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Ana

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I would love to start a family, but unfortunately, that's not in the cards for me. Getting involved with the wrong woman can be a risky affair, and given my current situation, it's even more precarious. Marrying a Jehovah's Witness is out of the question since they wouldn't accept me as one of them unless I conceal my true beliefs, which could potentially harm the marriage if revealed later. On the other hand, marrying a non-religious or 'worldly' woman presents its own challenges. So, I find myself in a dilemma where I can't marry within my faith nor outside of it. Perhaps there's a woman out there who shares my beliefs, but with only a few million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, finding someone so specific seems unlikely, and even if such a person exists, they might already be married.

Yo no me casé con alguien que tenía fe en mi Dios. No conocía Dios alguno y era reacio a las iglesias, no tenia fe en el hombre, ni politicamente hablando ni de en lo que a credos se refiere. Y ese fue un buen comienzo en cierta forma, pues no había que desaprender nada. Siempre escucho y respetó mi fe. Y con los años, con los sucesos, con las diversas experiencias que vivimos, terminó mirándome y diciéndome, ok, cuéntame todo lo que sepas de Jehová, de esas profecías que lees del americano Robert y quiero entenderlo, así que paciencia conmigo, que no se nada de la Biblia. Es curioso cuando alguien aprende las verdades verdaderas. El lo ve todo tan claro ahora. Predica que no veas!! Nunca se sabe @Jahrule, Jehová siempre tiene planes para atraer a los que le pertenecen. Siempre le hablé de mi Dios hermoso, desde el principio, con todo mi corazón le hablé de mi Dios y de su mano protectora.☺️
 

Jahrule

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Yo no me casé con alguien que tenía fe en mi Dios. No conocía Dios alguno y era reacio a las iglesias, no tenia fe en el hombre, ni politicamente hablando ni de en lo que a credos se refiere. Y ese fue un buen comienzo en cierta forma, pues no había que desaprender nada. Siempre escucho y respetó mi fe. Y con los años, con los sucesos, con las diversas experiencias que vivimos, terminó mirándome y diciéndome, ok, cuéntame todo lo que sepas de Jehová, de esas profecías que lees del americano Robert y quiero entenderlo, así que paciencia conmigo, que no se nada de la Biblia. Es curioso cuando alguien aprende las verdades verdaderas. El lo ve todo tan claro ahora. Predica que no veas!! Nunca se sabe @Jahrule, Jehová siempre tiene planes para atraer a los que le pertenecen. Siempre le hablé de mi Dios hermoso, desde el principio, con todo mi corazón le hablé de mi Dios y de su mano protectora.☺️
Aprecio mucho tus palabras, pero al mismo tiempo tengo la sensación de que mi destino último podría llevarme por un camino diferente. Aunque me gustaría tener una familia, es posible que no esté destinado a seguir esa ruta. Todavía es posible, dejo abierta esa posibilidad, pero sospecho que pueda tener un destino diferente. Es todo lo que puedo decir al respecto en este momento, ya que no estoy seguro.
 

Ana

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Aprecio mucho tus palabras, pero al mismo tiempo tengo la sensación de que mi destino último podría llevarme por un camino diferente. Aunque me gustaría tener una familia, es posible que no esté destinado a seguir esa ruta. Todavía es posible, dejo abierta esa posibilidad, pero sospecho que pueda tener un destino diferente. Es todo lo que puedo decir al respecto en este momento, ya que no estoy seguro.
Ahora quitas hielo de los raíles...y nunca sabes quién se sube al tren!! 🤣
 

Jahrule

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Ahora quitas hielo de los raíles...y nunca sabes quién se sube al tren!! 🤣
Por favor, Dios, que no haya más días de hielo o nieve. Estoy tan cansado de limpiar esas vías desviadoras y las "ranas" de la nieve. Pasé todo el fin de semana trabajando. Si eso es lo que se necesita para tener una cita, entonces me quedaré soltero.
 

