Healthcare, Medicine and Science

[Ms_ladyblue]

I think many of you on this forum know the background on these topics and I think it would be of interest for others to know the truth behind these topics. As we haven’t only been lied to by WT about prophecies and other Bible topics but as far as what we’ve been taught by the world as to healthcare, medicine and science it’s been rather warped. For me learning the truth about these matters I dug even further to learn how the human body works. This helped me to really see and understand that the human body is truly a miracle!

But first if you would take the time to listen and watch these Corbett reports there’s a lot to be learned.

Episode 286 - Rockefeller Medicine - The Corbett Report

As Americans fret about the Obamacare website and wonder how the country became enslaved to the highest healthcare costs in the world, we turn back the pages to look at how the modern medical paradigm came together in the early 20th century, courtesy of the Rockefeller Foundation and their...

www.corbettreport.com

The Weaponization of "Science" - The Corbett Report

"Science" is being turned into a political weapon. Not the scientific method, but the reified "science" of scientism, exemplified by the politically-motivated March For Science, the politically-biased peer review process, the politically-charged infotainment from political hacks like Bill Nye...

www.corbettreport.com

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

And the thing is you have to know that the GB/ WT must know these things since they’ve claimed to do so much research into background of these and other topics.

 

[PJ54]

Found this today. So much for how science is used. Plus, the military seems to show where it stands & boy do they love to use science. Just not for our interests.

https://banned.video/watch?id=655b6d331734fe7437926060

https://x.com/ufob0t/status/1726971280874672495?s=20

 

[Carl]

And the thing is you have to know that the GB/ WT must know these things since they’ve claimed to do so much research into background of these and other topics.

The GB/WT has long abandoned neutrality, and chosen a side... the "establishment." They didn't have to side with the conspiracy theorists, even though many are being proven correct. There are plenty of moderate voices of reason like Corbett who they could have listened to, yet they ignored them. They love lies.

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

Because so many people all over the world are affected in some way by this so called health system, medicine, along with it’s other treatments that the so called science of today has supported. It would stand to reason that Jehovah would have had it recorded about in the scriptures.

Well, a few years ago I was doing some research and I realized that there was something in Galatians and Revelation that caught my attention. First, Galatians 5:19,20 says

“Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, SPIRITISM hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects,…

Revelation 18:3,4 says

“For because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, all the nations have fallen victim, and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.” And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “GET OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.”
Well, I ask, what are Jehovah’s people doing being part of BTG anyway? I don’t believe that BTG is only the world empire of false religion. Consider what the word “SPIRITISM“ means as translated in Galatians and Revelation 18:23

“No light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; for your merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, and by your SPIRITISTIC PRACTICES all the nations were misled.”
Here’s the explanation of “SPIRITISM” and “Spiritistic practices” >

> spiritism: Or “sorcery; occultism; use of drugs.” The Greek noun here rendered “spiritism” is phar·ma·kiʹa, which basically refers to “use of drugs.” This Greek term possibly came to be connected with spiritism, magic, or the occult because drugs were used when invoking the power of the demons in order to practice sorcery. The Septuagintused the Greek word phar·ma·kiʹa to render Hebrew words for “magic (arts)”; “secret arts”; and “sorceries.” (Ex 7:11,22; 8:7, 18; Isa 47:9, 12) Paul uses the word to refer to occult practices, which may be suggested by his listing “spiritism” immediately after idolatry. (See Glossary, “Idol; Idolatry.”) The related noun phar·ma·kosʹ is rendered “those practicing spiritism” at Re 21:8.—Re 22:15; see Glossary.

So it makes sense when you think about it. It’s just modern day spiritism in the name of science, although it’s not real science, it’s more like magic. The medical institution also have their symbols or idol, the staff/ rod and the snake. They also call the medical system “medical practices.” And all of these drugs and practices fall under the heading of pharmakia. If you do the research you’ll find it very interesting. Satan the devil is clever and has known how to mislead many of us.

You notice at the end of Revelation 18:23 it says ”by your spiritistic practices ALL THE NATIONS WERE MISLED.”

