Finding Neverland

coinlady

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Cathy Obrien who is my neighbor and friend was a whitehouse MK-Ultra slave. This video was from 1995....listen how many times she talks about the New World Order from back then and references events that we see happening today. Her story is horrific. She is very active today and is getting her message out as to the plan of the New World Order.
 

Eventhorizon

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Maybe not all elders, you have one here who is awake and not making waves. Likewise as mentioned elsewhere, I stopped donations after the infamous Zoom elder meeting where they made us read each paragraph of the branch letter out loud about not taking a position on the 💉💉💉or face judicial action…. My cong is mostly PIMI, with an appreciable amount of mental illness(of the non-Disneyland kind and other problems that make life before ”tha trooh” seem very normal and sane
 

Jah-son

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I was planning on starting a new thread with this story but I think it probably fits well here so I will just post it in this one if that's okay.

Venting: Where is the love!?

We moved into our current congregation back in April. Our first meeting was the memorial 2022. There is a single sister who also started attending this congregation at the same time we did whom we knew from another congregation. We both had moved into the area during the plandemic.

This is a rural congregation and there are predominantly two families that make up over half the congregation. The patriarch of one of the families acts as the COBE. He is a company man and strictly dominates the other elders like I've never experienced in any of the many congregations that I've been in throughout the years. Most of the other elders are quite passive and submit to his domineering attitude. He has a very strict leadership style and wants things done his way. My wife can't stand it and has been begging me to explore other congregations in the area, even if that means driving 15 mins to another hall. The current hall is 5 mins from us.

That being said, back to the single sister who moved in around the same time we did. She is struggling to get by and does not own a vehicle. She lives about 10 minutes from the Kingdom Hall (drive time). The road she lives on is off of the main road that leads back to our small village. The road is in complete disrepair with huge potholes throughout the section back to her house which is about a quarter to half mile from the main road. In order for her to get to meetings she would either need a ride from one of the brothers or she would have to make her way on foot down to the main road where she would need to flag down a ride (local private taxi - basically a private car owner who makes side money giving people rides). She has had to fight off dogs in the area on her way, including a rottweiler. Here's the kicker - there are 3 witnesses families who live on her street including a MS and her Service Group overseer! She lives a little further back then they do but not much maybe less than 5 minutes Drive. The first meeting other than the memorial that she attempted to attend, she proceeded to walk down the road and all three families were leaving their homes for the meeting and did not take notice of her walking to the meeting to offer a ride. Since then they have occasionally given her rides but it's always her who has to ask and she feels guilty for having to ask all the time.

My wife has befriended her and made arrangements to work with her in the ministry this morning. But no one else knew that. So this morning my wife was communicating with her to confirm their Arrangements and the sister was in need of a ride to the Kingdom Hall where we were meeting. So on the way to pick her up we stopped by the Kingdom Hall to notify them that we would probably be a bit late to the meeting and that they would need to make arrangements for me to work with somebody and give us some directions if we were late.
Guess who was already there at the meeting? That's right, her own field service overseer and his family along with one of the other families on her street.

By the time we picked her up I was livid! She had walked a portion of the way to meet us avoiding mud puddles. I told her when she got in the car, that I had to apologize for the unloving conduct of my brothers as I was choking with emotion which made her emotional. I posed this question to her, how can we go preach love to our neighbors when we neglect the simple acts of love among ourselves. Paul said, 1 Cor 13: 1-3 "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a clanging gong or a clashing cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."

We arrived at the KH just in time for the closing prayer of the service meeting. How convenient. We walked up to the opened doors of the Hall and all present could see that we were late because of the neglect of the others. I was staring down the neglectful elder during the prayer eyes wide open. He opened his eyes and saw me glaring at him. My wife said that she could sense that his wife was embarrassed, as she should be. Needless to say we will be checking out the other congregation in the area next week and if we happen to change congregations my plan is to reject any new appointment to serve in any capacity and only attend to support my wife. Honestly, I just can't take it much longer.
 

Medi-tator

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I was planning on starting a new thread with this story but I think it probably fits well here so I will just post it in this one if that's okay.

Venting: Where is the love!?

