Genesis 1:7.

BARNABY THE DOG.

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“Then the Lord God Jehovah formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils, the breath of life, and the man became a living being.”

This being the account, does it mean then that the creation of man was a two-fold process? Man was created by, the body was given life by, Jehovah. Since that time then, the animation that was given Adam, was and remains, the one and the same gift that we experience today. This begs the question then, that our existence, far from being independent of Jehovah, is in fact part of His being. Likewise, Jesus was aware of his past - Luke 2:49. “Why were you searching for me? he asked. “Did you not know I had to be in my father‘s house?”

If this is the case then, does this explain the reading of our hearts, the secrets, the prayers, aspirations and the sense of and development of love within ourselves being an open book to Jehovah? Where else does the sense of such attributes arise from and appear to a degree in many, even all mammalian life? Does this add understanding to the fact that Jesus took on the entire sin of the world of men at the time of his death - the total culmination of satan‘s betrayal?

If there is any substance in the above and that life is in fact an extension of Jehovah’s spirit, how does Jehovah keep aloof from our condemnation? We as humans do not create life, but pass it on. Jehovah makes it plain that life does not belong to us in his law on the use of blood. “I am the life giver”. Life is passed on by man via a living cell, the completion of such with that of the woman creates a living body rather than new life but it is intrinsically referred to such for convenience.
 

The God Pill

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“Then the Lord God Jehovah formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils, the breath of life, and the man became a living being.”

This being the account, does it mean then that the creation of man was a two-fold process? Man was created by, the body was given life by, Jehovah. Since that time then, the animation that was given Adam, was and remains, the one and the same gift that we experience today. This begs the question then, that our existence, far from being independent of Jehovah, is in fact part of His being. Likewise, Jesus was aware of his past - Luke 2:49. “Why were you searching for me? he asked. “Did you not know I had to be in my father‘s house?”

If this is the case then, does this explain the reading of our hearts, the secrets, the prayers, aspirations and the sense of and development of love within ourselves being an open book to Jehovah? Where else does the sense of such attributes arise from and appear to a degree in many, even all mammalian life? Does this add understanding to the fact that Jesus took on the entire sin of the world of men at the time of his death - the total culmination of satan‘s betrayal?

If there is any substance in the above and that life is in fact an extension of Jehovah’s spirit, how does Jehovah keep aloof from our condemnation? We as humans do not create life, but pass it on. Jehovah makes it plain that life does not belong to us in his law on the use of blood. “I am the life giver”. Life is passed on by man via a living cell, the completion of such with that of the woman creates a living body rather than new life but it is intrinsically referred to such for convenience.
The spirit is his property, our body can die, Jesus made clear our soul can be destroyed but if a man perishes the spirit the energy that animated and enabled the life returns to our Father who gave it. Life is an ongoing gift our spirits are borrowed. 1 thessalonians 5:23 May the very God of peace sanctify YOU completely. And sound in every respect may the spirit and soul and body of YOU [brothers] be preserved in a blameless manner at the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Posstot

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“Then the Lord God Jehovah formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils, the breath of life, and the man became a living being.”

This being the account, does it mean then that the creation of man was a two-fold process? Man was created by, the body was given life by, Jehovah. Since that time then, the animation that was given Adam, was and remains, the one and the same gift that we experience today. This begs the question then, that our existence, far from being independent of Jehovah, is in fact part of His being. Likewise, Jesus was aware of his past - Luke 2:49. “Why were you searching for me? he asked. “Did you not know I had to be in my father‘s house?”

If this is the case then, does this explain the reading of our hearts, the secrets, the prayers, aspirations and the sense of and development of love within ourselves being an open book to Jehovah? Where else does the sense of such attributes arise from and appear to a degree in many, even all mammalian life? Does this add understanding to the fact that Jesus took on the entire sin of the world of men at the time of his death - the total culmination of satan‘s betrayal?

If there is any substance in the above and that life is in fact an extension of Jehovah’s spirit, how does Jehovah keep aloof from our condemnation? We as humans do not create life, but pass it on. Jehovah makes it plain that life does not belong to us in his law on the use of blood. “I am the life giver”. Life is passed on by man via a living cell, the completion of such with that of the woman creates a living body rather than new life but it is intrinsically referred to such for convenience.

You raise questions about the nature of life, which in humans seems to be Jehovah's universal active force animating a unique, DNA based personal identity made in His image, as far as moral propensities are concerned, subject to individual free will, just as He is in possession of.

As to whether this makes our existence a part of His being depends on what we mean with 'existence' and 'being,' and whether we are meant to view Jehovah's breath as part of His being.

