Governing Body update #2 March 2024

Proverbs 14 v 15

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I lived across the street from an elder like this. If I bought something new I felt I had to sneak it in my house. One time when I told him I was going out of state to see my grandmother cause she was at the end of her life ….his words to me was…. Let the dead bury the dead you need to be out in service.
Oh I've known elders like that too! Shocking 😯
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I hope those whom Bro Sanderson is addressing repent and come to their senses. However, the GB surely knows that a growing number of JWs are leaving, becoming inactive and disassociating themselves, not because they want to practice something sinful, but because they have become sickened by the Watchtower's hypocrisy. According to Jehovah's denunciation of the shepherds in the 34th chapter of Ezekiel, God's piercing vision sees that the shepherds are feeders of themselves. "You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bandaged the injured or brought back the strays or looked for the lost; rather, you have ruled them with harshness and tyranny."

Consider the tens of thousands of children who have been sexually abused. Has the Governing Body ever reached out to them? Has there ever been a word of apology for keeping pedophiles from prosecution and knowingly appointing pedophiles as overseers as long as the congregation is unaware that a sexual predator is counted as their elder? Many of Jehovah's Witnesses have been deeply disturbed by the Governing Body's glowing endorsement of the vaccines. This Update would have been an appropriate venue for Brother Sanderson to confess his sin and repent and apologize for imparting Jehovah's blessing to a scheme that is killing people. How can the Governing Body appeal to the multitudes to come back when they are responsible for driving them away?

By the way, Brother Sanderson, about the 11-minute mark you stated matter-of-factly that anyone who has been away from the congregation for a considerable time would no doubt be very weak spiritually. It has been nearly 20 years for me and I do not at all consider myself to be spiritually weak. On the contrary, Jehovah has stood by me like a terrible mighty one. I truly admonish every one of the Governing Body and their Helpers to repent before the master arrives to clean house.
I never lost my faith away from watchtower. It didn’t grow, admittedly, but neither did it die. I just had no where to go with it and the time was not right. What did ignite it was your site. I’m not afraid to say that. It gave meaning to the bible and the learning necessary to build faith. Faith is something no one can provide another. But the correct tools are necessary and those tools are simple truth. You know that we know the correct position you hold in this act of altruism, so there is no inappropriate servitude given or expected - just as it should be, but along with that there is the brotherhood in unity with the truth. That in itself is a reward given to very few. There is no true brotherhood without truth. We may only be a speck of dust compared with the world population, but we have insight. And that is from Jehovah. Can there be anything of more value that leads to life? It is the embryo of love.
 

Melinda

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Oh I've known elders like that too! Shocking 😯
This elder moved to Taiwan with his family 30 yrs ago. It was a relief for the whole congregation. It was perfect place because he wasn't able to speak the language. In all seriousness....I don't know for sure but something tells me he is a different person because he's had a lot of time to reflect where things might have gone wrong since his 42 yr old son committed suicide about 5 years ago.
 

J&P

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This elder moved to Taiwan with his family 30 yrs ago. It was a relief for the whole congregation. It was perfect place because he wasn't able to speak the language. In all seriousness....I don't know for sure but something tells me he is a different person because he's had a lot of time to reflect where things might have gone wrong since his 42 yr old son committed suicide about 5 years ago.
How sad but true.
And we've all probably known brothers with that type of personality...strong and overbearing with an ego to go along with it.
Amazing how life's experiences (the up's and down's of life) can make a person realize they're not the center of the universe .
If the GB were forced to live in the real world instead of their "cushy, protected estate", I suspect they might have a little more compassion for the R&F. On second thought, maybe not?;)
 

Seadog

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This elder moved to Taiwan with his family 30 yrs ago. It was a relief for the whole congregation. It was perfect place because he wasn't able to speak the language. In all seriousness....I don't know for sure but something tells me he is a different person because he's had a lot of time to reflect where things might have gone wrong since his 42 yr old son committed suicide about 5 years ago.
Seems these are not unusual events M. An elder in a cong I served in years ago was pompous and overbearing. A bully really. After I’d been there 12 months I learned his 19 year old son committed suicide. He never mentioned it and I learned from someone else. His two daughters were well past marrying age and lived together. Too afraid of men to go near them is my take. I believe his judgement awaits.
 

