Chapter 7 - The Tempest

SusanB

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Here is the link to the full chapter for reading and for audio: https://jehovah-is-king.com/tempest/

Even in the news of the world, people without any religious inclination are sounding the alarm that the financial system is very fragile. The US debt clock shows the US debt at nearly $32 Trillion. That cannot possibly be sustained in this country and we are the most prosperous country. This morning I saw a news article stating that real estate prices in large US cities are likely to return to the pricing of 2008 when we had the cascading crash of the stock market. Now that most people don’t have farms to fall back on, it won’t take long for people to get desperate. Here are 2 paragraphs from Chapter 7 of Robert King’s book:

But collapse, it seems, is inevitable. That is because it is a physical impossibility that the trillions upon trillions of dollars of debt and fictitious financial claims called derivatives can ever be satisfied. The present global financial system is usurious, non- productive, speculative and predatory by design. The gargantuan, must-expand-or- implode credit bubble, is rapidly reaching the end of its ability to extract any more blood from its depleted host. What is likely to happen then?
Simply put, the stage is set for an unimaginable catastrophe; namely, the collapse of the U.S. Dollar-based financial system. And because globalization has developed to the extent that it has, with the U.S. Dollar functioning as the world’s reserve currency, no nation can insulate itself from the calamity that will engulf the Anglo-American system.
 
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MickHewitt

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Even in the news of the world, people without any religious inclination are sounding the alarm that the financial system is very fragile. The US debt clock shows the US debt at nearly $32 Trillion. That cannot possibly be sustained in this country and we are the most prosperous country. This morning I saw a news article stating that real estate prices in large US cities are likely to return to the pricing of 2008 when we had the cascading crash of the stock market. Now that most people don’t have farms to fall back on, it won’t take long for people to get desperate. Here are 2 paragraph’s from Chapter 7 of Robert King’s book:

But collapse, it seems, is inevitable. That is because it is a physical impossibility that the trillions upon trillions of dollars of debt and fictitious financial claims called derivatives can ever be satisfied. The present global financial system is usurious, non- productive, speculative and predatory by design. The gargantuan, must-expand-or- implode credit bubble, is rapidly reaching the end of its ability to extract any more blood from its depleted host. What is likely to happen then?
Simply put, the stage is set for an unimaginable catastrophe; namely, the collapse of the U.S. Dollar-based financial system. And because globalization has developed to the extent that it has, with the U.S. Dollar functioning as the world’s reserve currency, no nation can insulate itself from the calamity that will engulf the Anglo-American system.
This chapter really does harmonise with today's reality! Thanks for your encouragement. "But now the majority of earth’s 6.7 billion souls live in cities and hundreds of millions of people around the world even live in sprawling mega-cities and are dependent upon the continual function of an increasingly complex but fragile labyrinthal system;".....This part of the chapter shows how the Malthusian operation of depopulation has made the populace existentially dependant!
 
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David Peter

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I forgot to post the links to the chapter both for reading and for audio.

Here:

a really great chapter , thanks Driven , at the bottom of the chapter it says- ( share this chapter ) I tried to share it to Facebook but it does not work, I have also tried with other chapters, maybe Robert knows about it i don't know, but it would be great if you could share it.
 

SusanB

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Brother Robert King wrote the quote below, which is exactly the pattern that Jehovah has established in his word. He allows the plans and plots of the wicked to be turned on their own head. One example of that is the end result of Haman’s plots against Mordecai and the Jews. As we all know, it was Haman who received the outcome that he had plotted against Mordecai. And that makes this explanation really hit home.

Although having been in expectation of it for a long time, Jehovah’s Witnesses are, nonetheless, laboring under the illusion that the great tempest of Jehovah emanates directly from heaven and will be manifest as an awesome display of divine power. While it is true that Christ will ultimately make his presence known in a supernatural manifestation during the actual war of Armageddon, that is not what the storm of Jehovah is, at least not the initial phase of it.

According to the word of God, the storm originates from within the nations themselves. Jehovah merely allows it to occur and uses it to accomplish his judgments. That is apparent from the 25th chapter of Jeremiah, which reads: “A noise will certainly come clear to the farthest part of the earth, for there is a controversy that Jehovah has with the nations. He must personally put himself in judgment with all flesh. As regards the wicked ones, he must give them to the sword,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘Look! A calamity is going forth from nation to nation, and a great tempest itself will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth.’”
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Brother Robert King wrote the quote below, which is exactly the pattern that Jehovah has established in his word. He allows the plans and plots of the wicked to be turned on their own head. One example of that is the end result of Haman’s plots against Mordecai and the Jews. As we all know, it was Haman who received the outcome that he had plotted against Mordecai. And that makes this explanation really hit home.