Ultimately, of course, all things are of Him, and He had to invent a certain character for us to be and identify with - how ever inherited sin might alienate us from ourselves, as much as from Him - to fill in the blanks according to our chosen reaction to Him and the environment He customized for us and placed us in, which co-creates who we are and shall be.

In summary - given our position as hopefully reluctant but nonetheless congenital sinners - the only truly sovereign and existential choice we can and need to make is accepting Jesus - or not - when confronted with the offer; all else can be sorted afterwards.

Just a bit of my take.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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It’s not straightforward issue is it. I’ve been wondering about the entity of life for years. The nearest discussion I have ever found on the matter was monty pythons meaning if life. Joking apart, I very much believe in the bible where it says that Jehovah made man and then breathed life into him life. It seems to infer the separateness of life from the body as an active force, of which Jehovah is the source, as it is written. I suspect that perhaps because of this, the freedom of choice given us does not blemish the gift as such is contained within our consciousness. It’s very difficult to extrapolate one from the other and come up with an acceptable conclusion. Thanks for your thoughts.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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The spirit is his property, our body can die, Jesus made clear our soul can be destroyed but if a man perishes the spirit the energy that animated and enabled the life returns to our Father who gave it. Life is an ongoing gift our spirits are borrowed. 1 thessalonians 5:23 May the very God of peace sanctify YOU completely. And sound in every respect may the spirit and soul and body of YOU [brothers] be preserved in a blameless manner at the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Thanks. That’s a good clarification. i shall have to think on that.
 

The God Pill

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Since the DNA sequence enables the cells and by extension brain, heart rest of the body etc to be in synch with the hologram/soul and send and receive data via biophotons it's fair to say the soul is the product of both parents given the means of access is equally derivative from both. The spirit comes from the paternal end yours came from your father's from his, from his all the way to Adam's from Jehovah. Think of a fire if you have a lit torch you can light other torches and flammable objects with it.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Since the DNA sequence enables the cells and by extension brain, heart rest of the body etc to be in synch with the hologram/soul and send and receive data via biophotons it's fair to say the soul is the product of both parents given the means of access is equally derivative from both. The spirit comes from the paternal end yours came from your father's from his, from his all the way to Adam's from Jehovah. Think of a fire if you have a lit torch you can light other torches and flammable objects with it.
Yes. I do not see why the spiritual part of the human being cannot be shared via both parents and yes, reproduction is a product of both. On the surface, it does seem to serve as a membrane between the source of life and its practicable application. We shall doubtless find out.
 

The God Pill

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Yes. I do not see why the spiritual part of the human being cannot be shared via both parents and yes, reproduction is a product of both. On the surface, it does seem to serve as a membrane between the source of life and its practicable application. We shall doubtless find out.
I came to the conclusion on the spirit when I was an eager teenager typing out a few book manuscripts mostly on our beliefs i believe it was that second one in a chapter on the blood doctrine that the notion came in reasoning might have been something to do with blood etc but I dont remember so could've been wrong on that part, what I do recall was two notions from scripture one was Jesus perfect conception the second was when Paul said that Melchizedek's priesthood was higher than Levi's because

9 And, if I may use the expression, through Abraham even Leʹvi who receives tithes has paid tithes, 10 for he was still in the loins of his forefather when Mel·chizʹe·dek met him.

I think it should be clear that one can afford and desire everyone to be treated with dignity and fairness without insisting everything is both equal and in every case where differences are not cartoonishly undeniable identical when it comes to the sexes. For example Jehovah dignifies women by selecting many of them as annointed and they are different given men don't get pregnant emphasis on life forms being equals root is the devil tempting our ancestors with the lie of becoming equal to Elohim. Attributing the spirit to paternity does not diminish a mother's genetic/epigenetic contributions to a person's spirituality after all Rebecca seemed more spiritual than Isaac and favored Jacob while Isaac preferred Esau.

One moment you have an egg which is not an independent organism the next you have a lifeform of it's own the spark of life and other processes causes by the sperm result in a differentiated organism. Jehovah's name is a verb he causes to become there are articles and videos on both the meaning sequence and pictography of the divine name all point toward the scene in Genesis when the breath of life our respiratory systems are structured to produce it with each breath to. Anyway the man's material is the causative agent it causes it's target to become a being of it's own at the expense of some of the child's Father's spirit.

The Chinese observed a direct correlation between male longevity and frequency of reproductive expenditure. The man loses a bit of his essence each time he could potentially conceive life.