We moved into our current congregation back in April. Our first meeting was the memorial 2022. There is a single sister who also started attending this congregation at the same time we did whom we knew from another congregation. We both had moved into the area during the plandemic.

This is a rural congregation and there are predominantly two families that make up over half the congregation. The patriarch of one of the families acts as the COBE. He is a company man and strictly dominates the other elders like I've never experienced in any of the many congregations that I've been in throughout the years. Most of the other elders are quite passive and submit to his domineering attitude. He has a very strict leadership style and wants things done his way. My wife can't stand it and has been begging me to explore other congregations in the area, even if that means driving 15 mins to another hall. The current hall is 5 mins from us.

That being said, back to the single sister who moved in around the same time we did. She is struggling to get by and does not own a vehicle. She lives about 10 minutes from the Kingdom Hall (drive time). The road she lives on is off of the main road that leads back to our small village. The road is in complete disrepair with huge potholes throughout the section back to her house which is about a quarter to half mile from the main road. In order for her to get to meetings she would either need a ride from one of the brothers or she would have to make her way on foot down to the main road where she would need to flag down a ride (local private taxi - basically a private car owner who makes side money giving people rides). She has had to fight off dogs in the area on her way, including a rottweiler. Here's the kicker - there are 3 witnesses families who live on her street including a MS and her Service Group overseer! She lives a little further back then they do but not much maybe less than 5 minutes Drive. The first meeting other than the memorial that she attempted to attend, she proceeded to walk down the road and all three families were leaving their homes for the meeting and did not take notice of her walking to the meeting to offer a ride. Since then they have occasionally given her rides but it's always her who has to ask and she feels guilty for having to ask all the time.

My wife has befriended her and made arrangements to work with her in the ministry this morning. But no one else knew that. So this morning my wife was communicating with her to confirm their Arrangements and the sister was in need of a ride to the Kingdom Hall where we were meeting. So on the way to pick her up we stopped by the Kingdom Hall to notify them that we would probably be a bit late to the meeting and that they would need to make arrangements for me to work with somebody and give us some directions if we were late.
Guess who was already there at the meeting? That's right, her own field service overseer and his family along with one of the other families on her street.

By the time we picked her up I was livid! She had walked a portion of the way to meet us avoiding mud puddles. I told her when she got in the car, that I had to apologize for the unloving conduct of my brothers as I was choking with emotion which made her emotional. I posed this question to her, how can we go preach love to our neighbors when we neglect the simple acts of love among ourselves. Paul said, 1 Cor 13: 1-3 "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a clanging gong or a clashing cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."

We arrived at the KH just in time for the closing prayer of the service meeting. How convenient. We walked up to the opened doors of the Hall and all present could see that we were late because of the neglect of the others. I was staring down the neglectful elder during the prayer eyes wide open. He opened his eyes and saw me glaring at him. My wife said that she could sense that his wife was embarrassed, as she should be. Needless to say we will be checking out the other congregation in the area next week and if we happen to change congregations my plan is to reject any new appointment to serve in any capacity and only attend to support my wife. Honestly, I just can't take it much longer.
The love we were taught when we learned the truth has seemingly left the proverbial building. Driven and I have a bunch of REALLY good friends in our congo and I have other REALLY GOOD friends in other congregations. Only 2 out of say 20 who I would expect to show some love have made the effort to contact us over the past many months of us not attending meetings. I know my friends in the other congregations know about us and our stand because we share some mutual friends in our congregation who work with and are in regular contact with the others. Now, we could be considered just as unloving for not taking the initiative to contact them, but in reality, they would consider it unloving if indeed we did because of our stand and our current messaging. Hoping your change to another congregation bears better fruit! I am worried about the sister!
 
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SeaGull

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I stopped donations after the infamous Zoom elder meeting where they made us read each paragraph of the branch letter out loud about not taking a position on the 💉💉💉or face judicial action…

Thank you so much for posting this! It really makes me feel hopeful for some elders I've been associated with, as a sister/publisher for over 45 years, - who I thought/hoped would take a stand.
But, hopefully they, like you, are waiting for things to fall apart,so they can be there to help the sheep.🙏

I hope a couple of them have talked privately, at least.

Have you been able to talk to any other elders, maybe long time friends?

