Chapter 14 - Downfall of America

[DavidCJ]

”The 20th century was called the American Century for good reason. It is as if all nations have lived under the shadow cast by the antitypical Egyptian cedar. Because of empowering and educating the common man and tapping into that vast reservoir of human creativity the American system has unleashed the greater human potential and brought about astounding discoveries and inventions that have benefited all of mankind. By elevating its citizens from the level of serfs and attracting ambitious and brilliant emigrants from around the globe, by fostering development, research, and an entrepreneurial spirit and by building an extensive infrastructure, the American system has developed into the most successful and prosperous economic system ever devised.

@Watchman

What are your thoughts on some beliefs that take the verse "nothing is new under heaven" and saying that advanced technologies have existed before and things like cell phones have been found?

I call it nonsense, but would be interesting to hear your opinions.

Brazil calls for 'move away' from dollar

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said developing nations must move away from the US dollar in favor of their own currencies

www.rt.com

Look at that. Russian news agency dropping truths.

 

[MickHewitt]

Did you ever hear it explained this way from the Watchtower Society?

No; you're right. The Watchtower has kept everyone on a starvation diet. That's why their bones must be drying out. The water they are drinking has turned bitter! What's contained in RK's book is a welcome continuation from the breast as it were; They have been on milk so long our host's book is a maturation of understanding Isa 28:9 "To whom will one impart knowledge, explain the message? 'To those just weaned from milk"...

 

[MickHewitt]

I just want to quote RK’s book on this matter because it is so striking that in our lifetimes we are seeing both the greatness of the US and now we are seeing the beginnings of the downfall.

”The 20th century was called the American Century for good reason. It is as if all nations have lived under the shadow cast by the antitypical Egyptian cedar. Because of empowering and educating the common man and tapping into that vast reservoir of human creativity the American system has unleashed the greater human potential and brought about astounding discoveries and inventions that have benefited all of mankind. By elevating its citizens from the level of serfs and attracting ambitious and brilliant emigrants from around the globe, by fostering development, research, and an entrepreneurial spirit and by building an extensive infrastructure, the American system has developed into the most successful and prosperous economic system ever devised.

Apparently that is what is meant by the water source that feeds the Egyptian cedar—waters being a biblical symbol for peoples and nations, hence: ‘Waters were what made it get big; the watery deep caused it to grow high.’”

and then,

“‘TYRANTS OF THE NATIONS WILL CUT IT DOWN’

It is a fitting illustration, then, that the various trees in Eden should logically symbolize all the nations on earth up until the time Jehovah himself becomes king; whereas Egypt represents the leading nation—as if the grandest tree in the entire garden of God’s planting. However, when Jehovah’s work nears completion the nations are to be cut down—felled just like timber—beginning with the grandest tree in Eden! Ezekiel 31:10-13 foretells: “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Because it became so tall, lifting its top among the clouds, and its heart became arrogant because of its height, I will hand it over to the mighty ruler of the nations. He will surely act against it, and I will reject it for its wickedness. And foreigners, the most ruthless of the nations, will cut it down, and they will abandon it on the mountains, and its foliage will fall in all the valleys, and its branches will lie broken in all the streams of the land. All the peoples of the earth will depart from its shade and abandon it. All the birds of the sky will live on its fallen trunk, and all the wild animals of the field on its branches.”

The prophecy goes on to state that although the greatest tree goes down first, all the national trees are destined for “the land down below”— Sheol, the pit of death: ‘This is so that no tree near the waters should grow so tall or lift up its top among the clouds and that no well-watered tree may reach up to them in height. For they will all be given over to death, to the land down below, along with the sons of mankind, who are going down into the pit.‘“

I am an avid listener to Harley Schlanger of the LaRouche org. How enobled we feel in knowing that no matter how much they go on about the need for return of 'Glass Steagal'....Isa 19: says vs 2- "I will encite Egyptian against Egyptian, brother against neighbour..city against city..the spirit within them will become bewildered...I will confuse it's plans..........like rest of us here; going with God's word on the future!

I just want to quote RK’s book on this matter because it is so striking that in our lifetimes we are seeing both the greatness of the US and now we are seeing the beginnings of the downfall.

