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Jeremiah17:5

Well-known member
My name Is John ...
Brief Background
44 years old...been a witness my whole life...currently ministerial servant.

My journey here began with Covid... I have never questioned the organization... or looked into any matters into the org in the past. And like many here....I have been deeply researching many things...and I'm sure this is all to Jehovah or Jesus credit. I have though for the last 14 years heavily researched vaccines and medications. I never even thought of these things in the past.... until I had kids. I only wanted the best for my children and after much research we started refusing vaccines...until my last child we decided not to vaccinate at all. So when this vaccine was in the works...there was already no way I was going to take it. And really long story short...because I don't want this story to be too long...I knew this vaccine was going to be dangerous from the beginning. It was even in the manufacturers info to watch out for Heart attacks, myocarditis, strokes, and many others. So before it was made available, I tried warning many... my family, friends, my wife's family. But the fear the media put out was too much to overcome... But the shocking thing to me and I'm sure many others here...was the GB's stance on the matter. Every month when the updates would come out....I would get more and more discouraged, both me and my wife. And I believe it was the update Bro. Splane came out with ...of its not what the GB knows..."it's what does Jehovah know". and "how could Jehovah let all the brothers in bethel get the vaccine if it was dangerous". These videos and decisions were the beginning of me really questioning many things. Especially when the printed material was saying "its everyone's personal decision" and yet the videos were strongly insinuating to take the vaccine. And then I heard the Elders and pioneers were required to get it...this really made no sense.
So this made me start to research a lot more... not only about masks and vaccines...these things I already knew didn't work....But i got more into the scriptures....
I prayed fervently to Jehovah that I was making the right decisions...
I read so many scriptures about not trusting man....or princes ...but to trust in Jehovah. And these all made sense to me....how could it be right to trust man(science) ...that they know better than Jehovah about his creation...and how the body works...and that they can make it work better. I read the full account in Romans 14...about not passing judgment on differing opinions... and yet the brothers in my hall were shunning me and giving me less parts ...because they knew my stance on vaccines, and I was still doing things with my family through all of Covid... Even though they said "each family head was responsible for they're own family".

I read the scripture at Revelation 18:23... " No light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; for your merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, and by your spiritistic practices+ all the nations were misled" where it talks about all nations being misled by spirtistic practices...or by pharmekia...which can be druggery or poisoning. and many other scriptures... but all I thought was ....how could the GB not know this...or think about these things...

And I will say....full disclosure ...I am a Conspiracy Theorist... which I really don't think is a bad thing.... it has been made to be negative in an effort to squash truth. Not that all conspiracies are true ... but I have no problem believing that the government in Satan's system would lie to us. And I do believe that if Jesus was on the earth today...or Noah...Or Jonah...Or Jacob...Moses... the list goes on. Everyone would label them as a conspiracy theorist today...Or crazy...
So when the GB mentioned conspiracy theories... and it was either them or a talk that also talked bad about critical thinking. And there also two types of Critical thinking...One that is negative thinking ....and one that the Bible tells us to be "Critical Thinkers" ...."to use our power of perception" our "thinking ability" and to pray for wisdom. This was another red flag for me...

A scripture though ...that Really got me thinking is at Matthew 24:5 "for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many."
This was one of the first things Jesus told his apostles about the last days... It may seem like nothing at first .... til you know the meaning of the Word "Christ"
It means Annointed one. And then I realized that we are following "annointed ones". Annointed ones that have said that they are neither inspired or infallible.
I also read the Acct in Matthew 23:10 where it tells us "Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ"
And even though the GB doesn't claim to be our Leaders... they take that role...its expected that we all Obey... whatever it is that they say... So its as if they “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses" as vs 2 says.
And I really feel as though the words of 2 Cor. 11:3 apply "But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning,+ your minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity* that are due the Christ."