 

[Jeremiah17:5]

“Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, SPIRITISM hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects,…

Early on .... this was one of my major clues that the whole "vaccine" and the strong stance the GB took was not being inspired by Jehovah. "Works of the flesh" ...or works of men... Especially knowing about the "pharmakia" aspect... But also, the division that the ORG was causing by taking such a one-sided stance. A wiser stance would of been just sticking with "its each Christians decision to make..." Never should they take Any responsibility on health decisions for such a broad group of people with varying health conditions. Maybe even showing a little caution since it was rushed out at such a fast paced and skipped all the normal safety guidelines for making a vaccine. They didn't even hint at a word of caution... or shrewdness
Proverbs 14:15 "naive person believes every word, but the shrewd one ponders each step"
14:18 "Naive will inherit foolishness But the shrewd are crowned with knowledge"

Did they mention praying to Jehovah for wisdom on the matter? Or for guidance and direction...
James 1:5 " So if any of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching"
Or reading the whole chapter of Psalms 91
"For he will rescue you from the trap of the bird catcher, from the destructive pestilence"
Did they consider to mention any of these verses about relying on Jehovah... Praying for protection...praying for wisdom and knowledge...taking refuge in Jehovah and "not relying on your own understanding"

I prayed fervently that I was making the right decisions for me and my family... even though I knew that they were deadly from the beginning... I still didn't want to be caught in a trap of relying on my previous convictions, and my own wisdom... I wanted Jehovah's wisdom and for him to guide me... (this was after the very strong videos from the GB). Shortly after I started to hear of injuries from the vaccine and I was following the VAERS system which would show adverse events.

> spiritism: Or “sorcery; occultism; use of drugs.” The Greek noun here rendered “spiritism” is phar·ma·kiʹa, which basically refers to “use of drugs.” This Greek term possibly came to be connected with spiritism, magic, or the occult because drugs were used when invoking the power of the demons in order to practice sorcery. The Septuagintused the Greek word phar·ma·kiʹa to render Hebrew words for “magic (arts)”; “secret arts”; and “sorceries.” (Ex 7:11,22; 8:7, 18; Isa 47:9, 12) Paul uses the word to refer to occult practices, which may be suggested by his listing “spiritism” immediately after idolatry. (See Glossary, “Idol; Idolatry.”) The related noun phar·ma·kosʹ is rendered “those practicing spiritism” at Re 21:8.—Re 22:15; see Glossary.

I also read this the cited study material which is in the research material on the JW app...

”by your spiritistic practices ALL THE NATIONS WERE MISLED.”

And to me... this seemed like it fit the description of the "vaccine" perfectly. Every nation in the world was misled with this harmful toxin... and it also made sense how even how "in her the blood of phrophets and of holy ones" were found being misled into taking this harmful substance. And how many of those who Gods people have died and will die from this toxin. From the largest merchants in the world...By far the pharmaceutical companies with not only their vaccines but the large amount of drugs that are needed from damage from the vaccine.

 

[Medi-tator]

I prayed fervently that I was making the right decisions for me and my family... even though I knew that they were deadly from the beginning... I still didn't want to be caught in a trap of relying on my previous convictions, and my own wisdom... I wanted Jehovah's wisdom and for him to guide me... (this was after the very strong videos from the GB).

I love it when my brothers and sisters show us what real spirituality is. This is really great Brother John!

 

[Nomex]

I prayed fervently that I was making the right decisions for me and my family... even though I knew that they were deadly from the beginning... I still didn't want to be caught in a trap of relying on my previous convictions, and my own wisdom

Going back to when I was a teenager, I had started to look at things from a very analytical perspective. So for me, I had approached this question, about "relying on my own wisdom", yet the bible very clearly tells us, that we "carry our own load." So while we should not "rely on our own wisdom, still, we all answer to Jehovah individually therefore, we do answer for the way we discern the world, especially if we are educated by the bible.

So around the same time I became a young adult was the same time the movie JFK came out made by Oliver Stone. Around the same time, HBO had published a series of films called the Jim Garrison tapes, all based on the Oliver Stone movie.

Around this same time period, I was also asking myself, "if JW's are correct about what they believe, then like the JFK assassination, the government and media must be complicit and hiding what they are really doing, again the government hiding what they are doing with the assistance of the MSM.

In short that's how I ended up really looking into what the MSM call "conspiracy theory", of course as an "expletive." It really is laughable. But because I was pretty sure Satan really is the ruler of this system, and then I proved it to myself, by digging deeper into how this world really works, and indeed people who know nothing about Jehovah's Witnesses, and in fact even professed Christians who know the NWO exists etc, but have no idea about why Satan has been allowed to continue, but they came to the same conclusion, a group of criminal wicked and demonic people rule the world...and yet WT is completely oblivious to any of this. They actually believe that Carbon dioxide, part of the life cycle the God they claim to worship, created, is "man ruining the earth."

