Charlie Kirk's Assassination

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Carl said:
I was hoping Robert would chime in on the obviously false teaching about Paradise, as well as the rudeness and unChristian attitude of Seventy6. Sadly, he's been allowed to display a hostile attitude from the beginning of this CHRISTIAN forum... swearing and name calling unchallenged, while others have been booted for less.

He's teaching a false doctrine, so I simply asked if he was accusing Jesus of lying to the thief when he said he would be with him in Paradise. Instead of correcting himself, he doubled down on his hateful attitude and also kept pushing an obviously false teaching. He's saying that Paradise isn't until the end of the 1,000 years... is this true? If so, then how does the thief get to skip the Resurrection? He's implying the thief is either anointed and sealed at death, thus skipping the 2nd death, or that anyone who places their faith in Jesus skips the Resurrection and passes right into Paradise, thus skipping the 2nd death. Am I the only one seeing this???
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Dejé de verlo al bloquear sus comentarios. Que paz! solo veo como le respondéis y pienso: ahí sigue el numeritos restando. 🤣
 
kenmuldoon55 said:
I guess what I meant by good decorum was that we wouldn’t want to give the expression “spiritual paradise” a bad name like the WT org does.
If it doesn’t exist here, let’s eat and drink for tomorrow we are to die.
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We're all about truth here, or iss itt? Jesus did not mean spiritual paradise when he promised the evil doer. lets not allow negativity ( words that don't blend with our décor ) to take focus, but let the truth. By all means drink and be merry in moderation, so we don't lose focus.
 
Ms_ladyblue said:
Uhhhh, we need to remember that Charlie Kirk was not a servant of Jehovah. He’s no different from someone we would’ve met in door to door or in public that we would witness to about Jesus and God’s kingdom.
So I think it’s unfair to look at him as not being a Christian…he’s one of those who had a zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge.
Let’s be fair and not bring judgment on him or anyone who doesn’t or didn’t know about the kingdom.
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Who do you think got more people to read their Bible? Charlie or you? Everyone has different gifts and circumstances. The apostle Paul got push back from people that believed in Jehovah because he went to meet and talk to the Roman chief officer, Cornelius. A Gentile! He's not like us. Why would Jehovah's people talk to a Gentile? Especially a Gentile that was in politics as the chief officer and played a part in politics. Wow, that sounds similar to Charlie Kirk. Have you bothered to ever consider that?

The biblical lesson here is not to be overzealous to a fault and impartial, even if they don't have a full understanding just like Cornelius didn't have a full understanding of the truth but he wanted to listen and he wanted to openly talk to the apostle Paul. It's why he invited him to his home. I saw Charlie like a Cornelius. And it's why I respected him.

Some Jews didn't like that the apostle Paul was talking to Gentiles and it was a problem in the congregation. Even the apostle Paul changed his thoughts and understood that Jehovah is open to people even though there might be disagreement's. He saw his own deep seated biases growing up as a Jewish man and around Jewish culture. But he saw the importance to spread the good news to all people.

I talked about this to someone else too. Who happens to be a very judgemental and tone deaf JW. He did not put two and two together when I said I was going to watch Charlie's memorial out of respect. He made it all about politics, so I had to biblically defend my position that he was criticizing, so I brought up this same example.

It's just a shame that people barely know the person they are judging. They only know that he was promoting politics and that's all he knows. Just like how some Jews knew that Cornelius was an uncircumcised Gentile that served a political position in the government. Yet, the apostle Paul showed respect to him and saw that he was receptive about God's word.
 
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Who do you think got more people to read their Bible? Charlie or you? Everyone has different gifts and circumstances. The apostle Paul got push back from people that believed in Jehovah because he went to meet and talk to the Roman chief officer, Cornelius. A Gentile! He's not like us. Why would Jehovah's people talk to a Gentile? Especially a Gentile that was in politics as the chief officer and played a part in politics. Wow, that sounds similar to Charlie Kirk. Have you bothered to ever consider that?

