Chapter 13 - King of the North

kenmuldoon55

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"- Jesus christ, somebody just wake me up when this crap is over, already"
Calm down man! To quote Isaiah 30:15 your strength will come from calming down and in trusting confidence in our God.
For the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel has said this,“In returning [to Me] and rest you shall be saved,In quietness and confident trust is your strength.”But you were not willing,
 

Medi-tator

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Something I left out....after the conversation got heated about who started and who is winning the war in Ukraine...I got the look from husband...I left the conversation with...There is going to be a WW3 ... they both agreed that was a possibility and one even said...I think we are there now. Of course they think Russia could never win. It was so hard to be quiet!
Wow, so you experienced a resounding Matthew 10:18! "And you will be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them and the nations." Strong work Sister Melinda!!
 

Fallen

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Calm down man! To quote Isaiah 30:15 your strength will come from calming down and in trusting confidence in our God.
For the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel has said this,“In returning [to Me] and rest you shall be saved,In quietness and confident trust is your strength.”But you were not willing,
Thanks for the mental adjustment, Ken! It certainly is something that distressing when you contemplate the amount of death and calmity thats destined to befall the entire world. It will be nothing less than horrifying. But as you rightly pointed out, trusting in Jehovah is going to be key Even if some of us are to face death, trusting that our God will not leave us there. As one member pointed out....now is the time to focus on building and strengthening our relationship with God so we may be able to endure the dark days ahead. Thanks again, Ken!
 

SusanB

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I’m very appreciative of all the work that RK did in researching history and I thought his points on the Black Plague interesting in light of the vaccine damage that seems to continue affecting people’s health. This chapter contains a lot of historial references and thoughtfully ties them into the prophecies in Daniel both in debunking wrong interpretations and explaining some things in a logical sense.

There is still a lot that I don’t understand about the prophecies in the book of Daniel but it does say that it is sealed up until the time of the end. So, I would like to end my comments on this chapter by this quote from Daniel 11:40-43: “In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and horsemen and many ships; and he will enter into the lands and sweep through like a flood. He will also enter into the land of the Decoration, and many lands will be made to stumble. But these are the ones that will escape out of his hand: Eʹdom and Moʹab and the main part of the Amʹmon·ites. And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not escape. And he will rule over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Libʹy·ans and the E·thi·oʹpi·ans will be at his steps.”

The only things that I can seem to understand on this scripture is that this describes a conclusive clash and it is initiated by the King of the South. The King of the North responds with overwhelming force, like a flood of water and it includes the King of the North entering into the “land of Decoration”, which I think I’m understanding that is when “they” will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation and this means the end of the Watchtower. Is that correct? To paraphrase RK’s book, the tyrannical flood initiated by the king of the north sweeps through many lands, including God’s special property, which I am assuming is the anointed within the Watchtower Organization. This must also coincide with the Great Tribulation at least that is what I am thinking because that is when the wheat and weeds are separated.

The other mental notes that I made are that many lands stumble but they don’t necessarily fall. I have no idea who is referred to when it says that Edom, Moab and the main part of the Ammonites will escape. But Egypt(aka King of the South/United States) will not escape and I’m guessing that Egypt is just captured or dominated because the disgusting thing is put into place by both the King of the North and the King of the South.

Anyone else have clarification or comments or insight?
 

Watchman

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The kings of the North and South both "put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation" prior to the time of the end. That coincides with the fact that the Anglo-American duo sponsored the creation of the United Nations after WW2. It has been "put in place' as a placeholder for world government during the time of the end. That is when it will bring desolation.

Edom, Moab, and Ammon represent the main branches of Christendom = Catholicism, Protestantism, and Orthodoxy, for the reason that Edom, Ammon, and Moab were relatives of Abraham and brothers to the Hebrews, speaking the same variation of language, although enemies for the most part. Hence, Christendom will survive the desolation of Jehovah's Witnesses. Ouch!!!
 
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KevinB

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I’m very appreciative of all the work that RK did in researching history and I thought his points on the Black Plague interesting in light of the vaccine damage that seems to continue affecting people’s health. This chapter contains a lot of historial references and thoughtfully ties them into the prophecies in Daniel both in debunking wrong interpretations and explaining some things in a logical sense.

There is still a lot that I don’t understand about the prophecies in the book of Daniel but it does say that it is sealed up until the time of the end. So, I would like to end my comments on this chapter by this quote from Daniel 11:40-43: “In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and horsemen and many ships; and he will enter into the lands and sweep through like a flood. He will also enter into the land of the Decoration, and many lands will be made to stumble. But these are the ones that will escape out of his hand: Eʹdom and Moʹab and the main part of the Amʹmon·ites. And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not escape. And he will rule over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Libʹy·ans and the E·thi·oʹpi·ans will be at his steps.”

The only things that I can seem to understand on this scripture is that this describes a conclusive clash and it is initiated by the King of the South. The King of the North responds with overwhelming force, like a flood of water and it includes the King of the North entering into the “land of Decoration”, which I think I’m understanding that is when “they” will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation and this means the end of the Watchtower. Is that correct? To paraphrase RK’s book, the tyrannical flood initiated by the king of the north sweeps through many lands, including God’s special property, which I am assuming is the anointed within the Watchtower Organization. This must also coincide with the Great Tribulation at least that is what I am thinking because that is when the wheat and weeds are separated.