I feel as though it's a major problem that we talk more about the GB and the Organization....then Jesus. We are told "not to boast in men". I don't like that we just don't do as the bible says and "baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" Period ..." not spirit directed organization".
Do we put to much emphasis on our works....and not enough on Gods grace...because theres nothing we could do to earn salvation...it was a Gift....paid by the blood and sacrifice of our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Should we be partaking of the emblems....there's more evidence in the bible that tell us to do that....none that says not too... am I denying the Christ and disrespecting him by merely just passing the bread and wine? This is a Major question....
Also...Shunning... we are taught so many different ways to show Love...and the psychological trauma and callousness of this practice is nothing like we learned the Christ to be...
I have many others ... but as of right now....I am seeking Truth.... and really "The Truth" is really only One thing. And its not we have known our whole lives or for many years as "the Truth" It's at John 14:6 "Jesus said to him: “I am the way+ and the truth+ and the life.+ No one comes to the Father except through me."

As far as where I'm at right now... I'm being patient with my decisions. So many that I have seen that just leave... end up losing their complete faith in God... The scriptures talk about this as well. So i'm doing what Jesus says to do as Matthew 23: 3
"Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say.+


I'm also trying to be peaceable with all men... and it really is sad... If you say anything about the organization and where were headed... you're labelled as an Apostate and banished from all of your friends and family.... So I'm treading lightly with this because I really do believe there are many Good people in the organization that Jehovah loves and that they themselves are trying to faithfully serve him... IF this all comes crumbling down at some point...they will be so confused...

What are everyone's else's thoughts on some of these things... Hopefully I haven't offended anyone... I only have many question and am seeking Truth and Love for God and my neighbors.... I mean no Ill will on anyone and only pray for God's guidance in all that I do.... Thank you for taking the time to read this...

Your Brother in Christ...
 

Seadog

Well-known member
My name Is John ...
Brief Background
44 years old...been a witness my whole life...currently ministerial servant.

My journey here began with Covid... I have never questioned the organization... or looked into any matters into the org in the past. And like many here....I have been deeply researching many things...and I'm sure this is all to Jehovah or Jesus credit. I have though for the last 14 years heavily researched vaccines and medications. I never even thought of these things in the past.... until I had kids. I only wanted the best for my children and after much research we started refusing vaccines...until my last child we decided not to vaccinate at all. So when this vaccine was in the works...there was already no way I was going to take it. And really long story short...because I don't want this story to be too long...I knew this vaccine was going to be dangerous from the beginning. It was even in the manufacturers info to watch out for Heart attacks, myocarditis, strokes, and many others. So before it was made available, I tried warning many... my family, friends, my wife's family. But the fear the media put out was too much to overcome... But the shocking thing to me and I'm sure many others here...was the GB's stance on the matter. Every month when the updates would come out....I would get more and more discouraged, both me and my wife. And I believe it was the update Bro. Splane came out with ...of its not what the GB knows..."it's what does Jehovah know". and "how could Jehovah let all the brothers in bethel get the vaccine if it was dangerous". These videos and decisions were the beginning of me really questioning many things. Especially when the printed material was saying "its everyone's personal decision" and yet the videos were strongly insinuating to take the vaccine. And then I heard the Elders and pioneers were required to get it...this really made no sense.
So this made me start to research a lot more... not only about masks and vaccines...these things I already knew didn't work....But i got more into the scriptures....
I prayed fervently to Jehovah that I was making the right decisions...
I read so many scriptures about not trusting man....or princes ...but to trust in Jehovah. And these all made sense to me....how could it be right to trust man(science) ...that they know better than Jehovah about his creation...and how the body works...and that they can make it work better. I read the full account in Romans 14...about not passing judgment on differing opinions... and yet the brothers in my hall were shunning me and giving me less parts ...because they knew my stance on vaccines, and I was still doing things with my family through all of Covid... Even though they said "each family head was responsible for they're own family".

I read the scripture at Revelation 18:23... " No light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; for your merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, and by your spiritistic practices+ all the nations were misled" where it talks about all nations being misled by spirtistic practices...or by pharmekia...which can be druggery or poisoning. and many other scriptures... but all I thought was ....how could the GB not know this...or think about these things...

