Has Satan been cast down?

Watchman

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I suggested it was possible. Now I doubt it. What we know for sure is that it did not happen in 1914. Satan basically faked his own demise. He is that clever. That, of course, is all part of the Watchtower's grand delusion that the Kingdom began ruling in 1914, and all of that. The only real marker that allows us to ascertain what has occurred in the invisible will be the crash of the Anglo-American empire. Obviously, that has not happened yet, but it certainly seems that a series of events have been set into motion; albeit, slow motion.
 

Patricia

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I suggested it was possible. Now I doubt it. What we know for sure is that it did not happen in 1914. Satan basically faked his own demise. He is that clever. That, of course, is all part of the Watchtower's grand delusion that the Kingdom began ruling in 1914, and all of that. The only real marker that allows us to ascertain what has occurred in the invisible will be the crash of the Anglo-American empire. Obviously, that has not happened yet, but it certainly seems that a series of events have been set into motion; albeit, slow motion.
This is just my observations and I'm known to be wrong about stuff, but I think you might have been right the first time. I can't get over the feeling like evil is on steroids the past few years. With all the unprovoked, random acts of violence. It's truly getting to the point, in some areas of this country,(US), that people are afraid to leave their homes. I don't know of any other way to explain what we're seeing. I know that people are capable of a lot of evil on their own but.... Idunno.... If he has been cast down we should know for sure pretty soon. Just a thought.
 

DR74minus

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He wrote an article in October 2021, based on a verse in Rev about the Devis standing on the sands of the sea after he’s been thrown down

I had a quick look at other translations. Out of 21 others only 2 agree somewhat with the NWT "And it, stood still on the sand of the sea", Rev 13:1. If Satan has been kicked out of heaven then we're in the heat zone and things will soon get much worse and at least one other major aspect of prophesy can't be far off from being fulfilled?, ( The sword stroke ), If not. Then maybe there is still some watching to do?
 
I suggested it was possible. Now I doubt it. What we know for sure is that it did not happen in 1914. Satan basically faked his own demise. He is that clever. That, of course, is all part of the Watchtower's grand delusion that the Kingdom began ruling in 1914, and all of that. The only real marker that allows us to ascertain what has occurred in the invisible will be the crash of the Anglo-American empire. Obviously, that has not happened yet, but it certainly seems that a series of events have been set into motion; albeit, slow motion.
As you well know, Satan already roams the earth seeking many to devour. I'm just curious what it actually means by him being "cast down". I understand that would include having no access to heaven anymore, but will he have nowhere else to go? Does God confine him to the earth until he is destroyed, or should i say, locked up for the thousand years?
 

Truthseeker

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2 Peter 2:4 speaks of God throwing the angels that sinned into Tartarus...to be reserved for judgment ..this is in the same mention as other things that had already been accomplished/done ... such as Noah and Sodom & Gomorrah.

Then... 1 Peter 3:19-20 Says that after Jesus was resurrected, he preached or heralded to the "spirits who were in prison", who had once been disobedient... when the patience of God was waiting in Noahs day, while the Ark was being constructed".

I always thought...or was taught that this "Tartarus" was the "dense darkness" that Satan & the demons were going to AFTER the GT & 1000 years awaiting to be released to test humans after the 1000 years. But it when you look at 1 Peter 3:19-20 we see differently.

But... it looks like the wicked spirits (or some of them) are already there waiting to be released perhaps at the GT to attack the world. Is this scripture at Rev. 9: 1-11 referring to such a time.. when the pit of the abyss is opened?


Re: the locust that come out at Rev. 9:1-11; (Which is A whole new subject)...I remember The GB teaching about the locust..The Locust were something that the GB took pride in calling themselves along w/all JW's who were to be these locust. Is this correct or was I just not the good little witness listening at the meetings?
 

DR74minus

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Does God confine him to the earth until he is destroyed,
I suspect he will be confined to the vicinity of the earth after he has been barred from heaven, but not until he has been destroyed. His destruction will come after the 1,000 year lock up.
locked up for the thousand years?
This I suspect will happen at Armageddon or shortly thereafter.
 
I suspect he will be confined to the vicinity of the earth after he has been barred from heaven, but not until he has been destroyed. His destruction will come after the 1,000 year lock up.

This I suspect will happen at Armageddon or shortly thereafter.
Maybe I'm fantasizing a little here, but can you imagine being alive at that time, and hearing the news that satan has been destroyed.
 