Proverbs 14 v 15

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I never lost my faith away from watchtower. It didn’t grow, admittedly, but neither did it die. I just had no where to go with it and the time was not right. What did ignite it was your site. I’m not afraid to say that. It gave meaning to the bible and the learning necessary to build faith. Faith is something no one can provide another. But the correct tools are necessary and those tools are simple truth. You know that we know the correct position you hold in this act of altruism, so there is no inappropriate servitude given or expected - just as it should be, but along with that there is the brotherhood in unity with the truth. That in itself is a reward given to very few. There is no true brotherhood without truth. We may only be a speck of dust compared with the world population, but we have insight. And that is from Jehovah. Can there be anything of more value that leads to life? It is the embryo of love.
That's all so true what you've said here, I didn't lose anything spiritually either when I started to draw away, but finding other brothers and sisters who feel the same way as me has definitely picked me back up again. Also, I've been listening to Roberts book Jehovah has become King and considering it's 14yrs old it's incredible how so much of what he brings out of the Bible especially the minor prophets is exactly what's been happening recently and now. I really feel like Jehovah is "feeding" me again 😍
 

SusanB

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That's all so true what you've said here, I didn't lose anything spiritually either when I started to draw away, but finding other brothers and sisters who feel the same way as me has definitely picked me back up again. Also, I've been listening to Roberts book Jehovah has become King and considering it's 14yrs old it's incredible how so much of what he brings out of the Bible especially the minor prophets is exactly what's been happening recently and now. I really feel like Jehovah is "feeding" me again 😍
Me too. It’s the same feeling I had when first learning the bible!
 

Charming Primrose

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I had 4 kids too, and when my oldest wanted to get baptised at 15 I knew he wasn't ready but he was just wanting to follow his friend. I spoke to the elder dad of said friend and asked if they could put my son "on hold" for 6 months as I didn't feel he was ready and the elder told me it wasn't up to me, I didn't have any say in the matter, it was up to the elders 😠 I was so angry at their arrogance and for taking my parental rights away from me. So, good on Norway for stepping in..
The elders should let the parents of young people have some say about their child being baptized. You know your children ! Did you get baptized or did he hold off?
 

Proverbs 14 v 15

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Me too. It’s the same feeling I had when first learning the bible!
Yes! I was only thinking the exact same thing a few days ago when I started Roberts book! The thing is, if the things Robert is bringing out from the Bible are not true, would we get the "feelings" that we do? Jehovah loves us does he not? So surely Jehovah would give us some kind of a sign that we're now going the "wrong" way, wouldn't he? 🤔
 

Ana

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He got baptised but drifted away 4 years later because he wasn't strong enough to withstand the rubbish we have to go through on our journey..
Yo me bauticé con 12 años y era lo habitual. A los 18 tras pasar el pasaje del terror congregacional, me intenté suicidar y dejé la WT. Cuando Robert escribió su libro no me digas como lo encontré, pero retomé el estudio profundo en la Biblia y las reservas de fe explotaron. Y aquí estamos, a Dios gracias!! A veces cuando se pierde, se gana!!❤️
 

kenmuldoon55

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While we are speculating, perhaps the reason Tony Morris was relieved of duty is because of his hardline stance against tight pants. Maybe with all the new light on dress and grooming the next Update will relax the ban on tight pants. :unsure:

He got baptised but drifted away 4 years later because he wasn't strong enough to withstand the rubbish we have to go through on our journey..
Jesus set the example for baptism. Was he 30 years old when he was?
WT is more interested in having the appearance of being a growing organization than whether anyone is truly ready for taking that big step.
Anyone can fake their way through the whole JW 100 question process just as a student passing a test for school. Like a dog doing tricks to impress the elders. Is it still 100 questions? Shows how long I’ve been out.
Young folks have a lot of growing up to do before making such a decision. Get things out of their system.
 

