Medi-tator
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Yes, when I read Brother John's intro I thought of you Brother Nomex and was about to comment something like "wait til you hear from Nomex" LOL.
Hello...New here as well..
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Jeremiah17:5
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Assentio nos omnes paratos esse et paratos ad demonstrandam fidem in Deum et fidem erga Iesum Christum. Ego quoque cogito, cum Petrus e navi egrederetur. Utinam de omnibus rebus quae scimus et in Christo tantum innitimur valeamus ambulare ... opus est ut omnia amittamus et nostram fidem in Deum et Christum solum habeamus.
Ana
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Cuanto más nos alejamos de este mundo y de su espíritu, más se acercan Ellos. Nos cuidan constantemente. Ese amor hizo que nuestro Padre entregase a Miguel. No comprendemos realmente cuan valioso es su amor. Y cuanto más me refugio en mi hogar con mi familia únicamente, más les siento. Mi marido, mi hija , mi Dios y nuestro futuro Rey con su equipo de salvamento a punto de tener que superar la gran prueba que cambiará el rumbo de la humanidad. Prometedor, verdad? Aguante mis hermanos!!💙
Ms_ladyblue
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Ms_ladyblue
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Translation: The further we move away from this world and its spirit, the closer they get. They take care of us all the time. That love made our Father give up Miguel. We don't really understand how valuable your love is. And the more I take refuge in my home with my family alone, the more I feel. My husband, my daughter, my God and our future King with his rescue team about to have to overcome the great test that will change the course of humanity. Promising, isn't it? Endure my brothers!! 💙
Ms_ladyblue
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You’re absolutely right Jeremiah…those were always my exact thoughts. Your comments kept right at 30 seconds…ridiculous! Do you know that I got to where when I was preparing what to comment I’d set my timer to 30 seconds on my phone just to make sure…sheesh! 🙄 the pressure! Same with giving talks… 😬
And like you said there were no deep dives anymore into Bible prophecies as world events were unfolding. Magazine artIcles were just about things in general, nothing real specific. WT study articles mostly teaching us behavioral lessons. So elementary…
Having time to really do study or Bible reading was scarce with such a busy schedule. As I was either auxiliary or regular pioneering through the years.
Although the last few years ( before I left WT) I decided to take the time to do my own personal Bible reading WITHOUT the use of the publications I wanted to draw closer to Jehovah strictly reading the Bible and different Bible accounts to learn how Jehovah dealt with his people and why.… at different time periods throughout. I felt and still do feel a closeness to Jehovah I never experienced before because of this.
I believe that’s the reason I was able to wake up when I did. When they tried to convince us all that about the pandemic, the masks, etc. as well as the vaccine, my thought was that this wasn’t Jehovah’s direction. I had no doubts about that!
Jehovah doesn’t want us to share our worship with no one else, including the GB. And that’s what it’s come to…they’ve put themselves in God’s place.
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MickHewitt
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Isa 2:19 Everyone will have to know I am Jehovah!.....Isn't it wonderful that we have the heads up? When the rest of the world gets to know they will be entering the rocks and the caves because of His terrifying presence and majestic splendor! We are in the blessed foreknowledge of praying for and welcoming Him! Thanks Robert for a signal pole upon the hill providing the tip off!
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robins
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I have often thought of this. The WT and weekly meeting parts are prepared several MONTHS, if not a year+ before the material's assigned meeting date. Not reactive or inclusive at all to current world events. It was such a joke to discuss the d2d ministry in a WT article or mid-week meeting part, when it had been called off for a year since. Jah's "guidance and direction"... ha, yeah right.
robins
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I really appreciate your candor and story. Like you, GB's narrative of covid lock-in-step with the world brought me here too. I was surprised how many could not see through the charade. Fading for me was easier with a move in 2020, and my job and family are not strongly tied to the JW community - I can only imagine taking a stand of authentic honesty with those overlapping ties to be much more difficult. But I also think if more people could be authentic and honest while reiterating their love for Jesus and Jehovah, it could allow space for others to explore more free thinking and feel safe to say so. I do understand though that the current JW cultural systems in place make it difficult to not tow the party line. I don't have kids of my own, but being raised JW didn't shield me from "bad" association you feel isn't present within the walls of the KH... there are good families that want to instill a sense of spirituality in their children in other communities that aren't as isolationist. Witness doctrine teaches that there aren't but this seems to me another lever of fear and control. I completely understand the social reasons why people stay in, and i also completely understand the personal integrity reasons why people can't continue to play along. The line is just getting increasingly difficult to dance around.
Jeremiah17:5
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Absolutely agree... I've told my wife several times...some of the worst associates and friends I've had as far as my spirituality is concerned were "witnesses", as far as bad influences. And parents tend to let their guard down around these ones because "at least they're a witness". It's really like letting your kids hang out with wolves in sheep's clothing... I couldn't count the number of "friends" I grew up with that ended up out of "the Truth". And it wasn't because of Doctrinal issues but because they wanted the lifestyle of the world...
But I do also agree there are many good families that we may have differences of doctrinal beliefs...But at least they're teaching their kids to Love God and Follow Christ. And some of these kids being raised by God-fearing people could be way better influences and associates than a lot of the witness kids that are leading double lives. And then the other end of the spectrum... your "superfine apostle" families that do not think for themselves and live...eat...and breath every single thing that comes from the GB... I don't necessarily want my kids around that either...