Not to be rude or insulting, but I didn't have to pray about it. I had been going down this road for a very long time, and the straw that broke the camels back was the push for the Covid vax. I knew at least 2 decades ago, something was very wrong. You probaly don't know this, but I had two older brothers commit suicide, one of which had been at Bethel for two years.


Now since I said, "I didn't have to pray about it", let me clarify, I am not at all saying you shouldn't have, I guess I am just explaining why I didn't, not that you would have known one way or the other...LOL, no but rather, you made a good point and I suppose I am trying to justify why I didn't...but I think we shoukld share our thinking on these things.

 

[Carl]

Going back to when I was a teenager, I had started to look at things from a very analytical perspective. So for me, I had approached this question, about "relying on my own wisdom", yet the bible very clearly tells us, that we "carry our own load." So while we should not "rely on our own wisdom, still, we all answer to Jehovah individually therefore, we do answer for the way we discern the world, especially if we are educated by the bible.

I got into an argument with my son tonight over the topic of relying on our own wisdom. He believes I'm relying on my own understanding by not following the Catholic Church. He spends hours each day studying their writings and listening to podcasts... and his "we're right, you're wrong" attitude has become unbearable at times. I told him that if it's about who's oldest, then we should all be Jews, cause they came 1st. I said I'm a "Jehovah's Witness" because it makes sense to me (not the WT flavor, more like the JWs we find on this forum). I believe in the core truths taught by the WT, not because they came from men, but because they make sense to us. I left the WT because it went beyond it's charter and became an idol, and worse... a self appointed spokesperson for Jehovah. When I tell him this fulfils prophesy he disagrees and says what I'm doing is Judaizing, which according to him is using the OT to explain the NT, instead of the NT being used to explain the OT.

My decision to submit to Jehovah, and give my life to him, means I will go wherever I'm told to go. I don't worship Robert, I just feel that most of what he teaches here makes sense. I would LOVE to belong to a local congregation filled with people like you and others from this forum, but that's not in the cards right now. I told him I can't become a Catholic just because Jesus told Peter to take care of his sheep, and that Peter was the rock the church would be built upon. I don't believe in "apostolic succession," or the trinity and especially hell. The CC's teachings DO. NOT. MAKE. SENSE!!! So I'm here... not because I'm rebellious, not because I think I know it all, and definitely not because it's easy. I don't think he believes Jesus is about to return, because I keep telling him our disagreements will end when Jesus comes back, so until then we need to agree to disagree and respect one another's beliefs... but he just can't let it go. I think he thinks he's trying to save me.

 

[Nomex]

I got into an argument with my son tonight over the topic of relying on our own wisdom.

Ask him why "God the Father", and "God the Son" have names but "God the Holy Spirit" DO NOT! Assuming he's admitted that "God the Father" has a name.

 

[Nomex]

Ask him why "God the Father", and "God the Son" have names but "God the Holy Spirit" DO NOT! Assuming he's admitted that "God the Father" has a name.

But more importantly, why "God the Father's" name has been removed from the bible? Most Catholics have never heard the "Hebrew" name of God!

 

[Nomex]

Ask him why "God the Father", and "God the Son" have names but "God the Holy Spirit" DO NOT! Assuming he's admitted that "God the Father" has a name.

Along those same lines ask why "God the father" had his name removed form the bible?

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

Along those same lines ask why "God the father" had his name removed form the bible?

Do they ever stop to ask, when Jesus recited the Lord’s Prayer saying, “our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be THY NAME…WHAT NAME??? Did someone ask?
Although, I use to be Catholic and I never thought about that back then either.

 

[Jeremiah17:5]

Not to be rude or insulting, but I didn't have to pray about it. I had been going down this road for a very long time, and the straw that broke the camels back was the push for the Covid vax. I knew at least 2 decades ago, something was very wrong.

I don't find that insulting ...This was the result of two Deep seeded Truths hitting me at once. At this point I knew for a decade how bad vaccines were in general... I had already gone down the slow road of slowly refusing them for my children and told doctors No... Even after they said our kids could possibly die if they didn't get certain vaccines. And I had been down many roads to know how corrupt the government and media are...JFK,9/11, MSM, and many other. But as skeptical as I was, I never went down the road questioning the Org... although some teachings I now realize I was questioning. So ... I just wanted to follow the scriptures and when uncertain...being quick to pray for God's direction in the matter. Even Jesus demonstrated that by going to his Father before giving his life for us all...Even though he already knew what he had to do and knew his answer already. Maybe If I was already where you were at mentally I wouldn't have needed to look for confirmation on something which was clear to most of us(danger of vaccines).

