Has Israel been cast out? A response

[kirmmy]

“No,” said the rabbi. “They put the Jewish bodies into the walls and used them as bricks.”
My father was something of a handyman at the time, and this seemed to me a serious violation of basic building codes, not to mention a surefire way to lose a home sale.

His Dad was right. It's absolutely bunk. Corpses don't serve well as structural members. It's all the rotting and stuff...it creates a void which doesn't support bupkis. I imagine the smell would be somewhat distracting as well.

I take it the Author isn't much of a fan of God. Someone should tune him in to the fact that a "vast mixed company" left Egypt with the Israelites. So some Egyptians obviously saw the power of God and acted accordingly. Someone should also tell him that something similar is going to happen at the end of this system. God NEVER takes pleasure in the death of the wicked. We've seen 1000s of years of his forbearance but he has his limits. His patience is running out...and not in the Joe Bribem meaning of the term. As RK has pointed out, he's going to give everyone a very important chance to turn around soon. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the two witnesses will give powerful testimony to encourage joining with those who are waiting for Christ's kingdom. Like the Egyptians, people are going to witness wonders and be given a thorough witness to repent, turn around and follow the direction to do what is required to enter the Kingdom.

@Outcast; RR is that you?! I respect your opinion but I've come to other conclusions...and yes I've read Romans 9-11. There are many on this Web site who are much more qualified to discuss this with you...even some of the Anointed. I just can't agree with you that the Jews are God's chosen people and mean anything to Jehovah anymore.

 

[Outcast]

His Dad was right. It's absolutely bunk. Corpses don't serve well as structural members. It's all the rotting and stuff...it creates a void which doesn't support bupkis. I imagine the smell would be somewhat distracting as well.

I take it the Author isn't much of a fan of God. Someone should tune him in to the fact that a "vast mixed company" left Egypt with the Israelites. So some Egyptians obviously saw the power of God and acted accordingly. Someone should also tell him that something similar is going to happen at the end of this system. God NEVER takes pleasure in the death of the wicked. We've seen 1000s of years of his forbearance but he has his limits. His patience is running out...and not in the Joe Bribem meaning of the term. As RK has pointed out, he's going to give everyone a very important chance to turn around soon. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the two witnesses will give powerful testimony to encourage joining with those who are waiting for Christ's kingdom. Like the Egyptians, people are going to witness wonders and be given a thorough witness to repent, turn around and follow the direction to do what is required to enter the Kingdom.

@Outcast; RR is that you?! I respect your opinion but I've come to other conclusions...and yes I've read Romans 9-11. There are many on this Web site who are much more qualified to discuss this with you...even some of the Anointed. I just can't agree with you that the Jews are God's chosen people and mean anything to Jehovah anymore.

Hi Kirmmy.

No, I'm not RR144.

From what he wrote in his initial post I'm gathering he believes 1914 was the end of the Gentile Times which I do not agree with. (In fact, it was my questioning of the 1914 doctrine around 2003 or 2004 that led to my eventual departure from the Watchtower, and it was how I somehow stumbled upon e-watchman.com not long afterwards.)

As I was brought up a JW, I believed what they taught about the Jews; and I continued believing that until about 10 years ago.

I tended to skip over Romans 9-11 almost as if it weren't part of the Bible (!) - much like how one might skip over the Apocryphal Books that are sometimes included in some Bibles (e.g. Maccabees 1&2, Esdras, Book of Tobit, etc.).

But when I started reading it and considering it, I simply couldn't make the Square Peg of my beliefs fit into the Round Hole of the truth. I was forced to reassess my beliefs (not the first time since leaving the JWs!). Once I accepted what I was reading, I found other "difficult" passages related to the subject (directly, or indirectly) became clearer.

I know you've said there are "more qualified people to discuss this issue" here; but no one really has, unfortunately.

Nevermind.

I'm still interested in hearing your thoughts, all the same; regardless of whether you feel "qualified" or not...

For instance, how do you read Romans 11:25...?? Why do you think Jehovah wrote that? What does it mean to you? What if an unbeliever or a non-JW Christian asked you what it meant; how would you respond?