The biblical lesson here is not to be overzealous to a fault and impartial, even if they don't have a full understanding just like Cornelius didn't have a full understanding of the truth but he wanted to listen and he wanted to openly talk to the apostle Paul. It's why he invited him to his home. I saw Charlie like a Cornelius. And it's why I respected him.

Some Jews didn't like that the apostle Paul was talking to Gentiles and it was a problem in the congregation. Even the apostle Paul changed his thoughts and understood that Jehovah is open to people even though there might be disagreement's. He saw his own deep seated biases growing up as a Jewish man and around Jewish culture. But he saw the importance to spread the good news to all people.

I talked about this to someone else too. Who happens to be a very judgemental and tone deaf JW. He did not put two and two together when I said I was going to watch Charlie's memorial out of respect. He made it all about politics, so I had to biblically defend my position that he was criticizing, so I brought up this same example.

It's just a shame that people barely know the person they are judging. They only know that he was promoting politics and that's all he knows. Just like how some Jews knew that Cornelius was an uncircumcised Gentile that served a political position in the government. Yet, the apostle Paul showed respect to him and saw that he was receptive about God's word.
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I agree.
 
Soul Sage said:
Who do you think got more people to read their Bible? Charlie or you? Everyone has different gifts and circumstances. The apostle Paul got push back from people that believed in Jehovah because he went to meet and talk to the Roman chief officer, Cornelius. A Gentile! He's not like us. Why would Jehovah's people talk to a Gentile? Especially a Gentile that was in politics as the chief officer and played a part in politics. Wow, that sounds similar to Charlie Kirk. Have you bothered to ever consider that?

The biblical lesson here is not to be overzealous to a fault and impartial, even if they don't have a full understanding just like Cornelius didn't have a full understanding of the truth but he wanted to listen and he wanted to openly talk to the apostle Paul. It's why he invited him to his home. I saw Charlie like a Cornelius. And it's why I respected him.

Some Jews didn't like that the apostle Paul was talking to Gentiles and it was a problem in the congregation. Even the apostle Paul changed his thoughts and understood that Jehovah is open to people even though there might be disagreement's. He saw his own deep seated biases growing up as a Jewish man and around Jewish culture. But he saw the importance to spread the good news to all people.

I talked about this to someone else too. Who happens to be a very judgemental and tone deaf JW. He did not put two and two together when I said I was going to watch Charlie's memorial out of respect. He made it all about politics, so I had to biblically defend my position that he was criticizing, so I brought up this same example.

It's just a shame that people barely know the person they are judging. They only know that he was promoting politics and that's all he knows. Just like how some Jews knew that Cornelius was an uncircumcised Gentile that served a political position in the government. Yet, the apostle Paul showed respect to him and saw that he was receptive about God's word.
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Mark 9:39-40 “But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. For whoever is not against us is for us.”
 
Soul Sage said:
Who do you think got more people to read their Bible? Charlie or you? Everyone has different gifts and circumstances. The apostle Paul got push back from people that believed in Jehovah because he went to meet and talk to the Roman chief officer, Cornelius. A Gentile! He's not like us. Why would Jehovah's people talk to a Gentile? Especially a Gentile that was in politics as the chief officer and played a part in politics. Wow, that sounds similar to Charlie Kirk. Have you bothered to ever consider that?

The biblical lesson here is not to be overzealous to a fault and impartial, even if they don't have a full understanding just like Cornelius didn't have a full understanding of the truth but he wanted to listen and he wanted to openly talk to the apostle Paul. It's why he invited him to his home. I saw Charlie like a Cornelius. And it's why I respected him.

Some Jews didn't like that the apostle Paul was talking to Gentiles and it was a problem in the congregation. Even the apostle Paul changed his thoughts and understood that Jehovah is open to people even though there might be disagreement's. He saw his own deep seated biases growing up as a Jewish man and around Jewish culture. But he saw the importance to spread the good news to all people.

