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BARNABY THE DOG.

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@BARNABY THE DOG. The fact that you get dreadful nightmares could indicate that you are being attacked by demons. There are two reasons that I could think of.

1) You are being attacked because you have a close relationship with Jehovah by staying faithful.
2) You have let the demons yourself to have authority over you. This can be done by watching or entertaining on the media that has demonic influence and magic etc., things that Jehovah has commanded us to stay away from.

I hope that it is the first reason, otherwise, examine yourself in your daily life if you have let a thing of Satan to enter your heart or mind and repent and ask prayerfully for guidance.

Was the nightmares often?
Sorry White Stone, I don’t think I am being attacked by Satan. My television viewing is very limited, though I do have it on at times for company. The one and only television channel in England (the few other channels are specially reserved for the seriously mentally challenged) the BBC, only broadcasts programmes that have been sanitised for those whose entertainment needs revolve around someone called a Kardashian and who is famous for being famous. I am sure that my nightmares are rooted in my life, which surprisingly was a lot worse than my nightmares - so I reckon I’m getting off lightly. It is worth bearing in mind White Stone, that nightmares have little if anything to do with Satan and less still as a weapon of restitution from Jehovah. They usually stem from organic sources and/or mental distress. I think mine are due pretty much to me simply being somewhat crazy and flippant with disasters in general simply as a coping mechanism. We have to escape from reality a little bit each day, but for me, being retired, I can devote far more time to my missed childhood. Women refer to it as the male midlife crisis.
 

MickHewitt

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It’s true. I deserve it. I knew the wizard of Oz was wicked. The elders had counselled me about it but in my youth during war, I was already hardened to the evils of Hitler and ignored their advice. It was either that, or the fact that I was wearing second hand clothes ravaged from the bomb sites that had been worn by devil worshippers. I had better stop now before I invoke the wrath of Satan even more. (I think I must have grown tolerant to my medication and need a review!).
Listen to this B.....Study article 31: "When praying to Jehovah avoid being overly familiar." (Familiar: Latin root....Family) How hurt our Father must be at that? BTW..glad assylum has granted your online privileges back!
 
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goldie

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Listen to this B.....Study article 31: "When praying to Jehovah avoid being overly familiar." (Familiar: Latin root....Family) How hurt our Father must be at that? BTW..glad assylum has granted your online privileges

Listen to this B.....Study article 31: "When praying to Jehovah avoid being overly familiar." (Familiar: Latin root....Family) How hurt our Father must be at that? BTW..glad assylum has granted your online privileges back!
I think what they are trying to convey is to not be so overly familiar that our prayers sound disrespectful.
 

kirmmy

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You're actually publicly admitting in this forum that Almighty God answers you and communicates to you via dreams?
Although I don't know if Jehovah communicates with us in our dreams today...the future is going to bring some interesting experiences. RK has talked and proven from scripture that the Parousia is still to come and will bring about amazing experiences for the anointed. Jesus, a powerful spiritual being, will manifest himself to them. How's he going to do that? It will be amazing to see how. I'm sure it will be more substantial than dreams though.

Regarding the other sheep, as we head into the most difficult time the world has ever seen, who knows what Jah will do. If a number of cities are nuked will Jehovah allow his 1000s of worshipers in those cities to die? It is possible, but since this will be a very special time, he may warn his people to flee, perhaps in dreams. He's done that before, through dreams and otherwise. Lot met angels that told him to leave Sodom. He also warned the Christians to flee Jerusalem when they saw it surrounded by the Romans. He's given us a broad warning regarding our day but he'll have to get much more granular if his people are to flee from the slaughter zones. The question is, if he does that, how will he communicate it? I can't think of a much better way than a bunch of his followers having the exact same dream at the same time. It sounds nutty, I know, but it is possible.

Exciting times, that's for sure.
 

TheJehuChariot

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Although I don't know if Jehovah communicates with us in our dreams today...the future is going to bring some interesting experiences. RK has talked and proven from scripture that the Parousia is still to come and will bring about amazing experiences for the anointed. Jesus, a powerful spiritual being, will manifest himself to them. How's he going to do that? It will be amazing to see how. I'm sure it will be more substantial than dreams though.

Regarding the other sheep, as we head into the most difficult time the world has ever seen, who knows what Jah will do. If a number of cities are nuked will Jehovah allow his 1000s of worshipers in those cities to die? It is possible, but since this will be a very special time, he may warn his people to flee, perhaps in dreams. He's done that before, through dreams and otherwise. Lot met angels that told him to leave Sodom. He also warned the Christians to flee Jerusalem when they saw it surrounded by the Romans. He's given us a broad warning regarding our day but he'll have to get much more granular if his people are to flee from the slaughter zones. The question is, if he does that, how will he communicate it? I can't think of a much better way than a bunch of his followers having the exact same dream at the same time. It sounds nutty, I know, but it is possible.