I had hoped our elders wouldn't stand for it! This has been quite a surprising situation :(
 

Jahrule

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I have to start off this post by saying I am not intending to insult or offend. These are just our observations over our entire lives in the org. It’s been discussed on here before that being in the truth in the 70s, 80s, and up to mid 90s seemed good! We had great friends, zeal for the ministry, and most importantly we were gonna be in paradise soon! No need for higher education, buying a house, or even braces - Jehovah will fix those crooked teeth soon! Our congregation had “October Frank” reminding us every October “This is it! The GT is gonna happen in October“! BTW Frank has been dead for over 10 years.

We were all determined to pioneer and not have children because “who would have children in this system?“. I recall the stir it caused in the late 80s at the SF convention when the brother‘s talk praised couples who remained childless for the sake of the good news! I’m from a very large family and the discussions after that were unanimous. I can see now that thinking deprived me and my siblings from having children and my parents from the grandchildren they never had. But that was all gonna be fixed in the new world so don’t think about it and just get back out in service.

Things started changing somewhere around the mid 90s. We live in a very affluent part of CA (born and raised here so it’s normal to us) and there are a lot of “pretty people” here. Think lots of cosmetic surgeries, fake lips, fake tans, hair extensions, etc. This began creeping into the congregation and by 2000s was the norm. About that time there was a flood of divorces and families rearranging. The double KH we attended became a child swapping fest with the divorced parents at the meeting in the two different halls and the kids running back and forth between them. There were also the childless couples who pretended to go on need greater preaching trips but were actually just exotic vacations and they took one token photo in front of the local KH. They were the rock stars and everyone wanted to be like them. It was not unusual to see the KH parking lot filled with mostly BMWs, Mercedes, and several Ferraris on Sunday. The crash of 2008 hit hard here. Many were losing their over financed homes and moving in with family. One assembly a couple we were close with were interviewed on stage and praised how they had decided to “simplify their lives“ by getting rid of their large expensive home to pioneer. That was a flat out lie! Their home was foreclosed on and they tried to hang on to it tooth and nail! Only after there was no saving it did they begin to spin the story all the way to the stage and their “good example“. 🙄

Through out the years we’ve noticed a significant amount of mental and emotional “issues” within the congregation. Almost as if a group arrested development is necessary to stay in the org and keep living in the last of the last days. As our group of friends are getting older and our parents are elderly and dying in this system and none of this was supposed to happen. It’s like everyone is living in two different worlds. Now the reality of no savings, no retirement plan, never bought a house. no children to care for them when they get older, and the years keep clipping away. For years the discussions always circled back around to the system can’t last much longer because the GB are getting older and the generation - right?

We now see many sisters in their 40s desperately trying IVF. Hardly ever do I work with a sister in my business and they’re not on some kind of anti anxiety or depression med. I know that’s a sensitive topic for many on here. I have worked with the public for years and it’s a disproportionate amount of witnesses vs non witnesses on these meds and many for decades. I had a sister in yesterday dealing with crippling anxiety and the depression of being in her 40s and still single. She could not stop crying at the thought of going back D2D but then the huge guilt of “not doing enough in the ministry”. She would even drive hours away into SF to get CBD so no one would see her and she begged me not to tell anyone. Trust me - not gonna say anything.

The arrested development we see among the sisters has been going on for many years and they encourage each other to stay in the childlike mindset. Many of the sisters have not only an obsession but an outright emotional dependence on all things Disneyland. 😳 Now I know a lot of people enjoy Disneyland and I’m not talking about the family vacation. I’m talking groups of adult, childless sisters that lived for Disney. They would plan multiple trips together per year without their husbands. They would sob and go into deep depression if they couldn’t go for any reason. Even going into debt or fighting with their husband about the expense. They wore the mouse ears like a crown for days and posted bizarre pictures of them hugging the Disney characters like they were friends. Their homes were covered in glass Disney figurines and they wore all the Mini Mouse clothing they could get away with. We have lived in multiple states on both coasts and this happened in many congregations.