And I will say....full disclosure ...I am a Conspiracy Theorist... which I really don't think is a bad thing.... it has been made to be negative in an effort to squash truth. Not that all conspiracies are true ... but I have no problem believing that the government in Satan's system would lie to us. And I do believe that if Jesus was on the earth today...or Noah...Or Jonah...Or Jacob...Moses... the list goes on. Everyone would label them as a conspiracy theorist today...Or crazy...
So when the GB mentioned conspiracy theories... and it was either them or a talk that also talked bad about critical thinking. And there also two types of Critical thinking...One that is negative thinking ....and one that the Bible tells us to be "Critical Thinkers" ...."to use our power of perception" our "thinking ability" and to pray for wisdom. This was another red flag for me...

A scripture though ...that Really got me thinking is at Matthew 24:5 "for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many."
This was one of the first things Jesus told his apostles about the last days... It may seem like nothing at first .... til you know the meaning of the Word "Christ"
It means Annointed one. And then I realized that we are following "annointed ones". Annointed ones that have said that they are neither inspired or infallible.
I also read the Acct in Matthew 23:10 where it tells us "Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ"
And even though the GB doesn't claim to be our Leaders... they take that role...its expected that we all Obey... whatever it is that they say... So its as if they “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses" as vs 2 says.
And I really feel as though the words of 2 Cor. 11:3 apply "But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning,+ your minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity* that are due the Christ."

I feel as though it's a major problem that we talk more about the GB and the Organization....then Jesus. We are told "not to boast in men". I don't like that we just don't do as the bible says and "baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" Period ..." not spirit directed organization".
Do we put to much emphasis on our works....and not enough on Gods grace...because theres nothing we could do to earn salvation...it was a Gift....paid by the blood and sacrifice of our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Should we be partaking of the emblems....there's more evidence in the bible that tell us to do that....none that says not too... am I denying the Christ and disrespecting him by merely just passing the bread and wine? This is a Major question....
Also...Shunning... we are taught so many different ways to show Love...and the psychological trauma and callousness of this practice is nothing like we learned the Christ to be...
I have many others ... but as of right now....I am seeking Truth.... and really "The Truth" is really only One thing. And its not we have known our whole lives or for many years as "the Truth" It's at John 14:6 "Jesus said to him: “I am the way+ and the truth+ and the life.+ No one comes to the Father except through me."

As far as where I'm at right now... I'm being patient with my decisions. So many that I have seen that just leave... end up losing their complete faith in God... The scriptures talk about this as well. So i'm doing what Jesus says to do as Matthew 23: 3
"Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say.+


I'm also trying to be peaceable with all men... and it really is sad... If you say anything about the organization and where were headed... you're labelled as an Apostate and banished from all of your friends and family.... So I'm treading lightly with this because I really do believe there are many Good people in the organization that Jehovah loves and that they themselves are trying to faithfully serve him... IF this all comes crumbling down at some point...they will be so confused...

What are everyone's else's thoughts on some of these things... Hopefully I haven't offended anyone... I only have many question and am seeking Truth and Love for God and my neighbors.... I mean no Ill will on anyone and only pray for God's guidance in all that I do.... Thank you for taking the time to read this...

Your Brother in Christ...
Welcome Brother
You'll be well looked after here😍
 

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
@Jeremiah17:5

Brother, I’m in agreement with every single thing you said in your post. I’ve had similar experiences as well. You keep on doing what you’re doing and you won’t go wrong. I went through all the same problems but at the same time I learned about the organization 2 years ago I lost my husband so it was devastating for me and to be betrayed by the WT/ GB after 38 years was almost more than I could bare. Only with Jehovah’s help have I come through this so I know that he’ll be with you. Jehovah knows those who belong to him.

I also learned about the dangers of vaccines years ago and before this vaccine started to be given, I already knew it was wrong and that Jehovah wasn’t behind the approval of this. It was update #7 Brother Losch in 2021 that did it for me. Jehovah woke me up but I was so worried if I left the organization I’d be leaving Jehovah. Not so because it was as if Jehovah let me know not to worry, that he would still be with me.