Exciting times, that's for sure.
Thank you for your opinion on the matter and what you wonder the "future" may hold. Contrarily, those considerations are not happening now though some may fantasize are. So the subject matters do not correlate.
 

MickHewitt

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I think what they are trying to convey is to not be so overly familiar that our prayers sound disrespectful.
They have a nerve: Tribulation never before seen. We will see just how communication resembles the psalmists emotional plea's when us children are faced with life and death situ? But ok G we will take their hypocritical advice. How do they think we talk to Jehovah isn't the same deference we give the elders? We were humble to them how do they think we talk to our Father.....I think what they are saying G is 'You are not worthy to speak to Jehovah the way we can just keep quiet and send more money!?Grrrrrrr! Or more so, don't get too overly familiar with Jehovah lest you work us out.
 
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TheJehuChariot

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Are we any different from the regular JW's if we treat Robert the way they do the GB?
So sheepishly asked it would seem, whilst disguised as just an innocent provocateur. I don't believe you and I are in the same camp nor have anywhere near the same mindset. So, we are not really "we". Robert is deserving respect as an "older one" whom is a lover of Jehovah and deserves acknowledgement as the host and originator of this forum.
 

SusanB

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Dear White Stone, You have become a polarizing figure. You are not alone. I too can be very polarizing without realizing it. But then our King, Jesus was very polarizing too. I don’t agree with every comment you make, but I respect your efforts to express yourself and I have always found you to be gracious and kind. Thank you.
 

CyndiaS

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Listen to this B.....Study article 31: "When praying to Jehovah avoid being overly familiar." (Familiar: Latin root....Family) How hurt our Father must be at that? BTW..glad assylum has granted your online privileges back!
Reading that in the WT hurt my heart and made me feel so humiliated, as I already try so hard to speak candidly yet, respectfully and from my heart to Jah, already apologizing to Him frequently, whenever I doubt whether I've worded my prayers appropriately. I will apply what I can from this direction. But it made me very angry, as it felt literally like an attempt at "Parental Alienation" on their part. 😡😪😣😡
 

White Stone

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Yeah I think it's #2. Apparently Burt was in love with Judy Garland at one stage so he watched The Wizard of Oz a few too many times. I think it was the flying monkeys and wicked witch that got him in trouble. Oh, and he also loves 1940s/50's horror movies. I think it was "Frankenstein, Swamp Thing and War of the World's" that finally got him disfellowshipped by some British elders. I'm sure the demons have been torturing him for that past bad conduct and sounds like he may have started up watching "Snow White" again.
It’s true. I deserve it. I knew the wizard of Oz was wicked. The elders had counselled me about it but in my youth during war, I was already hardened to the evils of Hitler and ignored their advice. It was either that, or the fact that I was wearing second hand clothes ravaged from the bomb sites that had been worn by devil worshippers. I had better stop now before I invoke the wrath of Satan even more. (I think I must have grown tolerant to my medication and need a review!).
Job and even Jesus Christ was not spared of Satan’s attacked. How much more those who do not heed God’s Word?

1 Corinthians 5:5 “you must hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.”​
I hope those disfellowed persons were repentant and receive God’s loving protection from His Word and spirit.

I do indeed get even demonic attacks in dreams that it even manifested in my sister(in my dream). I confronted her about it, and confessed that she plays games again that features magic and spiritism. She was already baptized and has come back again from her old personality. I reproved her and explained to her how it can become a door for Satan to enter.

We must lead a holy life. But if those who are close to us do not, we are also affected.(Psalms 1:1; 1 Corinthians 5:6; 15:33) That’s why we are told to avoid touching unclean things, because it draws away Jehovah’s loving protection.

Edit: Anxieties can also be a door for Satan to have a hold in our life. But Jehovah our Father is near and we must draw close to Him.

James 4:7 Therefore, subject yourselves to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you.
 
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MickHewitt

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Reading that in the WT hurt my heart and made me feel so humiliated, as I already try so hard to speak candidly yet, respectfully and from my heart to Jah, already apologizing to Him frequently, whenever I doubt whether I've worded my prayers appropriately. I will apply what I can from this direction. But it made me very angry, as it felt literally like an attempt at "Parental Alienation" on their part. 😡😪😣😡
I am a fool for listening to them after saying never again.
 

White Stone

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I believe this effective, well deserved sarcasm flew right over his head like a U2.
Being insulted of course is not a good thing but would let it past behind my back or head. Would let Jehovah God or the Lord Jesus sort it out.
1 Corinthians 4:12,13 “and to toil, working with our own hands. When insulted, we bless; when persecuted, we patiently endure; when slandered, we answer mildly; we have become as the refuse of the world, the offscouring of all things, until now.”