 

[kirmmy]

25 I want you to understand this secret, brothers and sisters, so you will understand that you do not know everything: Part of Israel has been made stubborn, but that will change when many who are not Jews have come to God. NCV

And that is exactly what happened. Didn't Paul say something about the Jews being jealous of the new gentile Christians? It still doesn't mean that the Jews as a nation would be accepted by God. As individuals they had the same opportunity as any one else.

I've got to ask: What is the end of your argument? What are you getting to? That modern day Israel will play some part in prophecy? That modern day Israel is anything other than another messed up nation?

 

[Outcast]

25 I want you to understand this secret, brothers and sisters, so you will understand that you do not know everything: Part of Israel has been made stubborn, but that will change when many who are not Jews have come to God. NCV

And that is exactly what happened. Didn't Paul say something about the Jews being jealous of the new gentile Christians? It still doesn't mean that the Jews as a nation would be accepted by God. As individuals they had the same opportunity as any one else.

I've got to ask: What is the end of your argument? What are you getting to? That modern day Israel will play some part in prophecy? That modern day Israel is anything other than another messed up nation?

To be sure, the NCV translates that verse terribly. The original Greek includes the word "plērōma" which means "fulness, filled, completed". The NCV fails to convey that important thought; in fact, it is a thoroughly dishonest translation as "many" clearly does not mean "all" or "complete". See for yourself how other translations put that verse: https://biblehub.com/romans/11-25.htm

The point is: This prophecy will not occur "until the full number of people of the nations has come in" (NWT).

It's easy for us to say "they had [have] the same opportunity as anyone else" - but not according to the Bible which says "A partial dulling of senses has come upon Israel". This "partial dulling of senses" means they don't have the full capacity to understand the truth about Jesus. They're currently incapable of perceiving the truth about Jesus. They may have the same opportunity, but not the same capacity.

(Of course, many Jews have come to faith - but they are the exception rather than the rule; the far majority of Christians throughout the world are Gentiles, and I'd hazard to say that, proportionally, that is also the case.)


In regards to your questions:

"What is the end of your argument? What are you getting to?"

The point of what I've written is to share my understanding on the subject raised by RR144 - which I've tried to do by appealing to scripture so everyone can examine what I've written and compare it to the Truth of God's Word.


"That modern day Israel will play some part in prophecy? That modern day Israel is anything other than another messed up nation?"

I don't know the answer to those questions. I am content to "wait & see" how the prophecy of Romans 9-11 unfolds. My focus is primarily on what the Bible says about this subject, not necessarily on what the Nation-State of modern-day Israel is currently doing. What I do know is what Jehovah wrote in Romans 9-11, what Jesus said in Matt 23, and what all of the prophets said in the Hebrew Scriptures. And that is: "God did not reject his people, whom he first recognized." (Rom 11:2).

 

[Outcast]

At this hour it seems appropriate to revisit this Discussion.

Here's a rhetorical question:

If the physical nation of Israel has been permanently rejected & abandoned by Jehovah, if it no longer has any place in the outworking of His plan, and for all intents & purposes has been eternally discarded, why is Jesus Christ known now, and forevermore, as "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah" (Rev 5:5)?

Paul wrote:

"concerning [Jehovah's] Son, who came to be from the offspring of David according to the flesh, but who with power was declared God’s Son according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead yes, Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 1:3-4

And

"To [the Israelites] the forefathers belong, and from them the Christ descended according to the flesh." Rom 9:5

Jesus is God's Son - but Jehovah isn't Jewish. Jesus' Jewish ancestry is "according to the flesh" - which means the title "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah" refers, and inseparably links Jesus forever, to PHYSICAL Israel. It confirms that the physical Jews are (still) Jesus' "brothers".

Considering Jesus bases his judgement of Matt 25 on the way a person treats "the least of" His brothers, we all should be very careful of how we view & treat the physical Jews.

(Of course this also applies to Christ's Christian brothers, too; indeed we must aim to treat ALL people well if we want to cover all bases. But it's especially relevant in this hour as we're witnessing a particularly violent & threatening antisemitism spreading rapidly throughout the world.)

Some here have argued that Satan might be targeting the Jews as part of an old, irrelevant "grudge". I would argue that Satan is targeting the Jews precisely because they are - despite their faults - still God's people. (Christians are also God's people - so we can be assured tribulation & persecution are headed our way soon too.)

