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I gave the answer many times, but those hard of hearing cant hear ityes, yes, as always, with men in general, always implying never one straight forward answer;
I gave the answer many times, but those hard of hearing cant hear ityes, yes, as always, with men in general, always implying never one straight forward answer;
Of course! Me too.Please know that I'm still acquiring knowledge and information as the days go by, I'm still an amateur 😭
And so am IOf course! Me too.
Please know that I'm still acquiring knowledge and information as the days go by, I'm still an amateur 😭
Is Armageddon the same as the Great tribulation?
Here is something you can take to the bank, so to speak. First, look up and compare the blowing of the 7th trumpet at Revelation 11:15 with the pouring out of the 7th bowl of God’s anger at Revelation 16:17-21. Please study the verses in this paragraph and contemplate what you observe? Then answer this question: What happens at the sounding of the seventh trumpet blast and who is destroyed at the pouring out of the 7th bowl of God’s anger?
Did you observe that the Kingdom takes over the world at the blowing of the 7th trumpet, and “Babylon the Great” is destroyed when the 7th bowl of God’s anger is poured out? Is there an 8th trumpet blown or 8th bowl poured out for Armageddon? No. So what is Armageddon and when does it begin? Please ruminate on your answers to these questions for a while. Rest assured, as Babylon the Great undergoes destruction, although God’s faithful people may be targeted and their lives threatened, they will be divinely protected. Otherwise why are they told to ‘get out of her’ in the first place, if not to protect them from its destruction? (Re 18:5)
Pay special attention to the wording in regard to the destruction of Babylon the Great at Revelation 19:1, 2 - “After this I heard what seemed to be a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: “Praise Jah! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God, because his judgments are true and righteous. For he has executed judgment on the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her sexual immorality, and he has avenged the blood of his slaves that is on her hands.”” The pronouncement is “the Salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God”. Does this not indicate that “the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ” is exercised during the destruction of Babylon the Great? (Re 12:10) Most certainly! It is an expression of God’s anger and an execution of his judgement.
I always had my own understanding ( irrespective of WT teaching) that the tribulation is manmade whereas Armageddon is Jehovah bringing an end to all of our nonsense. Pestilence doesn't have to be manmade but it sure seems like it is lately, and I feel that you can include the jabs in that category. Food shortage in this day and age is unforgivable and most definitely manmade. War being the most obvious of the sign.
For me, the most convincing thing I notice is that many people are carrying on with life as usual as if nothing noteworthy has happened in the last few years. I feel confident that when we are in the middle of the great tribulation, that you won't need to ask if we're there yet. Likewise, somewhere in that timeline, expect to see attitudes change even more toward religion and God and government.
When Armageddon comes to pass, if you're alive, you'll know.
I've read from one site that basically most of the ones that can be identified right-wing sites misled people into believing financial collapse is imminent and people lost money from such bad advice. I think from Jehovah's point of view sure, it was doomed to collapse since Adam and Eve. But investments are always about opportunities.My sons are new to the Truth being in their heart, but have heard me preach the end is near all their lives. They believe as you do, and I've softened my doomsday rhetoric. I've been warning about financial collapse since 2008, yet here we are, 14 years later and we can still go to the store and buy food for a relatively reasonable price. I had no idea they could extend things this long, but knowing Satan's in charge means his intelligence is behind it. The fact is, this system will go on until Jehovah's had enough, which I hope is soon.
I think the mice got the idea from men rather than the other way around!I've read from one site that basically most of the ones that can be identified right-wing sites misled people into believing financial collapse is imminent and people lost money from such bad advice. I think from Jehovah's point of view sure, it was doomed to collapse since Adam and Eve. But investments are always about opportunities.
Also it can be argued in 2008, things were not that bad. As of right now, things are way worse. They are full force in schools, workplace, media, and government.
You might be interested in a video(on Youtube) dubbed Mouse Utopia. An experiment conducted in the early 1900's to see how the developed nations will turn out.
To summarize:
-Few mice were introduced to an environment free of predators, and plenty of food and water. The food/water stations were placed equidistant to each other.
-In a very short amount of time the population exploded. The key point isn't "overpopulation", but focused gathering in specific places, much like human cities, and nothing in between.
-At that point societal problems started emerging: Multiple sexual partners, sexual deviancy, female mice becoming leaders of the household(feminism?), loss of familial love(mother attacking child), same sex relations, violence, and fighting over land and resources! It even talked about people who avoided society altogether and were called the "beautiful ones" because they spent all day grooming alone. Kinda like what's happening in places like Japan for a while now and starting to surface in other developed countries.
-Shortly after the population crashes. It goes very quickly to zero.
-The key point is that you need combination of a wealthy country plus high population density to work. One or the other isn't enough. That's why Japan is a good example.
Most sources about SHTF scenario agree on ~2030 being the timeframe. Considering the radical changes since 2008, and nevermind just 5 years ago, that's enough time. THEN China takes over as the superpower. Since the US-Anglo system sprouted from the Roman system, I agree it's the one that'll end up in destruction. We're not gonna last hundred years. There are too many signs.