Just as I know he will be with you John, you and your family. You can be sure of that. You’ll be in my prayers and I know that Jehovah will bless you as we go through these trying times.

This forum has been a godsend for me and I hope that you’ll get as much from being here as most of us do. Just remember we’re not even close to being perfect but we sure are a real loving brotherhood here.
There’s also much here to learn.

Welcome John 😊

I looked up the scripture at Jeremiah 17:5 and it was highlighted in my Bible. It’s so very true too!

“This is what Jehovah says: “Cursed is the man who puts his trust in mere humans, Who relies on human power, And whose heart turns away from Jehovah.”
 
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Soul Sage

Well-known member
My name Is John ...
Brief Background
44 years old...been a witness my whole life...currently ministerial servant.

My journey here began with Covid... I have never questioned the organization... or looked into any matters into the org in the past. And like many here....I have been deeply researching many things...and I'm sure this is all to Jehovah or Jesus credit. I have though for the last 14 years heavily researched vaccines and medications. I never even thought of these things in the past.... until I had kids. I only wanted the best for my children and after much research we started refusing vaccines...until my last child we decided not to vaccinate at all. So when this vaccine was in the works...there was already no way I was going to take it. And really long story short...because I don't want this story to be too long...I knew this vaccine was going to be dangerous from the beginning. It was even in the manufacturers info to watch out for Heart attacks, myocarditis, strokes, and many others. So before it was made available, I tried warning many... my family, friends, my wife's family. But the fear the media put out was too much to overcome... But the shocking thing to me and I'm sure many others here...was the GB's stance on the matter. Every month when the updates would come out....I would get more and more discouraged, both me and my wife. And I believe it was the update Bro. Splane came out with ...of its not what the GB knows..."it's what does Jehovah know". and "how could Jehovah let all the brothers in bethel get the vaccine if it was dangerous". These videos and decisions were the beginning of me really questioning many things. Especially when the printed material was saying "its everyone's personal decision" and yet the videos were strongly insinuating to take the vaccine. And then I heard the Elders and pioneers were required to get it...this really made no sense.
So this made me start to research a lot more... not only about masks and vaccines...these things I already knew didn't work....But i got more into the scriptures....
I prayed fervently to Jehovah that I was making the right decisions...
I read so many scriptures about not trusting man....or princes ...but to trust in Jehovah. And these all made sense to me....how could it be right to trust man(science) ...that they know better than Jehovah about his creation...and how the body works...and that they can make it work better. I read the full account in Romans 14...about not passing judgment on differing opinions... and yet the brothers in my hall were shunning me and giving me less parts ...because they knew my stance on vaccines, and I was still doing things with my family through all of Covid... Even though they said "each family head was responsible for they're own family".

I read the scripture at Revelation 18:23... " No light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; for your merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, and by your spiritistic practices+ all the nations were misled" where it talks about all nations being misled by spirtistic practices...or by pharmekia...which can be druggery or poisoning. and many other scriptures... but all I thought was ....how could the GB not know this...or think about these things...

And I will say....full disclosure ...I am a Conspiracy Theorist... which I really don't think is a bad thing.... it has been made to be negative in an effort to squash truth. Not that all conspiracies are true ... but I have no problem believing that the government in Satan's system would lie to us. And I do believe that if Jesus was on the earth today...or Noah...Or Jonah...Or Jacob...Moses... the list goes on. Everyone would label them as a conspiracy theorist today...Or crazy...
So when the GB mentioned conspiracy theories... and it was either them or a talk that also talked bad about critical thinking. And there also two types of Critical thinking...One that is negative thinking ....and one that the Bible tells us to be "Critical Thinkers" ...."to use our power of perception" our "thinking ability" and to pray for wisdom. This was another red flag for me...

A scripture though ...that Really got me thinking is at Matthew 24:5 "for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many."
This was one of the first things Jesus told his apostles about the last days... It may seem like nothing at first .... til you know the meaning of the Word "Christ"
It means Annointed one. And then I realized that we are following "annointed ones". Annointed ones that have said that they are neither inspired or infallible.
I also read the Acct in Matthew 23:10 where it tells us "Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ"
And even though the GB doesn't claim to be our Leaders... they take that role...its expected that we all Obey... whatever it is that they say... So its as if they “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses" as vs 2 says.
And I really feel as though the words of 2 Cor. 11:3 apply "But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning,+ your minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity* that are due the Christ."