DavidCJ

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May I suggest then that if you are troubled by issues in your life that you seek help from a dispassionate registered provider. Counselling may help you. But please don’t dump on me your regret at posting and reluctanceto do so. I offered help and insight, not cricitism.
No brother. I've been in such counselling for few months. It was useless, since it wasn't anything out of the ordinary. The only purpose of the "meds" were to make me drowsy so I couldn't do anything, which if anything worsened it. Since it was in a hospital I talked to few such nurses and doctors and it wasn't anything out of ordinary. The only purpose of registered psychiatric professions are to have someone to talk to, that's it.

You are right. This is also an escapism. If this was a physical existing congregation led by brother King it would have been different. If I could see and talk to you personally it would be different. But unfortunately it's not, and I'm doing things I'm regretting such as arguing with you.
 

Jahrule

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No brother. I've been in such counselling for few months. It was useless, since it wasn't anything out of the ordinary. The only purpose of the "meds" were to make me drowsy so I couldn't do anything, which if anything worsened it. Since it was in a hospital I talked to few such nurses and doctors and it wasn't anything out of ordinary. The only purpose of registered psychiatric professions are to have someone to talk to, that's it.

You are right. This is also an escapism. If this was a physical existing congregation led by brother King it would have been different. If I could see and talk to you personally it would be different. But unfortunately it's not, and I'm doing things I'm regretting such as arguing with you.
Trust me, dude. If anyone had this addiction it was me. Some people won't understand, but I do 100%. If I can do it, you can too. Just because you backslide doesn't mean you've failed. One of the excuses I used to tell myself is using animated material was okay because it wasn't real. I don't care if Rule34 isn't real. It still ended up leading to regular content.

I am relentlessly tempted to go back. It's so easy to get. Trust me. I still have to force myself to avoid giving in. This stuff is relentless. Even if you can go months without slipping, it'll just pick back up again at a later time. But trust me. The longer you go the easier it gets. I still miss it. Just like I still miss smoking weed, but I can't smoke anymore because of my job, and I can't go back to porn either because of my agreement with Jah.

One vice at a time, brother. If I can give up cigarettes, weed, and porn, you can too. Honestly, I'd give anything to be able to smoke a bowl again. I live in Vermont. We have weed everywhere. I miss it so much. And now it looks like I'll have to give up my vape too, because stupid Vermont outlawed flavored ejuice. I guess they were losing too much tobacco money. Regardless, never give up. No matter how many times you backslide. Trust me. Nobody backslid more than I have. You are not alone. You CAN do this.
 

DavidCJ

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Trust me, dude. If anyone had this addiction it was me. Some people won't understand, but I do 100%. If I can do it, you can too. Just because you backslide doesn't mean you've failed. One of the excuses I used to tell myself is using animated material was okay because it wasn't real. I don't care if Rule34 isn't real. It still ended up leading to regular content.
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I watch Legion of Men channel with Bo Refec regularly. He shies away from mentioning God, even though he points out it is an important factor. However, his channels are what got me to switch from having cereal in the morning(actually a bad food) to fruit/nut/protein smoothie and exercising more. While I don't participate in the discord channel as they are filled with people in denial and those of worldly advice, as wise as it might sound, at least Bo is level-headed enough.

His previous Youtube channel got banned mentioning something during the covid days. While I listen selectively for obvious reasons, his overall message is very good, plus having lots of practical advices. I found it very interesting his advice regarding sex even in married relationships as he suggests that sexual intercourse should be limited to once every week or so with ejaculation maybe every twice a week at the maximum. Apostle Paul talks about unbridled sexual passions, and it can really get out of control. It is also interestingly contrasted with the Mosaic laws that seem to penalize normal bodily functions such as menstruation. There is a deep basis in the Mosaic Law that we do not understand.

Our bodies are really biological general purpose computers that can be programmed out of it's intended purpose even if it's harmful to the owner. I've read about in one forum about guys struggling and they were talking about how watching heterosexual porn they were suddenly imagining themselves being in the perspective of the woman, even though they aren't gay. It really is a gateway to homosexuality and even pedophilia.