Although having been in expectation of it for a long time, Jehovah’s Witnesses are, nonetheless, laboring under the illusion that the great tempest of Jehovah emanates directly from heaven and will be manifest as an awesome display of divine power. While it is true that Christ will ultimately make his presence known in a supernatural manifestation during the actual war of Armageddon, that is not what the storm of Jehovah is, at least not the initial phase of it.

According to the word of God, the storm originates from within the nations themselves. Jehovah merely allows it to occur and uses it to accomplish his judgments. That is apparent from the 25th chapter of Jeremiah, which reads: “A noise will certainly come clear to the farthest part of the earth, for there is a controversy that Jehovah has with the nations. He must personally put himself in judgment with all flesh. As regards the wicked ones, he must give them to the sword,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘Look! A calamity is going forth from nation to nation, and a great tempest itself will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth.’”
That quote of Robert‘s is exactly as it was. I remember it like the back of my hand. I was under the same impression all those years ago in that Armageddon would be a side show that we would observe going on around us as though from some safe place of observation. Having been a victim of the blindness, the truth about it all makes so much sense and to have faith in - not to survive necessarily, but to know what it is and why we can let go confidently if that is demanded of us. The length of time it goes on for was a bit of a shock, but I hope to see the beginning of it if not the end, and if I do see the beginning, I hope also by Jehovah’s mercy to see the end of it. I feel quite strongly that the more we commit ourselves to faith before the tribulation, perhaps it may not have to be tested too firmly during such, because our mind is already be made over. Jehovah reads the hearts rather than actions.
 

kenmuldoon55

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Even in the news of the world, people without any religious inclination are sounding the alarm that the financial system is very fragile. The US debt clock shows the US debt at nearly $32 Trillion. That cannot possibly be sustained in this country and we are the most prosperous country. This morning I saw a news article stating that real estate prices in large US cities are likely to return to the pricing of 2008 when we had the cascading crash of the stock market. Now that most people don’t have farms to fall back on, it won’t take long for people to get desperate. Here are 2 paragraphs from Chapter 7 of Robert King’s book:

But collapse, it seems, is inevitable. That is because it is a physical impossibility that the trillions upon trillions of dollars of debt and fictitious financial claims called derivatives can ever be satisfied. The present global financial system is usurious, non- productive, speculative and predatory by design. The gargantuan, must-expand-or- implode credit bubble, is rapidly reaching the end of its ability to extract any more blood from its depleted host. What is likely to happen then?
Simply put, the stage is set for an unimaginable catastrophe; namely, the collapse of the U.S. Dollar-based financial system. And because globalization has developed to the extent that it has, with the U.S. Dollar functioning as the world’s reserve currency, no nation can insulate itself from the calamity that will engulf the Anglo-American system.
And now that the Saudis are going to sell their oil in non American “petro dollar” currencies, the stage is set for the death of the dollar.
The one thing that kept America a hegemon on the world stage for decades.
With tens of trillions of dollars getting offloaded by other countries back into Americas economy, inflation is going to go Weimar republic and destroy the average American family.
 

SusanB

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I really LOVE discovering bible versus that intertwine, support, explain each other and here is a whopper (at least in my opinion)! The flood of persecution described at Revelation 12:15-16 is the same event described as a thunderous storm of powerful flooding waters at Isaiah 28:2.

Revelation 12:15-16: “And the serpent spewed out water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river. But the earth came to the woman’s help, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon spewed out from its mouth.”

Isaiah 28:2: “Look! Jehovah has someone strong and mighty. Like a thundering hailstorm, a destructive windstorm, Like a thunderstorm of powerful floodwaters, He will forcefully hurl it down to the earth.”


Here is an intro quote from Chapter 7 but you will need to read the chapter to get “conclusive proof”:

“‘At Isaiah 28:2, God has issued a global storm warning in the form of an edict against his nation/congregation, saying: “Look! Jehovah has someone strong and mighty. Like a thundering hailstorm, a destructive windstorm, like a thunderstorm of powerful floodwaters, He will forcefully hurl it down to the earth.’

‘Someone strong and mighty‘ is in reference to the earthly agency that God will use to bring about his judgments. That the “thundering hailstorm” will cast down that which belongs to Jehovah is evident from the fact that a faithful remnant of “his people” will not be swept away in the flooding downpour of Jehovah’s denunciation. But not only will the faithful survive the denunciatory deluge, verses 5-6 foretell that Jehovah will distinguish them during the heat of battle. Those hope-inspiring verses read: “In that day Jehovah of armies will become a glorious crown and a beautiful garland to those left of his people. And he will become a spirit of justice to the one who sits in judgment and a source of mightiness to those who repel the attack at the gate.”