1 Peter 2:23 “When he was being insulted, he did not insult in return. When he was suffering, he did not threaten, but he entrusted himself to the One who judges righteously.”
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Listen to this B.....Study article 31: "When praying to Jehovah avoid being overly familiar." (Familiar: Latin root....Family) How hurt our Father must be at that? BTW..glad assylum has granted your online privileges back!
I really do not understand how watchtower could say ‘familiarity’ in prayer is disrespectful. The term ’familiarity’ in no way should be taken as disrespectful unless it is pointedly so. If prayer is impersonal, of what value is it? What of those who have difficulty expressing themselves for whatever reason? Prayer has always been about about meaningful communication. Jesus sweated blood during intense prayer I understand. Which of us has achieved that degree of personal ‘familiarity’ (understanding in and of the relationship with Jehovah)? I spent years listening to prayer at Kingdom Halls with my toes curled in embarrassment at the speaker listing watchtower essentials of retribution upon us worthless flock. The prayer was more a summation of the study article than the heart. Such sanitised coverage of mock academic repetition of watchtower-approved humility for me was and remains a source of superficial understanding in spiritual terms. The watchtower confuse the term ‘familiar‘ with flippancy and a disrespect to the gravity of the relationship. That is quite a different matter. Well, disrespect is as simple as repeating the same content over again, or as elsewhere noted in the bible, “…the use of many words…is wearisome to the flesh. It is not difficult for me to hold my hands up to that accusation from you guys, but not in prayer.
Although I don't know if Jehovah communicates with us in our dreams today...the future is going to bring some interesting experiences. RK has talked and proven from scripture that the Parousia is still to come and will bring about amazing experiences for the anointed. Jesus, a powerful spiritual being, will manifest himself to them. How's he going to do that? It will be amazing to see how. I'm sure it will be more substantial than dreams though.

Regarding the other sheep, as we head into the most difficult time the world has ever seen, who knows what Jah will do. If a number of cities are nuked will Jehovah allow his 1000s of worshipers in those cities to die? It is possible, but since this will be a very special time, he may warn his people to flee, perhaps in dreams. He's done that before, through dreams and otherwise. Lot met angels that told him to leave Sodom. He also warned the Christians to flee Jerusalem when they saw it surrounded by the Romans. He's given us a broad warning regarding our day but he'll have to get much more granular if his people are to flee from the slaughter zones. The question is, if he does that, how will he communicate it? I can't think of a much better way than a bunch of his followers having the exact same dream at the same time. It sounds nutty, I know, but it is possible.

Exciting times, that's for sure.
I have always been of the opinion, that if Jehovah spoke to us in dreams, (and visions - much the same) we would know about it, and not in any way mistake the event as being “different”. I cannot say the same of dreams per se. The bible is explicit in its terms, and much is written in explanation of dreams and which in themselves, are not clear to what they refer to at that time, let alone the person that had the dream. The point is their explanation, not the experience of having the dream - such as the figure with feet of clay and iron.
 

PJ54

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Listen to this B.....Study article 31: "When praying to Jehovah avoid being overly familiar." (Familiar: Latin root....Family) How hurt our Father must be at that? BTW..glad assylum has granted your online privileges back!
I really do not understand how watchtower could say ‘familiarity’ in prayer is disrespectful. The term ’familiarity’ in no way should be taken as disrespectful unless it is pointedly so. If prayer is impersonal, of what value is it? What of those who have difficulty expressing themselves for whatever reason? Prayer has always been about about meaningful communication. Jesus sweated blood during intense prayer I understand. Which of us has achieved that degree of personal ‘familiarity’ (understanding in and of the relationship with Jehovah)? I spent years listening to prayer at Kingdom Halls with my toes curled in embarrassment at the speaker listing watchtower essentials of retribution upon us worthless flock. The prayer was more a summation of the study article than the heart. Such sanitised coverage of mock academic repetition of watchtower-approved humility for me was and remains a source of superficial understanding in spiritual terms. The watchtower confuse the term ‘familiar‘ with flippancy and a disrespect to the gravity of the relationship. That is quite a different matter. Well, disrespect is as simple as repeating the same content over again, or as elsewhere noted in the bible, “…the use of many words…is wearisome to the flesh. It is not difficult for me to hold my hands up to that accusation from you guys, but not in prayer.
I get the impression that it's to make a distinction between the great crowd & the anointed as if the the other sheep could never have a truly close connection with God. Perhaps, the GB is trying to elevate itself even higher.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I agree with your assessment Goldie. Example of a prayer of being too familiar: "Yo Dad, what's shakin? How's life in heaven today? Good morning from earth and hope you have a great day. Hi to your son!" So absurd LOL LOL LOL
I think the American interpretation of familiarity is quite different from the English sense of the word where one can be accused of such simply by addressing another by their first name. In the Heat of the Night … “What they call you, boy?” “They call me Mr Tibbs.”
 
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