”The 20th century was called the American Century for good reason. It is as if all nations have lived under the shadow cast by the antitypical Egyptian cedar. Because of empowering and educating the common man and tapping into that vast reservoir of human creativity the American system has unleashed the greater human potential and brought about astounding discoveries and inventions that have benefited all of mankind. By elevating its citizens from the level of serfs and attracting ambitious and brilliant emigrants from around the globe, by fostering development, research, and an entrepreneurial spirit and by building an extensive infrastructure, the American system has developed into the most successful and prosperous economic system ever devised.

Apparently that is what is meant by the water source that feeds the Egyptian cedar—waters being a biblical symbol for peoples and nations, hence: ‘Waters were what made it get big; the watery deep caused it to grow high.’”

and then,

“‘TYRANTS OF THE NATIONS WILL CUT IT DOWN’

It is a fitting illustration, then, that the various trees in Eden should logically symbolize all the nations on earth up until the time Jehovah himself becomes king; whereas Egypt represents the leading nation—as if the grandest tree in the entire garden of God’s planting. However, when Jehovah’s work nears completion the nations are to be cut down—felled just like timber—beginning with the grandest tree in Eden! Ezekiel 31:10-13 foretells: “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Because it became so tall, lifting its top among the clouds, and its heart became arrogant because of its height, I will hand it over to the mighty ruler of the nations. He will surely act against it, and I will reject it for its wickedness. And foreigners, the most ruthless of the nations, will cut it down, and they will abandon it on the mountains, and its foliage will fall in all the valleys, and its branches will lie broken in all the streams of the land. All the peoples of the earth will depart from its shade and abandon it. All the birds of the sky will live on its fallen trunk, and all the wild animals of the field on its branches.”

The prophecy goes on to state that although the greatest tree goes down first, all the national trees are destined for “the land down below”— Sheol, the pit of death: ‘This is so that no tree near the waters should grow so tall or lift up its top among the clouds and that no well-watered tree may reach up to them in height. For they will all be given over to death, to the land down below, along with the sons of mankind, who are going down into the pit.‘“

And now we have the identity of Egypt when we look at Isaiah chapter 19 verse 2 onwards elaborates 'Egyptian against Egyptian neighbour against brother city against city'. Here in the U.K it's the same incitement to civil disruption.

 

[MickHewitt]

I just want to quote RK’s book on this matter because it is so striking that in our lifetimes we are seeing both the greatness of the US and now we are seeing the beginnings of the downfall.

”The 20th century was called the American Century for good reason. It is as if all nations have lived under the shadow cast by the antitypical Egyptian cedar. Because of empowering and educating the common man and tapping into that vast reservoir of human creativity the American system has unleashed the greater human potential and brought about astounding discoveries and inventions that have benefited all of mankind. By elevating its citizens from the level of serfs and attracting ambitious and brilliant emigrants from around the globe, by fostering development, research, and an entrepreneurial spirit and by building an extensive infrastructure, the American system has developed into the most successful and prosperous economic system ever devised.

Apparently that is what is meant by the water source that feeds the Egyptian cedar—waters being a biblical symbol for peoples and nations, hence: ‘Waters were what made it get big; the watery deep caused it to grow high.’”

and then,

“‘TYRANTS OF THE NATIONS WILL CUT IT DOWN’

It is a fitting illustration, then, that the various trees in Eden should logically symbolize all the nations on earth up until the time Jehovah himself becomes king; whereas Egypt represents the leading nation—as if the grandest tree in the entire garden of God’s planting. However, when Jehovah’s work nears completion the nations are to be cut down—felled just like timber—beginning with the grandest tree in Eden! Ezekiel 31:10-13 foretells: “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Because it became so tall, lifting its top among the clouds, and its heart became arrogant because of its height, I will hand it over to the mighty ruler of the nations. He will surely act against it, and I will reject it for its wickedness. And foreigners, the most ruthless of the nations, will cut it down, and they will abandon it on the mountains, and its foliage will fall in all the valleys, and its branches will lie broken in all the streams of the land. All the peoples of the earth will depart from its shade and abandon it. All the birds of the sky will live on its fallen trunk, and all the wild animals of the field on its branches.”

The prophecy goes on to state that although the greatest tree goes down first, all the national trees are destined for “the land down below”— Sheol, the pit of death: ‘This is so that no tree near the waters should grow so tall or lift up its top among the clouds and that no well-watered tree may reach up to them in height. For they will all be given over to death, to the land down below, along with the sons of mankind, who are going down into the pit.‘“

I am most grateful for the break-away from the literal. I, and suspect most of us interpreted the Word in a literal way? After assimilating the revealed symbolism portrayed in 'Jehovah Himself has become King'...most useful in determining the KOTN, Daughter of Jerusalem, Man of Lawlessness and especially unravelling the delusionary deeply entrenched lie of 1914. It has given me a wider eye to deciphering the mystery of God!