Jesus wasn't a feeble young man striving for righteousness. Jesus was a masculine, healthy, strong young man striving for righteousness.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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No brother. I've been in such counselling for few months. It was useless, since it wasn't anything out of the ordinary. The only purpose of the "meds" were to make me drowsy so I couldn't do anything, which if anything worsened it. Since it was in a hospital I talked to few such nurses and doctors and it wasn't anything out of ordinary. The only purpose of registered psychiatric professions are to have someone to talk to, that's it.

You are right. This is also an escapism. If this was a physical existing congregation led by brother King it would have been different. If I could see and talk to you personally it would be different. But unfortunately it's not, and I'm doing things I'm regretting such as arguing with you.
I agree very much with what Jahrule says in his comment to you. I agree with your opinion of psychiatry - though correct, it is not the point of psychiatry or counselling for that matter to cure, but to open up pathways of “cure” - perhaps to “desist” is a better choice of word, or to make a change in one‘s life, that breaks a cycle. It is that, the reasoning behind it by the one suffering that provides relief. That way, though occasional relapse may occur, any
habit can be broken by reasoning and Jahrule is exactly right in that though the loss in pleasure is keenly felt, the reason to abstain is often - not always - there to over come it. Why? Because the pleasure and self esteem of something greater supersedes and supplants that and is more enjoyable in other, more noble ways. It is a change of mindset. That is where the two “mindsets” dwell in argument and rea and in their outcomes. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and we reason upon both to justify it too. But eventually, we win and regain control. Dismissal becomes easier and urges weaken. You would benefit to talk with Jahrule as he has his finger on the pulse with dealing with “addictions” replacing one issue with another. Planning a way out, getting back governance over himself one step at a time. His attitude is a valuable asset to your situation and you can support each other. Message him, befriend him. Support each other. Such people are like gold dust as they hold the key to seeking the more valuable things in life that the Spirit endorses. Jehovah is aware of our situation. There is no one whom can stand before you and claim superiority. We are all sinners, we all have our greeds, our secrets. We all seek isolation. The spirit though has the nobility we seek, and it’s draw is stronger if we work towards it. You have a brother in Jahrule. Speak with him. Seek to understand his experience. Jehovah always offers a way out along with the trial and here he is offering a brother who has experience in vices that are too valuable to be ignored in terms of warring against them. I’ll get out of your hair. Sorry if I have upset you. It’s not my intention. Why are we here? To talk, or to care? Support, or leave to struggle? Which ever path one chooses it is rarely seen as anything other than interference. 👍
 
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DavidCJ

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It’s not my intention. Why are we here? To talk, or to care? Support, or leave to struggle? Which ever path one chooses it is rarely seen as anything other than interference. 👍
It's not my intention to upset you either. Between the differences in personalities and even moods during the day can create a big difference and friction between each other.

I apologize, forgive me brother.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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It is a large area of debate, Barnaby. It's not as clean cut as you make it appear. here are some studies that explore both perspectives on the debate surrounding pornography addiction:

Studies suggesting that pornography can be addictive:

1. **"Neural Correlates of Sexual Cue Reactivity in Individuals with and without Compulsive Sexual Behaviours"** by Voon, et al. (2014) - This study used neuroimaging techniques to investigate brain responses to sexual cues in individuals with compulsive sexual behaviors, suggesting similarities with substance addiction.

2. **"The Neurobiology of Sexual Addiction"** by Hilton and Watts (2011) - This review article examines the neurobiological mechanisms underlying sexual addiction, including the role of reward pathways in the brain.

Studies suggesting that pornography addiction may not be a distinct condition:

1. **"Is Pornography Use Associated with Sexual Difficulties and Dysfunctions among Younger Heterosexual Men?"** by Landripet and Štulhofer (2015) - This study found no association between pornography use and sexual dysfunctions among young heterosexual men, challenging the notion of pornography addiction.