"I ask, then, God did not reject his people, did he? By no means! ... God did not reject his people, whom he first recognized." Rom 11:1-2

 

[Watchman]

At this hour it seems appropriate to revisit this Discussion.

Here's a rhetorical question:

If the physical nation of Israel has been permanently rejected & abandoned by Jehovah, if it no longer has any place in the outworking of His plan, and for all intents & purposes has been eternally discarded, why is Jesus Christ known now, and forevermore, as "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah" (Rev 5:5)?

Paul wrote:

"concerning [Jehovah's] Son, who came to be from the offspring of David according to the flesh, but who with power was declared God’s Son according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead yes, Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 1:3-4

And

"To [the Israelites] the forefathers belong, and from them the Christ descended according to the flesh." Rom 9:5

Jesus is God's Son - but Jehovah isn't Jewish. Jesus' Jewish ancestry is "according to the flesh" - which means the title "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah" refers, and inseparably links Jesus forever, to PHYSICAL Israel. It confirms that the physical Jews are (still) Jesus' "brothers".

Considering Jesus bases his judgement of Matt 25 on the way a person treats "the least of" His brothers, we all should be very careful of how we view & treat the physical Jews.

(Of course this also applies to Christ's Christian brothers, too; indeed we must aim to treat ALL people well if we want to cover all bases. But it's especially relevant in this hour as we're witnessing a particularly violent & threatening antisemitism spreading rapidly throughout the world.)

Some here have argued that Satan might be targeting the Jews as part of an old, irrelevant "grudge". I would argue that Satan is targeting the Jews precisely because they are - despite their faults - still God's people. (Christians are also God's people - so we can be assured tribulation & persecution are headed our way soon too.)

"I ask, then, God did not reject his people, did he? By no means! ... God did not reject his people, whom he first recognized." Rom 11:1-2

Jesus was a Jew. The word "Jew," although applied to all the people of Israel, originally applied to the people of Judah, which, of course, was the kingly tribe. Jesus was an heir of Judah and also a descendant of David which placed him in line for the throne. Jesus became the king of Israel by virtue of his being anointed. However, because he was anointed and ascended to heaven after his resurrection, his right to the throne of Israel was transferred with him. However, the Israel over which he is King is not the physical nation. It is the spiritual Israel that derived from the physical. When Jesus told his disciples that during the re-creation they would sit upon 12 thrones and judge the 12 tribes of Israel, they may have originally imagined Jesus was talking about literal Israel. However, we know that the Kingdom will rule the world and even the angels will be subject to it.

In all probability, the state of Israel, which is now in the process of killing one child every six minutes in Gaza, seemingly intentionally enraging millions of their Arab, Turkish and Persian neighbors, will be destroyed. That will certainly be a repudiation of the entire Evangelical movement which hitched its wagon to the British Empire's Zionism. According to the prophets, every hill must be leveled to prepare for Jehovah's grand entrance onto the world's stage. The Evangelical movement, with their Jesus-is-god, rapture, Zionist claptrap, ought to be leveled flat out. And of course, so will the Watchtower.

 

[Carl]

Some here have argued that Satan might be targeting the Jews as part of an old, irrelevant "grudge". I would argue that Satan is targeting the Jews precisely because they are - despite their faults - still God's people. (Christians are also God's people - so we can be assured tribulation & persecution are headed our way soon too.)

Whether or not they're still God's people is

At this hour it seems appropriate to revisit this Discussion.

Here's a rhetorical question:

If the physical nation of Israel has been permanently rejected & abandoned by Jehovah, if it no longer has any place in the outworking of His plan, and for all intents & purposes has been eternally discarded, why is Jesus Christ known now, and forevermore, as "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah" (Rev 5:5)?

Paul wrote:

"concerning [Jehovah's] Son, who came to be from the offspring of David according to the flesh, but who with power was declared God’s Son according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead yes, Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 1:3-4

And

"To [the Israelites] the forefathers belong, and from them the Christ descended according to the flesh." Rom 9:5

Jesus is God's Son - but Jehovah isn't Jewish. Jesus' Jewish ancestry is "according to the flesh" - which means the title "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah" refers, and inseparably links Jesus forever, to PHYSICAL Israel. It confirms that the physical Jews are (still) Jesus' "brothers".

