Disclosure Day

[lflynn22]

If I'm remembering correctly, it has to do with not being present in the earliest/oldest Greek manuscripts, but rather appears to be a later interpolation by an translator.

—Timothy
a believer.

I'm not sure i can make sense of this.​

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Matthew 17:21 missing from The Great Adventure Catholic Bible​

First, let me share that as a publisher of the Bible, we are not authorized to change any part of any translation, by even one word.


It turns out that the Matthew 17:21 passage is not included in any of the more recent Bible versions, either Catholic or Protestant, because the older and better manuscripts of Matthew do not include it. The two best manuscripts: the Codex Sianaiticus and Codex Vaticanus do not include the verse.


But this does not change the actual events or words that were spoken. In fact, we should always study all of the gospels – Matthew, Mark, Luke and John – to determine what happened during each event in Jesus’ life. When He preached or when He healed someone, each gospel writer may have added some unique information to the account, or the Holy Spirit may have wanted to emphasize something different in a particular gospel.


When read or studied together, the four gospels give us a complete picture of what happened in Jesus’ life. So the account in Matthew should be compared to the one in Mark 9:29 and in Luke 9:37-43.

 

[a believer]

I'm not sure i can make sense of this.​

​

Matthew 17:21 missing from The Great Adventure Catholic Bible​

First, let me share that as a publisher of the Bible, we are not authorized to change any part of any translation, by even one word.


It turns out that the Matthew 17:21 passage is not included in any of the more recent Bible versions, either Catholic or Protestant, because the older and better manuscripts of Matthew do not include it. The two best manuscripts: the Codex Sianaiticus and Codex Vaticanus do not include the verse.


But this does not change the actual events or words that were spoken. In fact, we should always study all of the gospels – Matthew, Mark, Luke and John – to determine what happened during each event in Jesus’ life. When He preached or when He healed someone, each gospel writer may have added some unique information to the account, or the Holy Spirit may have wanted to emphasize something different in a particular gospel.


When read or studied together, the four gospels give us a complete picture of what happened in Jesus’ life. So the account in Matthew should be compared to the one in Mark 9:29 and in Luke 9:37-43.

Sounds right, as I was trying to remember anything else, and had gone back and inserted the Mark account as a possible influence for the later insertion.

Having the parallel accounts definitely rounds off the rough edges of the recorded texts, for sure!

—Timothy

 

[lflynn22]

Sounds right, as I was trying to remember anything else, and had gone back and inserted the Mark account as a possible influence for the later insertion.

Having the parallel accounts definitely rounds off the rough edges of the recorded texts, for sure!

—Timothy

matthew 17.21 reads about fasting for healing as i recall in older bibles. i think many people read this scripter as a physical healing of the body but it reads of a spiritual healing.

Matthew 17:21 states: "However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting" (NKJV). It means that overcoming severe spiritual strongholds requires deep reliance on God, going beyond casual faith into intentional spiritual discipline, sacrifice, and focus. [1, 2]

Context of the Passage

• • The Disciples' Failure: The disciples failed to cast a stubborn demon out of a young boy.
  • The Lesson on Faith: Jesus links their failure to a lack of faith, noting that even mustard-seed faith can move mountains.
  • Spiritual Depth: Verse 21 emphasizes that certain deep-seated evils require a heightened state of spiritual readiness through prayer and fasting

 

[a believer]

matthew 17.21 reads about fasting for healing as i recall in older bibles.

Matthew 17:21 states: "However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting" (NKJV). It means that overcoming severe spiritual strongholds requires deep reliance on God, going beyond casual faith into intentional spiritual discipline, sacrifice, and focus. [1, 2]

Context of the Passage

• • The Disciples' Failure: The disciples failed to cast a stubborn demon out of a young boy.
  • The Lesson on Faith: Jesus links their failure to a lack of faith, noting that even mustard-seed faith can move mountains.
  • Spiritual Depth: Verse 21 emphasizes that certain deep-seated evils require a heightened state of spiritual readiness through prayer and fasting

The parallel account in Mark makes no mention of fasting, focusing solely on prayer, so I was misremembering there when I said the person was likely drawing from the parallel account. My apologies. But in the process, I did come up with some additional references worth considering, perhaps.

Jesus answered, “This kind cannot come out, except by prayer.” —Mark 9:29 Berean Standard Bible

Why Mark omits it and the translator of Matthew used the expression isn't something I think will be easily resolved this side of the Veil.

At the same time, we know that fasting was an essential part of special petitions to Jehovah, so your point is valid about overcoming the severest of challenges:

While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” And after they had fasted and prayed, they laid their hands on them and sent them off. —Acts 13:2-3 Berean Standard Bible

Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church, praying and fasting as they entrusted them to the Lord, in whom they had believed. —Acts 14:23 Berean Standard Bible

Even the practice of fasting is applied in the apostle Paul's counsel to married couples— albeit it is a fasting from sexual relations, but fasting, nonetheless:

Do not deprive each other, except by mutual consent and for a time, so you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again, so that Satan will not tempt you through your lack of self-control. —1 Corinthians 7:5 Berean Standard Bible

And, the most powerful example of all is that of Jesus, who fasted for 40 days and nights before facing his test. (Matthew 4:1-2; cf. Exodus 34:28)

—Timothy,
a believer.

 

[lflynn22]

The parallel account in Mark makes no mention of fasting, focusing solely on prayer, so I was misremembering there when I said the person was likely drawing from the parallel account. My apologies. But in the process, I did come up with some additional references worth considering, perhaps.

Jesus answered, “This kind cannot come out, except by prayer.” —Mark 9:29 Berean Standard Bible

Why Mark omits it and the translator of Matthew used the expression isn't something I think will be easily resolved this side of the Veil.

At the same time, we know that fasting was an essential part of special petitions to Jehovah, so your point is valid about overcoming the severest of challenges:

While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” And after they had fasted and prayed, they laid their hands on them and sent them off. —Acts 13:2-3 Berean Standard Bible

Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church, praying and fasting as they entrusted them to the Lord, in whom they had believed. —Acts 14:23 Berean Standard Bible

Even the practice of fasting is applied in the apostle Paul's counsel to married couples— albeit it is a fasting from sexual relations, but fasting, nonetheless:

Do not deprive each other, except by mutual consent and for a time, so you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again, so that Satan will not tempt you through your lack of self-control. —1 Corinthians 7:5 Berean Standard Bible

And, the most powerful example of all is that of Jesus, who fasted for 40 days and nights before facing his test. (Matthew 4:1-2; cf. Exodus 34:28)

—Timothy,
a believer.

i think fasting though good for both physical and spiritual healing has a deeper significand's for a spiritual healing. i think i will study this further i believe there may be more meaning in this scripture. thank you for your insight.

 

[lflynn22]

Pentagon Admits Ground Action After Iran Sites Hit​

lets hope it doesn't turn into a modern day Vietnam.

 

[lflynn22]

Aliens = demons

Revelation 16:14​

They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

James 2:19​

You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.

 

[Joseph Stephan]

 

[Nomex]

The demons are the ones behind the "funny money" the actual power that they use that gives them their power and gives the KOTN it's power. Not surprised there. One of the reasons they say JFK was killed was because he issued millions of dollars US Treasury notes. Direct threat to their power, and it's been rumored Trump is up tot he same thing.