The other mental notes that I made are that many lands stumble but they don’t necessarily fall. I have no idea who is referred to when it says that Edom, Moab and the main part of the Ammonites will escape. But Egypt(aka King of the South/United States) will not escape and I’m guessing that Egypt is just captured or dominated because the disgusting thing is put into place by both the King of the North and the King of the South.

Anyone else have clarification or comments or insight?
The answer is much simpler than many suggest. Does Anglo America breathe life into the UN? If so the argument should end there. What country or nation will top that?
 

evw

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The kings of the North and South both "put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation" prior to the time of the end. That coincides with the fact that the Anglo-American duo sponsored the creation of the United Nations after WW2. It has been "put in place' as a placeholder for world government during the time of the end. That is when it will bring desolation.

Edom, Moab, and Ammon represent the main branches of Christendom = Catholicism, Protestantism, and Orthodoxy, for the reason that Edom, Ammon, and Moab were relatives of Abraham and brothers to the Hebrews, speaking the same variation of language, although enemies for the most part. Hence, Christendom will survive the desolation of Jehovah's Witnesses. Ouch!!!
Do I understand it correctly now?
As the "thing that brings destruction" (is the UN as 8th King for 3.5 years, yes?) the WT is destroyed, but Christendom spared? Then Jesus' reign and the great tribulation begin at the same time? But when will Babylon the Great then be destroyed?
Ohh help, it turns circles in my head whitout landing in it's proper place; 1681187568213.png
 

SusanB

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Do I understand it correctly now?
As the "thing that brings destruction" (is the UN as 8th King for 3.5 years, yes?) the WT is destroyed, but Christendom spared? Then Jesus' reign and the great tribulation begin at the same time? But when will Babylon the Great then be destroyed?
Ohh help, it turns circles in my head whitout landing in it's proper place; View attachment 3679
I think you’re correct.
 
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Paul resiliente

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¿Lo entiendo bien ahora?
Como la "cosa que trae destrucción" (¿es la ONU como el 8º Rey durante 3,5 años, sí?) ¿La WT es destruida, pero la cristiandad se salva? ¿Entonces el reinado de Jesús y la gran tribulación comienzan al mismo tiempo? Pero, ¿cuándo será entonces destruida Babilonia la Grande?
Ohh ayuda, da vueltas en mi cabeza sin aterrizar en el lugar correcto;View attachment 3679
Of course, the beginning of the great tribulation on earth is the result of Christ starting his kingdom in heaven and driving out the devil and demons from there. That is why such chaos on earth with demonic madness producing a tribulation "As one has not happened since the beginning of the world"... This crisis gives the opportunity to the satanic elite together with Satan himself to impose the world government of the beast which will have the direct authority of the dragon. The trick that the elite have always used: PROBLEM - REACTION - SOLUTION. Christendom/elite will ride the 8th king or beast in its rise to world power, but at a certain point it gets tired of being a vassal government of this elite that has "A kingdom over the Kings of the earth" (That's why it is riding the beast) and turn against it and destroy it, in fact John himself says that the "10 horns" of the beast "have a common idea in giving their authority to the beast" so that it eliminates the harlot that is riding them. Now with the harlot eliminated from the scene, the beast or 8th king remains together with the false prophet to fight against the lamb.
 

evw

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Of course, the beginning of the great tribulation on earth is the result of Christ starting his kingdom in heaven and driving out the devil and demons from there.
Whoa, wait a minute, I think I lost a bit again? So you want to say that Jesus already reigns; Satan and his demons have been cast out of heaven and the great tribulation has already begun????????

8th king remains together with the false prophet to fight against the lamb.
and who then is that false prophet? and when will the WT be stopped?

1681196329313.png I'm not kidding; I just don't seem to get it 1681196375315.png with the use of the only 1% (or was it 10%) of my peanut brain
 

Ms_ladyblue

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If you want to know how Anglo war propaganda works check out this video below. Putin is being charged as a war criminal for taking children out of the war zone and teaching them classical music. If there was any doubt that the king of the north has disregarded the old gods, this might help.

There was no doubt in my mind that the “king of the north has disregarded the old gods.” This just reaffirms it more than a hundredfold.
First of all the MSM reports that Putin is being charged as a war criminal for taking children OUT OF A WAR ZONE?
Since when has there been anything wrong with that? Then why not ask the question, what was being done to them in these camps? Then a good reporter would actually go there to report what is happening right?

These are certainly crazy times we’re living in and MSM has been pretty successful using their sickening propaganda to fool the masses.
I know it’s all part of Bible prophecy but after watching this I couldn‘t help but rant.
This helps one to understand how Lot felt back during the time before Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed.

2 Peter 2:6-8
“And by reducing the cities of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah to ashes, he condemned them, setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come. 7 And he rescued righteous Lot, who was greatly distressed by the brazen conduct of the lawless people— 8 for day after day that righteous man was tormenting his righteous soul over the lawless deeds that he saw and heard while dwelling among them.”


Thanks for sharing this true report Watchman.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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When the conversation started to get heated...I backed off cause you can't reason with stupid. Soldiers are taught not to think for themselves do what your told because second guessing orders could cost you your life.
Hmm 🤔 pretty much sounds like the way the organization is run…you’re taught not to think and don’t you dare question…or else.
 
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