Considering Jesus bases his judgement of Matt 25 on the way a person treats "the least of" His brothers, we all should be very careful of how we view & treat the physical Jews.

(Of course this also applies to Christ's Christian brothers, too; indeed we must aim to treat ALL people well if we want to cover all bases. But it's especially relevant in this hour as we're witnessing a particularly violent & threatening antisemitism spreading rapidly throughout the world.)

Some here have argued that Satan might be targeting the Jews as part of an old, irrelevant "grudge". I would argue that Satan is targeting the Jews precisely because they are - despite their faults - still God's people. (Christians are also God's people - so we can be assured tribulation & persecution are headed our way soon too.)

"I ask, then, God did not reject his people, did he? By no means! ... God did not reject his people, whom he first recognized." Rom 11:1-2

Zionism is a controversial topic, even on this forum. Some call you an anti-Semite if you even mention Zionism the wrong way. I've talked about this with my son a lot. Christian Zionists believe modern believing Jews are still under the old covenant, and thus don't need Jesus as their savior. I believe this is a satanic lie meant to trap them in a fulfilled covenant, and trick them into following the 8th king. EVERYONE needs Jesus! Period, end of discussion. The anti-Semitism we see is fostered by Satan's followers who were Jews, Christians, Muslims... but now owe their allegiance to him.

I believe Satan is using his agents to stoke anti-Semitism and anti-Israel sentiments, in order to destabilize the world... "order out of chaos." I believe Jehovah loves us all equally, not because of what tribe we come from. He choose Abraham and his descendants in order to bring us Jesus. Once Jesus fulfilled the old covenant, the Hebrews became just like everyone else... a people who need salvation through Jesus.

 

[KingdomLeast]

. Even before Hitler put the Jews in the concentration camps, Lord Rothschild's had offered them money and land in Palestine for them to take up occupancy but they refused, it was going to take much more than that for them to leave their long established businesses. So after the war it was the prime opportunity to get the Jews to accept Rothschild's offer, being penniless they had little choice.

Actually, the Jews initially rejected the idea because they felt they would return to Israel AFTER their Messiah had returned.

Also, the initial land that they were offered was not Israel, it was somewhere in Africa, and Herzl agreed to accept this land, but it was rejected by the majority.

 

[KingdomLeast]

i don’t know very much about the topic- but my views are that since the birth records were destroyed it’s impossible to ident Jews to their respective tribes in order to positively trace a line through David to a foretold Messiah so i don’t subscribe to Messianic Judaism.

Kinda late to this party, but don't you think Jehovah would know who was from what tribe? Also consider that the Jews have been a mix people from the beginning. Even from their exodus, some Egyptians fled with them. There were outsiders who accept the Jewish God and joined them.

 

[KingdomLeast]

Christian Zionists believe modern believing Jews are still under the old covenant, and thus don't need Jesus as their savior.

Here's an interesting article I just found while doing some research:

Why Christian Zionists Really Support Israel

On May 23, pastors, ministers and priests at more than 1,500 churches in all 50 states and over 50 foreign countries will dedicate their Sunday services to teaching the importance of Christian support for Israel. On that day — the second annual Christians United for Israel Sunday — church...

forward.com

 

[kirmmy]

In all probability, the state of Israel, which is now in the process of killing one child every six minutes in Gaza, seemingly intentionally enraging millions of their Arab, Turkish and Persian neighbors, will be destroyed.

The Israelis have nukes. If they're going to be destroyed they will use them.

In regards to your questions:

"What is the end of your argument? What are you getting to?"

The point of what I've written is to share my understanding on the subject raised by RR144 - which I've tried to do by appealing to scripture so everyone can examine what I've written and compare it to the Truth of God's Word.


"That modern day Israel will play some part in prophecy? That modern day Israel is anything other than another messed up nation?"

