Hello...New here as well..

MickHewitt

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Yes welcome; What we have here @ e-watchman is the relaxed expressions upon truths rather than upholding the lie of 1914!
When we see how powerful the AIPAC lobby for Israel is in the States it's no wonder the Evangelicals get on board using Israel in scripture to convince all to be on side of Netanyahu! How privileged we are to see beyond the literal interpretation and see the spiritual Israel!
 

Jeremiah17:5

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@Jeremiah17:5

Brother, I’m in agreement with every single thing you said in your post. I’ve had similar experiences as well. You keep on doing what you’re doing and you won’t go wrong. I went through all the same problems but at the same time I learned about the organization 2 years ago I lost my husband so it was devastating for me and to be betrayed by the WT/ GB after 38 years was almost more than I could bare. Only with Jehovah’s help have I come through this so I know that he’ll be with you. Jehovah knows those who belong to him.

I also learned about the dangers of vaccines years ago and before this vaccine started to be given, I already knew it was wrong and that Jehovah wasn’t behind the approval of this. It was update #7 Brother Losch in 2021 that did it for me. Jehovah woke me up but I was so worried if I left the organization I’d be leaving Jehovah. Not so because it was as if Jehovah let me know not to worry, that he would still be with me.

Just as I know he will be with you John, you and your family. You can be sure of that. You’ll be in my prayers and I know that Jehovah will bless you as we go through these trying times.

This forum has been a godsend for me and I hope that you’ll get as much from being here as most of us do. Just remember we’re not even close to being perfect but we sure are a real loving brotherhood here.
There’s also much here to learn.

Welcome John 😊

I looked up the scripture at Jeremiah 17:5 and it was highlighted in my Bible. It’s so very true too!

“This is what Jehovah says: “Cursed is the man who puts his trust in mere humans, Who relies on human power, And whose heart turns away from Jehovah.”
Thank you for your kind words and prayers...everyone of those updates made me more and more sick....I kept waiting for them to come to the realization that they were harmful...I thought surely the friends would be letting them know if they had any problems from the vaccines...and that maybe the next update....finally the truth would come out....and that day never came... In fact they completely ignore it...and have made a huge deal of how great all the updates and instructions were during the pandemic... Even though we were doing nothing different the rest of the world wasn't doing or didn't have to do...
 

Medi-tator

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My name Is John ...
Brief Background
44 years old...been a witness my whole life...currently ministerial servant.

My journey here began with Covid... I have never questioned the organization... or looked into any matters into the org in the past. And like many here....I have been deeply researching many things...and I'm sure this is all to Jehovah or Jesus credit. I have though for the last 14 years heavily researched vaccines and medications. I never even thought of these things in the past.... until I had kids. I only wanted the best for my children and after much research we started refusing vaccines...until my last child we decided not to vaccinate at all. So when this vaccine was in the works...there was already no way I was going to take it. And really long story short...because I don't want this story to be too long...I knew this vaccine was going to be dangerous from the beginning. It was even in the manufacturers info to watch out for Heart attacks, myocarditis, strokes, and many others. So before it was made available, I tried warning many... my family, friends, my wife's family. But the fear the media put out was too much to overcome... But the shocking thing to me and I'm sure many others here...was the GB's stance on the matter. Every month when the updates would come out....I would get more and more discouraged, both me and my wife. And I believe it was the update Bro. Splane came out with ...of its not what the GB knows..."it's what does Jehovah know". and "how could Jehovah let all the brothers in bethel get the vaccine if it was dangerous". These videos and decisions were the beginning of me really questioning many things. Especially when the printed material was saying "its everyone's personal decision" and yet the videos were strongly insinuating to take the vaccine. And then I heard the Elders and pioneers were required to get it...this really made no sense.
So this made me start to research a lot more... not only about masks and vaccines...these things I already knew didn't work....But i got more into the scriptures....
I prayed fervently to Jehovah that I was making the right decisions...
I read so many scriptures about not trusting man....or princes ...but to trust in Jehovah. And these all made sense to me....how could it be right to trust man(science) ...that they know better than Jehovah about his creation...and how the body works...and that they can make it work better. I read the full account in Romans 14...about not passing judgment on differing opinions... and yet the brothers in my hall were shunning me and giving me less parts ...because they knew my stance on vaccines, and I was still doing things with my family through all of Covid... Even though they said "each family head was responsible for they're own family".