I feel as though it's a major problem that we talk more about the GB and the Organization....then Jesus. We are told "not to boast in men". I don't like that we just don't do as the bible says and "baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" Period ..." not spirit directed organization".
Do we put to much emphasis on our works....and not enough on Gods grace...because theres nothing we could do to earn salvation...it was a Gift....paid by the blood and sacrifice of our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Should we be partaking of the emblems....there's more evidence in the bible that tell us to do that....none that says not too... am I denying the Christ and disrespecting him by merely just passing the bread and wine? This is a Major question....
Also...Shunning... we are taught so many different ways to show Love...and the psychological trauma and callousness of this practice is nothing like we learned the Christ to be...
I have many others ... but as of right now....I am seeking Truth.... and really "The Truth" is really only One thing. And its not we have known our whole lives or for many years as "the Truth" It's at John 14:6 "Jesus said to him: “I am the way+ and the truth+ and the life.+ No one comes to the Father except through me."

As far as where I'm at right now... I'm being patient with my decisions. So many that I have seen that just leave... end up losing their complete faith in God... The scriptures talk about this as well. So i'm doing what Jesus says to do as Matthew 23: 3
"Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say.+


I'm also trying to be peaceable with all men... and it really is sad... If you say anything about the organization and where were headed... you're labelled as an Apostate and banished from all of your friends and family.... So I'm treading lightly with this because I really do believe there are many Good people in the organization that Jehovah loves and that they themselves are trying to faithfully serve him... IF this all comes crumbling down at some point...they will be so confused...

What are everyone's else's thoughts on some of these things... Hopefully I haven't offended anyone... I only have many question and am seeking Truth and Love for God and my neighbors.... I mean no Ill will on anyone and only pray for God's guidance in all that I do.... Thank you for taking the time to read this...

Your Brother in Christ...

Agape love to you brother. You are not alone in your thinking and the Bible scriptures you quoted which helped with your decision was excellent. I too prayed for wisdom and understanding in this matter and came across those scriptures and others. They gave into fear and took that poison in their body and now the world hasn't been the same since people fell for the lies and we are in this situation because they gave into fear propaganda. If no one complied and had the courage to take a stand the world would be in a better place right now.

Though this probably had to happen in order for prophecy to be fulfilled. And the lesson learned from this is that the anointed make mistakes and have faults, like everyone else. They are the source for spiritual food, nothing else. Just like how you wouldn't take their medical advice or financial advice. They overstepped their boundaries when they made vaccines the new form of baptism.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
My name Is John ...
Brief Background
44 years old...been a witness my whole life...currently ministerial servant.

My journey here began with Covid... I have never questioned the organization... or looked into any matters into the org in the past. And like many here....I have been deeply researching many things...and I'm sure this is all to Jehovah or Jesus credit. I have though for the last 14 years heavily researched vaccines and medications. I never even thought of these things in the past.... until I had kids. I only wanted the best for my children and after much research we started refusing vaccines...until my last child we decided not to vaccinate at all. So when this vaccine was in the works...there was already no way I was going to take it. And really long story short...because I don't want this story to be too long...I knew this vaccine was going to be dangerous from the beginning. It was even in the manufacturers info to watch out for Heart attacks, myocarditis, strokes, and many others. So before it was made available, I tried warning many... my family, friends, my wife's family. But the fear the media put out was too much to overcome... But the shocking thing to me and I'm sure many others here...was the GB's stance on the matter. Every month when the updates would come out....I would get more and more discouraged, both me and my wife. And I believe it was the update Bro. Splane came out with ...of its not what the GB knows..."it's what does Jehovah know". and "how could Jehovah let all the brothers in bethel get the vaccine if it was dangerous". These videos and decisions were the beginning of me really questioning many things. Especially when the printed material was saying "its everyone's personal decision" and yet the videos were strongly insinuating to take the vaccine. And then I heard the Elders and pioneers were required to get it...this really made no sense.
So this made me start to research a lot more... not only about masks and vaccines...these things I already knew didn't work....But i got more into the scriptures....
I prayed fervently to Jehovah that I was making the right decisions...
I read so many scriptures about not trusting man....or princes ...but to trust in Jehovah. And these all made sense to me....how could it be right to trust man(science) ...that they know better than Jehovah about his creation...and how the body works...and that they can make it work better. I read the full account in Romans 14...about not passing judgment on differing opinions... and yet the brothers in my hall were shunning me and giving me less parts ...because they knew my stance on vaccines, and I was still doing things with my family through all of Covid... Even though they said "each family head was responsible for they're own family".