I talked about this to someone else too. Who happens to be a very judgemental and tone deaf JW. He did not put two and two together when I said I was going to watch Charlie's memorial out of respect. He made it all about politics, so I had to biblically defend my position that he was criticizing, so I brought up this same example.

It's just a shame that people barely know the person they are judging. They only know that he was promoting politics and that's all he knows. Just like how some Jews knew that Cornelius was an uncircumcised Gentile that served a political position in the government. Yet, the apostle Paul showed respect to him and saw that he was receptive about God's word.
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very much the same way the stiff necked Jews thought that they were God's chosen people and were angry at Jesus, Jehovah's Witnesses think they are Jehovah's chosen people and often scorn others in some situations. I don't want a generalize all of them however.
 
Carl said:
Mark 9:39-40 “But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. For whoever is not against us is for us.”
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Carl, I was just about to post this exact scripture.
 
Soul Sage said:
Who do you think got more people to read their Bible? Charlie or you? Everyone has different gifts and circumstances. The apostle Paul got push back from people that believed in Jehovah because he went to meet and talk to the Roman chief officer, Cornelius. A Gentile! He's not like us. Why would Jehovah's people talk to a Gentile? Especially a Gentile that was in politics as the chief officer and played a part in politics. Wow, that sounds similar to Charlie Kirk. Have you bothered to ever consider that?

The biblical lesson here is not to be overzealous to a fault and impartial, even if they don't have a full understanding just like Cornelius didn't have a full understanding of the truth but he wanted to listen and he wanted to openly talk to the apostle Paul. It's why he invited him to his home. I saw Charlie like a Cornelius. And it's why I respected him.

Some Jews didn't like that the apostle Paul was talking to Gentiles and it was a problem in the congregation. Even the apostle Paul changed his thoughts and understood that Jehovah is open to people even though there might be disagreement's. He saw his own deep seated biases growing up as a Jewish man and around Jewish culture. But he saw the importance to spread the good news to all people.

I talked about this to someone else too. Who happens to be a very judgemental and tone deaf JW. He did not put two and two together when I said I was going to watch Charlie's memorial out of respect. He made it all about politics, so I had to biblically defend my position that he was criticizing, so I brought up this same example.

It's just a shame that people barely know the person they are judging. They only know that he was promoting politics and that's all he knows. Just like how some Jews knew that Cornelius was an uncircumcised Gentile that served a political position in the government. Yet, the apostle Paul showed respect to him and saw that he was receptive about God's word.
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Maybe I misunderstood your comment to begin with. I was mistaken. It seemed that a few were being very judgmental of Charlie and I thought it wasn’t fair. Someone even put him in the same class with those who Jesus would say “get away from me you workers of lawlessness.”
 
Ms_ladyblue said:
Maybe I misunderstood your comment to begin with. I was mistaken. It seemed that a few were being very judgmental of Charlie and I thought it wasn’t fair. Someone even put him in the same class with those who Jesus would say “get away from me you workers of lawlessness.”
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Charlie being misinformed about the Truth didn't make him a worker of lawlessness. A worker of lawlessness is someone pushes the lie from the man of lawlessness.
 
