Caution not to be like alarmists

[DavidCJ]

I think one big flaw in the Watchtower and other religious denominations, and even people in general is that we tend to have the mentality of "now, Now, NOW!!" when it comes to prophecy. I absolutely would have believed in 1914 no doubt when it happened. It's only more than 100 years later that skeptics arose.

I think for many, many people that the Day of Jehovah will come as a surprise. However, I really don't think it would be so unexpected for us, considering how close we keep tracking of things. You don't need to know the exact date, but have a gut feeling around when it might occur. Being in the trading space for some time(or at least watching many such videos), I know none of them forecast accurately, it's always about probabilities. Because you cannot see the future. Even "prophecy" is basically spiritual beings(angels and God) maneuvering things in the world to fulfill the prophecy. Note though that many in the Christian churches and JWs are among the least aware people in the world. In fact, JWs are so comfortable and complacent with their system that even the churchgoers are aware. No wonder it took the internet for me to realize things like One World Government possibly being a biblical thing, and by that I mean Truth not just something the churchgoers made up randomly like concept of hellfire.

It is also inherent in our nature to have a BIAS. Which means even among the JWs they are influenced by the culture around them and have a BIAS. What ultimately matters is the choice you make. You may have a bias for a candidate but your CHOICE must be with Jesus. That's what matters.

Few years ago I came across some blog who pointed out that many conservatives lost out on many opportunities(financially for one) because they believed in the world is ending tomorrow mentality, or the stock market will crash tomorrow mentality for so long. There's maybe a debate to be had whether spiritually that is a positive thing as some kind of suffering seems to be needed for imperfect humans not to be lax, but... obviously some will be very annoyed about this, since it's been going on for 20 years.

I think there's some merit to that bias to be alarmist in us that pushed us to be more spiritual, and God obviously knows this. But let's not be so absorbed that we get lost in it entirely. Because it can get to the point where it holds you back because of the fear. There's a right amount of "suffering" where it's optimal for spiritual growth, but if it's too much you can kill that spirit.

Remember the devil is so confident and the lackeys so brazen that they literally tell us their plans. Agenda 2030. That's at the same time very close but at the same time some time left. And the thing about plans is it can always be delayed a little bit. Let's try to keep the right balance, because ultimately it's up to God in the end.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

And the thing about plans is it can always be delayed a little bit

Or even brought forward to spring a surprise..

 

[DavidCJ]

Or even brought forward to spring a surprise..

There's significant amount of pushback, I don't think it'll be brought forward. Like someone said, probably @melinda that the evil has a tendency to underestimate human tenacity and strength. Only issue is the "good" people are too complacent and react way too late. Like the lockdowns, if the people revolted, it would have been done in 6 months. Kick the people out. Go to Davos and ban them completely. Like you expect 3000 out of 1 million to be noticed? 1/2 of the population might not be enough! Go to their homes and blare sirens 24/7. The "good" people basically like to be cute in their reactions, no wonder God has to come and save us.

Agenda 2030 is when they basically expect their plans to be done, so yea I do expect a surprise, few or many of them towards 2030.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

There's significant amount of pushback, I don't think it'll be brought forward. Like someone said, probably @melinda that the evil has a tendency to underestimate human tenacity and strength. Only issue is the "good" people are too complacent and react way too late. Like the lockdowns, if the people revolted, it would have been done in 6 months. Kick the people out. Go to Davos and ban them completely. Like you expect 3000 out of 1 million to be noticed? 1/2 of the population might not be enough! Go to their homes and blare sirens 24/7. The "good" people basically like to be cute in their reactions, no wonder God has to come and save us.

Agenda 2030 is when they basically expect their plans to be done, so yea I do expect a surprise, few or many of them towards 2030.

Trouble is, the majority of people have no idea that everything is planned, they really do believe that everything is just organically evolving and that all the various "crises" and chaos are caused by "incompetent" so called leaders. Even in Jah's org we are not allowed to talk about Agenda 30 or indeed any other agendas, the GB have made sure of this, that's how I know they are infiltrators. And if you can't have these discussions inside Jah's org then what's the point in being a member of the congregation? It's impossible to be unified all the time the leaders have the kind of control they have now..

 

[DavidCJ]

I also do not believe it'll go more than few years. Because we actually do live in unprecedented times. The only other time when the whole world was affected was during Noah's day. Note Agenda 2030 is a GLOBAL thing. How can we expect such a demonic system to last 20, 30, 40 years? Do those people know what they are planning?