But there still are plenty of nice...good associates of friends that my kids have. Who also happen to have kind...reasonable parents. One brother had actually stepped down as elder... more than a couple years ago. He's said little things about problems with some of the elders in his hall...and pointed out how all the GB were of the same race. I have never questioned him on his reason for stepping down or questioned his thoughts. But as everyone knows... it's very difficult to word some of these doubts and questions without sounding like your an "apostate". I haven't even told my wife some of my major concerns, I've mentioned little things, but I don't want to give her any more anxiety than she can handle. I'm hoping and praying that things will be revealed and she brings it up... But regardless of the GB...There are many Good people in the ORG that Love Jehovah...but are just being Misled. I don't want to abandon these good people when they may one day have serious questions and you can be there for them. The only major issue is no one will talk about it because they know the ramifications of those actions.
Thank you Robins...
Hello brothers and sisters, I'm new here. Short history: been a JW for 43yrs now, but inactive for 10 plus years, last meeting was in 2013. Policies in dealing with CSA sicken me, UN/NGO affair disgusting, KH sales, organizational idolatry, the list goes on and on of what disturbs me. I can't bring myself to attend meetings as much as I miss them due to the sins of the WT. So I just faded away. Glad to be hear. Really appreciate Watchmans articles and videos over the years, they really helped me to put things in perspective and understand it is the true religion, it's just gone apostate. I post from my phone so I'm trying to keep it short. Enjoy reading all your comments.
Ms_ladyblue
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Welcome @Shiloh to the forum. I know that you’ll learn a lot here as well as be encouraged by others.
I was in it for 38 years and I came out 2 years ago initially due to their push for the covid vax. Then I learned of all the other criminal and activities of betrayal that were going on. Believe me I was devastated…it hurt me terribly that they would betray Jehovah and Jesus like this. What a mockery.
Although you were in much longer. Were you in it growing up from birth?
jay
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Welcome Shiloh, here you will find true refreshment for your soul.
Ana
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Bienvenido!! Todos tenemos sed de reunión, verdad?Pero de eso se trata, de tener sed para que nos den agua de la buena. Hay que tener aguante!! Por aquí como verás, no hablo inglés, el traductor me guía por el foro desde mi teléfono móvil también, así que disculpa, me es imposible escribir en inglés! Muchos intentos de asistir a las reuniones pero el diablo se encarga de cerrarnos las puertas con su influencia. El mensaje del falso reinado de 1914 les saca los ojos de las órbitas!! Pero eso es bueno también!! Por aquí estamos para darnos un descanso!! Un abrazo!!💙
It was the Evangelicals who came up with the ,"Jews should go back to Israel " idea . The majority of religious Jews do not believe that they should , as they believe they are still in exile , and do not want to go back . The Zionists jumped on board with the Evangelicals , and for their own ends , although my way of thinking is that the two are both not very nice groups of people . I have nothing against Jews , but the other two are both as fanatical as one another .
Ms_ladyblue
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Ana’s post translated: Welcome!! We're all thirsty for a meeting, right? But that's what it's all about, being thirsty to give us good water. You have to have endurance! Here as you will see, I don't speak English, the translator guides me through the forum from my mobile phone too, so I'm sorry, it's impossible for me to write in English! Many attempts to attend the meetings but the devil is in charge of closing the doors with his influence. The message of the false reign of 1914 takes their eyes out of their orbits!! But that's good too! We're here to give us a break! A hug!! 💙
A warm welcome to you Shiloh. So happy to have you here ...the only place on the earth where real truth resides.
kenmuldoon55
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Thanks for that😺
Hello Ms_ladyblue, I got baptized as a young adult in 1980. But dissociated myself in over the CSA policies after learning my daughter was abused in the late 1990's. It was in 2001 (right before 911) when I was attempting to go back but Jehovah stopped me dead in my tracks and made me aware that the WT had violated the covenant for a Kingdom, but I still wasn't aware of the UN/NGO affair untill 2003 when I learned about it online. Then it all started to make sense about violating the covenant. I waited untill 2007 or so and thought going back might be okay, got reinstated but saw so much of the organizational idolatry it was really depressing and discouraging. I couldn't talk about what I knew to anyone without being labeled as an apostate so I faded away and left by 2013. I still have family in the religion and I worry for them. I was really surprised to hear the org was pushing the covid jab, that's because they are still in tight with the UN I'm sure. They may have dissociated themselves as the WTBTS but they have many different legal acronyms they operate under. Good to meet you.
Ms_ladyblue
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So sorry you had to go through that with your daughter. This organization has done so much harm to so many of the friends and JW families. It’s good you did gradually wake up to the things going on when you did. We can see how they’ve violated the covenant therefore I believe Jehovah’s spirit is no longer backing them…especially since the scamdemic started thousands are leaving and some countries are starting to take them to court because of their policies on child molesting, abuse and shunning….so they’re losing their government financial status as a result.
My daughter is married to an elder and because I questioned the GB handling of the vaxxines they no longer have anything to do with me. That’s been 20 months ago. And on learning all the corruption going on in the organization I was devastated, then my husband passed away not long afterward.
The WT is producing nothing but cold hearted brothers to take the lead in the congregations. Is that having ‘love among ourselves?’
No, they’d rather listen to their idol GB than their real leader, Jesus Christ.
Good to meet you too Shiloh. I look forward to your comments and hope you can find encouragement here on the forum. There’s so much to learn here too.