2. **"Pornography Addiction—A Supranormal Stimulus Considered in the Context of Neuroplasticity"** by Ley, Prause, and Finn (2014) - This review article argues against the concept of pornography addiction, suggesting that problematic pornography use may be better understood within the framework of conditioned response and neuroplasticity.

These studies represent a range of perspectives on the debate surrounding this issue.
Yes I understand these arguments Jahrule. I can refer you to the issue of neuroplasticity as this best illustrates my stand on what constitutes “addiction”. In short, the brain essentially restructures its pathways to accommodate a continuous stimuli. Frequently this occurs following an accident affecting the brain and it reteaches itself according to stimuli. This is not an addiction as addiction is understood, but a learnt response to a given situation. The fact that the brain can accomplish this is pure majesty of design on Jehovah’s part but it is the perceived need of the individual that chooses it. The brain does not think for itself per se, in its choice of contemplation does it? No. It contemplates the hearts desire. Therein is the argument for addiction. Drug addiction is an entirely different issue that affects the functioning of the brain chemically. If you put aside the issue of pornography for a moment and replace it with, for instance, a high stress level life, you can also see the brain adapt to that, and other organs suffer - heart, liver, pancreas etc etc, as well as harmful cholesterol levels - all done by the brain. So yes, we get accustomed to that, or our body adjusts to it, but the solution is to change one‘s habits is it not? This is why the issue of “addiction” needs to be argued. Sometimes we just need to address the cause of our discomfort for our body to follow suit. Though I am sure I appear arrogant in my thinking it is not my intent. If I cared about popularity it would make me rather shallow. I prefer instead to at least try to assist where there is hope, rather than bid someone to “go well fed”, as the bible terms it. I am not wishing to put anyone down. This world provides a maze of dead end alleys that leave people without hope - it grants infant children to change their gender before their brain even knows what sex means - the world excuses all sorts of sexual contradictions, permits and pushes drugs, praises materialism ad infinitum, ad nauseam. It is no small wonder that people are confused in what “sufficiency” and normalcy means. With your experience and the addictions you listed, why not speak with David and befriend him and give him the benefit of your experience. Whether any of us are addicted to whatever, is not really the point. It does not matter whether what we do is addictive or not, it is the WHY we do certain things and who can help us to reason our way out of it. Being addicted is not a reason or a permit to continue in that pathway is it? Clearly, we recognise it is not good for us to continue that way, and that we seek Jehovah whilst He still may be found. Don’t hold your light under a bushel.
 

Ana

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No brother. I've been in such counselling for few months. It was useless, since it wasn't anything out of the ordinary. The only purpose of the "meds" were to make me drowsy so I couldn't do anything, which if anything worsened it. Since it was in a hospital I talked to few such nurses and doctors and it wasn't anything out of ordinary. The only purpose of registered psychiatric professions are to have someone to talk to, that's it.