Ms_ladyblue said:
No, Jesus wasn’t lying. He was telling the thief next to him about the paradise to come….Jesus was telling him that very day that in the future he would be with him ( and others no doubt) in paradise.
It would not have been that very day obviously.
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Patricia said:
True, true, and well, no. That many believe the Jewish people are God's chosen is true but I've never heard anybody say that they can do no wrong. In fact I've heard some say that " just because they are God's chosen doesn't mean we have to agree with everything they do". Now, I don't believe that the Jewish people are God's chosen anymore than you do. I'm just listening to what some of these talking head are saying, they mostly say that we are supposed to pray for the peace of Israel and that the covenant is an everlasting covenant. But modern Israel is more than Jewish( not gonna argue genetics) but there are Arabs and others that are Muslims as well as Christians living there so I don't even know how anyone can think today's Israel is anywhere close to the Israel of the Bible. I think people believe that it's an everlasting covenant because of how many time they sinned against God and then when they repented Jehovah forgave them. I suppose they think there is no limit on God's forgiveness. Anyway,
Political activism is much more obviously un-Christian, to me anyway. But what do you think about some of the topics that people have made political, ex. abortion, LGBT, etc? I find these to be biblical issues, not political. I'm still not gonna stand outside an abortion clinic and pray but when someone brings up the topic, I'll be happy to argue a biblical point of view. My thoughts 💭
Carl said:
I was hoping Robert would chime in on the obviously false teaching about Paradise, as well as the rudeness and unChristian attitude of Seventy6. Sadly, he's been allowed to display a hostile attitude from the beginning of this CHRISTIAN forum... swearing and name calling unchallenged, while others have been booted for less.

He's teaching a false doctrine, so I simply asked if he was accusing Jesus of lying to the thief when he said he would be with him in Paradise. Instead of correcting himself, he doubled down on his hateful attitude and also kept pushing an obviously false teaching. He's saying that Paradise isn't until the end of the 1,000 years... is this true? If so, then how does the thief get to skip the Resurrection? He's implying the thief is either anointed and sealed at death, thus skipping the 2nd death, or that anyone who places their faith in Jesus skips the Resurrection and passes right into Paradise, thus skipping the 2nd death. Am I the only one seeing this???
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When Jesus said paradise, I think he was simply referring to some point during his thousand year reign when the process of the general resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous takes place.
I’d think Jesus would want the earth tidied up and looking good before that event takes place.
And with every trace of the old system gone and great tribulation survivors well along on their journey towards perfection, it seems appropriate to refer to such a place as paradise though not in it’s completed form but a work in progress.
All, including the raised thief, will have to learn and conform to the Kingdoms teaching and restoration program otherwise face death with no hope of resurrection from ie the second death.
Even after the thousand years have brought man to perfection, we will all still be mortal like Jehovahs angelic family ,Jesus and his glorified brothers notwithstanding, and will rely on Jehovah for our continued existence.
The second death will forever be the consequence of any rebelliousness that may arise afterwards seeing how the legal precedents against challenging Gods sovereignty have been established.
So nobody skips the possibility of recieving second death. That’s how I see it but who knows, maybe at some point it will please Jehovah to confer immortality on more or all faithful persons.
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Carl said:
Sadly, he's been allowed to display a hostile attitude from the beginning of this CHRISTIAN forum... swearing and name calling unchallenged, while others have been booted for less.
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So what? Simple put him on ignore and it won’t bother you anymore. If everyone does that who is offended by his comment, Robert doesn’t have to bother with him giving the 🥾 Problem solved!
 
Edith said:
So what? Simple put him on ignore and it won’t bother you anymore. If everyone does that who is offended by his comment, Robert doesn’t have to bother with him giving the 🥾 Problem solved!
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I find it very strange though knowing that there's a few people on this forum who are no better than many inside the org, you'd think everyone on this forum is here for several reasons, one of them being that they couldn't stand the hypocrisy of both some of the "leaders", the GB and individual members any more. Many people who don't even profess to believe in God wouldn't even dream of treating or speaking to others in the same derogatory manner as some on here, weird.. there's definitely an alterior motive, one which has nothing to do with wanting to learn more about Jehovah and the Bible. Sometimes I read their comments and I wonder if they are just AI bots because many of them have no grammar and don't make any sense. I expect we'll find out one day..
 
