kirmmy
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The Israelis have nukes. If they're going to be destroyed they will use them.In all probability, the state of Israel, which is now in the process of killing one child every six minutes in Gaza, seemingly intentionally enraging millions of their Arab, Turkish and Persian neighbors, will be destroyed.
Are you RR144? I find it strange that a new member comes in, and immediately starts commenting on a old thread talking about how the Jews are still God's chosen people. They're not, BTW. They had their chance and they blew it. Jehovah has wholly rejected them as murderers of his son and people that said "We have no king but Ceasar" (John 19:15). Their existence means nothing today. They've been replaced. That doesn't mean that Jews couldn't accept Christ and come into his arrangement as individuals. That's where Paul's words at Romans 11:1-2 come in.In regards to your questions:
"What is the end of your argument? What are you getting to?"
The point of what I've written is to share my understanding on the subject raised by RR144 - which I've tried to do by appealing to scripture so everyone can examine what I've written and compare it to the Truth of God's Word.
"That modern day Israel will play some part in prophecy? That modern day Israel is anything other than another messed up nation?"
I don't know the answer to those questions. I am content to "wait & see" how the prophecy of Romans 9-11 unfolds. My focus is primarily on what the Bible says about this subject, not necessarily on what the Nation-State of modern-day Israel is currently doing. What I do know is what Jehovah wrote in Romans 9-11, what Jesus said in Matt 23, and what all of the prophets said in the Hebrew Scriptures. And that is: "God did not reject his people, whom he first recognized." (Rom 11:2).
I'm not sure why you're putting forth his nonsense. Modern day Jews are dead to Jehovah and he has nothing to do with them, except as individuals. As individuals they have the same opportunities as everyone else.
If they are put forth by the nutty, religious evangelists of this world as fulfilling prophecy, then it will be satan trying to mislead the people. If satan has to target them to cause more confusion and BS, we know what he'll do.Some here have argued that Satan might be targeting the Jews as part of an old, irrelevant "grudge". I would argue that Satan is targeting the Jews precisely because they are - despite their faults - still God's people. (Christians are also God's people - so we can be assured tribulation & persecution are headed our way soon too.)
Here's the scripture you quoted, in context, from the 2001 translation:
Brothers, I don’t want you to ignore this mystery, so you don’t become too wise in your own eyes:IsraEl was allowed to become calloused until the full number of gentiles came in.26Yet, this is how all IsraEl is going to be saved!For it’s written:‘A Savior will come out of Zion, And remove from Jacob, his godless ways. 27Yes, this is My promise to them, After I’ve removed all their sins.’ [Isaiah 59:20-21, LXX]
So how is Israel going to be saved? By accepting God's son, Jesus Christ. Has modern Isreal done this as a nation? You know the answer.