On your question of the spirit and Jehovah's independence from sinful creation the Hebrew clears this up well. We can't confuse a human's spirit with Jehovah's holy spirit because while the energy that gives us life derives from the holy spirit it is not holy spirit we think of holy as clean but it also means set apart Ruach HaKo'desh it's like if your dad gave you you weeks allowance the paper bills in your hand are made of the same material but your dad is not responsible for what you do with that money what he has not granted remains his it is set apart and it's use is an expression of his will and agency he also has the authority to reclaim what you received from him.
 
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Posstot

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I think it should be clear that one can afford and desire everyone to be treated with dignity and fairness without insisting everything is both equal and in every case where differences are not cartoonishly undeniable identical when it comes to the sexes. For example Jehovah dignifies women by selecting many of them as annointed and they are different given men don't get pregnant equality talks root is the devil tempting our ancestors with the lie of becoming equal to Elohim.

Good point.
 

kenmuldoon55

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It’s not straightforward issue is it. I’ve been wondering about the entity of life for years. The nearest discussion I have ever found on the matter was monty pythons meaning if life. Joking apart, I very much believe in the bible where it says that Jehovah made man and then breathed life into him life. It seems to infer the separateness of life from the body as an active force, of which Jehovah is the source, as it is written. I suspect that perhaps because of this, the freedom of choice given us does not blemish the gift as such is contained within our consciousness. It’s very difficult to extrapolate one from the other and come up with an acceptable conclusion. Thanks for your thoughts.
 

Nomex

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Well I think you guys are reading way too much into this. LOL. I think the verse just means God created a physical "image" of himself and the previous creation of angels. God created life out of the expression of love and wanted to share the experience of life. I think the only thing that sets apart from Angels is the physical versus non-physical or inter-dimensional. We exist in this physical plane, and Jehovah and the angels exist in a different plane of existence. I have often wondered how we "inherit sin" and I think it comes down to the dominant attitude that Adam and Eve displayed when they sinned. Eve desired to "be like God". Hence mankind hence mankind displays that tendency, and Adam must have wanted the same thing. So I think what we really inherited was an acquired desire to want to be separate from God's control.

When Jesus died what is really overlooked is he sacrificed his ability the have perfect children, he therefore legally adopted Adam's children. If Jesus had had children, they would have been perfect even if their mother was not and we would not have been able to be redeemed, because his children could have remained faithful until death, and all of Adam's offspring would have to die because the issue of perfect mankind serving faithfully could have been settled by Jesus offspring.

Any way that's my take on this other wise pointless debate...haha! We are not going to know until the new system! :LOL:
 

The God Pill

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Well I think you guys are reading way too much into this. LOL. I think the verse just means God created a physical "image" of himself and the previous creation of angels. God created life out of the expression of love and wanted to share the experience of life. I think the only thing that sets apart from Angels is the physical versus non-physical or inter-dimensional. We exist in this physical plane, and Jehovah and the angels exist in a different plane of existence. I have often wondered how we "inherit sin" and I think it comes down to the dominant attitude that Adam and Eve displayed when they sinned. Eve desired to "be like God". Hence mankind hence mankind displays that tendency, and Adam must have wanted the same thing. So I think what we really inherited was an acquired desire to want to be separate from God's control.

When Jesus died what is really overlooked is he sacrificed his ability the have perfect children, he therefore legally adopted Adam's children. If Jesus had had children, they would have been perfect even if their mother was not and we would not have been able to be redeemed, because his children could have remained faithful until death, and all of Adam's offspring would have to die because the issue of perfect mankind serving faithfully could have been settled by Jesus offspring.

Any way that's my take on this other wise pointless debate...haha! We are not going to know until the new system! :LOL:
Adam was not deceived his sinful disposition his descendants inherited was the tendency to value a product over it's source. Can't say definitively obviously but there's certainly a strong possibility you're right on the societies old interpretation that Christ could have been a second Adam to that extent and forfeited it on our behalf.

 

kenmuldoon55

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The spirit is his property, our body can die, Jesus made clear our soul can be destroyed but if a man perishes the spirit the energy that animated and enabled the life returns to our Father who gave it. Life is an ongoing gift our spirits are borrowed. 1 thessalonians 5:23 May the very God of peace sanctify YOU completely. And sound in every respect may the spirit and soul and body of YOU [brothers] be preserved in a blameless manner at the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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That the life force of individuals returns to Jehovah at their physical deaths with all the information from their d n a , their memories, personalities perfectly imprinted into that life force would seem to explain Jesus words at Matthew 22:32
32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
 
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