I read the scripture at Revelation 18:23... " No light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; for your merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, and by your spiritistic practices+ all the nations were misled" where it talks about all nations being misled by spirtistic practices...or by pharmekia...which can be druggery or poisoning. and many other scriptures... but all I thought was ....how could the GB not know this...or think about these things...

And I will say....full disclosure ...I am a Conspiracy Theorist... which I really don't think is a bad thing.... it has been made to be negative in an effort to squash truth. Not that all conspiracies are true ... but I have no problem believing that the government in Satan's system would lie to us. And I do believe that if Jesus was on the earth today...or Noah...Or Jonah...Or Jacob...Moses... the list goes on. Everyone would label them as a conspiracy theorist today...Or crazy...
So when the GB mentioned conspiracy theories... and it was either them or a talk that also talked bad about critical thinking. And there also two types of Critical thinking...One that is negative thinking ....and one that the Bible tells us to be "Critical Thinkers" ...."to use our power of perception" our "thinking ability" and to pray for wisdom. This was another red flag for me...

A scripture though ...that Really got me thinking is at Matthew 24:5 "for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many."
This was one of the first things Jesus told his apostles about the last days... It may seem like nothing at first .... til you know the meaning of the Word "Christ"
It means Annointed one. And then I realized that we are following "annointed ones". Annointed ones that have said that they are neither inspired or infallible.
I also read the Acct in Matthew 23:10 where it tells us "Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ"
And even though the GB doesn't claim to be our Leaders... they take that role...its expected that we all Obey... whatever it is that they say... So its as if they “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses" as vs 2 says.
And I really feel as though the words of 2 Cor. 11:3 apply "But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning,+ your minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity* that are due the Christ."

I feel as though it's a major problem that we talk more about the GB and the Organization....then Jesus. We are told "not to boast in men". I don't like that we just don't do as the bible says and "baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" Period ..." not spirit directed organization".
Do we put to much emphasis on our works....and not enough on Gods grace...because theres nothing we could do to earn salvation...it was a Gift....paid by the blood and sacrifice of our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Should we be partaking of the emblems....there's more evidence in the bible that tell us to do that....none that says not too... am I denying the Christ and disrespecting him by merely just passing the bread and wine? This is a Major question....
Also...Shunning... we are taught so many different ways to show Love...and the psychological trauma and callousness of this practice is nothing like we learned the Christ to be...
I have many others ... but as of right now....I am seeking Truth.... and really "The Truth" is really only One thing. And its not we have known our whole lives or for many years as "the Truth" It's at John 14:6 "Jesus said to him: “I am the way+ and the truth+ and the life.+ No one comes to the Father except through me."

As far as where I'm at right now... I'm being patient with my decisions. So many that I have seen that just leave... end up losing their complete faith in God... The scriptures talk about this as well. So i'm doing what Jesus says to do as Matthew 23: 3
"Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say.+


I'm also trying to be peaceable with all men... and it really is sad... If you say anything about the organization and where were headed... you're labelled as an Apostate and banished from all of your friends and family.... So I'm treading lightly with this because I really do believe there are many Good people in the organization that Jehovah loves and that they themselves are trying to faithfully serve him... IF this all comes crumbling down at some point...they will be so confused...