Edith said:
So what? Simple put him on ignore and it won’t bother you anymore. If everyone does that who is offended by his comment, Robert doesn’t have to bother with him giving the 🥾 Problem solved!
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oh yes trust me, he was put on ignore quite quickly
 
Edith said:
So what? Simple put him on ignore and it won’t bother you anymore. If everyone does that who is offended by his comment, Robert doesn’t have to bother with him giving the 🥾 Problem solved!
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My point was only that 76 is allowed to swear and abuse forum members with impunity while others have been kicked off for less. People have left the forum due to this, and no doubt others haven’t joined because of the hostility some have displayed. He is also pushing a false teaching. I was just wondering why there is a double standard is all.
 
Carl said:
My point was only that 76 is allowed to swear and abuse forum members with impunity while others have been kicked off for less. People have left the forum due to this, and no doubt others haven’t joined because of the hostility some have displayed. He is also pushing a false teaching. I was just wondering why there is a double standard is all.
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✅ I don't direct anyone to this forumfor the reasons that you've said Carl, I just know that Satan would make sure the person saw the hostility and the horrible remarks and they'd be off. Maybe that's the whole idea of these "agents de provocateurs"? Nothing would surprise me! Up till 2020 I had an Instagram account with all lovely "spiritual stuff" on it. I had a thousand "followers" and 2 thousand on my "blocked" list 🫣 as soon as people started being nasty or condescending I deleted them 😑 people like that need to all get together and beat the hell out of each other to get it out of their system 😗
 
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I have a friend, well, Meikiel and I kinda adopted him. He is young and crushed by the death of Charlie KIrk. I am sure you noticed CK's message was to the young, a lot on sexual mortality and establishing good family relationships. This is the opposite of what the demons want, which is to destroy the youth and families and promote the trans community. The demons would like everyone dead. It doesn't matter if Charlie knew the truth or not, he was pushing against Satans agenda. He will be resurrected and then he can not only know the truth, but know Jehovah personally.
 
Carl said:
My point was only that 76 is allowed to swear and abuse forum members with impunity while others have been kicked off for less. People have left the forum due to this, and no doubt others haven’t joined because of the hostility some have displayed. He is also pushing a false teaching. I was just wondering why there is a double standard is all.
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I understand, he has me verbally abused as well when I was only a few weeks on the forum and since then I have just put him on ignore. Honestly I think we are all grown brothers and sisters who have recognized the lies of the WT, so shouldn’t we then also be able to recognize someone who can only speak dirt and we can solve it ourselves, instead of Robert having to spend his valuable time playing "cop"? Just a thought, nothing more; I know very well Robert can fend for himself and doesn’t need me…😉🤭
 
Edith said:
I understand, he has me verbally abused as well when I was only a few weeks on the forum and since then I have just put him on ignore. Honestly I think we are all grown brothers and sisters who have recognized the lies of the WT, so shouldn’t we then also be able to recognize someone who can only speak dirt and we can solve it ourselves, instead of Robert having to spend his valuable time playing "cop"? Just a thought, nothing more; I know very well Robert can fend for himself and doesn’t need me…😉🤭
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But Edith, he's done the exact same to me too, more so in my early days, and I know of other sisters he's treated the same, it's not just a case of Robert having to spend a lot of his time playing "cop", this forum doesn't need angry people on it, it needs to be a safe place for distressed brothers and sisters to come to as they fall/run away from the Watchtower. 🤔
 
a watcher said:
Wasn't it Peter that talked to Cornelius?
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When I was studying about impartiality it brought up scriptures with the apostle Paul. Romans 2:11: “There is no partiality with God.” So yes, I did get mixed up there. I was mostly talking about the apostle Peter. I had the apostle Paul in my mind from a previous topic I was talking about with someone.
 
Edith said:
since then I have just put him on ignore.
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I did the opposite, I made him put me on ignore. He can dish it out, but he can't take it! Which should tell you all you need to know! He's had me on ignore for a while! He'll run his mouth plenty, till he gets a taste of his own medicine, then he show his true cowardly colors! He's a clown! 🤡🤡
 
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