I read the scripture at Revelation 18:23... " No light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; for your merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, and by your spiritistic practices+ all the nations were misled" where it talks about all nations being misled by spirtistic practices...or by pharmekia...which can be druggery or poisoning. and many other scriptures... but all I thought was ....how could the GB not know this...or think about these things...

And I will say....full disclosure ...I am a Conspiracy Theorist... which I really don't think is a bad thing.... it has been made to be negative in an effort to squash truth. Not that all conspiracies are true ... but I have no problem believing that the government in Satan's system would lie to us. And I do believe that if Jesus was on the earth today...or Noah...Or Jonah...Or Jacob...Moses... the list goes on. Everyone would label them as a conspiracy theorist today...Or crazy...
So when the GB mentioned conspiracy theories... and it was either them or a talk that also talked bad about critical thinking. And there also two types of Critical thinking...One that is negative thinking ....and one that the Bible tells us to be "Critical Thinkers" ...."to use our power of perception" our "thinking ability" and to pray for wisdom. This was another red flag for me...

A scripture though ...that Really got me thinking is at Matthew 24:5 "for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many."
This was one of the first things Jesus told his apostles about the last days... It may seem like nothing at first .... til you know the meaning of the Word "Christ"
It means Annointed one. And then I realized that we are following "annointed ones". Annointed ones that have said that they are neither inspired or infallible.
I also read the Acct in Matthew 23:10 where it tells us "Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ"
And even though the GB doesn't claim to be our Leaders... they take that role...its expected that we all Obey... whatever it is that they say... So its as if they “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses" as vs 2 says.
And I really feel as though the words of 2 Cor. 11:3 apply "But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning,+ your minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity* that are due the Christ."

I feel as though it's a major problem that we talk more about the GB and the Organization....then Jesus. We are told "not to boast in men". I don't like that we just don't do as the bible says and "baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" Period ..." not spirit directed organization".
Do we put to much emphasis on our works....and not enough on Gods grace...because theres nothing we could do to earn salvation...it was a Gift....paid by the blood and sacrifice of our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Should we be partaking of the emblems....there's more evidence in the bible that tell us to do that....none that says not too... am I denying the Christ and disrespecting him by merely just passing the bread and wine? This is a Major question....
Also...Shunning... we are taught so many different ways to show Love...and the psychological trauma and callousness of this practice is nothing like we learned the Christ to be...
I have many others ... but as of right now....I am seeking Truth.... and really "The Truth" is really only One thing. And its not we have known our whole lives or for many years as "the Truth" It's at John 14:6 "Jesus said to him: “I am the way+ and the truth+ and the life.+ No one comes to the Father except through me."

As far as where I'm at right now... I'm being patient with my decisions. So many that I have seen that just leave... end up losing their complete faith in God... The scriptures talk about this as well. So i'm doing what Jesus says to do as Matthew 23: 3
"Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say.+


I'm also trying to be peaceable with all men... and it really is sad... If you say anything about the organization and where were headed... you're labelled as an Apostate and banished from all of your friends and family.... So I'm treading lightly with this because I really do believe there are many Good people in the organization that Jehovah loves and that they themselves are trying to faithfully serve him... IF this all comes crumbling down at some point...they will be so confused...

What are everyone's else's thoughts on some of these things... Hopefully I haven't offended anyone... I only have many question and am seeking Truth and Love for God and my neighbors.... I mean no Ill will on anyone and only pray for God's guidance in all that I do.... Thank you for taking the time to read this...

Your Brother in Christ...
A big robust, magnanimous, hardy (and hearty) welcome to you Brother John!!
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Thank you for your kind words and prayers...everyone of those updates made me more and more sick....I kept waiting for them to come to the realization that they were harmful...I thought surely the friends would be letting them know if they had any problems from the vaccines...and that maybe the next update....finally the truth would come out....and that day never came... In fact they completely ignore it...and have made a huge deal of how great all the updates and instructions were during the pandemic... Even though we were doing nothing different the rest of the world wasn't doing or didn't have to do...
Yes, I too felt the same and kept thinking, surely with the “thorough research“ they always boasted about I just knew for certain by summer 2021 they would learn the dangers of the vaxxines. I did hear of many friends who were writing to the branch of what the vaccines were causing….even sent them experts data. But still….then after listening to update #7, at the end of August, I said to my husband, “they’re in on it.” I knew then without a doubt…no more giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Then I didn’t care anymore, I started looking up information into the WT that was verified and true…protecting child molesters, selling kingdom halls, and so much corruption. They’re just as wicked or more than those ancient Jews were in times past.