 

[Jennifer]

I got into an argument with my son tonight over the topic of relying on our own wisdom. He believes I'm relying on my own understanding by not following the Catholic Church. He spends hours each day studying their writings and listening to podcasts... and his "we're right, you're wrong" attitude has become unbearable at times. I told him that if it's about who's oldest, then we should all be Jews, cause they came 1st. I said I'm a "Jehovah's Witness" because it makes sense to me (not the WT flavor, more like the JWs we find on this forum). I believe in the core truths taught by the WT, not because they came from men, but because they make sense to us. I left the WT because it went beyond it's charter and became an idol, and worse... a self appointed spokesperson for Jehovah. When I tell him this fulfils prophesy he disagrees and says what I'm doing is Judaizing, which according to him is using the OT to explain the NT, instead of the NT being used to explain the OT.

My decision to submit to Jehovah, and give my life to him, means I will go wherever I'm told to go. I don't worship Robert, I just feel that most of what he teaches here makes sense. I would LOVE to belong to a local congregation filled with people like you and others from this forum, but that's not in the cards right now. I told him I can't become a Catholic just because Jesus told Peter to take care of his sheep, and that Peter was the rock the church would be built upon. I don't believe in "apostolic succession," or the trinity and especially hell. The CC's teachings DO. NOT. MAKE. SENSE!!! So I'm here... not because I'm rebellious, not because I think I know it all, and definitely not because it's easy. I don't think he believes Jesus is about to return, because I keep telling him our disagreements will end when Jesus comes back, so until then we need to agree to disagree and respect one another's beliefs... but he just can't let it go. I think he thinks he's trying to save me.

Carl, the CC never ever made any sense whatsoever. You can't have a conversation with a Catholic about the bible. They don't know the bible! Yes, you know this, and the patience you've shown your son is amazing. I don't know how you do it because their attitude is definitely "we're right and you're wrong " My whole family, bar one or two, think they know everything when they know nothing! No wonder you got into an argument! They drive me crazy. No offence to your son. I think it's wonderful that he has an interest in God. He's in the minority these days, especially at his age. I don't think chaos is too far away Carl, he'll remember then what you've taught him. Though sometimes I start to think we could have another year or so. I wonder if that's possible. It would help me a lot with my family if that was the case. Or maybe not. Stubborn to the core!

 

[Carl]

Ask him why "God the Father", and "God the Son" have names but "God the Holy Spirit" DO NOT! Assuming he's admitted that "God the Father" has a name.

In order to keep the line of communication open, I have to say "IF" the WT is Jehovah's organization, and allow for the possibility the CC is, in his mind. I started the discussion by reading Isaiah 2... to me "In the final part of the days, the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains" which to me means points to the WT being the "mountain" that Jehovah uses in the final part of the days to sanctify his name. When I got to "Jehovah alone will be exalted in that day" I was hoping that would start him thinking. Catholic apologists have an answer for ever argument we make here, so it'll probably take the return of Jesus to wake him up. The discussion turned to which organization or group of people on Earth sanctifies Jehovah's name? He said the CC uses it and I countered with the fact that his own 77 y/o life long Catholic grandfather didn't even know it was His name when I mentioned it.

We discussed the purpose of the 1,000 year Kingdom, Judgment Day, the Resurrection, Paradise, eternal torment in hell being out of line with an "eye for an eye." His CC reasonings make no sense, but he believes them, just like PIMI JWs follow their idol. What we discuss here makes so much sense critically and spiritually, while the CC's explanation of these topics doesn't. They rely on the fact that they've been around for so long to mean they're God's mouthpiece. It became heated when I said I don't believe the CC is correct on their interpretation of the Bible... especially John 1:1. I understand why people believe in the trinity though, because of John 1:1. No amount of reasoning or referencing Greek scholars will change his mind, because the CC has their own Greek scholars who back up their version of the verse. Satan has spread so many lies that only Jesus' return can clear up the confusion.