You are right. This is also an escapism. If this was a physical existing congregation led by brother King it would have been different. If I could see and talk to you personally it would be different. But unfortunately it's not, and I'm doing things I'm regretting such as arguing with you.
Hola David. Para darle un toque más complicado, voy a incluir el español. Uyyyyy lo siento, espero que tengas traductor, por privado puedo usarlo, por aquí se automatiza la traducción y en mi teléfono no puedo. He estado en la cara contraria de tu adicción. Fui la adiccion sexual de alguien, pero en definitiva hablamos de control. Todo se resume en eso desde el principio. Da igual la adiccion. Ponemos en primer lugar algo que no debe estar en primer lugar. Ese es el proposito del diablo desde siempre. Que cualquier persona o cualquier hábito tenga el control de cada uno de nosotros, así el autodominio no se manifiesta y ese es un fruto espiritual sobre el que No hay ley. Piensa profundo esto y hasta visualizarlo en un luminoso. NO HAY LEY CONTRA LOS FRUTOS DEL ESPIRITU. Y menos mal que Jehová nos ha dado varios, por si uno falla, tenemos de otros. Ahora le tienes al diablo pisando tus talones. Recuerda que Jesús aplasta su cabeza. Dale un pisotón y el huirá de ti. Y así hasta la proxima. Ve al origen de tu historial adictivo, seguro que hay más conductas, los demonios no vienen solos. Si ves que solo se te complica por aquí estamos con mucho gusto. Es un gusto superior recuperar el control de la vida y darle la inclinacion divina. Mucho ánimo, lucha, ponte los guantes, dale duro!! Me revienta ver cómo alguien superior como el diablo se lleva otra presa fácil. Porque eso es lo que somos todos cuando caemos en su oscuridad hasta que decidimos encender la Luz de nuestro querido Jehová. Fáciles para el. Pero no somos suyos y tenemos a alguien que no reclama y no viene solo, nos trajo a Miguel para darnos alas y poder mirar solamente arriba. Para creer que se puede y ya lo creo que se puede!! Todos mis respetos a tu lucha. Ánimo, valiente!! ❤️
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Hola David. Para darle un toque más complicado, voy a incluir el español. Uyyyyy lo siento, espero que tengas traductor, por privado puedo usarlo, por aquí se automatiza la traducción y en mi teléfono no puedo. He estado en la cara contraria de tu adicción. Fui la adiccion sexual de alguien, pero en definitiva hablamos de control. Todo se resume en eso desde el principio. Da igual la adiccion. Ponemos en primer lugar algo que no debe estar en primer lugar. Ese es el proposito del diablo desde siempre. Que cualquier persona o cualquier hábito tenga el control de cada uno de nosotros, así el autodominio no se manifiesta y ese es un fruto espiritual sobre el que No hay ley. Piensa profundo esto y hasta visualizarlo en un luminoso. NO HAY LEY CONTRA LOS FRUTOS DEL ESPIRITU. Y menos mal que Jehová nos ha dado varios, por si uno falla, tenemos de otros. Ahora le tienes al diablo pisando tus talones. Recuerda que Jesús aplasta su cabeza. Dale un pisotón y el huirá de ti. Y así hasta la proxima. Ve al origen de tu historial adictivo, seguro que hay más conductas, los demonios no vienen solos. Si ves que solo se te complica por aquí estamos con mucho gusto. Es un gusto superior recuperar el control de la vida y darle la inclinacion divina. Mucho ánimo, lucha, ponte los guantes, dale duro!! Me revienta ver cómo alguien superior como el diablo se lleva otra presa fácil. Porque eso es lo que somos todos cuando caemos en su oscuridad hasta que decidimos encender la Luz de nuestro querido Jehová. Fáciles para el. Pero no somos suyos y tenemos a alguien que no reclama y no viene solo, nos trajo a Miguel para darnos alas y poder mirar solamente arriba. Para creer que se puede y ya lo creo que se puede!! Todos mis respetos a tu lucha. Ánimo, valiente!! ❤️
Hispanice in anglicus bene interpretari non latine sic scribo! Lignum palum arbor scientiae. 👍
 
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Ana

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Hispanice in anglicus bene interpretari non latine sic scribo! Lignum palum arbor scientiae. 👍
Tu comentario me recordó a Pablo y su pasaje en Romanos. Todo el capítulo 11 es especial para mí. Las ramas, la raíz que alimenta todo, los pecados, la posibilidad de hacer bien las cosas. La fe❤️. Esa profundidad que todo lo remueve dentro de la palabra de Jehová. romanos 11:17 Pues si algunas de las ramas fueron desgajadas, y tú, siendo olivo silvestre, has sido injertado en lugar de ellas, y has sido hecho participante de la raíz y de la rica savia del olivo, 18 no te jactes contra las ramas; y si te jactas, sabe que no sustentas tú a la raíz, sino la raíz a ti. 19 Pues las ramas, dirás, fueron desgajadas para que yo fuese injertado. 20 Bien; por su incredulidad fueron desgajadas, pero tú por la fe estás en pie. No te ensombezcas, sino teme.
 

kirmmy

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Hello, all of this started from this person's comment on a forum.