 

[BagdadBill]

I am American as most of you know. Not just American. Men of my family fought in more than four wars for the warmongers who run this scam of a nation. My brother in Vietnam, my father in Korea and all of my uncles in WW2, then my grandfather in WW1 and even the Civil War I have a relative who was involved and I'd rather not say which side.
I was a convert and by that time I was ready and had to learn to give up my patriotism piece at a time. Even now I feel like I'm bleeding to death because America was more than just a nation to my family. We believed in the principles that our government told us we were bringing to others, only to find out that we were shoving it down their throat whether they wanted it or not.
It isn't the bile that crops up in the back of my throat that bothers me. What gets to me is the number of people who are still pretending and worse yet, those who mock me in comment sections in news articles with their lack of love for basic freedom. People who live free for now but don't realize that very soon even that liberty to speak their mind will be taken.
I don't worry about it much because I figure that I will be dead. Murdered by my own government, likely, and that's fine by me. I open doors for ladies and slow down in school zones, without a sign. I make Mexican transplants feel welcome in our midst because that's who we are. God doesn't recognize borders.
I am American and I believed the line of crap that I was fed from the 1st grade. Then one day I met Jehovah's Witnesses and I realized that I am not American. I am human and this is my planet. It belongs to me, and you too. Those who would rip the souls from our planet will be executed by the most HIGH power that ever existed and even though I may not live to see it, He has given me an understanding of it which as good as seeing it on Youtube.
I write these things now and then because I don't know the day on which they will enact their insanity. It sure feels close. When I can no longer type to you on here who are all my friends, all of you, I will miss that. Study my face. You will see my face again. Maybe it won't be me but it will be a representation. Maybe a child you save out of the ashes of what is left of America.
I am proud to have at least tried to make a better society from the turds that the wealthy have allowed us to have.
The time has come for them to hide in the rocks in the mountains. That was not a symbolic scripture. That was literal. In hiding they will go.
Let them hide. I will in fact be that guy on the corner with sign, "the end is near". If you see me standing there, a sandwich would be nice. Don't forget our God who took care of his prophets in his own way so that nobody could ever claim nor steal his claim of feeding his people.
There is no other God. They argue and fight me in every way they can think of but there is only one true God and he is the reason you keep searching scripture daily.
Jehovah is my God whether I have a good day or bad. Let my God enlighten you if you happened upon this site and found yourself reading my drivel. I am nothing more than your servant. This is my white privilege to give the message of Jesus Christ who is the son of Jehovah my God to you. It is free. God's message and warning is free. I will drive or walk any number of miles if you desire a bible study to learn the word of God. Anyone who reads this message who desires to understand the deep things of God and learn about salvation from our Lord Jesus I will do so. I am in West Tennessee but can travel to those seeking out our God.
The very words of my God are free and available to anyone who would wish to know.

 

[MickHewitt]

I am an avid listener to Harley Schlanger of the LaRouche org.

P.s Harley is now promoting his source of enlightenment, a subscription to EIR for $25 also his site now solicits our time for money using inane advertising. I see no equitable return for such an investment! Though I congratulate him on his secular perspicacity!

 

[SusanB]

We are all looking for the proclamation of peace and security and just when you think that politics cannot get any more absurd, the nuttiness continues to reach new heights. Then you throw into the mix that Robert Kennedy Jr is now running for President. It could get very interesting. I have to say that I believe the current political and financial situation is too far gone for any human to bring it back from the so-called brink. It is as though a poison pill has been put into place. I am just speculating but “what if” Kennedy gets traction and wins the Presidency. His Uncle’s Presidency was referred to as Kennedy’s “Camelot”. Could that be the peace and security, that people think they have saved the US aka Egypt but in reality it will still just crash and when it does it takes down the entire financial system? Here is a quote from Chapter 14 that again shows true insight:

”Obviously, this situation did not just happen overnight. It is the result of gross mismanagement and corruption over many years. Accordingly, at Isaiah 19:11-13, Jehovah ridicules Pharaoh’s counselors for their incompetence, saying in verse 13: “The princes of Zoan are foolish. The wisest advisers of Pharaoh give unreasonable advice. Where, then, are your wise men? Let them tell you if they know what Jehovah of armies has decided concerning Egypt. The princes of Zoan have acted foolishly; the princes of Noph have been deceived; the chiefs of her tribes have led Egypt astray.”