The expression “those left of his people” may also be expressed as ‘the remnant of his people.’ “The remnant”v is a biblical expression frequently used by Jehovah’s Witnesses in reference to the anointed— the expression being a holdover from the language of the King James Bible. Most noteworthy, though, is the similarity of this portion of the prophecy of Isaiah with the 12th chapter of Revelation. Specifically, the “flood” of persecution disgorged by the symbolic satanic dragon directed at the woman of the covenant is precisely the same event as is portrayed by the thunderous storm of powerful, flooding waters. How might that be conclusively determined?”
 

Watchman

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I really LOVE discovering bible versus that intertwine, support, explain each other and here is a whopper (at least in my opinion)! The flood of persecution described at Revelation 12:15-16 is the same event described as a thunderous storm of powerful flooding waters at Isaiah 28:2.

Revelation 12:15-16: “And the serpent spewed out water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river. But the earth came to the woman’s help, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon spewed out from its mouth.”

Isaiah 28:2: “Look! Jehovah has someone strong and mighty. Like a thundering hailstorm, a destructive windstorm, Like a thunderstorm of powerful floodwaters, He will forcefully hurl it down to the earth.”


Here is an intro quote from Chapter 7 but you will need to read the chapter to get “conclusive proof”:

“‘At Isaiah 28:2, God has issued a global storm warning in the form of an edict against his nation/congregation, saying: “Look! Jehovah has someone strong and mighty. Like a thundering hailstorm, a destructive windstorm, like a thunderstorm of powerful floodwaters, He will forcefully hurl it down to the earth.’

‘Someone strong and mighty‘ is in reference to the earthly agency that God will use to bring about his judgments. That the “thundering hailstorm” will cast down that which belongs to Jehovah is evident from the fact that a faithful remnant of “his people” will not be swept away in the flooding downpour of Jehovah’s denunciation. But not only will the faithful survive the denunciatory deluge, verses 5-6 foretell that Jehovah will distinguish them during the heat of battle. Those hope-inspiring verses read: “In that day Jehovah of armies will become a glorious crown and a beautiful garland to those left of his people. And he will become a spirit of justice to the one who sits in judgment and a source of mightiness to those who repel the attack at the gate.”

The expression “those left of his people” may also be expressed as ‘the remnant of his people.’ “The remnant”v is a biblical expression frequently used by Jehovah’s Witnesses in reference to the anointed— the expression being a holdover from the language of the King James Bible. Most noteworthy, though, is the similarity of this portion of the prophecy of Isaiah with the 12th chapter of Revelation. Specifically, the “flood” of persecution disgorged by the symbolic satanic dragon directed at the woman of the covenant is precisely the same event as is portrayed by the thunderous storm of powerful, flooding waters. How might that be conclusively determined?”
Bible prophecy really is like a picture puzzle. The pieces have to snap in place. If not, if you just try to cram a piece where it doesn't belong you end up with a mess like the Watchtower's puzzle.
 

SusanB

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I like to look ahead and point others to the prophecies that tell us what we can expect to see and experience. Chapter 7, the Tempest, really accomplishes that. As Brother Robert King says: “the tempest occurs concurrently with the establishment of the Kingdom.”

I think we will all recognize this scripture and I can’t read it too many times, at Isaiah 28:15-19: “For you men say: “We have made a covenant with Death, And with the Grave we have made an agreement. When the raging flash flood passes through, It will not reach us, For we have made a lie our refuge And we have hidden ourselves in falsehood.” Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a tested stone, The precious cornerstone of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will panic. And I will make justice the measuring line And righteousness the leveling tool. The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, And the waters will flood out the hiding place. Your covenant with Death will be dissolved, And your agreement with the Grave will not stand. When the raging flash flood passes through, You will be crushed by it. As often as it passes through, It will sweep you away; For it will pass through morning after morning, During the day and during the night. Only terror will make them understand what was heard.*

But then at Isaiah 54:6-9 we see how Jehovah will show them mercy and forgiveness.

Isaiah 54:6-9: “For Jehovah called you as if you were an abandoned wife and grief-stricken, Like a wife married in youth and then rejected,” says your God. “For a brief moment I abandoned you, But with great mercy I will gather you back. In a flood of indignation I hid my face from you for a moment, But with everlasting loyal love I will have mercy on you,” says your Repurchaser, Jehovah. “This is like the days of Noah to me. Just as I have sworn that the waters of Noah will no more cover the earth, So I swear that I will no more become indignant toward you or rebuke you.”
 