What are everyone's else's thoughts on some of these things... Hopefully I haven't offended anyone... I only have many question and am seeking Truth and Love for God and my neighbors.... I mean no Ill will on anyone and only pray for God's guidance in all that I do.... Thank you for taking the time to read this...

Your Brother in Christ...
Now you now know what watchtower is, it will be comparatively easy to see its place in prophesy. If you wish to see truth then don’t stand with a foot in each court. Conspiracy theories are a luxury to distract one’s search. The vaccine is but a small symptom of a far greater evil, a distraction. Seek Jehovah whilst he still may be found. Time is short. Read the archive here on site.
 

Paul H

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And I will say....full disclosure ...I am a Conspiracy Theorist... which I really don't think is a bad thing.... it has been made to be negative in an effort to squash truth. Not that all conspiracies are true ... but I have no problem believing that the government in Satan's system would lie to us. And I do believe that if Jesus was on the earth today...or Noah...Or Jonah...Or Jacob...Moses... the list goes on. Everyone would label them as a conspiracy theorist today...Or crazy...
So when the GB mentioned conspiracy theories... and it was either them or a talk that also talked bad about critical thinking. And there also two types of Critical thinking...One that is negative thinking ....and one that the Bible tells us to be "Critical Thinkers" ...."to use our power of perception" our "thinking ability" and to pray for wisdom. This was another red flag for me...
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Revvzone

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Hi John.
"full disclosure ...I am a Conspiracy Theorist... which I really don't think is a bad thing.... it has been made to be negative in an effort to squash truth. Not that all conspiracies are true "

The problem with conspiracies is, when they come true they're no longer conspiracies..
 

Jeremiah17:5

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Welcome to the forum, John. You mentioned the Splane talk, I don't know if you have seen the commentary I did on it because it is not on YouTube because of their censorship.

Thank you …I haven’t watched it, but I definitely will! The censorship is real and you really have to dig for truth…I was sick to my stomach after this talk…I didn’t know what to make of it…all I could do was go back to prayer for direction and guidance… Thanks!!
 

Melinda

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Thank you …I haven’t watched it, but I definitely will! The censorship is real and you really have to dig for truth…I was sick to my stomach after this talk…I didn’t know what to make of it…all I could do was go back to prayer for direction and guidance… Thanks!!
I was wondering how you found Roberts forum. Obviously it was thru prayer. So glad you are here. Welcome! I look forward to more comments.
 

Jeremiah17:5

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Hi John.
"full disclosure ...I am a Conspiracy Theorist... which I really don't think is a bad thing.... it has been made to be negative in an effort to squash truth. Not that all conspiracies are true "

The problem with conspiracies is, when they come true they're no longer conspiracies..
I was wondering how you found Roberts forum. Obviously it was thru prayer. So glad you are here. Welcome! I look forward to more comments.
I’m on a message board in France where brothers and sisters post their vaccine injuries and experiences and a brother put a link to this forum…It may have even been PJ54....I saw he put a link too "adverse effects of vaccine injuries" which is the site I'm referring too....
 
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Jeremiah17:5

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I don’t …I lived in florida. American…But on that site they have a feature to translate to English. The feeling I’m seeing over there is the same one I’m seeing in many places…the coercion by the central college as they call it there…and the shunning and even elders being removed because they didn’t want the vaccine. And now the many injuries that they are seeing and so many have yet to make the connection.
 

Jeremiah17:5

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Welcome to the forum, John. You mentioned the Splane talk, I don't know if you have seen the commentary I did on it because it is not on YouTube because of their censorship.

Excellent video...and I agree with everything you said... I also have made references to Israel and how they were God's People....and time and again they went astray....so how could we be any different... especially knowing that Jesus said that there would be false teachers among us.

I also find it very interesting that the name Bethel was used as "God's House"....especially reading what happen to Bethel in Amos 5....


