB were just acting like nothing was happening, and pushing more and more for us all to get injected ( in an indirect way of course) By update #6 I knew then that they were in on it…the veil was lifted, so to speak. I knew then that the GB had, in effect, ‘sold their soul to the devil” I CRIED

Exactly this

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Same way with me- I was just having all sorts of reactions, shock, anger, crazy-grief, disorienting feelings, much more than I can describe. Really went off the 'deep end' for a while! Took a while to settle down. Probably still a little nuts, but, I think that's what people like about me. LOL

At least all of us nuts found eachother

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Well actually as some have pointed out, even bad people can be unified but if we want our unity to include Jehovah and his son, it must be based on truth.

How true is that! Well observed!

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Well, they are no longer “discreet” or “faithful“ The handwriting is on the wall.

That's a very good point about the handwriting being on the wall for them