In the car groups sisters would spend the morning singing the latest “original songs” from the broadcast often breaking into tears when they sang “Just around the corner” 🙄 and sometimes talk to each other in children’s voices. They couldn’t wait for the next Caleb video. I always assumed I was the one not trying hard enough to be close with them but I just couldn’t play along with their fantasy worlds. For the brothers it seems the org has focused for years on softening them down. The brothers have become so passive about everything except defending the GB. The men in the congregation are not allowed to have any real alpha qualities, perhaps that’s why we still have a no beard attitude. Can’t have strong males and maybe that’s why no elders pushed back on the v@x roll out. My husband has been so disappointed with his fellow elders and the men he looked up to. Not one would stand up to protect the congregation or even question what was happening. His talking with the other elders and the CO obviously has caused problems but we don’t care. He has often been counseled on being “too aggressive“ sorry, he’s not a house cat 🐈.

The real cherry on top happened this summer for us and the cruel reality of what the org does to peoples lives. Our long time friend died from the v, she’s the one that woke up paralyzed and died soon after. She had pioneered for close to 60 years, it’s literally all she lived for. I don’t have hardly a picture of her without a book bag in her hand. Her and I would be out till dark in service. Their only son left the truth decades before and they completely cut him off, they never got to know him of his family. When they got too old and sick he was called upon to come care for them, the parents he didn’t know now needed him. As we sat on her Zoom funeral watching the video of her life nonstop in the ministry while her old husband sobbed and the song “Just around the corner“ played over and over again like a cruel, final joke.
I know this is a long post. Just trying to make sense of a lifetime of weirdness that we just accepted as normal. Sorry if I struck a nerve for anyone. Maybe writing it out is a little therapeutic.
I guess everybody lonely these days. It's not better on the outside. I'd love to find a partner, but all the women I meet are either drug addicts, homeless, or completely insane. I live in Vermont. Maybe that's normal up here. I swear, if those "companion dolls" the Japanese men love so much could cook and clean I'd have already put a down payment on one. Yeah. This world is dumb. JW, civilian, whatever. We all screwed up these days.
 

Citrine

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I guess everybody lonely these days. It's not better on the outside. I'd love to find a partner, but all the women I meet are either drug addicts, homeless, or completely insane. I live in Vermont. Maybe that's normal up here. I swear, if those "companion dolls" the Japanese men love so much could cook and clean I'd have already put a down payment on one. Yeah. This world is dumb. JW, civilian, whatever. We all screwed up these days.
I’m sorry - we don’t do well alone. Wish we could help you out but all the sisters we know are v@d and at Disneyland 🙈🙄
 

Eventhorizon

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Thank you so much for posting this! It really makes me feel hopeful for some elders I've been associated with, as a sister/publisher for over 45 years, - who I thought/hoped would take a stand.
But, hopefully they, like you, are waiting for things to fall apart,so they can be there to help the sheep.🙏

I hope a couple of them have talked privately, at least.

Have you been able to talk to any other elders, maybe long time friends?

I had hoped our elders wouldn't stand for it! This has been quite a surprising situation :(
Have not talked to any other elders: I know one who have had a few “something not quite right” discussions with but as far as that has gone. Most of them are clueless and only carrying the water for the ORG. There is a problem of many viewing Their position as some kind of authority And use position for for some kind of dishonest gain. Talking to anyone of them would be like playing Russian Roulette with 6 bullets
 

Citrine

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Have not talked to any other elders: I know one who have had a few “something not quite right” discussions with but as far as that has gone. Most of them are clueless and only carrying the water for the ORG. There is a problem of many viewing Their position as some kind of authority And use position for for some kind of dishonest gain. Talking to anyone of them would be like playing Russian Roulette with 6 bullets
Appreciate your insight and we agree. After my husbands meeting with the CO it seems they’re keeping an eye on him.
 

Citrine

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Cathy Obrien who is my neighbor and friend was a whitehouse MK-Ultra slave. This video was from 1995....listen how many times she talks about the New World Order from back then and references events that we see happening today. Her story is horrific. She is very active today and is getting her message out as to the plan of the New World Order.
Will check it out - we’re very aware of the whole MK Ultra stuff. Yikes!
 

Citrine

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I was planning on starting a new thread with this story but I think it probably fits well here so I will just post it in this one if that's okay.