1. “Hear this word that I am taking up against you as a dirge,* O house of Israel:
4 “For this is what Jehovah says to the house of Israel: ‘Search for me and keep living.+
5 Do not search for Bethʹel,+................And Bethʹel will come to nothing.*
6 Search for Jehovah, and keep living,+
So that he does not burst out like a fire on the house of Joseph,
Consuming Bethʹel, with no one to extinguish it.
7 You turn justice into wormwood,*
And you cast righteousness to the earth.+ 9 He will cause destruction to burst out against the strong, Bringing destruction on fortified places.
10 They hate those who give reproof in the city gate, And they detest those who speak truthfully.+ 11 Because you demand farm rent* from the poor And you take his grain as tribute,+ You will not keep dwelling in the houses of hewn stone that you have built+
Nor drink the wine from the choice vineyards that you have planted.+ 12 For I know how many your revolts* are And how great your sins are
You harass the righteous, You take bribes,* And you deny the rights of the poor in the city gate.+ 13 Therefore, those with insight will keep silent at that time, For it will be a time of calamity.+ 14 Search for what is good, and not what is bad,+ So that you may keep living.+
Then Jehovah the God of armies may be with you, Just as you say he is.+ 15 Hate what is bad, and love what is good,+
Let justice prevail in the city gate.+ It may be that Jehovah the God of armies Will show favor to the remaining ones of Joseph.’+
16 “Therefore this is what Jehovah the God of armies, Jehovah, says: ‘In all the public squares there will be wailing, And in all the streets they will say, “Alas, alas!”They will call on the farmers to mourn And the professional mourners to wail.’17 ‘In every vineyard there will be wailing;+
For I will pass through your midst,’ says Jehovah. 18 ‘Woe to those who yearn for the day of Jehovah!+
What, then, will the day of Jehovah mean for you?+ It will be darkness, and not light.+
19 It will be like a man who flees from a lion and is confronted by a bear, And when he enters his house and leans his hand against the wall, a snake bites him. 20 Will not the day of Jehovah be darkness, and not light; Will it not have gloom, and not brightness? 21 I hate, I despise your festivals,+ And I take no pleasure in the aroma of your solemn assemblies. 22 Even if you offer me whole burnt offerings and gift offerings,
I will find no pleasure in them;+ And I will not look with favor on your communion sacrifices of fattened animals.+ 23 Spare me the din of your songs; And let me not hear the melodies of your stringed instruments.+ 24 Let justice flow down like waters,+
And righteousness like an ever-flowing stream. 25 Did you bring me sacrifices and gift offerings For those 40 years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?+ 26 Now you will have to carry away Sakʹkuth your king and Kaiʹwan,* Your images, the star of your god, whom you made for yourselves,
27 And I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,’+ says he whose name is Jehovah the God of armies.”+

There's so many points in this acct to talk about... But why...knowing what comes of Bethel....would we choose this are our main "center of worship" ... and can't help but think about all these things Jehovah says about their assembling together...and singing songs to God....and their sacrifices....and yet he despised these things from the hearts of people that were not truly following him. And it looks like the light will continue to get brighter for the Org til Jehovah's Day comes and the Light completely goes out...

very nice video though...Thanks
 

Jeremiah17:5

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Now you now know what watchtower is, it will be comparatively easy to see its place in prophesy. If you wish to see truth then don’t stand with a foot in each court. Conspiracy theories are a luxury to distract one’s search. The vaccine is but a small symptom of a far greater evil, a distraction. Seek Jehovah whilst he still may be found. Time is short. Read the archive here on site.
I agree...and Covid definitely woke me up to the possibilities of those evils existing in my "own house". I made too many assumptions with the Org and not enough thorough research of my own into matters to really "make sure of all things". But I believe Jehovah is opening our eyes to the deceptions...
 

Jeremiah17:5

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Hi John.
"full disclosure ...I am a Conspiracy Theorist... which I really don't think is a bad thing.... it has been made to be negative in an effort to squash truth. Not that all conspiracies are true "

The problem with conspiracies is, when they come true they're no longer conspiracies..
And they don't come out and admit either that those "conspiracies" were actually true...and once a Lie is out...."its easier to believe a lie than admit you've been lied too"
 
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