But the scriptures speak of the “shepherds scattering Jehovah’s sheep about.” Just think though…that Jehovah will one day soon bring all his “scattered sheep“ back together. Meanwhile, we continue to strengthen and fortify our faith for the “great and awe- inspiring day of Jehovah.”
 
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Ana

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Que lindo es poder compartir cuando los demás empiezan a ver. Todos dispersos de tantos lugares diferentes, emitiendo su ey, estoy aquí!! Cómo el destello de un espejo en la lejana inmensidad!! Que Padre tan extraordinario tenemos!! Bienvenido!!❤️
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Que lindo es poder compartir cuando los demás empiezan a ver. Todos dispersos de tantos lugares diferentes, emitiendo su ey, estoy aquí!! Cómo el destello de un espejo en la lejana inmensidad!! Que Padre tan extraordinario tenemos!! Bienvenido!!❤️
Translation: How nice it is to be able to share when others start to see. All scattered from so many different places, broadcasting their hey, I'm here!! Like the flash of a mirror in the distant immensity! What an extraordinary Father we have! Welcome!! ❤️
 

Summit

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Thank you for your kind words and prayers...everyone of those updates made me more and more sick....I kept waiting for them to come to the realization that they were harmful...I thought surely the friends would be letting them know if they had any problems from the vaccines...and that maybe the next update....finally the truth would come out....and that day never came... In fact they completely ignore it...and have made a huge deal of how great all the updates and instructions were during the pandemic... Even though we were doing nothing different the rest of the world wasn't doing or didn't have to do...
Hi Jeremiah17:5...i'm fairly new here too, but these folks make you feel welcome....look forward to reading your thoughts.
 

kenmuldoon55

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My name Is John ...
Brief Background
44 years old...been a witness my whole life...currently ministerial servant.

My journey here began with Covid... I have never questioned the organization... or looked into any matters into the org in the past. And like many here....I have been deeply researching many things...and I'm sure this is all to Jehovah or Jesus credit. I have though for the last 14 years heavily researched vaccines and medications. I never even thought of these things in the past.... until I had kids. I only wanted the best for my children and after much research we started refusing vaccines...until my last child we decided not to vaccinate at all. So when this vaccine was in the works...there was already no way I was going to take it. And really long story short...because I don't want this story to be too long...I knew this vaccine was going to be dangerous from the beginning. It was even in the manufacturers info to watch out for Heart attacks, myocarditis, strokes, and many others. So before it was made available, I tried warning many... my family, friends, my wife's family. But the fear the media put out was too much to overcome... But the shocking thing to me and I'm sure many others here...was the GB's stance on the matter. Every month when the updates would come out....I would get more and more discouraged, both me and my wife. And I believe it was the update Bro. Splane came out with ...of its not what the GB knows..."it's what does Jehovah know". and "how could Jehovah let all the brothers in bethel get the vaccine if it was dangerous". These videos and decisions were the beginning of me really questioning many things. Especially when the printed material was saying "its everyone's personal decision" and yet the videos were strongly insinuating to take the vaccine. And then I heard the Elders and pioneers were required to get it...this really made no sense.
So this made me start to research a lot more... not only about masks and vaccines...these things I already knew didn't work....But i got more into the scriptures....
I prayed fervently to Jehovah that I was making the right decisions...
I read so many scriptures about not trusting man....or princes ...but to trust in Jehovah. And these all made sense to me....how could it be right to trust man(science) ...that they know better than Jehovah about his creation...and how the body works...and that they can make it work better. I read the full account in Romans 14...about not passing judgment on differing opinions... and yet the brothers in my hall were shunning me and giving me less parts ...because they knew my stance on vaccines, and I was still doing things with my family through all of Covid... Even though they said "each family head was responsible for they're own family".

I read the scripture at Revelation 18:23... " No light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; for your merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, and by your spiritistic practices+ all the nations were misled" where it talks about all nations being misled by spirtistic practices...or by pharmekia...which can be druggery or poisoning. and many other scriptures... but all I thought was ....how could the GB not know this...or think about these things...