 

[Carl]

Carl, the CC never ever made any sense whatsoever. You can't have a conversation with a Catholic about the bible. They don't know the bible! Yes, you know this, and the patience you've shown your son is amazing. I don't know how you do it because their attitude is definitely "we're right and you're wrong " My whole family, bar one or two, think they know everything when they know nothing! No wonder you got into an argument! They drive me crazy. No offence to your son. I think it's wonderful that he has an interest in God. He's in the minority these days, especially at his age. I don't think chaos is too far away Carl, he'll remember then what you've taught him. Though sometimes I start to think we could have another year or so. I wonder if that's possible. It would help me a lot with my family if that was the case. Or maybe not. Stubborn to the core!

He studies for hours each day, but not the Bible... he studies what Catholic apologists say about the Bible. It's like a new JW studying every WT article and not the actual Bible. They both fail to see how the OT explains what's happening and about to happen.

 

[Summit]

In order to keep the line of communication open, I have to say "IF" the WT is Jehovah's organization, and allow for the possibility the CC is, in his mind. I started the discussion by reading Isaiah 2... to me "In the final part of the days, the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains" which to me means points to the WT being the "mountain" that Jehovah uses in the final part of the days to sanctify his name. When I got to "Jehovah alone will be exalted in that day" I was hoping that would start him thinking. Catholic apologists have an answer for ever argument we make here, so it'll probably take the return of Jesus to wake him up. The discussion turned to which organization or group of people on Earth sanctifies Jehovah's name? He said the CC uses it and I countered with the fact that his own 77 y/o life long Catholic grandfather didn't even know it was His name when I mentioned it.

We discussed the purpose of the 1,000 year Kingdom, Judgment Day, the Resurrection, Paradise, eternal torment in hell being out of line with an "eye for an eye." His CC reasonings make no sense, but he believes them, just like PIMI JWs follow their idol. What we discuss here makes so much sense critically and spiritually, while the CC's explanation of these topics doesn't. They rely on the fact that they've been around for so long to mean they're God's mouthpiece. It became heated when I said I don't believe the CC is correct on their interpretation of the Bible... especially John 1:1. I understand why people believe in the trinity though, because of John 1:1. No amount of reasoning or referencing Greek scholars will change his mind, because the CC has their own Greek scholars who back up their version of the verse. Satan has spread so many lies that only Jesus' return can clear up the confusion.

You need to find common ground, and Jesus Christ is a good start regardless if he believes in the trinity. Jesus Christ is the perfect man, he is the way, the truth, the life, and through him you can find common ground with your son. Stop with all the doctrine, it separates you two, and focus on what Jesus is. God is love, therefore Jesus is love, and this means his followers will reflect that love. Jesus even said you will know his true disciples by the "love they show". Therefore any religious institution that claims to represent God must show love. Its up to you how far you want to take this, but when you look at all the wars, the crusades, the inquisitions, the banning of the bible all done under Catholicism, how does this reflect the love that Jesus said his true followers would show? Then just drop it like a hot potato. Do not get into a conversation but just plant a seed and give it time to grow. If your son appreciates truth he will see the hypocrisy of what the bible teaches, and the history of the Catholic church. It might create a small enough crack in his faith of the CC to work with later.

 

[MickHewitt]

But more importantly, why "God the Father's" name has been removed from the bible? Most Catholics have never heard the "Hebrew" name of God!

My old lovely aunt had a bible that she had passed down from the 1800's never read by her: The reason for not reading is she was a confirmed catholic. The bible was from her Protestant husband's family. He turned catholic to marry her. Anyway she is saying to me 'Look Michael this Jehovah business has got to stop you are of Scottish, Irish Catholic descent. I have a bible show me where this Jehovah is! The bible was massive and had a brass lock which I nervously opened to Psalm 83:18 Oh my, there was Jehovah's name inch Higher than any other print embossed in the most lavish colours! She slammed it shut! The first and last time she ever read God's word!

 

[Jim]

My old lovely aunt had a bible that she had passed down from the 1800's never read by her: The reason for not reading is she was a confirmed catholic. The bible was from her Protestant husband's family. He turned catholic to marry her. Anyway she is saying to me 'Look Michael this Jehovah business has got to stop you are of Scottish, Irish Catholic descent. I have a bible show me where this Jehovah is! The bible was massive and had a brass lock which I nervously opened to Psalm 83:18 Oh my, there was Jehovah's name inch Higher than any other print embossed in the most lavish colours! She slammed it shut! The first and last time she ever read God's word!

Mick. That was quite a moment!! There certainly is no way that it escaped Jehovah's attention! Jah enjoys humour as well! Like Robert once said... Look at the chimpanzee!!!!