Here I will give them a glimpse:
1. Interrogation techniques: Up until now, no amount of torture would penetrate your mind. They have technologies that can read your thoughts, and put them on a computer screen. You'd have to fight your mind not to reveal certain things.
2. Brain-Computer interface: They have the ability to hook you up to a computer chip. The ultimate vision for militaries is to hook each and every soldier up with a chip and communicate wirelessly.
3. Since the 70's it has been known how to manipulate your emotions, and even move your body. At this point it may be at a point where it's being done with no contact, meaning from a distance.

The above is complete and total subjugation of the human race, no different than a mechanical robot. There's nothing like it. That's why divine intervention becomes necessary. This kind of total subjugation and the suffering the said human being feels may reinforce Robert's point about how those that accepted the mark and be in the Beast system relates to Revelation's sting of accepting it. Because while they are aware of it, at the same time they lose autonomy of their body completely.

Look at Elon Musk's Neuralink program. That project pales in comparison to what militaries are capable of. Neuralink is the "fun" part of it.

Trouble is, the majority of people have no idea that everything is planned, they really do believe that everything is just organically evolving and that all the various "crises" and chaos are caused by "incompetent" so called leaders. Even in Jah's org we are not allowed to talk about Agenda 30 or indeed any other agendas, the GB have made sure of this, that's how I know they are infiltrators. And if you can't have these discussions inside Jah's org then what's the point in being a member of the congregation? It's impossible to be unified all the time the leaders have the kind of control they have now..

Stockholm syndrome exists, that's what they may be suffering from at this point. It's important we do not fall into this trap.

Jehovah is a "Happy" God it says.

The thing about all this super negative thing is that, the flipside exists, and we'll see it soon. Is Satan more evil than Jehovah is good? I think Jehovah is at least equally good as Satan is evil. Therefore, all the sadness, suffering, fear, this system makes us feel, the opposite must be true, maybe even to a greater extent. As I travelled to different countries I realized even within this single planet, single human race of imperfect beings, things can be unexpectedly different. Better places than the USA/Canada still do exist. If that "better" is even a tiny glimpse of the true good... then it'll be hard to imagine.

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

Is Satan more evil than Jehovah is good? I think Jehovah is at least equally good as Satan is evil.

I don't believe this at all.. I believe that Jehovah is infinitely more ANYTHING than anyone else, human or angel. I believe that when push comes to shove, that we only need to call out to Jehovah and he will intervene in our situation, even if it's "only" to deaden the pain of whatever it is that someone may be inflicting upon us. Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego are powerful examples we need to dwell on, and so too are recent experiences that have been related in the "year" books. Sadly, those books were "stopped" many years ago now, can't be doing with giving Jehovah's people too much encouragement eh?

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I don't believe this at all.. I believe that Jehovah is infinitely more ANYTHING than anyone else, human or angel. I believe that when push comes to shove, that we only need to call out to Jehovah and he will intervene in our situation, even if it's "only" to deaden the pain of whatever it is that someone may be inflicting upon us. Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego are powerful examples we need to dwell on, and so too are recent experiences that have been related in the "year" books. Sadly, those books were "stopped" many years ago now, can't be doing with giving Jehovah's people too much encouragement eh?

“Is Satan more evil than Jehovah is good.”

Evil, or imperfection is a condition not a quantity. Jehovah is perfect according to His own standards. Perfection means that an article fulfils the purpose for that which it is intended for. Anything less than that, is therefore not perfect. That can not be measured as it is a condition in which others may see perfection as some different quality. In this case, evil. The same maxim applies though in that it falls short of what was intended for it to fulfil primarily.

Jehovah is perfect in all that he does. The perfection he requires of us can be fulfilled, as it will be after the 1,000 years. This though does not mean that we will be as Jehovah is, but that we have merely fulfilled the standard required for perfection as a human being.

 

[DavidCJ]

Evil, or imperfection is a condition not a quantity. Jehovah is perfect according to His own standards.

I'm not sure if I can ever agree with this. There absolutely can be a level of evil. Is the level of "sin" or "crime" the same between murder and stealing? What about putting yourself in a condition where you had to defend yourself physically and ending up killing someone versus pre-planning and meticulous throught process to kill a certain someone?

Yes, in the end they all lead to death in God's eyes, but we certainly see and feel this difference no? Would you stay in North Korea over USA, ever? Aren't they both sinful countries with full of sinful people?

The fact that reality of God's punishment being at worst a simple death despite how horrific someone might have lived is to me true mercy and good on the part of God. Because if he had even a teeny bit of vindictiveness a human had, then there would be a degree of punishment different for different sinners. The natural vindictiveness with imperfect humans is why the concept of eternal torment is so attractive of a theology.