And I will say....full disclosure ...I am a Conspiracy Theorist... which I really don't think is a bad thing.... it has been made to be negative in an effort to squash truth. Not that all conspiracies are true ... but I have no problem believing that the government in Satan's system would lie to us. And I do believe that if Jesus was on the earth today...or Noah...Or Jonah...Or Jacob...Moses... the list goes on. Everyone would label them as a conspiracy theorist today...Or crazy...
So when the GB mentioned conspiracy theories... and it was either them or a talk that also talked bad about critical thinking. And there also two types of Critical thinking...One that is negative thinking ....and one that the Bible tells us to be "Critical Thinkers" ...."to use our power of perception" our "thinking ability" and to pray for wisdom. This was another red flag for me...

A scripture though ...that Really got me thinking is at Matthew 24:5 "for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many."
This was one of the first things Jesus told his apostles about the last days... It may seem like nothing at first .... til you know the meaning of the Word "Christ"
It means Annointed one. And then I realized that we are following "annointed ones". Annointed ones that have said that they are neither inspired or infallible.
I also read the Acct in Matthew 23:10 where it tells us "Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ"
And even though the GB doesn't claim to be our Leaders... they take that role...its expected that we all Obey... whatever it is that they say... So its as if they “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses" as vs 2 says.
And I really feel as though the words of 2 Cor. 11:3 apply "But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning,+ your minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity* that are due the Christ."

I feel as though it's a major problem that we talk more about the GB and the Organization....then Jesus. We are told "not to boast in men". I don't like that we just don't do as the bible says and "baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" Period ..." not spirit directed organization".
Do we put to much emphasis on our works....and not enough on Gods grace...because theres nothing we could do to earn salvation...it was a Gift....paid by the blood and sacrifice of our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Should we be partaking of the emblems....there's more evidence in the bible that tell us to do that....none that says not too... am I denying the Christ and disrespecting him by merely just passing the bread and wine? This is a Major question....
Also...Shunning... we are taught so many different ways to show Love...and the psychological trauma and callousness of this practice is nothing like we learned the Christ to be...
I have many others ... but as of right now....I am seeking Truth.... and really "The Truth" is really only One thing. And its not we have known our whole lives or for many years as "the Truth" It's at John 14:6 "Jesus said to him: “I am the way+ and the truth+ and the life.+ No one comes to the Father except through me."

As far as where I'm at right now... I'm being patient with my decisions. So many that I have seen that just leave... end up losing their complete faith in God... The scriptures talk about this as well. So i'm doing what Jesus says to do as Matthew 23: 3
"Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say.+


I'm also trying to be peaceable with all men... and it really is sad... If you say anything about the organization and where were headed... you're labelled as an Apostate and banished from all of your friends and family.... So I'm treading lightly with this because I really do believe there are many Good people in the organization that Jehovah loves and that they themselves are trying to faithfully serve him... IF this all comes crumbling down at some point...they will be so confused...

What are everyone's else's thoughts on some of these things... Hopefully I haven't offended anyone... I only have many question and am seeking Truth and Love for God and my neighbors.... I mean no Ill will on anyone and only pray for God's guidance in all that I do.... Thank you for taking the time to read this...

Your Brother in Christ...

Welcome friend.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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However for some it’s just too toxic and they’ve chosen to flee Jerusalem early.
I don’t think I could stand to be at the meetings anymore. There are so many lies they tell not to mention the praise that the GB bring themselves, especially in the WT studies. I’d be afraid I wouldn’t be able to hold my tongue or always having to leave the meeting way before it was over…through disgust.
To me that would be endurance of another kind. 😖
 

jay

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I don’t think I could stand to be at the meetings anymore. There are so many lies they tell not to mention the praise that the GB bring themselves, especially in the WT studies. I’d be afraid I wouldn’t be able to hold my tongue or always having to leave the meeting way before it was over…through disgust.
To me that would be endurance of another kind. 😖
I feel the very same way. I can't see me welcome with open arms of love like I do here on the forum. Not one brother has reached out to me. Sad when I too am a lifer.
 

jay

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The house of Israel has its faults just like Bethel is now. Still, it's important to congregate and worship together.