Neoluna

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I lived across the street from an elder like this. If I bought something new I felt I had to sneak it in my house. One time when I told him I was going out of state to see my grandmother cause she was at the end of her life ….his words to me was…. Let the dead bury the dead you need to be out in service.
You are kidding me. Its unbelievable what comes out of the shepherds mouths. Unbelievable
 

Neoluna

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What is sad is I bought into it …I did go see my grandmother and it was the last time I saw her…while visiting her I felt guilty that I was doing something wrong.
Melinda i normally would not believe any of this however i think everyone has something similar to tell. Maybe we need to start a new discussion about odd and inappropriate things elders have said and done. I could write a book but its to depressing. My wife studied for about 2 years and went thru all kinds of stumbling blocks that the elders would throw out. The last straw was she had an unbaptized publisher meeting with two elders. They had it at one of the elders house. We showed up dressed in our kingdom hall attire. The one elder walks down his hallway in his pajamas and sits down and conducts the meeting in his pajamas. the other elder had blue jeans on. I kid you not, his pajamas. I was astounded. i couldnt believe it. My wife left that meeting and has never returned. I told this elder he needed to say something to my wife. Crickets. you literally cant make this stuff up
 

Melinda

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Melinda i normally would not believe any of this however i think everyone has something similar to tell. Maybe we need to start a new discussion about odd and inappropriate things elders have said and done. I could write a book but its to depressing. My wife studied for about 2 years and went thru all kinds of stumbling blocks that the elders would throw out. The last straw was she had an unbaptized publisher meeting with two elders. They had it at one of the elders house. We showed up dressed in our kingdom hall attire. The one elder walks down his hallway in his pajamas and sits down and conducts the meeting in his pajamas. the other elder had blue jeans on. I kid you not, his pajamas. I was astounded. i couldnt believe it. My wife left that meeting and has never returned. I told this elder he needed to say something to my wife. Crickets. you literally cant make this stuff up
These brothers have lasting influence on Jehovah's people. I remember after this elder moved away....I went to see a brother and sister who lived across the street as well. He and his wife moved out in the country and faded away. I knew it was mainly because of this one elder. I went to see them to let them know this elder was gone and I wished that they would return. I will never for get what the husband said to me. He said "Harry is like "RAID" once you spray Raid the poison stays around for along time". They never did return.
 

Melinda

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These brothers have lasting influence on Jehovah's people. I remember after this elder moved away....I went to see a brother and sister who lived across the street as well. He and his wife moved out in the country and faded away. I knew it was mainly because of this one elder. I went to see them to let them know this elder was gone and I wished that they would return. I will never for get what the husband said to me. He said "Harry is like "RAID" once you spray Raid the poison stays around for along time". They never did return.
Neoluna if you write that book heres another for you. That same elder this is what he did to the couple I just mentioned above. In the early 80's when VCR's first came out....they cost about $800.00 at that time. This brother bought a VCR. That elder thought it was so ridiculous to spend that kind of money not to mention the time it would take away to watch movies...This elder gave a special needs talk to the congregation about VCR's without using the word VCR. Everyone knew who he targeted. What made it worse is since we were all neighbors...every Sunday afternoon especially during the winter this brother would invite us over to watch movies. Guess who never missed....you guessed it...That Elder that gave the talk.
 
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Watchman

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I got one for you. Back in the 80s in Texas, you had to have an annual vehicle inspection. I drove an old pickup truck and for some reason (I can't remember) it didn't pass inspection. Anyway, it was the only vehicle I had at the time so I drove to the Kingdom Hall to meet for field service. As the group is in the parking lot dispersing to go the territories the visiting circuit overseer notices the expired inspection sticker on the windshield of my junker. He went ballistic. He ordered me to get in my truck and immediately drive home and not drive it again until I was legal.

Funny thing though, I never did get it legal. Not long afterward some arsonist tossed a lit flair into the cab and torched it.
 

Paula

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I lived across the street from an elder like this. If I bought something new I felt I had to sneak it in my house. One time when I told him I was going out of state to see my grandmother cause she was at the end of her life ….his words to me was…. Let the dead bury the dead you need to be out in service.
🥵 I heard that statement a few times. I could never get over how insensitive the organisation could make some brothers and sisters. I remember my gran looked after my grandad and his health was so she could not leave him for the two hours. She hadn't been for about a year - and all they kept saying is that she had left the Truth. My mum wasnt having any of this. She told them that she has never left the Truth but to leave a dying husband who could easily choke to death would be blood guilty as a wife. I think going through the the Second World War, and having no Wealthfare system made them stronger and would argue with the elders. They were strong woman who wouldn't be stumbled.
 
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