With amazing acumen, the prophecy describes the present political situation within the United States. The princes of Noph and Zoan may well represent the cabinet members and other advisers of the modern-day Pharaoh. “The chiefs of her tribes” appropriately depict the elected representatives of the American people. Foolishly, the very leaders have allowed themselves to be deceived into adopting policies and initiatives that are intended to destroy their own nation!

The doom of the United States is virtually sealed by corrupt, cowardly and inept politicians, who simply cannot bring themselves to legislate against or regulate the financial predators who are bringing the nation to ruin and who are now demanding to be paid for their work! No wonder Jehovah derides the nation’s leaders as mere deluded fools!

Many American patriots have voiced their concern that their once-prosperous nation is being run into the ground, but in spite of all the talk by a few well-meaning political leaders and businessmen, the downward spiral relentlessly continues. How true, the prophet’s following words: “Jehovah has poured out on her a spirit of confusion; and they have led Egypt astray in whatever she does, like a drunk staggering in his vomit. And Egypt will not have any work to do, whether for the head or the tail, the shoot or the rush.”

It matters little which political party is in control, no modern-day Egyptian leader can lead their doomed nation back from the precipice of catastrophe. Jehovah has, in effect, weighed the nation in the balance and found it wanting.”

 

[kenmuldoon55]

I am American as most of you know. Not just American. Men of my family fought in more than four wars for the warmongers who run this scam of a nation. My brother in Vietnam, my father in Korea and all of my uncles in WW2, then my grandfather in WW1 and even the Civil War I have a relative who was involved and I'd rather not say which side.
I was a convert and by that time I was ready and had to learn to give up my patriotism piece at a time. Even now I feel like I'm bleeding to death because America was more than just a nation to my family. We believed in the principles that our government told us we were bringing to others, only to find out that we were shoving it down their throat whether they wanted it or not.
It isn't the bile that crops up in the back of my throat that bothers me. What gets to me is the number of people who are still pretending and worse yet, those who mock me in comment sections in news articles with their lack of love for basic freedom. People who live free for now but don't realize that very soon even that liberty to speak their mind will be taken.
I don't worry about it much because I figure that I will be dead. Murdered by my own government, likely, and that's fine by me. I open doors for ladies and slow down in school zones, without a sign. I make Mexican transplants feel welcome in our midst because that's who we are. God doesn't recognize borders.
I am American and I believed the line of crap that I was fed from the 1st grade. Then one day I met Jehovah's Witnesses and I realized that I am not American. I am human and this is my planet. It belongs to me, and you too. Those who would rip the souls from our planet will be executed by the most HIGH power that ever existed and even though I may not live to see it, He has given me an understanding of it which as good as seeing it on Youtube.
I write these things now and then because I don't know the day on which they will enact their insanity. It sure feels close. When I can no longer type to you on here who are all my friends, all of you, I will miss that. Study my face. You will see my face again. Maybe it won't be me but it will be a representation. Maybe a child you save out of the ashes of what is left of America.
I am proud to have at least tried to make a better society from the turds that the wealthy have allowed us to have.
The time has come for them to hide in the rocks in the mountains. That was not a symbolic scripture. That was literal. In hiding they will go.
Let them hide. I will in fact be that guy on the corner with sign, "the end is near". If you see me standing there, a sandwich would be nice. Don't forget our God who took care of his prophets in his own way so that nobody could ever claim nor steal his claim of feeding his people.
There is no other God. They argue and fight me in every way they can think of but there is only one true God and he is the reason you keep searching scripture daily.
Jehovah is my God whether I have a good day or bad. Let my God enlighten you if you happened upon this site and found yourself reading my drivel. I am nothing more than your servant. This is my white privilege to give the message of Jesus Christ who is the son of Jehovah my God to you. It is free. God's message and warning is free. I will drive or walk any number of miles if you desire a bible study to learn the word of God. Anyone who reads this message who desires to understand the deep things of God and learn about salvation from our Lord Jesus I will do so. I am in West Tennessee but can travel to those seeking out our God.
The very words of my God are free and available to anyone who would wish to know.