He claims to have contacts in Bethel


If the organization really reformulates the term fornication and accepts unnatural sex within marriage, there will be many who left the organization completely disgusted by the apostasy.
So glad I'm no longer in this Den of Wolves. Thank you Jehovah!

BTW, many, many "disfellowshipping" offences were not, if you read the Bible. I won't go into examples because many are simply conscience matters and if you have a close relationship with Jehovah, your conscience should be finely tuned and effective.

But that's how you control a cult.

Isa 29:13
For, this is what was said by the Lord:‘With their mouths, these people approach Me,And with their lips, they offer Me praise…But they’re far away from Me in their hearts.So they’re wasting their time when they bow before Me,Since they’re teaching the ideas and instructions of men!
BTW, considering the WBTS:

Isa 28:8
A curse will thereafter devour their plans;For the plans that they have are just to get rich.
 

MickHewitt

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Isa 29:13
For, this is what was said by the Lord:‘With their mouths, these people approach Me,And with their lips, they offer Me praise…But they’re far away from Me in their hearts.So they’re wasting their time when they bow before Me,Since they’re teaching the ideas and instructions of men!
BTW, considering the WBTS:
Yip! 2Tim3:5 "Having an appearance of godliness but proving false to it's power"
 

kirmmy

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I'm not going to argue with you Barnaby, or for anyone else for that matter. I can't do this. It stops here. This makes me regret posting again.

I'm only here because I have a deep respect and appreciation for Robert and his work.
Don't feel bad David. Anyone who can reveal his most intimate issues on a forum has got tremendous courage in my book. What you talked about is an addiction (One of the few times I disagree with "The Dog") and is usually referred to as PMO. It has to do with dopamine, brain reward, etc from what I've read, anyway. Not unlike smoking, overeating, gambling... Of course, it does have more than brain chemistry driving it and that's why we can stop it. I can tell by your outspokenness regarding it, you will conquer it. People confess their sins when they want help and will strive to conquer. That's you Bro.
 

DavidCJ

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I can tell by your outspokenness regarding it, you will conquer it. People confess their sins when they want help and will strive to conquer. That's you Bro.
I'd like to think of it this way. Too many secrets and Jehovah himself will reveal ours.

"For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all."
Luke 8:17(NLT)
 

Jahrule

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I'd like to think of it this way. Too many secrets and Jehovah himself will reveal ours.

"For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all."
Luke 8:17(NLT)
Wanna know my secret? Staying busy. There's an old adage. Idol hands are tools of the devil. Technically, I stole that from Idol Hands from 1999. It's an old stoner film. It was really stupid. I loved it. Anyway... Point being, if you're just sitting around you open yourself up to temptation. Working for the railroad helps a lot. By the time I get home all I want to do is maybe have a Ranger beer and sleep. Any activity would help. Exercise. Knit a sweater. Take up a hobby. Read a book, the bible is a great option. Surround yourself with spiritual things. Pray a lot.

Yeah, all secrets come to the light. But still, don't take that as an absolute. We know very little about the apostles. All their secrets didn't get recorded. If it had the bible would have been a much larger book. We know some stuff, but Jah knows what needs to be illuminated. God still respects some degree of privacy. He knows we aren't perfect. If he ever tells my story I sure hope he leaves a lot out. Think of how the bible records history. We know some of their successes. We know some major failures, but we don't know the whole story. I'm willing to bet Paul, Mark, Luke John, Matthew, etc all had many other issues we do not know about. Trust me. Our flaws as humans are in good company. I am certain Paul didn't go on about how terrible he was for nothing. If anything we may even have less problems than they did. Keep up the good fight, my friend. Your struggles are nothing new. Okay. I'm going to bed.
 

LuisMerino9412

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Hello, all of this started from this person's comment on a forum.




He claims to have contacts in Bethel


If the organization really reformulates the term fornication and accepts unnatural sex within marriage, there will be many who left the organization completely disgusted by the apostasy.
Unnatural sex within marriage? I don't understand...
 
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