I don't know the answer to those questions. I am content to "wait & see" how the prophecy of Romans 9-11 unfolds. My focus is primarily on what the Bible says about this subject, not necessarily on what the Nation-State of modern-day Israel is currently doing. What I do know is what Jehovah wrote in Romans 9-11, what Jesus said in Matt 23, and what all of the prophets said in the Hebrew Scriptures. And that is: "God did not reject his people, whom he first recognized." (Rom 11:2).

Are you RR144? I find it strange that a new member comes in, and immediately starts commenting on a old thread talking about how the Jews are still God's chosen people. They're not, BTW. They had their chance and they blew it. Jehovah has wholly rejected them as murderers of his son and people that said "We have no king but Ceasar" (John 19:15). Their existence means nothing today. They've been replaced. That doesn't mean that Jews couldn't accept Christ and come into his arrangement as individuals. That's where Paul's words at Romans 11:1-2 come in.

I'm not sure why you're putting forth his nonsense. Modern day Jews are dead to Jehovah and he has nothing to do with them, except as individuals. As individuals they have the same opportunities as everyone else.

Some here have argued that Satan might be targeting the Jews as part of an old, irrelevant "grudge". I would argue that Satan is targeting the Jews precisely because they are - despite their faults - still God's people. (Christians are also God's people - so we can be assured tribulation & persecution are headed our way soon too.)

If they are put forth by the nutty, religious evangelists of this world as fulfilling prophecy, then it will be satan trying to mislead the people. If satan has to target them to cause more confusion and BS, we know what he'll do.

Here's the scripture you quoted, in context, from the 2001 translation:
Brothers, I don’t want you to ignore this mystery, so you don’t become too wise in your own eyes:IsraEl was allowed to become calloused until the full number of gentiles came in.26Yet, this is how all IsraEl is going to be saved!For it’s written:‘A Savior will come out of Zion, And remove from Jacob, his godless ways. 27Yes, this is My promise to them, After I’ve removed all their sins.’ [Isaiah 59:20-21, LXX]

So how is Israel going to be saved? By accepting God's son, Jesus Christ. Has modern Isreal done this as a nation? You know the answer.

 

[kirmmy]

Coincidentally, I was just about to read this article today before I commented:

Are the Jews Still God’s ‘Chosen People’? | 2001 Commentaries

So if you can't take RK's Biblical analysis of the question, for whatever reason, here you have a second witness.

 

[Watchman]

The Israelis have nukes. If they're going to be destroyed they will use them.

One of the challenges facing Israel is that Hezbollah is right on their border. And there are 100,000 trained and armed members of Allah's army. If they blitzed Israel nukes would be of no value since Israel would be nuking itself

 

[kirmmy]

One of the challenges facing Israel is that Hezbollah is right on their border. And there are 100,000 trained and armed members of Allah's army. If they blitzed Israel nukes would be of no value since Israel would be nuking itself

True enough but the term pyrrhic victory may end up applying.

 

[Patricia]

One of the challenges facing Israel is that Hezbollah is right on their border. And there are 100,000 trained and armed members of Allah's army. If they blitzed Israel nukes would be of no value since Israel would be nuking itself

Isn't that why it's called the Sampson option?

 

[MickHewitt]

Isn't that why it's called the Sampson option?

Samson was blessed with a wonderful response from Jehovah....I doubt and I believe you doubt too that since Israel has been judged by Christ to have it's Nation taken away and given to those producing it's fruit will have no such miracle afforded them! They are using scripture to allude them. How blessed we are to have reason of scripture upon us? We have worked out their Sephardic, Ashkenazi Jewish, British backed Zionist roots!

 

[Nomex]

a old thread talking about how the Jews are still God's chosen people. They're not, BTW. They had their chance and they blew it. Jehovah has wholly rejected them as murderers of his son and people that said "We have no king but Ceasar" (John 19:15).

I couldn't agree more, and this is why I keep pointing out, that people don't use their discernment, but rather they run around in circles trying to make simple things complicated. All we have to do is go back to what Jehovah told Abraham. "By means of your seed, all nations will be blessed because you have obeyed me." What did that mean? It meant the Messiah was going to come through Abraham's offspring, and that's all it meant. That's why when the Jews were given the Mosaic covenant, they were told they would be blessed as long as they obeyed God, and that they would be cursed if they did not. They did not, end of story and the end of the discussion. Remember when Moses came down from Mt. Sinai and they were worshiper the Golden Calf, Jehovah threaten to wipe them all out, and bring the Messiah through Moses seed, who was not of the tribe of Judah, he was the tribe of Levite the priestly tribe. And you are also 100% that the Jews can become Christians if the accept Jesus who who he really was, but to be a Jew means you reject Jehovah's son!