SusanB

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I thought this is an interesting point and when you look at the surrounding scriptures it makes sense.

Isaiah 25:7 says: “In this mountain he will do away with the shroud that is enveloping all the peoples and the covering that is woven over all the nations.

Quoting from the chapter: “The mountain obviously symbolizes the established Reign of Christ over the earth. However, “the envelopment that is enveloping over all the peoples” is not mere Adamic death, as the Watchtower wrongly teaches. The context has to do with Jehovah’s judgment against “the town of tyrannical nations,” which is in reference to the symbolic capital city of Satan’s post-system-collapse world government.

The “envelopment” that “is interwoven upon the nations” has to do the ultimate “success” of the ongoing conspiracy to enmesh the nations into a genocidal net. In harmony with that, the prophecy of Habakkuk, which is a vision yet for the time appointed, pictures the Chaldean entrapping all the nations in his net as if they were hapless fishes. Elsewhere in prophecy the Chaldean is called “the despot of the nations.”

No wonder Jesus exhorted his disciples not to be terrified by the events that will unfold with the desolation of the holy place during the conclusion of the system of things. Happily, however, although Jehovah allows the tempest of tyranny to sweep the world he also promises to provide a place of refuge for the faithful.

Isaiah 25:2-5: “For you have turned a city into a pile of stones, A fortified town into a crumbling ruin. The foreigner’s tower is a city no more; It will never be rebuilt. That is why a strong people will glorify you; The city of tyrannical nations will fear you. For you have become a stronghold to the lowly, A stronghold to the poor in his distress, A refuge from the rainstorm, And a shade from the heat. When the blast of the tyrants is like a rainstorm against a wall, As the heat in a parched land, You subdue the uproar of strangers. Like heat that is subdued by the shadow of a cloud, So the song of the tyrants is silenced.
 
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w_stone

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How can something crash( the financial system)when it's made up of fiat money.Meaning they can continue to print as much as they want for as long as they want.There crash comes When the woman (THE super wealth huge corporations) Are removed from the beast back.That puzzle peace fits.
 

Watchman

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How can something crash( the financial system)when it's made up of fiat money.Meaning they can continue to print as much as they want for as long as they want.There crash comes When the woman (THE super wealth huge corporations) Are removed from the beast back.That puzzle peace fits.
You are assuming the central banks will not intentionally crash the system.
 
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w_stone

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Why would they do that.There money is the source of there power.Why would they stop that,?
 
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w_stone

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To illustrate the point. IF you had a goose that lays golden eggs (THATS THE SUPER RICH there money machine)Would you kill it?
 

SingleCell

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To illustrate the point. IF you had a goose that lays golden eggs (THATS THE SUPER RICH there money machine)Would you kill it?

You're onto something! For 20+ years the prevailing idea has been that the apocalyptic event is a "derivatives blowout".

Having personally interacted with these derivatives since 2006 I would say this -- the financial system is the introduction of the trap. 2008 was the reset of the old paper system, into the new digital system.

The central digital currency is what we should pay attention to, implemented via the incoming 'vaxx pass'.

HOWEVER, e-watchman is probably correct, there is a blowout coming.

But they will use it to introduce the digital currency.

The "principalities" believe they are saving mankind and the earth by moving us into their controlled consumption system.

This will be the mark, the digital pass, with requirements, to be a part of 'modern society'.
 
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SusanB

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You're onto something! Refuting the prevailing idea for 20+ years that the apocalyptic event is a "derivatives blowout".

Maybe this is wrong, but I've been interacting with these derivatives for 20 years since I found e-watchman and have a different take -- the financial system is the introduction of the trap. 2008 was the reset of the old paper system, into the new digital system.

The central digital currency is what we should pay attention to, combined with the incoming 'vaxx pass'.

HOWEVER, e-watchman is probably correct, there is a blowout coming.

But they will use it to introduce the digital currency.

The "principalities" believe they are saving mankind and the earth by moving us into their controlled consumption system.
It’s hard to understand the derivatives for me anyway, but I know that the cascading crash of 2008 involved these same derivatives because they are clumped into packages so that investors often don’t even know what they are buying. And, they are still doing it. It’s like baking a cake with rotten ingredients but hiding it with sugary icing. Anyway, the reason they want to crash the system is explained in their name for it, the Great Reset. They want to reset the system, probably to digital, with all the power being vested in the elites who own the banks. I’m guessing they don’t see how they can lose since they likely own 70% of world assets anyway.
 
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