I thought and still think to myself that I'd rather be judged as undeserving of everlasting life or be judged by Jesus as a goat, over being judged by whatever hellscape Satan and his minions will do to you. Because the worst part of God's judgment is simply death and fading away into irrelevance, whereas the judgment by Satan's world is you suffering the worst pain imaginable as long as they can keep you alive while having absolutely nothing, dignity being first to be robbed.

@Proverbs 14 v 15 You missed the "at least" part. Actually for me if the "good" God has is merely equal to the absolutely terrifying and evil things of Satan, then I would be more than glad for it. In fact is it not Satan's goal to invert everything? So whatever Good that God can do for you he will try to make it as bad as possible?

 

[Proverbs 14 v 15]

You missed the "at least" part

Huh?

 

[Watchman]

As I mentioned in the latest podcast, one of the globalists was alarmed that if Trump is allowed to complete his second term, the globalists' agenda will not recover. The globalists have worked and schemed long and hard over the past 60-70 years to destroy the nation-state system. And now Trump is rolling it all back and inspiring a populist wave in Europe. London's proxy war against Russia using Ukraine is a lost cause. Russia has emerged stronger and more united.

It is inconceivable, though, that the British oligarchy will just throw in the towel. As Lavrov pointed out in an interview, 500 years of European dominance, headed by London, is coming to an end. It cannot continue in its present form. And he astutely points out that a wounded beast is very dangerous. It is an interesting analogy, since the Bible likens the crash of the present system to a wild beast that receives a mortal blow.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2097233320111161355

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I'm not sure if I can ever agree with this. There absolutely can be a level of evil. Is the level of "sin" or "crime" the same between murder and stealing? What about putting yourself in a condition where you had to defend yourself physically and ending up killing someone versus pre-planning and meticulous throught process to kill a certain someone?

Yes, in the end they all lead to death in God's eyes, but we certainly see and feel this difference no? Would you stay in North Korea over USA, ever? Aren't they both sinful countries with full of sinful people?

The fact that reality of God's punishment being at worst a simple death despite how horrific someone might have lived is to me true mercy and good on the part of God. Because if he had even a teeny bit of vindictiveness a human had, then there would be a degree of punishment different for different sinners. The natural vindictiveness with imperfect humans is why the concept of eternal torment is so attractive of a theology.

I thought and still think to myself that I'd rather be judged as undeserving of everlasting life or be judged by Jesus as a goat, over being judged by whatever hellscape Satan and his minions will do to you. Because the worst part of God's judgment is simply death and fading away into irrelevance, whereas the judgment by Satan's world is you suffering the worst pain imaginable as long as they can keep you alive while having absolutely nothing, dignity being first to be robbed.

@Proverbs 14 v 15 You missed the "at least" part. Actually for me if the "good" God has is merely equal to the absolutely terrifying and evil things of Satan, then I would be more than glad for it. In fact is it not Satan's goal to invert everything? So whatever Good that God can do for you he will try to make it as bad as possible?

“There absolutely can be a level of evil. Is the level of "sin" or "crime" the same between murder and stealing?”

Yes it is. Even argued at its base level. Taking a life, taking a loaf of bread is stealing. One could say both acts are depriving one of life - we need food to live. But I take your point - yet nonetheless, sin means to fall short of perfection. Thus suicide is considered a crime against one’s self.

Again, the Bible also points out your argument in that it lists the degrees or recompense for someone that steals. This is a deterrent against sin but in proportion to our imperfect state. But ultimately, murder has only one punishment, (or rather did), and which one trades the act with his own life. Yet the law allowed for accidental killing.

But these are all degrees of punishment to deal with an inherited disposition not of our own making. We can not help but sin, but we all die from sin. We are already dead, and born into death. That was not our fault either was it? We could go through life without sin (theoretically - no one has to date) and we will still die. If that is not a leveller, then what is?

To be fair, perhaps I could have worded my initial comment better, but what you are remarking upon is the severity of sin that requires forgiveness, but don’t forget, Jehovah has forgiven such heinous sins, as did Christ whom asked Jehovah to forgive his murderers. The original sin that brought death in the first place was a mere lie. So it is a principle that caused death because it was broken. Thus there are degrees within that, as you point out, but the greater principle remains the same. One will die regardless whether they steal a loaf or a life, or do nothing wrong at all - were that possible.

Having said all that, I do acknowledge your point - I should have been more explanatory. I was merely referring to the principle. I too find crime today something beyond reprehensible.