Soul Sage are we not doing that on here? When the Apostle Paul was in prison and kept encouraging the Brothers through the written word was he in some way lacking because he was not congregating? Look at the impact his writings had on them and us. My JW aunt will not listen to one grain of truth that I have tried to share with her with complete humility not in an argument. Her thoughts and feelings are completely as yours sounds, my opinion. She told us that if we were not going to meetings we would not be in paradise. Is that the TRUTH?
 

Jeremiah17:5

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The house of Israel has its faults just like Bethel is now. Still, it's important to congregate and worship together.
I do agree that its very important to gather together...just as the scriptures say. Especially for kids, and when they are meeting other young ones who at least are being taught to have a love for God. The challenge becomes of not letting them being misled and taught half-truths. But at least there is a foundation that is established and hopefully God will make that love grow to find his narrow path and start to eat Solid food... and have enough faith in Christ to be able to get out of the boat...
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I do agree that its very important to gather together...just as the scriptures say. Especially for kids, and when they are meeting other young ones who at least are being taught to have a love for God. The challenge becomes of not letting them being misled and taught half-truths. But at least there is a foundation that is established and hopefully God will make that love grow to find his narrow path and start to eat Solid food... and have enough faith in Christ to be able to get out of the boat...
In a sense, as jay said, we are gathered together here on this forum with one another. Aren’t we “inciting others to love and fine works?” As well as “encouraging one another.” We convey our thoughts that help and upbuild one another.

Although if some feel the need to be at in person meetings ( and believe me I do miss them) that’s fine. But I know meetings are just not the same anymore. Therefore, I wouldn’t be encouraged or built up…especially as I am encouraged here on the forum with you dear brothers and sisters.

Until Jehovah gathers his “scattered sheep” back together….
 
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Patricia

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I don’t think I could stand to be at the meetings anymore. There are so many lies they tell not to mention the praise that the GB bring themselves, especially in the WT studies. I’d be afraid I wouldn’t be able to hold my tongue or always having to leave the meeting way before it was over…through disgust.
To me that would be endurance of another kind. 😖
My sentiments exactly. I would need to wrap my face in duct tape to keep my mouth shut 🤐🤬 and wear dark glasses so no one would see me rolling my eyes.😎
 

Jeremiah17:5

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In a sense, as jay said, we are gathered together here on this forum with one another. Aren’t we “inciting others to love and fine works?” As well as “encouraging one another.” We convey our thoughts that help and upbuild one another.

Although if some feel the need to be at in person meetings ( and believe me I do miss them) that’s fine. But I know meetings are just not the same anymore. Therefore, I wouldn’t be encouraged or built up…especially as I am here on the forum with you dear brothers and sisters.

Until Jehovah gathers his “scattered sheep” back together….
I agree with you …and it’s fine for me…and you. But it’s so difficult for children…if they’re not around an environment of children who are being taught to love God…they will become a product of their environment of kids they’re around at school and dance or whatever other extra curricular activities they’re in…then they may never get a chance to be where you or I are at right now…but it definitely is a problem when the ORG is pushing certain things I don’t want them to latch onto either …obeying men(GB),shunning, obeying the ORG without question…and all these things do bother me and it’s a fine balance and one I’m trying to sift through and be patient with…
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I agree with you …and it’s fine for me…and you. But it’s so difficult for children…if they’re not around an environment of children who are being taught to love God…they will become a product of their environment of kids they’re around at school and dance or whatever other extra curricular activities they’re in…then they may never get a chance to be where you or I are at right now…but it definitely is a problem when the ORG is pushing certain things I don’t want them to latch onto either …obeying men(GB),shunning, obeying the ORG without question…and all these things do bother me and it’s a fine balance and one I’m trying to sift through and be patient with…
I certainly understand what you’re saying. It’s just so long since my kids have grown up and now have their own lives.
It will probably just take extra work on your part to instill godly values in them and of course in a loving way, which no doubt you’re already doing. Maybe you can explain to them some of the wonderful things you’ll start to learn here on the forum and that we’re from all over the world. Of course you want to explain it on their level.

Know who their friends are and have them over from time to time. I’m not telling you what to do, I’m just suggesting this because that’s what I’d do in your situation.
I know it’s not easy and at this point especially, pray to Jehovah for guidance. I’m sure you’ll begin to see things more clearly as time passes.

You and your family will be in my prayers Jeremiah 17:5. 🙏
 
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