Ireneo

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The devil is cast out in the third woe
personally I think there is a good chance that NOW he is just finishing the first woe
The lobsters I think fit in with everything that happened
If so, we are about to begin the second woe and the "two witnesses" will be summoned.
I do not fully affirm that it is so, but I am inclined to this idea, very attentive to see if it is confirmed or not
 
The devil is cast out in the third woe
personally I think there is a good chance that NOW he is just finishing the first woe
The lobsters I think fit in with everything that happened
If so, we are about to begin the second woe and the "two witnesses" will be summoned.
I do not fully affirm that it is so, but I am inclined to this idea, very attentive to see if it is confirmed
I think you're suggesting that the scamdemic and all the jib jabs are the first woe. I wouldn't disagree with you there. People are dropping like flies now. A sudden death here...a sudden death there, how bad will it get come winter 🤷‍♂️
 

Ireneo

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There are many similarities between lobsters and what happened
perhaps we are more advanced than we think in the events
with my wife we read Joel a few days ago
the plague of locusts paralyzed the offering in the temple
Hasn't that happened in the pandemic?
here in Argentina are all the vaccinated (punctured) sick
my wife went to the hospital and she is full of sick children
He also went to the cardiologist and it is full of children with heart problems
we never saw so much disease
It is awful
 

DR74minus

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Maybe I'm fantasizing a little here, but can you imagine being alive at that time, and hearing the news that satan has been destroyed.

I'm pleased already with the news that Satan's imminent destruction has been foretold. The test that some of us must soon face has also been foretold. However with Jehovah's help, his true worshipers will survive.
 

Truth_Seeker

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"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"2 Peter 2:4

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."Jude 1:6

"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.
Revelation 20:1‭-‬3‭, ‬

"and the Living one; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades." Revelation 1:18

"All they shall answer and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to Sheol, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst lay low the nations! And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to Sheol, to the uttermost parts of the pit." Isaiah 14:10‭-‬15

"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads." Revelation 9:1‭-‬4

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child."
Revelation 12:9‭, ‬12‭-‬13
"Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them. And Jehovah said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered Jehovah, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thy hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of Jehovah."
Job 1:6‭-‬7‭, ‬12
It doesn't seem that Satan is allowed go back to heaven once being cast down on earth.
 

DR74minus

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It doesn't seem that Satan is allowed go back to heaven once being cast down on earth.

I suspect that would be the case when he gets kicked out of heaven. The "marker" as brother King would say, that gives me a clue that Satan has been kicked out of heaven I have not seen yet.
 
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DR74minus

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There are many similarities between lobsters and what happened
perhaps we are more advanced than we think in the events
with my wife we read Joel a few days ago
the plague of locusts paralyzed the offering in the temple
Hasn't that happened in the pandemic?
here in Argentina are all the vaccinated (punctured) sick
my wife went to the hospital and she is full of sick children
He also went to the cardiologist and it is full of children with heart problems
we never saw so much disease
It is awful

I suspect that Joel is about the second coming of Christ, which is the start of the last days. Not sure if the last days are here yet? There are sure some strange things going on at the minute, the scamdemic, Russia Ukraine, China, Taiwan, Trump raid, etc. Things certainly are developing to where it will be "critical times" Paul did not say that critical times will develop in the last days. But he did say that "...in the last days critical times hard to deal with WILL be here."

I'm in my 70s, nearly blind and crippled, but I don't find the days at the minute "critical" and "hard to deal with" They are getting that way but. So I suspect that Paul was meaning that the days will be rough for everyone?
 

Truth_Seeker

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"And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his throne, and great authority." Revelation 13:2

"And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also an eighth, and is of the seven; and he goeth into perdition. And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour. These have one mind, and they give their power and authority unto the beast. These shall war against the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings; and they also shall overcome that are with him, called and chosen and faithful." Revelation 17:11‭-‬14

Maybe the appearance of the beast can be a great sign, if that is meant to happen shortly after the dragon is cast down to earth.
 

DR74minus

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The "marker", 1 Thes 5:3, I'm watching for has to do with the seventh head of the wild beast. "...he must remain a short while." Rev 17:10. The seventh head "...seemed to have been fatally wounded..." Rev 13:3. I'm watching for the fall of the Anglo/American world power. When that happens, it is the clue for me and maybe you, that Satan has been kicked out of heaven?

I think its something that for most, if not all of us will not go unnoticed?
 
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