Venting: Where is the love!?

We moved into our current congregation back in April. Our first meeting was the memorial 2022. There is a single sister who also started attending this congregation at the same time we did whom we knew from another congregation. We both had moved into the area during the plandemic.

This is a rural congregation and there are predominantly two families that make up over half the congregation. The patriarch of one of the families acts as the COBE. He is a company man and strictly dominates the other elders like I've never experienced in any of the many congregations that I've been in throughout the years. Most of the other elders are quite passive and submit to his domineering attitude. He has a very strict leadership style and wants things done his way. My wife can't stand it and has been begging me to explore other congregations in the area, even if that means driving 15 mins to another hall. The current hall is 5 mins from us.

That being said, back to the single sister who moved in around the same time we did. She is struggling to get by and does not own a vehicle. She lives about 10 minutes from the Kingdom Hall (drive time). The road she lives on is off of the main road that leads back to our small village. The road is in complete disrepair with huge potholes throughout the section back to her house which is about a quarter to half mile from the main road. In order for her to get to meetings she would either need a ride from one of the brothers or she would have to make her way on foot down to the main road where she would need to flag down a ride (local private taxi - basically a private car owner who makes side money giving people rides). She has had to fight off dogs in the area on her way, including a rottweiler. Here's the kicker - there are 3 witnesses families who live on her street including a MS and her Service Group overseer! She lives a little further back then they do but not much maybe less than 5 minutes Drive. The first meeting other than the memorial that she attempted to attend, she proceeded to walk down the road and all three families were leaving their homes for the meeting and did not take notice of her walking to the meeting to offer a ride. Since then they have occasionally given her rides but it's always her who has to ask and she feels guilty for having to ask all the time.

My wife has befriended her and made arrangements to work with her in the ministry this morning. But no one else knew that. So this morning my wife was communicating with her to confirm their Arrangements and the sister was in need of a ride to the Kingdom Hall where we were meeting. So on the way to pick her up we stopped by the Kingdom Hall to notify them that we would probably be a bit late to the meeting and that they would need to make arrangements for me to work with somebody and give us some directions if we were late.
Guess who was already there at the meeting? That's right, her own field service overseer and his family along with one of the other families on her street.

By the time we picked her up I was livid! She had walked a portion of the way to meet us avoiding mud puddles. I told her when she got in the car, that I had to apologize for the unloving conduct of my brothers as I was choking with emotion which made her emotional. I posed this question to her, how can we go preach love to our neighbors when we neglect the simple acts of love among ourselves. Paul said, 1 Cor 13: 1-3 "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a clanging gong or a clashing cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."

We arrived at the KH just in time for the closing prayer of the service meeting. How convenient. We walked up to the opened doors of the Hall and all present could see that we were late because of the neglect of the others. I was staring down the neglectful elder during the prayer eyes wide open. He opened his eyes and saw me glaring at him. My wife said that she could sense that his wife was embarrassed, as she should be. Needless to say we will be checking out the other congregation in the area next week and if we happen to change congregations my plan is to reject any new appointment to serve in any capacity and only attend to support my wife. Honestly, I just can't take it much longer.
This burns me up but unfortunately it’s not an isolated experience. Thank you for being so kind. BTW how do you deal with going in service? Sincere question - how are you handling it?
 

SeaGull

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Have not talked to any other elders: I know one who have had a few “something not quite right” discussions with but as far as that has gone. Most of them are clueless and only carrying the water for the ORG. There is a problem of many viewing Their position as some kind of authority And use position for for some kind of dishonest gain. Talking to anyone of them would be like playing Russian Roulette with 6 bullets
It's the same for me with the bro and sisters. Also with an elder ( old and very dear friend ) who reaches out to me from time to time. I guess I was just hoping :(
 

Nomex

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I know a brother who's daughter was in my daughters 1st grade class. He grew up in the truth same as me, but he's 10 years younger. Last time I talked to him he started off with something like, "we grew up in the truth so we know the GB are wrong sometimes," something like that. I threw out some very cautious truth bombs, that he agreed with 100%. His wife however is very PIMI, not saying he's PIMO, but definitely an opening there. I was thinking today I should call him and see how far I can crack that can open. He's got a lot of the crazy JW stuff to share too. To my recollection he told me his Mom burned down their house when he was a kid and blamed it on the demons! If I think of it, I'll try to call him this week. I have to really think about this. Maybe I'll use what I know best what I have been thinking about for 20 some odd years, and that's how there aint no way the GT is happening the way WT claims!