(Special message to Transsexual, Transgender, or other gay related people) : you weren't born that way and you don't have to stay that way. My God is powerful and real and He can resolve any issue or problem you are having in life. If you are struggling with understanding your place in this world, my God will provide you with an understanding and a way out of the misery you have felt. If you are reading this. life is not an endgame and it is not so bad that we don't have a way out. We are given a savior.
Jesus is my Lord and the son of God and I swear by my testimony.

Very inspiring to read your zealous post.
Thanks.

 

[The God Pill]

God recognizes borders he sets them.

When He set a boundary for the sea So that the water would not violate His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth;

He alotted a third of earth to each of Noah's sons and Noah and his family established a curse on anyone messing around with the established hereditary territories (Canaan and Madai were the first two to violate) this is further subdivided by the table of nations to seventy or so herditary territories.

In ancient Israel there was hereditary land ownership and that is reaffirmed as an element of the new system when Daniel is promised his lot of land when the ressurection occurs.

The Chaldean destroyer of nations is criticized for eliminating the boundaries of peoples. What is neo babel globalism if not removing boundaries homogenizing mankind under tyranny.

 

[Jahrule]

I listed to the audio version on my way here to Virginia. This is how far I made it into the book. I'll be almost done by the time I get to my destination.

 

[BagdadBill]

God recognizes borders he sets them.

When He set a boundary for the sea So that the water would not violate His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth;

He alotted a third of earth to each of Noah's sons and Noah and his family established a curse on anyone messing around with the established hereditary territories (Canaan and Madai were the first two to violate) this is further subdivided by the table of nations to seventy or so herditary territories.

In ancient Israel there was hereditary land ownership and that is reaffirmed as an element of the new system when Daniel is promised his lot of land when the ressurection occurs.

The Chaldean destroyer of nations is criticized for eliminating the boundaries of peoples. What is neo babel globalism if not removing boundaries homogenizing mankind under tyranny.

That was pretty awseome.

 

[BagdadBill]

Very inspiring to read your zealous post.
Thanks.

I must have been on something. Sorry guys. I won't delete this time though.

 

[LuisMerino9412]

It is difficult to believe in the fall of America. It was unthinkable post war. Britain wanted America to go with it to crush Russia. It seems though that America was doomed from the moment it laid down its constitution. The first and only time that a nation has empowered itself by giving freedom to the people. England tried it in June 1215 but only went so far as to politely suggest that the king and government were not above the law. We still allowed the king to rule. We were a little more successful when in 1649 we got rid of the monarchy altogether, but then put it back in 1660. Yet Britain has withstood a thousand years, while America has come up in just over 250 years and is set to take the whole world down with it. That is prophesy for you! It is there for a reason.

Now it's not that difficult to believe it. I see that closer and closer. Sadly, its disintegration has already started. The US is not what it used to be. It is like a house full of termites. With everyday that goes by, it is consumed and destroyed more and more until it finally crashes down.

 

[Watchman]

Now it's not that difficult to believe it. I see that closer and closer. Sadly, its disintegration has already started. The US is not what it used to be. It is like a house full of termites. With everyday that goes by, it is consumed and destroyed more and more until it finally crashes down.

Yeah, fake news has played a key role in keeping the population stupified and degraded and setting them against each other and themselves. But here, at last, CNN apologizes for a grievous error.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

God recognizes borders he sets them.

When He set a boundary for the sea So that the water would not violate His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth;

He alotted a third of earth to each of Noah's sons and Noah and his family established a curse on anyone messing around with the established hereditary territories (Canaan and Madai were the first two to violate) this is further subdivided by the table of nations to seventy or so herditary territories.

In ancient Israel there was hereditary land ownership and that is reaffirmed as an element of the new system when Daniel is promised his lot of land when the ressurection occurs.

The Chaldean destroyer of nations is criticized for eliminating the boundaries of peoples. What is neo babel globalism if not removing boundaries homogenizing mankind under tyranny.

I wonder which of his sons ended up with the American continent? It is amazing how America was left just about fallow for all but the last 500 years or so of history, and even then, its ruination has only come about in the last 150 years. I was fortunate enough to drive across America years ago in one of those Winnebago things and Yellowstone was something beyond comparison, whereas the Los Angeles freeway really is the highway to hell as so well rendered into song by Mr. Meat Loaf.