 

[SollaSollew]

Gish Gallop

 

[Summit]

At this hour it seems appropriate to revisit this Discussion.

Here's a rhetorical question:

If the physical nation of Israel has been permanently rejected & abandoned by Jehovah, if it no longer has any place in the outworking of His plan, and for all intents & purposes has been eternally discarded, why is Jesus Christ known now, and forevermore, as "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah" (Rev 5:5)?

Paul wrote:

"concerning [Jehovah's] Son, who came to be from the offspring of David according to the flesh, but who with power was declared God’s Son according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead yes, Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 1:3-4

And

"To [the Israelites] the forefathers belong, and from them the Christ descended according to the flesh." Rom 9:5

Jesus is God's Son - but Jehovah isn't Jewish. Jesus' Jewish ancestry is "according to the flesh" - which means the title "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah" refers, and inseparably links Jesus forever, to PHYSICAL Israel. It confirms that the physical Jews are (still) Jesus' "brothers".

Considering Jesus bases his judgement of Matt 25 on the way a person treats "the least of" His brothers, we all should be very careful of how we view & treat the physical Jews.

(Of course this also applies to Christ's Christian brothers, too; indeed we must aim to treat ALL people well if we want to cover all bases. But it's especially relevant in this hour as we're witnessing a particularly violent & threatening antisemitism spreading rapidly throughout the world.)

Some here have argued that Satan might be targeting the Jews as part of an old, irrelevant "grudge". I would argue that Satan is targeting the Jews precisely because they are - despite their faults - still God's people. (Christians are also God's people - so we can be assured tribulation & persecution are headed our way soon too.)

"I ask, then, God did not reject his people, did he? By no means! ... God did not reject his people, whom he first recognized." Rom 11:1-2

I think you should define what Jew means in your question, because you are using the word to define the past Israelite nation, and equating it with the modern day group who call themselves Jew, and they are not the same. You also equate Gods people with Christians today and while that is obviously true, the world views the word Christian to believe in a trinitarian God.

Thus the majority of the world who call themselves Christian, are completely different from an actual Christian who believes and follows the one true God Jehovah. The word Christian has been plagiarized from true Christianity and given to a group of people who neither know Jehovah or his son. The term Jew today is no different, as respects being taken from a group of people who did represent Jehovah prior to Jesus Christ, and is now given to a people who also do not know Jehovah or Jesus Christ.

With that in mind then, I think we should allow the scriptures to define what those words mean, as that should be the only standard we compare anything to.

“. . .For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God.” (Ro 2:28-29)

“. . .yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction...between Jew and Greek” (Ro 3:22, 10:12)


“. . .There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus.” (Ga 3:28)

Judaism from a religious standpoint was destroyed when Jesus Christ fulfilled the law. It was done, and no longer valid in Jehovahs eyes, which is the only view that matters. But your question also asks whether we shouldn't be careful how we view and treat the physical Jews. The bible clearly states that there is no distinction anymore between the Jew and any other foreign nations. Your question elevates a people above others when in fact we should be careful how we treat everybody, not just those you call 'physical' jews. Your question highlights the problem in a nutshell regarding what is wrong with how the people who call themselves jews view themselves. Anytime somebody thinks they are better than somebody else there will be problems. Not only with entitlement, but also how they view those who are not of the same ideology with disdain.

You quote Romans 11:1-2 talking of the Israelite nation being first recognized, however the scriptures are also quite clear regarding this.

“. . .He does away with what is first that he may establish what is second.” (Heb 10:9)

Thus being first recognized by God carries no weight anymore as to how God views the Israelite nation.

I could go on, but I feel like your questions are loaded with an agenda to incite something rather than truly understand.

 

[MickHewitt]

But he is a Jew who is one on the inside

I was going to reply with this scripture to Outcast but when I noticed it was a rhetorical reply I held back.