I do agree on places like North Korea needing to open. Something big is about to happen, and very soon. Big as in Vaccine mandate big. Big as in covid lockdowns big.
You are saying the pope is not one of the top-ranking men? Incredible.Who is Babylon the great .the Bible in Rev says it the top ranking People .Who are they .Not religious leads..The top ranking people who ride the wild beast (Anglo American power)are the milti national corporations and the super rich man like Gates Rockefeller .They are running the 2 Horned wild beast.A example of how they demonstrated there power is what happened during the Covid pandemic. GET IT OR die. The woman is the super Rich.not Religion. MORE OIL for your lamp Brothers
I've read from one site that basically most of the ones that can be identified right-wing sites misled people into believing financial collapse is imminent and people lost money from such bad advice. I think from Jehovah's point of view sure, it was doomed to collapse since Adam and Eve. But investments are always about opportunities.
Also it can be argued in 2008, things were not that bad. As of right now, things are way worse. They are full force in schools, workplace, media, and government.
You might be interested in a video(on Youtube) dubbed Mouse Utopia. An experiment conducted in the early 1900's to see how the developed nations will turn out.
To summarize:
-Few mice were introduced to an environment free of predators, and plenty of food and water. The food/water stations were placed equidistant to each other.
-In a very short amount of time the population exploded. The key point isn't "overpopulation", but focused gathering in specific places, much like human cities, and nothing in between.
-At that point societal problems started emerging: Multiple sexual partners, sexual deviancy, female mice becoming leaders of the household(feminism?), loss of familial love(mother attacking child), same sex relations, violence, and fighting over land and resources! It even talked about people who avoided society altogether and were called the "beautiful ones" because they spent all day grooming alone. Kinda like what's happening in places like Japan for a while now and starting to surface in other developed countries.
-Shortly after the population crashes. It goes very quickly to zero.
-The key point is that you need combination of a wealthy country plus high population density to work. One or the other isn't enough. That's why Japan is a good example.
Most sources about SHTF scenario agree on ~2030 being the timeframe. Considering the radical changes since 2008, and nevermind just 5 years ago, that's enough time. THEN China takes over as the superpower. Since the US-Anglo system sprouted from the Roman system, I agree it's the one that'll end up in destruction. We're not gonna last hundred years. There are too many signs.
I do agree on places like North Korea needing to open. Something big is about to happen, and very soon. Big as in Vaccine mandate big. Big as in covid lockdowns big.
When they say "Peace and safety" sudden destruction will befall them, which is the beginning of the great tribulation and the destruction of Babylon the Great - teaches the Watchtower.Originally, the underlying basis for the Watchtower’s assumption was based upon the fact that Jesus foretold that the trampling of Jerusalem would coincide with a great tribulation that would come upon the entire inhabited earth. Because Jerusalem was cast off by God 40 years into the Christian era the Watchtower taught that Jerusalem represents Christendom. (They seem to have quietly phased that out) If that were true, though, why would it be necessary for Christians to flee when they see the disgusting thing standing where it ought not?
This quite spirit of this world. Advertisements are also based on this. With a little exaggeration, I say that: Here derailed The Watchtower. This method not road of Jehovah. (This only a Human philosophy)Human nature being what it is, when we hear something repeated over and over in a matter-of-fact way we tend to believe it and not question it; especially if we regard those making the statements as experts. That is certainly the case with Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower.
You are right. There is nothing in the scriptures that directly connects those things. Obviously, though, there is a succession of events. First comes their saying "peace and security." The "sudden destruction" comes upon those saying it -- likely, the Anglo-American duo and Europe. Then, the ascension of the eighth king for "one-hour." Finally, the destruction of the whore of Babylon.When they say "Peace and safety" sudden destruction will befall them, which is the beginning of the great tribulation and the destruction of Babylon the Great - teaches the Watchtower.
Yes, this teaches the Watchtower and no the Bible teaches. (https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1981844)
Why sure this? The reference, 3 citation location: 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3; Mathew 24:21; Revelation 17:16
For me fully understand, that this is a logical the result of an inference, and not Bible teaches. In the Biblie nowhere, and nothing not connects this three citation.
When they say "Peace and safety" sudden destruction will befall them, which is the beginning of the great tribulation and the destruction of Babylon the Great - teaches the Watchtower.
Yes, this teaches the Watchtower and no the Bible teaches. (https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1981844)
Why sure this? The reference, 3 citation location: 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3; Mathew 24:21; Revelation 17:16
For me fully understand, that this is a logical the result of an inference, and not Bible teaches. In the Biblie nowhere, and nothing not connects this three citation.
I've been thinking about these for a long time. It's worth thinking about!
From what I understand, the Great Tribulation starts when the Wild Beast attacks God’s people.(Revelation 13:5-8) That’s why at verse 10 it says: “This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones.”
The attack on JW’s in Russia is one example of what might happen in the future globally or in great scale.
What surprise it will be for most of JW’s when they saw the WT being attacked instead of the harlot first.
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