I'll feel him out. I have been very cautious because his wife is very pro vax, but I think my wife told me she didn't want this vax, and talking to him doesn't sound like talking to her, from what my wife tells me. I'll post back next time I talk to him! @Jah-son It sounds a little like your situation.
 

SeaGull

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LOL. I do alright. I just repress all my feelings where they silently fester as a mental illness. You know, like a regular man.

Ha! 😋- well, what if you were older - and repressed your feelings for so long, - that you finally ended up just being way too honest with people? -

then only a very precious few could tolerate you -

Hey, wait! - that's not so bad!😀 - especially if you don't mind it at all!
:ROFLMAO:never mind:ROFLMAO:. ( being over the edge is not that bad)
 

Jahrule

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Ha! 😋- well, what if you were older - and repressed your feelings for so long, - that you finally ended up just being way too honest with people? -

then only a very precious few could tolerate you -

Hey, wait! - that's not so bad!😀 - especially if you don't mind it at all!
:ROFLMAO:never mind:ROFLMAO:. ( being over the edge is not that bad)
Yeah. I think modern times made me that way at an early age. Probably why I'm still single.
 

Nomex

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Ha! 😋- well, what if you were older - and repressed your feelings for so long, - that you finally ended up just being way too honest with people? -

then only a very precious few could tolerate you -

Hey, wait! - that's not so bad!😀 - especially if you don't mind it at all!
:ROFLMAO:never mind:ROFLMAO:. ( being over the edge is not that bad)
@Jahrule This is me, and when people are lying to me or other wise doing something insufferable, I am so ornery now I see it as a poker game, "I see your insufferable attitude and raise it by a factor of unimaginable insufferable attitude times infinity." And then they look at me like I am crazy and I think to myself, "you started it, I ended it. The differance between you am me, is you have to provoke me. I bet you wish you had shut your mouth now!" And then I still feel bad afterwards. But hey, I still maintain "it's not my fault!!!!!!" LOL!
 

Arctic Cat

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Nomex you are expressing why so many could never “take to the truth” you have inner integrity that wouldn’t allow you to conform. We have seen many similar experiences over the years but as we were so dutifully taught we viewed them as “spiritually weak”. We were in a congregation with an elder who’s twin brother had committed suicide as a teenager over their rigid, task master of an elder father. The brother said his twin was weak and probably wouldn’t have made it through Armageddon anyway 😳. He became an even more cold and exacting elder than his father. He seamed gleeful to announce someone as DF’d. We jokingly called him the executioner - not so funny now.
My husband too was counseled when he defended his son from a dangerous situation at a congregation gathering. We need more alpha males not less.
I understood now why i never managed to get baptized.. i had the knowledge and basic bible understanding since very young. Everbody in the congregation would praise my speech reading of the bible and then say how I was surely next in line for baptism. I started doing the biblereading speech before i even could reach the microphone, they had to move the speakers table aside put me on a small pedestal and then lower the mic holder all the way down , almost as if folding it together😂. was 8 the first time. I just never felt that i was being genuine when «following the flock» or baah-ing in tune with the rest.. so i assumed it had to be that i was a bad sheep! So i left everything behind to the tune of Ritchie Blackmoores Black sheep of the family 😉.. luckily Jehovah never left me, he never gave me up.. For wich i am very greatful. and eventually i ended up here🤗
thank you for sharing your views and experiences.
 

Arctic Cat

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I guess everybody lonely these days. It's not better on the outside. I'd love to find a partner, but all the women I meet are either drug addicts, homeless, or completely insane. I live in Vermont. Maybe that's normal up here. I swear, if those "companion dolls" the Japanese men love so much could cook and clean I'd have already put a down payment on one. Yeah. This world is dumb. JW, civilian, whatever. We all screwed up these days.
😝🤗💕 I can def relate ! appreciate the hearthy laugh
 
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